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Fair enough.

crows2ravens:
It won't change your point of view since you've made up my mind already. It's not history or origins that'd make you change it, but the Holy Ghost himself when He ministers to you.

Debates are not always about changing the other person's POV

Just as you have your reasons, I have mine.

But you spoke about you researching the true origins of Christianity and I asking you to share with me the results of this research.

Is that too much to ask?

crows2ravens:
Tell me what you know and I'll be glad to clear your misinformation.

What I know doesn't matter.

Personally, I am not a fan of any religion.

Christianity today and majority of religion, has become too literal, materialistic and is a tool for mass mind control.

I am an ardent student of ancient history - both religious and secular.

You talked about doing your research about the origins of Christianity and other religions.

I would like to hear from you about the true origins of Christianity.

Is that fine?

crows2ravens:
Take time to understand the origins and depths of those religions before you condemn.
I am a Christian today, but I also studied the principles of other religions. And I chose the way of light, and having experienced the power of the Holy Ghost personally, I give glory to God. Jesus is Lord.

Have you taken the time to research the true origins of your religion as a Christian?

If yes, can you give me a run down of how the Christianity you practice today was started?

I am waiting.

Thanks.

Dear OP

I admire your curiosity.

You hit the nail on the head.

Congratulations on your escape from Religion.

MaxInDHouse:
But both of you don't believe that Jesus of Nazareth is a real historical figure,

But till today, you still haven't shown me undeniable proof that Jesus was a real historical figure and not just a myth.

both of you hate just one religion out of thousands, both of you were ex-JWs, both of you only pick interest in topics that's against JWs, both of you opened a thread and collaborated to drop hundreds of post only to malign just one single religious group!
Wa lie ta lie small fat lie, you're saying the truth now!

So is this the evidence you have to show that Courz and Oteneaaron are one and the same person?

No offense, but you really do think like a three year old child.

Janosky:
Oga, look for other excuses to post.
You know the evidences has exposed you.

What "evidences"?

You can't prove it.

Can you?

If you can't, STOP IT.

Courz and Oteneaaron are not one and the same person.

So many "legal drugs" are killing us.

Yet they still criticize innocent Mary Jane.

Legalize it!!

Congrats to the JWs

No one deserves to be imprisoned because their religion.

Absolutely No One.

Janosky:

I challenge this Mumu Courz Oteneaaron to show Nairaland from his Bible the name of any believer baptized " in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit."

Furthermore,I challenge Courz to show the Bible verses and chapter

Oga where is your proof to show that Courz and Oteneaaron are one and the same person?

Impressive.

I need to go and visit the dome to see it for myself.

Congrats to Dunnamis for building the world's largest auditorium.

I hope they get to win a guiness world record for this.

MaxInDHouse:
I once told you something about updates but it seems you don't reason from both sides as i advised you here.
First of all you said:



But you forgot to add ancient warfare where the soldiers don't spare anyone. JEHOVAH acted in line with the norms of those people in ancient times. According to their own thinking back then (the strongest God commands the best army) so after hearing of the way JEHOVAH dealt with Egypt (the then most powerful nation) do they need anyone to tell them they must evacuate the premises this God is eyeing? Logically the answer is capital "NO"
So JEHOVAH is justified!

You can't eat your cake and have it.

This doesn't justify the killing of MILLIONS of women and children.

But you forgot to add that the MODERN DAY WORSHIPERS of this God has been commanded by His Son not to engage in WARS! Which means there has been updates which is according to circumstances surrounding the issue on ground.
The God who acted in line with the thinking of those in ancient times has ordered His own worshipers today to make sure that weapons and wars are no longer mentioned in their midst! Isaiah 2:2-4 compare to Psalms 46:9

You can't eat your cake and have it.

Unless the God you worship is Bipolar, this doesn't justify killing MILLIONS of innocent women and children.

So instead of expecting me (Maximus with all my experience with the military intelligence) to go and start reading the nonsense and ingredients in those useless, worthless and hopeless tablets why not present the worshipers (Witnesses) of those dead Gods {Psalms 115:4-8} and let's compare them to MODERN DAY WITNESSES of JEHOVAH! Isaiah 43:10-12

May you have PEACE! Isaiah 54:17

For a man who claims to have military intelligence, your way of reasoning is like a three year old child who closes his/her eyes and imagines that since they can't see anyone with their eyes closed, then nobody can see them too.

You are worshiping a Blood Thirsty Monster who thrives in WAR and DESTRUCTION.

MaxInDHouse:
You only need to reason from both sides!

I am surprised!

MaxInDHouse talking about reasoning from both sides??

I'll be damned!

To you those people are INNOCENT but from the case presented by the God who destroyed them they are all evildoers including you and myself! Romans 6:23

This doesn't justify killing Children and Women.

Even today in modern warfare, when you kill Children and Women, you have committed a war crime.

GENOCIDE is a war crime.

From His own explanation mankind became infected with a self-destructive virus right after the fall of Adam and Eve, so if He (God) never intervened within less than one thousand years mankind will wipe out their own race completely due to cravings for power and dominance. Remember the book says Satan told Eve:

“You certainly will not die. For God knows that in the very day you eat from it, your eyes will be opened and you will be like God, knowing good and bad.” Genesis 3:4-5

That is why you need to study ancient history and expand your world view.

Now, this is where you need to use your reasoning from both sides.

Your one sided information about what really went down in Eden is found in the Bible.

Go and study the cuneiform stone tablets from ancient Sumeria in Mesopotamia and you will learn that the true story of "the garden of Eden"

Go and study the Enuma Elish, the Atrahasis, the Legend of Itanna and the Epic of Gilgamesh to "reason from both sides"

Your Bible is only telling you a watered down version of this Epic.

This still does not justify killing MILLIONS of Women and Children.

Your God thrives on WAR and DESTRUCTION.

If he were all-powerful and omnipotent, why couldn't he simply find another way to prove his point?

Why must killing MILLIONS of Children and Women be the only way?

Note the highlighted in red, most humans both male and female will develop this desire to dominate others which will lead to killings of one another in mass. Revelations 6:3-4
We don't need to go far Russia and Ukraine is doing that right now.

So when God intervene to destroy some part so as to reserve some for mankind to continue surviving until His Son (Messiah) arrives then it is justified. But you can present a better solution for mankind to continue living on this planet than what He did after seeing the reality of what is on ground!

This still doesn't justify killing MILLIONS of Women and Children.

It's like saying Boko Haram is justified for killing a few people so as to preserve some people to worship Allah in peace.

You see the flaw in that Logic?

The All Powerful God doesn't need to destroy anyone to preserve peace.

A simple flick of his fingers and this issue could have been solved without any blood shed.

In the year 2011 during the tenor of President Goodluck Jonathan Boko Haram began making some moves by capturing the Chibok girls and keeping them hostage. A top military intelligence officer adviced him to send the army into Sambiza forest and destroy both the terrorist and the girls, Jonathan objected, the girls were never rescued and ever since then terrorist groups has been increasing in Nigeria till today. But imagine if Jonathan has given that order do you think another terrorist group will think of assembling themselves anywhere close to Nigeria in the next 20 years?

Interesting analogy.

So it would have been better if Goodluck has sent his Zombie Soldiers to kill EVERYONE - the terrorists and the innocent girls.

What kind of sick mentality do you have?

If your God is all powerful as you proclaim, why must BLOODSHED be the only way?

Well JEHOVAH is the most intelligent military personnel in the entire universe, for PEACE to be stabilized the RIGHT ACTION must be taken in time, that's why He is rightly called JEHOVAH of ARMIES! Isaiah 9:7

Exactly my point.

Your God Jehovah, is also known from ancient Sumeria as ENLIL.

And when you reason it from both sides by studying other ancient text like the Enuma Elish and the Atrahasis, the evidence shows that your Jehovah/ENLIL, is blood thirsty and thrives in WAR and DESTRUCTION.

If he were really the Infinite Mind behind the whole cosmos, and if he were really all powerful and omnipotent, killing MILLIONS of Women, Men and Children would NEVER be an option.

My question is this -

Why are you worshiping a God who only believes in WAR and DESTRUCTION?

With this your moral stance, can you confidently say that you are against the ideology of ISWAP, ISIS AND BOKO HARAM?

WFMarket:
I Need to Meet Christ. In Person.

It is actually not too much to ask.

Go and eat some magic mushrooms or go smoke some DMT flowers and I assure you that you will have a cosmic/spiritual experience and you will most definitely see an apparition which you might call Jesus Christ.

The problem here is that there is a serious plot twist.

Since there is no archeological proof that the Jesus of the Bible really existed, neither is there any actual drawing or picture of how he really looked like, the apparition you might see during your cosmic experience might claim to be Jesus, but how can you know when there is no actual picture of how he really looked like?

Take my advice, get some magic mushrooms or smoke some DMT and you will be fine.

FACT - DMT aka Dimethyltryptamine, is naturally secreted in every human being by our PINNEAL GLANDS.

MaxInDHouse:
Well it's better to destroy them than leaving them to suffer when their evil parents has been killed and nobody to take care of them after all they will still grow old and die!

Wow!

You are justifying the killing of innocent children!!!

So let me get this clear.

Are you saying that your God, who is supposed to be the creator of the entire cosmos is guilty of GENOCIDE?

He killed innocent Children, Women, and Men in their MILLIONS.

What a loving God!

As defined by my English dictionary:

GENOCIDE - The systematic killing of substantial numbers of people on the basis of their ethnicity, religion, political beliefs, social status, or other particularities.

MaxInDHouse:
Good question!
The Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses and the perfect similarities with Jesus of Nazareth!

[1] They render selfless services so there's no personal possessions anywhere {Matt 8:20} everything they had is just their brothers and sisters in the faith! Matt 12:46-50

Are you sure about this?

Where is the undeniable proof to show?

[2] They never venture into politics nor support any politician! John 6:15

But Courz showed proof where your leaders were shown sponsoring political candidate(s) in the United States.

During world war 2, JF Rutherford sent a letter to Adolf Hitler supporting his stance against the Jews, is that not politics too?

Proof - https://www.nairaland.com/1815757/watchtower-scandal-rutherfords-letter-hitler

[3] They've erased vengeance from the hearts of millions across the globe who are following them! Matt 5:43-48

But they accept grants from HM Riley every year in millions of dollars, which we found out was gotten from investment in weapons of mass destruction.

Is that not a double standard?

[4] They've diverted all the energy, resources and time of millions across the globe into the production of food and information materials! Matt 28:19-20 compare to Isaiah 2:2-4

Production of food?

Where is the undeniable proof for that?

Information materials?

Then why have they asked you and your members to destroy your older "information materials"?

What happens to all the money spent producing them and the millions of hours spent distributing them?

See attached images for proof.

[5] They have turned millions across the globe into lifetime preachers and teachers who have become less or not materialistic at all! Matt 6:24-30

I will agree to disagree.

But the Catholic church has done this too for many centuries, sending missionaries all over the world.

You wouldn't be a "Christian" today if the Catholic church hadn't send missionaries to Africa centuries ago.

[6] They united all their followers throughout the world so that when others are killing their fellow believers in other countries due to politics and racism JWs are looking for ways to save their own members (who are citizens of the enemy nation) Luke 10:29-37

But the Catholic church too is doing this.

Just last Sunday, over 50 Catholics in Owo were killed in cold blood for their Christian faith.

Leah Shabiru a Christian is still in boko harm's custody.

So what makes yours special?

[7] They have input all what Jesus commanded in the head of millions across the globe to the extent that all of them now have the same line of thought globally! John 17:20-22

The same thing with Scientology, Mormons, Jesuits, Catholics, etc

There's no religion that has done one tenth of all these! Matthew 5:14-16; 7:16-18

I beg to differ.

See above.

Psalms 146:4 is telling you not to put your trust in human rulers (politicians) but it's just unfortunate that billions are doing that today as you give your fingerprint (votes) in support of those who can't do anything to save you in this wicked system of things!

I don't agree with you.

The Bible clearly states -

Psalms 146:3 Do not put your trust in princes, in human beings, who cannot save.

Psalms 146:4 When their spirit departs, they return to the ground; on that very day their plans come to nothing.

It is not talking about Politicians alone.

It says HUMAN BEINGS.

Whether they are your Governing Body, Elders, Circuit Overseers, Pastors, Bishops, Imam or even the Pope, they are all HUMAN BEINGS.

We are not supposed to put our wholehearted trust in any of them.

Because they can die, just like you and I.

MaxInDHouse:
Well the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses have proved to be exactly like Jesus in all their ways..

Can you show us undeniable proof on how your Governing Body have proved to be "exactly like Jesus" in "all their ways"?

that's why millions of people globally trusted them wholeheartedly and they have gathered us to do everything Jesus said in the Bible.

But the Bible which you claim to follow by the letter clearly states at Psalm 146 -

Verse 3 - Do not put your trust in princes, in human beings, who cannot save.

Verse 4 - When their spirit departs, they return to the ground; on that very day their plans come to nothing.

So why are you MaxInDHouse and other JWs putting your wholehearted trust in human beings like you?

Or are the members of your Governing Body not mere human beings like you?

OK.

Next.

MaxInDHouse:
Keep deceiving yourself!

You should take your own advice.

Stop been politically correct and call a spade a spade.

Why must people innocent die in this sick game you politicians are playing?

Why?

Why??

MaxInDHouse:
Bwahahaha!
Oteneaaron wants to hide his identity in a public forum!

Why not tell your friend what you think or know about JEHOVAH?

MaxInDHouse what is your problem?

Where is your proof that Courz and myself are the one and the same?

Show your proof or else keep quiet.

Till today because of your COWARDICE, you have refused to drop your real name and the name of your congregation.

Your body of Elders and Circuit Overseer need to see how you are shamelessly disobeying a simple order from the Governing Body.

You know very well that when they see proof of your antics online, you will either get reproved or lose your ministerial servant position.

And if you're not careful, they might even disfellowship you for the disgrace you have brought upon the organization.

Shame on you.

SisterFire:
... Are you gensteejay?
U call me a liar because I told u only truth about Jesus in d bible is
(1) his reincarnation
(2) his human mother Mary
,

What other things do u know I lie at ? Tell me so that I shall take up d title Queen of lies


Jehovah is a reptilian and also enlil so funny
That's what u guys read and call me liar

You got that right.

Jehovah = ENLIL = Yaldaboth = Zeus = Jupiter

Courz:
Everybody is Oteneaaron. Even a Christian still showing you Bible verses and pointing fingers at you against your Blasphemy against Jesus is Oteneaaron. Make use of your brain for once! Idiot!

Your doctrine of 1914 goes against what Jesus and Apostle Paul said about the coming of Jesus. You are also saying that Jesus and Apostle Paul know absolutely nothing of what they are talking about! Prove to me from the Bible that 1914 is indisputable! Look at the above verses and tell me where 1914 is stated there.

MaxInDHouse cannot honestly answer any of your questions without shooting himself in the foot.

He has no biblical proof for their 1914 doctrine.

MaxInDHouse is suffering from a very bad case of Cognitive Dissonance.

MaxInDHouse:
Honest hearted and sincere individuals know i have answered you so leave it the way it is my friend, those who are searching for the truth will surely read all these and benefits from it!

But you didn't answer ANY of his questions.

He asked you to show PROOF from the Bible that 1914 was Jesus came back invisibly to earth.

How difficult is that?

Dear OP

I have a question...

Jehovah's Witnesses like MaxInDHouse, Cornelboy and Janosky believe that these prophecies in Daniel are actually speaking about them and their organization.

They call themselves "Spiritual Isreal", and even got their doctrine of 1914 from Daniels Prophecy.

So how do you explain this your warning to them?

I would like to know.

Thanks.

I heard about this good news last month.

Something is seriously wrong with the JW organization.

Because for a cult that calls itself "God's Organization", winning this court case should have been a breeze.

Their lies and hypocrisy is clear for blind eyes to see.

Big congrats to Mr McFree.

MaxInDHouse:
People can forge any document to lay any claim but nobody can forge humans to carry weapons against their fellowman.
So present the evidence that JWs go to war to kill people, documents aren't valid now because we know how people do forge it to blackmail others.
Let's see JWs who are going to kill their fellowman at war apart from former soldiers like myself who have been BRAINWASHED to vow never to raise weapons against anyone again!

But you don't have to carry a weapon to show that you support war.

Your organization receives millions of dollars annually as grants from HM Riley Trust Fund, and the IRS has shown that the same HM Riley trust has shares in companies that produce weapons of mass destruction, is that not the same as supporting war?

To be completely different, your organization should have NOTHING to do with any money that comes from war bonds, or else, it means you are supporting war too.

MaxInDHouse:
We make peace with our neighbours {John 14:26-27} while they incite their neighbours to rage.
We preach against worldly governments while they claim they can practice politics better than other religions.
So when we are friendly with our neighbours but have issues with worldly authorities trying to recruit you as soldiers to die for them, the authorities on the other hand are the ones who do come after us because if everyone becomes Jehovah's Witnesses they won't have zombies fighting for their glory!

Just to be clear, so because they involve themselves in politics and war this means they are "misinformed churchgoers" right?

But there is evidence to show that your organization is also involved in politics and war --

1. Your organization was registered as an NGO of the United Nations for 10 solid years - is this not tantamount to involving in politics?

2. Your organization is accepting grants from the HM Riley Trust Fund, and the HM Riley trust fund has investments in companies that produce weapons of mass destruction - is that not tantamount to being involved in war too?

So what makes you different from these "uninformed churchgoers?"

MaxInDHouse:
So have you ever heard of Jehovah's Witnesses having issues with Muslims?
You just chuk mouth for what you don't understand.
Go and find out if members of JWs ever had issues with Muslims. Because we follow exactly what Jesus commanded us to do so it's only politically oriented churchgoers claiming Christians that's often trying to attack JWs but as for Muslims they don't even have any issue with us.
WHY?
We take permission before speaking to anyone unlike the misinformed Churchgoers who makes noise in the streets, corners and public buses. Matthew 12:19
So a Muslim will discuss with us and even entertain us because we present ourselves as their well meaning neighbours!

Even the most intelligent among the Muslims only try to avoid us but they can't call a mob action against us because we don't go about spewing gibberish publicly, we only discuss with those who grant us a audience!

That is not what I was talking about.

You said that "uniformed Churchgoers" only follow what their Pastors tell them.

But just like them, you too only follow what your Governing Body tells you.

So what makes you different from them when you both follow ONLY what your religious leaders tell you to do?

MaxInDHouse:
Sadly the people you call "CHRISTIANS" are just misinformed churchgoers who only follow what their greedy political ambitious leaders called "pastors" tells them.

But just like these "misinformed Churchgoers" who only follow what their greedy pastors tell them, you are also guilty of the same thing.

Just like them, you also follow only what your greedy political ambitious leaders called "the Governing Body" tells you to do.

You and them are more alike than you think.

To understand the present and predict the future, we must first study the past.

RevDesm0ndJuju:
It will be 30ys since they sold MKO Abiola...

Karma may be slow but she sure knows how to make a grand entrance .

Tinubu's insatiable greed is pushing him to his Karma.

The symbolism and stars are all aligned for a major payback from the grave.

T I A

This Is Africa .

Never forget that.

Abiola did not die as a common man. He held a cursed position but like Cain, any who betrays him like the way Afonja betrayed his King and people will surely reap 70 folds.

Tinubu is Afonja and he will suffer a fate more disgraceful and dishonorable than that which Afonja suffered when he was stripped naked , flogged and set on fire before his fellow illoron traitors by the Fulani mercenaries he had aligned with.

Tinubu will not get the ticket under APC but that won't stop him trying his luck under the SDP.

There will not be a transition next year. An Okoro will rise to dispute Amaechi winning the rigged elections. Tinubu will align with the Okoro Judas and follow the demand for a transitional govt after a deliberate constitutional crisis is instigated.

The transitional govt will be sworn in for a period of 6mths with a mandate to conduct fresh elections.

It is from this point that transition will turn to permanent civilian dictatorship .

The okoros will be happy as they will finally get their much coveted VP ass licking position to a northern civilian dictator in the form of El Rufai and Umahi .

Aregberascal will be recycled in this illegal govt .

Tinubu will be run underground , arrested on trumped up charges of incitement after a major riot sweeps the SW.

Rabbi Kanustein will be released and oil wells in adjourning Rivers , Delta, Kogi and Akwa Ibom ceded to placate the oil gloating igbos.

Davos has picked El Rufai as your future dictator.

That short man devil is in league with the luciferian Judases at WEF .

At the end, Tinubu will die in a wretched secret navy ship anchored off the coast of Bonny.

Sounds like you have a time machine.

Rabbi Kanustein is Nnamdi Kanu..

So El Rufai is in league with the WEF agenda?

Interesting.