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Patdgreat001:
A brief background

We both live and study in the United States. She's American. Originally from somewhere in East Africa, while I'm from Nigeria. Despite she being older by a year, her beauty, elegance, and classy looks shroud her age, giving her a youthful appearance. More importantly, she's an amazing lady, sweet but inconsistently submissive. It's worth mentioning that we were in a relationship for three months before this intriguing incident took place. That being said, I need your thoughts and contribution to the following narrative.

Incident 1

The weather had been gloomy and cloudy for days, followed by heavy rainfall that persisted. Unfortunately, my girlfriend had the misfortune of getting drenched on one of those rainy days. Normally, such an experience would be fun, reminiscent of our carefree childhood days when we would willingly dance and play football in the rain. However, some of us with strict parents often get scolded, warning us about the potential risk of falling sick due to such "careless" acts.

Oh well! My girlfriend called, with rather an usual low tone voice, asking if I could give her ride to the school clinic. I inquired, she mentioned the rain stuff and her body running temperature. She booked an appointment, picked her up and straight to the clinic. Usually, once an appointment is booked, you arrive at least 15 minutes prior to get checked in. We followed the procedure and keenly waited for the doctor’s call. Hypothetically speaking, we arrived at 1:45 p.m. for a 2 p.m. appointment. However, as time went on, 30 minutes passed, and still no call, no show! I discreetly signaled her to speak with the assistant in case we had been forgotten or there was some sort of mix-up. The nurse assured us that the doctor was on the way. But as 3:30 p.m. approached, there was still no sign of the doctor. Spontaneously, I sprang up, headed towards the nurse's desk, and politely requested her to call the doctor, inquiring whether the appointment needed to be rescheduled or if there was an alternative arrangement.

The nurse asked, "sir, may I have the patient's name and school ID number?"

I immediately gestured to my visibly distressed girlfriend, who was sitting in the patient/visitors corner, to come forward and provide her information. She obliged, and the nurse made the call. In less than a minute or two, the doctor appeared, and they went straight into the office for the check-up. The examination was completed, and the doctor recommended the necessary medication. As we headed to the pharmacy, I noticed a change in her countenance. However, this time, she appeared more angry than sick.

To be continued....

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MrBrownJay1:
the dude is playing the lottery with his dikc.... just fukcing any girl he meet unprotected. even if he aint the baby, its obvious he fukcs them all raw. thats just a coochie away from catching shiiit much more deadly that just a pregnancy!

True.

Na real wa.

I can't imagine having children all over the place and not being there to bond and mould them into decent human beings.

I feel it's a really selfish way of living...but to each his own

Raylight2:
I just know they don't serve the same God. There's only one way to the true God and that is Jesus. And these white garment people don't know who Jesus is. So they're not of the same house.

Their Church is named " Celestial Church of Christ" .
They pray to Jesus, they worship Jesus, they love Jesus, they try to model his behaviour ...yet to you they don't who he is.

It's crazy that with the number of Christains in this country, it is one of the most corrupt countries in the world and its women are one of those with the highest number of fornication world wide.

Dey there dey decieve yourself

Crysallis:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NlwTq4x29rI

Couple of days ago, Pastor David Ibiyeomie of salvation ministries trended after saying he hates the celestial church of Christ, saying that they can make a non drinker become one.

Well, a celestial prophet has now told pastor David Ibiyeomi that he has 14 Days to Apologize or face visit from his God.

Watch and share your thoughts.

Previous thread https://www.nairaland.com/7736286/why-hate-white-garment-churches

I knew this will eventually happen.

Most prophets by nature are "militant" .
Some are calm and can turn the other cheek to insults of the type from Ibiyomie.

Some will use their authority to declare what they want to happen and God will honor their words.

Just like the prophet that said declared against the men the King sent to bring him in. " if i am a man of God, yall should go blind"...and it happened as he said

Or in another incident that the prophet cursed the kids who were abusing him for his bald head.

Ibiyomie really pass him boundary by attacking prophets in particular.

Some won't have that patience to comot eye for him matter.

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daddytime:
He got a well-detailed and eloquently submitted rejoinder from a Cele's head.

The man gave a very beautiful speech of reprimand and warning to all them PFN heads and members in what I'd call the most impeccable English I have heard a Nigerian church head speak in, warning them all to remember that the Celestial Church of Christ has a book on all of them and their shenanigans which will be exposed in due time if they failed to refrain from abusing the church.

The rebuttal and how it was delivered made me want to find the Priest's branch of the church to start attending and hear him speak.

It's on tiktok.

Send me a link.

I'm also thinking of coming down to Nigeria this week and do a one hour sermon to strengthen my brethren on this Demonic bullshit that dubious God of men like to spit.

It's just that i am an incredibly private person and hate to be on the media at all.

If not I for don go o line and dissect Celestial Church of Christ from A-Z for the open minded Christians who want to learn about us.

Maysdevices:
Never take the Bible literally. I would like you to read with an open mind. I for one have never mocked the Celestial Church of Christ or any church who claims to worship Jesus because I know God reveals Himself to His people in different ways. It is a personal race to the core. I received the gift of tongues without the influence of any pastor and trust me when I say it is a gift from the Holy Spirit. However, not everyone would receive that gift or connect to God that way and it doesn’t make you any less Christian.

You are both Christian, stop letting the devil laugh by arguing amongst yourselves about who is right or wrong. Everyone goes to God for different reasons and through different methods and I have not seen one thing unbiblical in what the Celestial Church or Christ does. Not all Pentecostal worshippers are condemners, don’t let the devil use you to accuse your brother.

Be the bigger person. Onto my explanation.



The first mention of tongues in the New Testament is a statement by Jesus found in Mark 16:17:

“And these signs will follow those who believe: In My name they will cast out demons; they will speak with new tongues.” (Mark 16:17 NIV)

All the major Bible translations translate this word as ‘new.’ Jesus did not say, “Those who follow me will speak in earthly languages that are unknown to them.” Instead, He said we would speak in ‘new’ languages.

Secondly, this argument about speaking known foreign languages most often stems from the account at Pentecost. However, to my knowledge, there is no verse in the Bible which says that the disciples spoke in earthly languages. Here is what the Bible actually says:

“When they heard this sound, a crowd came together in bewilderment, because each one heard their own language being spoken.” (Acts 2:6 NIV)

“Then how is it that each of us hears them in our native language?” (Acts 2:8 NIV)

A careful reading of the account at Pentecost reveals that many people in the crowd were able to ‘hear’ in their own language. The Bible never says that the disciples were speaking in the languages of those people. And in fact, there is evidence to the contrary given in verse 13:

“Some, however, made fun of them and said, ‘They have had too much wine.’” (Acts 2:13 NIV)

Ask yourself this question: Why would anyone mock someone and accuse them of being drunk, just for speaking a foreign language? Does that make any sense at all?

I would like to humbly submit for your consideration the following scenario. The Holy Spirit fell on the disciples at Pentecost. They immediately began speaking in tongues, and the manifestation of that looked and sounded exactly the same as it does today. Some in the crowd were given a miraculous sign in that they were able to ‘hear’ in their own language.

However, others only heard what sounded to them like babble. Nonsense. Gibberish. Therefore, they responded by mocking the disciples, attacking their character, and making slanderous accusations against them.

Yet Peter patiently and lovingly explained to them that what they were witnessing was actually an outpouring of the Holy Spirit.

Some received his message, and others did not.

“Those who accepted his message were baptized, and about three thousand were added to their number that day.” (Acts 2:41 NIV)

Let’s move beyond Pentecost and see what else the Bible can reveal to us about this topic.

“For anyone who speaks in a tongue does not speak to people but to God. Indeed, no one understands them; they utter mysteries by the Spirit.” (1 Corinthians 14:2 NIV)

This Scripture completely refutes the idea that tongues can only refer to the speaking of known, earthly languages. This says that “no one” understands the tongue speaker, and that they “utter mysteries.” If literally “no one” understands them, then they aren’t speaking an earthly language.


Paul clearly describes a private, devotional use of tongues:

“Anyone who speaks in a tongue edifies themselves, but the one who prophesies edifies the church.” (1 Corinthians 14:4 NIV)

Is that passage talking about speaking in an identifiable earthly language so that other human beings will see a miraculous sign? No, it is not. Paul is clearly speaking about a spiritual gift that allows a person to communicate with God directly through the spirit, bypassing their own understanding, and building themselves up spiritually in the process:

“Otherwise when you are praising God in the Spirit, how can someone else, who is now put in the position of an inquirer, say ‘Amen’ to your thanksgiving, since they do not know what you are saying? You are giving thanks well enough, but no one else is edified.

I thank God that I speak in tongues more than all of you. But in the church I would rather speak five intelligible words to instruct others than ten thousand words in a tongue.” (1 Corinthians 14:16-19 NIV)

Here, Paul refers to speaking in a tongue as “praising God in the Spirit” and even clearly states that when this happens, no one else knows what is being said. In fact, verse 5 of that same chapter makes clear that a second spiritual gift is required in order to know what is being spoken.

See let us not look for loop holes to back what we do, that we know may not be right.

In Biblical interpretation there is something called "Contextual Criticism".

Which simply means you factor the context that an event happened to better understand the meanings of that event.

On that day of Pentecost, not only Jews were gathered. There were a lot of foreigners there in Jerusalem.

After the Holy Spirit descended on the Apostles and they received the gift of speaking in strange tounges, it was the Jews that did not understand the foreign languages that were making fun of them, until the various foreigners said that the seeming blabbing of the Apostles were actually making plenty of sense to them because they were there own native languages.

That is simply what happened.

The gift of speaking in tounges is the divine ability for a Christian when under the influence of the Holy spirit to begin to speak foreign languages that he did not learn as a child or as an adult.

When he is not in spirit, he can't speak those languages and when he is in Spirit, he may not even understand what he is saying himself because the language is equally strange to him unless he has the gift of interpretation.

One of the surest way to access the Spirit realm is prayer.Another sure way is music..especially music that praises God.

Now the world this guys live in, there was no internet and access to knowledge that we have now.

This modern era, nearly if not all languages known to man is known and can be translated.

You speak mysteries because it is not your head or mind talking, it is the Holy Spirit that has taken over and revealing deep truths, praying for you or others or praising himself through your mouth to decree things into existence.

I have observed well, i have not seen any Pentecostal pastor or associate interprete anything they say. I may be wrong but i strongly believe that they can't because it is man made cut and paste of orishirishi.

I can do skabosh and skaboosh perfectly if you give me microphone. That was the first thing they taught us on my first day at Household of God where Pastor Chris Okotie is the Pastor at Oregun in 1998.

Now if someone said there could be a angelic language not spoken my man, then I might listen and want to learn more.

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Didijiji:
we know them and need them to stop the hypocritical insults . An RCCG pastors wife just started attending white garment church recently. She was a member before an RCCG pastor married her. She had to come back when the revelation and prophecies even from her husbands church was too much in her to go back and complete God’s assignment she left

The reality if life us that people are confounded with problems that are beyond mere human comprehension, money and connections can solve.

They know that many of the Pentecostal pastors are just all mouth and no power. Mere motivational speakers. And so they go to where they know and have seen or heard about the real power of God in action...White Garment Churches generally and Celestial Church of Christ is the most popular.

So they come and to the glory of God, they receive healing and solutions to their various problems.

So what will they Pentecostal Pastors do knowing that they are mere motivational speakers....they have to paint white garment churches as demonic...or else they will go out of business.

And they know that a lot of their members are too lazy to search the scriptures themselves so they keep them on the leash of fear. It is a very powerful weapon.

You see those two that have been blabbing since two days ago. Did you observe that they have no iota of biblical evidence to back all the crap they have been vomiting since.

When you show them an example from the Bible, they say no it is not so. God was not talking to you.

Yet they claim that something that God commanded an individual to do in the Bible is now demonic. How they can never say because they are either very dense persons or deliberately ignoring or falsifying the truth.

My joy is that we have given them food for thought and involuntarily their minds will be expanded beyond its present narrow confines.

I was born in the Celestian Church of Christ, I was raised as a member of the Celestial Church of Christ, I try to live my life to the glory of Jesus Christ and God willing I will be buried as a member of the Celestial Church of Christ.

The blabbing of a hate filled Christians have zero effect on me.

Didijiji:
Amen bro

We will not quit o. What ever is stated here is for people to come and see and know. I think it’s high time we behaved like them smallllllll. Since they can come out to openly insult the white garment churches, let’s be ready to respond to them in the love that Jesus Christ represents

I stopped bothering about them many many tears ago around 2010, when I used to go to church on my off days to help write messages by the prophets on my off days on either Tuesday or Thursday when we do spiritual consultation for the general public.

I used to see how the Pastors that would come would nod their head sheepishly when the Spiritbof God through the prophet tells him that " You are the Pastor of a Church, Yes or No.".

Many many of their Pastors and members and even Muslims come to the Celestial Church of Christ every blessed week to come and hear from God and pray to receive solutions to their problems.

Some after receiving solutions will stay and become new members. Some will go back and still slander the church...those are the ungrateful ones. They are always 9 out of 10.

Didijiji:
Sacrifice to who abeg? 😂😂😂

Na sea I Dey worship ni?

Except na baptism be sacrifice. You people can even tag innocent baptism sacrifice as long as na white garment do am and not Pentecostal

anything to make you guys feel good and righteous 😊😊

Abeg oooo

Brother make we leave these people alone. They are a waste of time and space. All that I typed here in trying to explain things are even not for them. It is for a wider audience as anyone can pick up this thread and read with an open mind.

You see those two...they can never see beyond their nose. So no need to dey follow dem drag anything. They are surprised that we are confidently rebutting their false claims and have mo meaningful response other than to continue to bark "Celestial is demonic".

I don't know if you are a Celestian or not but if you are, the coming years will be interesting. That word of God wey dem dey talk sey we no sabi, we will take over the air waves soon with the undiluted word of God from the throne of God. Spiritually blind eyes will be opened and bondages will be broken in the name of Jesus.

God is quietly raising an army of Celestial Evangelists and Preachers as a lot of people are longing for the real message of God and not the motivational corporate speeches that these folks like to give because they lack power to turn people to righteous living.

Stay blessed and may the Spirit of Jesus Christ continue to strengthen you.

Make we go do better thing with our time

Anas09:
Oga all this long talk wld have just ended if you had answered the question 'What connection does Jesus Christ of Nazareth doing inside the sea? What are you people looking for inside water?

Jesus walked on the sea? Have you forgotten.
What was he looking for in the sea? Mathew 14:22 - 36

Another incident Jesus was calmly sleeping in a boat while on the sea during a storm. What was he looking for there? Luke 8:22–25

He also commanded the disciples to cast their net into the sea to catch fish...what was he looking for on the sea shore? John 21:1-6; 9-13

You still have not explained why a bird would appear at Jesus baptism and a voice will say this is my beloved son in whom I am well pleased. Na the bird give Jesus power like Oschoffa?

I see you have your so called claim to open mindedness is a charade. I'll leave you to you.

I am sure you are surprised to see a Celestian given you reasonable facts from the Bible and you have nothing to say in response.

I'll leave you to you and remind you once again that your thoughts , opinions and hatred towards Celestial Church of Christ are inconsequential in the grand scheme of things.

We could tinue to grow in numbers at an " alarming rate" in spite of the decades of slander and hate your kind have shown towards us.

It's even beautiful to see that we have a generation of celestians that understand the scriptural basis of their faith and practices, are so in love in with Jehovah Almighty, freely express their love for Jesus Christ and are doing very well in various human endeavors

You are free to continue to peddle falsehood and slander. I pray you and your kind should never stop.

People have come to realise that a whole bunch of pentecostal churches are all talk, manipulations, no power and are merely glorified business centers and motivational speakers. Therefor they are always coming in thousands every week to the Celestial Church of Christ where there is visible manifestation of the power and glory of God.

If it's not panadol, it can never be like panadol.

Anas09:
First off, am not a guy. Secondly, I am very opened minded. I am a seeker. If there's the truth, I want to know. I go to the ethimologies or the roots of belief systems to be sure Satan is not blindsiding people to hell. He can very well masquerade with the intent to mislead, and he has very smart servants he uses to do that.

I am here to discuss with you, no insults just facts. Let's talk

The very first step to knowing is to be objective.
Which means you set aside your biases and preconceived ideas to study a subject.

When Jesus was about to begin his ministry, what happened? He went to John at the River Jordan and was baptized right? After the baptism, a dove appeared in the skies and a voice said. This is my beloved son in whom I am well pleased.

Jesus also baptized other people severally in water and so did the disciples for new converts during and after Jesus lifetime. Water babtism is the first step in the official Christian journey.

You will recall that Jesus also used water to wash his disciples feet and reprimanded Peter for being hesitant to allow him wash his feet with water.

Of course, you would say that it was a symbolic expression of servant leadership and there lies the crux of the matter.

Symbols are used to express and make others comprehend timeless and abstract truths to the five senses.

The symbolism behind Christian water babtism is purification . The washing away of filth and beginning of a new fresh clean life

Yes the Celestial Church of Christ uses a lot of items that are symbolic of an eternal truth or principle and these . We know the symbolic interpretation of each object and NONE of it is in honor of Satan or any of his demons. Absolutely NONE. We see Satan , his demons and human agents like witches, wizards and others as defeated enemies of Jesus Christ and we are not afraid of them

Now if I was to reason like you do. Should I not say Jesus got his powers from water spirits. OR that the bird that said this is my son with whom I am well pleased is the one that gave him the power that he was using.

Having said that, there are over 5,000 Celestial parishes in the world. Most are in Cities and industrial areas where there are no bodies of water near by and so a body of water is not a criteria for citing a celestial church of christ parish.

Yes, our Prophets do recommend water baths for a lot of people when they give them messages. But it is usually for new converts who came to the church because of one spiritual problem or the other.

The general idea is that whatever mark that the agents of the devil has put on them spiritually should be washed away so they can begin afresh.

As they grow in spirit, and learn to live righteously and prayerfully, they get to a point where all they do is to decree a thing to be established. They get to rely less and less on symbolic items to support their faith.

As they continue to grow, they get to a point where even their thoughts and meditation of their hearts manifest in real life. I have experienced this stage in my spiritual journey and it's a bit scary as well as exciting and I so i am extremely careful what I think about as i now understand why the bible says " gaurd your heart diligently, for out of it proceeds the issues of life". What I think comes to pass. What I say must come to pass.

However not everyone is at that stage and does not mean that one should look down on them.

Jesus healed and delivered in many different ways based on the level of faith and the spiritual and physical condition or understanding of the person he was dealing with.

While the woman menstruating believed that if she touches Jesus Garment she would be healed, the Military commander told Jesus he did not need to be physically present for his daughter to be restored. He told Jesus to just issue a command...just as he would issue a command to his men and they will carry it out without question.

Now watch closely...in both of their approaches to God, their faith was expressed differently and in both cases it worked for them. God responded to both and granted them their desires.

Therefore if I believe that if I pick up a candle, pray with it and light it, the darkness in my life will dissappear because the light of God triumphs over darkness. Moreso since Jesus said he is the light of the world...I am inviting him as the light to intervene in my matter and repel whatever dark forces may be oppressing me. Do you think God will not honor my faith...even if you might do things differently?


The Bible records the Apostles use of announting Oil to pray for people after Jesus death and resurrection. Also they handkerchiefs and aprons that Paul had used were believed to be infused with divine power.

So that from his [Paul’s] body were brought unto the sick handkerchiefs or aprons, and the diseases departed from them, and the evil spirits went out of them.— Acts 19:12

The faith of those people in action...Paul was not there to make a prayer in the name of Jesus. Yet miracles happened to those who believed.

That is why one should be very careful when talking with authority about spiritual matters.humility is key.

Let me even let you into my own way of approaching God. When I have a very tough situation, I sit quitely for several hours reminding myself of God's mercy to me and who i really am then I go into my room, close the doors sing songs of praise and victory for like a hour and half and then begin to issue decress in the name of Jesus. What I asked for I always get.

Remember CCC is a problem solving church. In corporate terms, it is luke the trauma or emergency center of a hospital where patients are brought....as compared to pentecostal churches that are like Disney land.

The skills and tools that you will see in a hospital is different from what you will see in an amusement park...even though both take care of the needs of human beings.

Calling a person's belief system demonic without any tangible proof and speaking falsehood about others is really insulting.

The CCC has nothing to hide. Yes due to the nature of what we do, it is so easy for nefarious individuals to masquarade as Celestians and perpetrate all sorts of evil to the desperate people...but we know them and can easily identify them when we see them .

Anas09:
You can without a doubt vouch for that? Sir, do you know that Moses Orimolade was into Timber business when one of those days he was in the forest cutting wood when a snake appeared to him with a human face, with only one tooth of a human, speaking with the voice of a human, telling him that he was chosen to serve God in the capacity of a prophet?
This creature presented itself like a special Angel to Moses Orimolade.
Do you know that this was the encounter he had that made him leave his business and ventured ministry? Pls tell me how this can be from Jesus.

The name alone "Cherubim and Seraphim" signifise that their adherence is to Arch Angels instead of Jesus. Sir, do you know that humans are not permitted to summon Angels for anything? We are to petition YHWH, they Jesus will dispatch Angels to attend to us.

Sir, Cherubim and Seraphim worships Angels, and it's a sin. Angels don't accept worship from men. So, any Angel who accepts worship from men is not from God. That's Satan sir.


In true Christianity, miracles, signs and wonders are not the bases to judge a true Christian or a ministry backed my Jesus the founder of the church. The word of God and the sound doctrine primarily based on the scripture is what we use in judging the member of the body of Christ.

Jesus warned us to watch out, because when false prophets come, it is miracles they will use to decieve many.



How wow. This what I was looking for. I need someone to put me through. If they are solely Scriptural doctrines in S&C that are not extra Biblical, I wld need to know. So, tell me sir. God bless.

How so? Didn't Cele break out of S&C?
The name Celestial -Means 'Heavenly body'. Extra Terrestrial.
The Earth is Terrestrial, the spiritual is Celestial. Still worship of Angels. But this is more marine that sky.


All of the white Garment churches have very weird encounters. Very weird.

See as una two just combine dey talk confidently on dem sey dem sey.

Celestial Church of Christ does not worship Angels. We pray to Jehovah through Jesus Christ and command the Angels to do the bidding of Christ...because they are the ministering spirits assigned to deliver the requests of believers who will inherit salvation. Hebrews 1 verse14

So it is not against proper christian doctrine to send angels on errands. They are like invisible body gaurds and spiritual servants to us. Stronger and wiser but they do not have the authority to dominate all of creation that the believer has.

Concerning Moses Orimolade, you have with full confidence told an absolutely false story about him. This is a well documented biography of him.

https://dacb.org/stories/nigeria/orimolade-moses/


Ositelu, Rufus O. O. 2002: African Instituted Churches : diversities, growth, gifts, spirituality and ecumenical understanding of African Initiated Churches.Münster [etc.]: Lit Verlag.


Educate yourself and stop peddling lies.

Celestial Church of Christ did not break put of C and S. It was started in Benin Republic in 1947 when Oschoffa had an encounter with God in the forest on his Timber selling business. Before then he was a member of the Methodist Church and he clearly states that he loved to pray so much.

In the encounter he was told why God appointed him as his servant. There was a big problem with African Christians who had converted from idol worshipping to the orthodox churches like Anglican, Methodist and Babtist. When the had challenges, they reverted back to their old habits and consulted with traditional diviners and healers for solutions.Problem is when they died, in spite of their good deeds and worship...Satan had put his mark on them when they had gone to consult his human agents and so the mark of ownership by Satan prevented them from making heaven.

Therefore, God imbued Oschoffa and by his extension the Celestial Church of Christ with what was lacking in the Orthodox churches.

1. Healing powers
2. Prophetic Mantle...to hear from God,revelations about the source solutions and laser focused prayer points to a person's problems.
3. Authority in the name and blood of Jesus through prayers to break and loose the captives of Satan.
4. Spread the message of salvation through Christ all over the world.

These are the mandates of the Celestial Church of Christ and all these are comprised in the term " Luli " which was translated to him to mean the "Grace of God" meaning Oschoffa and by extension the Celestial Church of Christ did nothing to merit these special gifts but it was the Divine Monergism of God Almighty.

By the design of Jesus Christ, the Church is a problem solving church..to set captives free from the bondage of Satan. That is why in many cases, na problem dey carry person go Cele just like nobody visit the hospital unless sey problem wey pass paracetamol don dey.

If Oschoffa was able to play with a snake and it did mot harm him, how is that different from Apostle Paul's experience in Acts 28 verse 1-6, where a snake bit him and had no effect on him.

I am still at loss to how a Christian who believes that ALL power belongs to Jesus would in the same vein believe that a monkey, snake or bird that was born and are dead by now can give a man Spiritual power.

What Oschoffa saw in the forest was not abnormal.
A monkey, snake and bird are bound to be in the forest .

If Oschoffa and by extension the Celestial Church of Christ was demonic, why would Oschoffa tell all these accounts and include them in the church constitution a public document.? Would it not be common sense for a deceiver to hide the demonic source of his powers.

I'm sorry you guys are not thinking at all and your narrow mindedness is making you not see beyond your nose. Have you ever picked up a Celestial Church of Christ unique hymn book and read the wordings of the songs the sing in church during service to understand their beliefs about Christ?

There is a CCC hymn that says. There is no other way that leads to heaven...sinner it is the name of Jesus that saves.

Another CCC hymn says. It is the precious blood of Jesus that was the propitiation for our sins. Sinner wash yourself in the blood of Jesus and you shall be saved.

Another song says : we have conquered wizards, we have conquered witches, Satan has no power over us, anymore.

Another CCC hymn says. Wizards have been put to shame, witches have been thrown into confusion. The Devil is terrified and has fallen by the power of God in this church.

How can you listen to all these and then say the Celestial Church of Christ is a demon worshipping Church. Okay what are the names of the demons that we serve as revealed to you? May God forgive you both for slandering the church with minimal or zero knowledge about it.

I have a book by Professor Adogame who did many years of thorough academic research on the Celestial Church of Christ.

Stop listening to dem.say dem say

Celestial Church of Christ: The Politics of Cultural Identity in a West African Prophetic-charismatic Movement

https://books.google.com/books/about/Celestial_Church_of_Christ.html?id=H7n9GAAACAAJ

I have the soft copy somewhere. I can send in an email to you if you want

Professor Olupona also wrote something about African Instituted Churches..

Ositelu Ositelu, Rufus O. O. 2002: African Instituted Churches : diversities, growth, gifts, spirituality and ecumenical understanding of African Initiated Churches.Münster [etc.]: Lit Verlag.

These are excellent professors who did adequate research into the history and belief systems of these churches.

It is after you do thorough research about something that you can form a opinion about it.

ShaqFu:
the tenet which most white garment churches are built on is the same as the tenet many churches are built on.

The tenet which Nigeria is built on is Unity and Faith, Peace and Progress but you and I can say it's a far cry from the way many Nigerians act.

Bro leave that guy alone...you are just wasting your time. His type are trained to be very narrow minded...they can't see beyond their nose.

Anas09:
You don't study the Holy Spirit in the University. You will end up empty without the knowledge of the underlying reality of God. . God reveals himself to the humble, not the proud.
That's how Satan gets them without them even knowing.

No man looks for God, if you try, it's Satan you will end up with. God has always gone to those he chooses.

See how you dey lie on top yourself. If I tell you sey you no sabi anything..e go be like sey I dey abuse you. That is how you lied that the blind man had no eye balls at all,knowing fully well the Bible never said anything of such except that he was blind from birth...you add your own join.

If God says he is a rewarder of those that diligently seek him and another bible verse says seek the Lord dilligently while he may be found ...why then are you saying that "no man looks for God" ? .abi you no read that one for your bible in Hebrews 11 verse 6 and Isaiah 55 vs 6

FxMasterz:
This emotional blackmail wouldn't work bro. I and a few others have been the only ones who have been confronting you with facts here. All your flawed defences fell like a pack of cards. If your practices cannot stand the light of God's Word, how will they stand the test of fire? Remember every man's work shall be tested with fire.

We serve a very mercifully God who is also terrible in judgement. How long are we going to live in this world that we would use the little time spent to buy eternal damnation for our souls?

I do not intend to condemn you, but to bring certain things to your notice so that whenever it shall be your turn to meet the Lord, you shall meet him fully prepared and ready. You're not hurting me, you're hurting your soul if you refuse to heed whatever the Spirit of God is telling you right now through our conversations together.

Guy just shut up please you are not making any sense.

I have consistently asked you pertinent questions that you have had no answer for other than regurgitating things that have been programmed to you like a robot.

I've weighed you on the scales of biblical exegesis and you are as light as a feather.

The person you are talking to spent 5 good years in O.A.U Ile-Ife studying the various expressions of Religion and Philosophy in an academic setting with critical thinkers as lecturers.

Seminary trained and ordained Reverends and Pastors from various demoninations were my class mates and Lecturers.

Wetin you sabi about biblical interpretation: do you know what is called Trito Isaiah or have you ever heard about the Jahwist , Elohist ,Priestly , and Deuteronomist sources of some Bible texts.

Or do you know anything about the various methods of Biblical criticism such as textual, source, form, and literary criticism.

Go and take several back seats for you are what we used to call back the " untrained bible readers".

You know nothing about Christianity...you can continue to do your unintelligible blabbing like a mad man and be deceiving yourself that you are speaking in tounges.

Shekerebo bobo madush ma ga gusky.

Whatever the hell that means to you.

God told the Israelites to burn incense to him in prayers but your big head here is telling me that it is demonic and because it is not commanded by Jesus Christ.

You think sey na one novice you dey follow talk. I don examine you.you be robot wey no sabi nada.

You know wetin dem dey call Soteriology for biblical studies abi you sabi Parousia, abi you sabi Harmatiology abi you sabi poneriology.

You dey open your mouth talk sey somebody no sabi bible...go and shut up and sit down somewhere.

If you have ever sat down to study the four Anthropomorphisms ( structural, gestural, character, and aware.) you will be humble about thinking you know all about God.

FxMasterz:
Deceivers and liars would never change. They show their true colors always. I've exposed you and that's why you're embittered.

In all my posts, I maintained that, your actions have not example from Jesus Christ, nor His apostles. You're quoting scripture upside down to defend demonism.

Let's hear from Jesus Christ directly about tithe:

But woe unto you Pharisees! For ye tithe mint and rue and all manner of herbs, and pass over judgement and the love of God: these ought ye to have done and not to leave the other undone." Luke 11:42

In that scripture above Jesus clearly told the Pharisees that they should not focus on tithing alone, they should also do justice without leaning tithing undone.

You don't have any scriptural basis for your demon practices yet you grow offended when it was pointed out to you. A true servant of Christ would have considered the error of his ways, go back to the Bible, study more in a bid to put himself back in right standing with God. But you see, a mesanger of Satan never wants to hear the truth. He hates it. He attacks it and even resort to blackmail just as you're doing right now. It's not you, it's the spirit of the devil who wouldn't want you to embrace light.

If you're sincere with yourself, and really cherish your soul, you'll do everything within your night to bring yourself back into alignment with God. That's what will matter at the end of time. It would never be erased from the records in heaven that someone told you the truth but you blatantly rejected it, choosing falsehood, and preferring the gates of hell more that gates of heaven.

You still have not shown one single demonic practice. Everything I have brought up has basis in the Bible.

That you call them demonic 500 million times does not erase the fact that they are from the bible and commanded by God at one time or the other.

I know your type very well and when confronted with facts..you just keep screaming your opinion believing that if you scream loud enough people will be convinced.

Did God not tell the priests to burn incense to him in his temple,why then do you say it is demonic when Celestians are doing the exact same thing as found in the bible.

If Jesus did not stop tithing , which was an Old testament practice, why then do you think he would stop burning of incense to God that God himself had commanded?

Saying that incense burning to God during prayers is demonic, whereas collecting tithes is not when both of them are found in practices sanctioned by is just outright hypocrisy on your part ...and I have done very well to expose you for what you really are. A hate filled hypocrite of the highest order.

ITK no go finish you.

FxMasterz:
You can judge that if you're God. The Bible commands tithe, perhaps you don't know.

Hebrews 7:8 says "And here men that die (The Levites, Pastors, etc) receive tithes, but there He (Jesus) receiveth them (tithes) of whom it is witnessed that He liveth forever."

You want to capitalize on that because I didn't want to drag it with you?

The scriptures says that as men receives tithes here, Jesus Christ is indirectly receiving it in heaven!

Your activities are demonic. Changing the topic to talk about tithe does not change the fact that you guys engage in occultism, misleading many people and sending souls to hell under the disguise of preaching the gospel. God shall bring you all to judgement.

Your brain is either very dense or you are deliberately avoiding the obvious errors in your argument that I am showing you of your hypocrisy.

You are quoting Hebrew and the words of another person. My question is did Jesus command you to pay tithes? Of course you know the answer is no.

You said it is only what Jesus commands that is Christian. And so because Jesus did not COMMAND certain practices that we derive from the bible...therefore they are demonic.

That is why I brought the issue of tithes.of course we pay tithes in the Celestial Church of Christ...because it is an eternal principle.

The animals story is not a secret, it is contained in the history part of our written constitution. It is not a secret and we understand what hey mean.


Peter saw a vision of unclean animals and was told to kill and eat because God had made them clean...as a clear direction that God saw the gentiles as part of his kingdom...unlike the preexisting mindset of the Jews.

There was a message that God was passing to Oschoffa with the with the using the animals as illustration....we know them.

He saw a monkey with wings, saw a Snake and he saw a Peacock.

As Celestains we know exactly what those symbols mean and the lessons that Jesus Christ was using them to pass across to him.

But for you to insinuate that they gave him power is outright stupidity on your part.

And if your had an iota of common sense, you should ask yourself what power does a monkey, peacock or a snake has to give to a human being?

And if I want to show you your lack spiritual understanding, why did God command Moses to create a bronze serpent and tell the Israelites to look at the Snake on the pole to be healed.

I keep telling you approach God with humility and stop thinking you understand him.
His ways are mysterious to accomplish his will. Stop trying to put him in a box of your own making.

Anyways,the winged monkey moving from branch to branch represented the manner with which the Church would spread globally in no delibrate, calculated fashion.

The Peackock represented Pride in ones beauty that the Church should be careful to avoid...because of the power and gifts that God had bestowed upon it.

The Snake represented Deeceit that its members should be careful to abstain from.

Like I told you you know nothing and your head is filled with hot air.

Christianity is not about merely quoting scriptures..you need to understand.

FxMasterz:
If anyone collects tithes, that's a neutral innocent activity that doesn't involve demonism. What we condemn are your apparent demonic activities. It's high time I told you the truth.

Doing what Jesus did not command is an innocent activity? Robbing people of 10 percent of their sweat is not an innocent activity. It is stealing by trick and a Mammon worshipper you are.

FxMasterz:
If anyone collects tithes, that's a neutral innocent activity that doesn't involve demonism. What we condemn are your apparent demonic activities. It's high time I told you the truth.

Actions that God commanded and things that can clearly be found in the Bible are demonic and occultic ...just because you the second Almighty says so.

So all the priests that were burning incense to God in the temple as he commanded them were fetish and demonic abi

Irrelevant thing dey call himself something.

Get off your high horse...that slander no longer works with us.

FxMasterz:
My brother, your practices are labelled fetish because they are. Not because of anything else. You yourself know this in the innermost part of your being that those things are not right You've tried to use the Bible to cover up many things, and I have exposed the flaws in your defences.

Be sincere with yourself. Your practices are occultic. The occult do exactly the same things you do.

I do not condemn the white garment you wear or your barefootedness. Those are very neutral and inocent activities that you do for reasons best known to you. But to bath in rivers, burn candles, make sacrifices and the other weird things you do is absolutely against the gospel. These are practices you would find in all occult temples including Guru Maraji. These things are totally against the scriptures. They are very questionable. These are highly demonic practices that are widely known in the occult.

For example, candles are used for conjuring demons. Each candle has its own purpose according to its colours. There's a way to position them and there are things to say to make the demons manifest. It can either appear physically or possess someone. The same goes for incense. It's satanic. This is not the gospel Jesus brought. We have been forwarned and instructed to reject anyone who brings us another gospel which is different from that which was delivered unto us by Christ and His Apostles and Prophets who are the foundations of the Church with Jesus Himself being the Chief Corner Stone.

My brother, if indeed to have heaven as your goal, and you desire that Christ meets you on that day with open arms to welcome you into the everlasting kingdom of God, you need to renounce these practices and repent. You might of done those things in ignorance but God is still interested in your soul. Salvage your soul before it is too late. Jesus Christ is still waiting for you. He loves you nonetheless.

If I follow your reasoning, then the Bible is fetish.

Thank you and learn to mind your own business. When you get to church on Sunday remember to tell your pastor not to collect tithes because Jesus did not command it.

Didijiji:
if you touch tithe you don kill them o. No go that side

Lol...leave those people with their business centers mentality.

Their over sabi dey too much and dem no sabi anything inside life.

Imagine calling items and incidents inside the Bible fetish and demonic when they are common place in God's precense.

Make I leave the guy go do better things with my time.

I know what his response will be but I'm done with him or she.

FxMasterz:
Elisha told Naaman to go wash and be healed, did he actually do that to anyone else? Was it not a specific instruction from God to Naaman? Are your church members Naaman? Do they have leprosy? After Jesus put mud in the eyes of the blind man, wouldn't he wash off the mud? If Jesus chose for him to go wash in a pool, was that not specific to him? Did Christ do the same to anybody else? Did the apostles make a doctrine out of it? Do your church members have mud in their eyes? I'm afraid you're misinterpreting scriptures.

Interestingly, the holy ground where Moses was asked to put off his sandals was situated in Midan. Did God ever tell Moses afterwards in all his journeys with God to put off his sandals? Even when he climbed holy mountains such as Sinai and Horeb, was he ever asked to put off his sandals? Even Joshua his servant never did. We should expect that the holiest grounds would be in Israel or at least in Jerusalem, most especially the locations of the Tabernacle and the Temple. Did God ever instruct the children of Israel to put off their sandals in any of those places? The Midian episode was just a one time episode. It never recurred. Why make a doctrine of it when even Moses and the Israelites never did? Anyway, walking bare footed isn't sin. That doesn't stop anyone from making heaven except you have some rituals attached to it, but it's an unnecessary discomfort. It neither adds nor take anything from you. God wouldn't reward anyone for walking barefooted all his life. He wouldn't punish the person either. The person already punished himself enough.

Yeah, we see all those things done in heaven. They were done in heaven, they were never commanded to to be done on earth. And all those things were symbols. You might never get to see them when you get to heaven. Symbols would remain symbols. When you have the real thing, what would you need symbols for? The symbols were just for the purpose of the visions. For example, if the seven lamps were not symbolized, how would we know that there are seven Spirits of God? That's the purpose the symbols serve. You don't know better than the Lord Jesus and the Apostles who never used them. They didn't even make any allusion to them in all the over 100yrs of their ministries. John the Revelator himself who received the revelations never used them. He was the longest living apostle in his days, he never used any of those stuffs you're using. He didn't deliver it to his proteges. Even Polycarp, who was one of John's strongest disciples would consider your practices to be strange and completely alien. He served as a Bishop for complete 84yrs after the death of John, he never remembered to burn one candle. It seems you even know better than John who had the revelations.

My brother, we won't burn any physical candles in heaven. They were just symbols. The incense represents the prayers of the saints. Each time we pray, we're burning spiritual incense. God has no respect for physical incense. The white garments represent the righteousness of the saints. Candles were only used in the Holy of Holies in the Old Testament. Incense and candles are shadows in the old Testaments, in the new, prayer is the real body for incense and the indwelling Presence of the Holy Spirit is the real body for the candles. The shadow has been done away with. Or would you condemn Jesus and His apostles for not burning incense or candles like you do? Please stop making all these weak defences.

I was involved in the Pentecostal revolutions of the 80s and 90s. I have first hand experience of how Pentecostalism started in Nigeria. There was no demarketing whatsoever. It was Deeper Life that actually demarketed all other churches in its early days. And truly, Kumuyi walked in the power of God which was a rare occurrence in the ,70s. As a matter of fact, everyone knows that Cele is fetish. Even sinful youths know very well to avoid Cele girls because they're believed to be fetish. They're afraid a cele girl could ruin their lives. Please I just need to tell you the truth because you may not even know how your church is perceived out there. People attend the church only when they have no other option. After being there for many years, they'll find out that when one problem leaves, some other 10 would surface. They continue solving one problem or the other all their lives. Finally, some of them find their ways into Pentecostal churches where they get delivered. The other day I was praying for a group of just 7 people. Immediately I laid hands on the first person on the line, the woman who was at the other end of the line began falling and rising. I have not even touched her. It wasn't her turn yet. We weren't even conducting deliverance, just a normal prayer for blessings. That woman scattered the whole place that day. Later I was told after the service that the woman was a new member of that church, and that she came in from Cele. Everyone said said no wonder!

My brother, let's leave denominationalism aside. If Christ comes today, would He be pleased with the strange and weird things you do? Do you really think you're serving Jesus or you have another Master? Jesus never commanded us to do any of those weird things. Who exactly do you serve? Who's your master?

There are powers my brother. There are powers. Even the magicians of Egypt countered Moses with their powers. They replicated some of the miracles Moses did. But what was their source? The source is what matters. Not every miracle is from God.

Please look deeply into your source. The so called biblical explanations your clergy gave you are flawed. Very flawed. Who knows maybe God could use you to bring a revolution and reintroduce the true gospel into the Celestial church. We would be so glad to see someone kindle the fire of revival in the white garment churches.
These conversations are not happening for nothing. Please note that your loyalty should be to Christ and not to your denomination.

CC:
Didijiji

How you perceive our church has zero effect on our faith.

Have you ever visited or sat down an a celestial church of christ, have you ever picked up a Celestial Church of Christ hymnbook to read understand the church beliefs religious beliefs?

I am sure you answer is no.

My big question to you is still, if these items that you are agree are found in the Bible and used in one way or the other in worshipping God....why do you label them as fetish or demonic...because Christ did not command it?

Okay if we want to use your logic now answer these questions?

Did Jesus command you to pay tithe? Why do your pastors collect tithes.

Did Jesus command you to use anointing oil? Why do your pastors use anointing oil?

Did Jesus command you to speak in tounges? Why then do you blabbing unintelligible nonsense

Did Jesus command you sing? Whey then do you sing in church.

Did Jesus command you to play musical instruments in church, why then do you do so?

Did Jesus command you to build physical churches? Why then do you build church buildings?

Did Jesus command your Pastors to collect offerings every service? Why do your pastors do so?

I can go on and on but I have another question for you?

Did the Son of God begin to exist only after he was born as flesh, or was he already active in the world before his birth?

Does commandments by God to the Israelites his chosen ones become irrelevant because Jesus did not command it.

You are very very asleep. The Bible is not a novel and should not be treated as one.

The gospel of Christ is not complex...it is simply for God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son, that whoever believes in him may not perish but have everlasting life.

I fear for who no fear Nigerian Police.

They are masters of their craft.

Trouble no dey finish.

FxMasterz:
Smiling.

My brother, I don't know you or what you do but if you burn candles and incense, bath people in rivers, conduct midnight rituals and do any of the things Christ Jesus did not command, you need to repent.

I'm not judging you. I can't judge His servants, 'to his master, he standeth or fall.' However, I can be my brother's keeper, and my brother can be my keeper too.

There's no perfect church anywhere. We're all working towards perfection. Our ultimate goal is to please the Master and complete our assignments accordingly to His expectations.

The fact that you've witnessed people who speak in tongues is an indication that tongues have not ceased. They're still as relevant today as they were in the days of the apostles.

The gift of tongues which a man receives as one of the gifts of the Spirit is very much different from the baptism of the Holy Spirit. When you're baptised in the Holy Spirit, you speak in tongues as evidence. This evidence is not the gift of tongues. The gift you received is the gift of the Holy Spirit also called the Promise of the Father. The Gift of the Holy Spirit which comes with the evidence of tongue is different from the gift of Tongues. Infact, the gift of tongues gives the ability to speak several languages, not just one. That's why it's called the Gift of Tongues - Plural. It is often accompanied with the gift of interpretation of tongues. While the Gift of the Holy Spirit (Holy Ghost Baptism) is available for every child of God, the gift of tongues is for selected individuals. Not everyone can have the gift of tongues but everyone can have the Gift of the Holy Spirit with the evidence of speaking in tongues. There's a clear demarcation between the two. In fact, 1Cor. 12:10 says ...to another, diverse kinds of tongues." That is to say as the Spirit distributes according to His will, He gives some gifts to one, and to another He gives the ability to speak diverse tongues. Meanwhile the Gift of the Holy Spirit which the disciples received on the day of Pentecost is for all. Peter said: ...for the promise is into you, and to your children; and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call. Acts 2:39. Before then, Peter had told the crowd of Elamites, Pathians, Greecians, Egyptians, Medes and all the Nationals of the various countries witnessing the event on that day 'Repent and be baptised, everyone of you... for the remmission of your sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. Acts 2:38. Meanwhile, the gift of diverse tongues in 1Corinthians 12:10 is not for everyone. I suppose you can see the difference now.

Research more into what you're calling mindless babblings. You don't have the correct information about what we do, why we do it and how it happens among us. The Pentecostal movement has positively influenced other Orthodox denominations, Baptists, Anglicans, Methodists, etc. Even Catholics are not left out with the Charismatic renewal movement.
What do you think they saw after years of criticisms and internal persecutions?

Let's talk briefly about the power of God. When the Presence of God is with you, you're a carrier of the power of God because you can manifest that Presence anywhere. Witches and wizards and all the powers of darkness would avoid you because they know you carry power. The Presence of God in a man's life is the power of God upon His life. The Presence of God in the life of Samson was God's power in his life. When the Spirit of God departed from him, he wanted to go out and do as he usually does, not knowing that "the Spirit of the Lord had departed from him." The moment the Spirit of God leaves you, you're powerless.

The manifestation of power is in accordance to intimacy, and intimacy is developed through personal fellowship. The more you fellowship, the more intimate you become, and the more the intimacy, the greater the manifestation. There's nothing like increasing or decreasing, or the draining of power. There can only be increased intimacy leading to increased manifestation and vice versa. Power moved from Christ to heal the woman the same it moves from Him to heal every. That's why He said, 'Someone touched me.' He didn't say someone polluted me or oh, someone has defiled me. Power moved out of Him every time someone is healed. He knew someone has had a miracle. He was never drained. Never stained. Never polluted. Never corrupted. A woman's menses is not a threat to the supernatural power of God.

I don't know why you have so much disdain for Pentecostals. Every Church denomination knows to be wary of white garment churches especially celestial. It is generally believed that they're diabolical. This position is not a Pentecostal position, it's general. That's why you usually make friends amongst yourselves.

There are many thieving, double faced, corrupt and dubious humans in Celestial churches, and this is well known. I think you should look into that. Those guys who charge money to conduct deliverance for people, or sell holy water, special anointing oil, etc are not Pentecostals. They're charlatans. Be wary of them.

CC:
Didijiji

So you know better than Elijah who told Naaman to go bath in the river to heal his leprosy.

Or you know better than Jesus christ who told the blind man to go WASH his eyes with WATER?

Or you know better than the Almighty God who told Moses to take off his sandals and be barefooted because where he stood in his precense had become Holy Ground.

Finally go and read the book of Revelations, Isaiah, Ezekiel and other prophets who had visions into heaven and the throne of God.

You will see a lot of angels,white garments,lighted lamps representing the seven spirits of God, holding of palm fronds by the redeemed saints and regular burning of incense during prayers around God's heavenly throne....that is the heaven that you are aspiring to go to ooo.

If these are common place in heaven, how can you in your right senses say that they are fetish?

Understanding of biblical Spiritual matters is not for the proud.

And let me give you a bit of perspective. In the late 80's and early to mid 90's when the new Pentecostal churches started springing up. Their mantra was to demarket Celestial Church of Christ by calling them demonic.

Sadly most of our fathers then walked by faith and had childhoods where it was the Clergy only that had access to bibles and readand preached to the laity...so many did not understand or know the scriptural basis for what they did.

All they knew was they had witnessed the power of God in the Celestial Church of Christ.

Interestingly these abuses made our church leadership begin to research the bible for biblical foundations for our faith and practices. They were amazed by what they found and established Sunday schools for parishes, a central bible fellowship and Bible classes in various parishes as well.

The beauty of it is that after the hard work of about a decade and half, you had the average young Celestial with a firm grasp and understanding of the biblical basis for everything that we did.

Everything was explained with biblical passages backing them. Worship, Music, Prayer items , reason for the church and more importantly living a moral righteous life with contentment and kindness to others in humility.

A lot of new adult members too over time have teachers who can explain the why's of whatever we do.

We pay no homage or have any allegiance to Satan or demons as they are our eternal enemies.

We are not afraid of the devil, his demons and his human agents and rebuke them in the name of Jesus.

We praise and pray humbly Jehovah and command his angels to carry out God's will for us because we are more than conquerors and he has promised to never leave us or forsake us.

We know we are saved by the precious blood of Jesus Christ that was shed for the remission of our sins and try to live a lifestyle worthy of his name and pleasing to him.

If that is not enough for you...you can continue your false unintelligible blabbing that you call speaking in diverse tounges.

But when you see wetin pass you, you will run come our church and the Spirit of Christ will reveal the source and solutions to your problems with laser aimed prayer points to help solve them.

Adios

FxMasterz:
Truth be told, there are bad eggs in all denominations. That's why my emphasis isn't on personalities but denominational doctrines. I can also talk about many pastors of celestial churches who have a reputation for defiling female members but that would be offboard if I use that to judge the entire celestial church as you're judging the Pentecostals. I'll focus on doctrines, not on men because false prophets and apostles are everywhere.

The Power of God is the Presence and manifestation of the Holy Spirit. The car battery analogy does not fit in. No Holy Spirit, no power. You experience power when the Holy Ghost makes things happen through you. You're not the one making things happen, it's the Holy Ghost.

Even in the life of Samson, shortly before he manifests super-human abilities, you'll read "...and the Spirit of God came upon him." He is the One at work when the sick are healed; the dead are raised to life or whenever any miracle happens in the name of Jesus. He can't be drained. There's no biblical basis for that. The inferences you're drawing are purely your own derivatives. Let Jesus say it Himself that power was drained from him, don't put words in His mouth.

The celestial church isn't envied by Pentecostals. That's untrue. You yourself know that you cannot biblically explain many of your practices. Almost everybody is aware that many celestial churches perform fetish rites. This neither Jesus nor the apostles did. Again, do it the way they did it. You'll have the same results. Do not add anything to it. if the Bible and prayer is not enough for you, then I don't know what you want. If Celestial churches are manifesting the power of God in line with scriptures without those weird practices, Pentecostals would freely mingle with them and regard them as co-workers with God. There's no room for envy. I'll gladly learn from you if your mode of operation isn't questionable.

The Pentecostal movement I Nigeria is greatly influenced by the west. We beat drums, speak in tongues, heal the sick, conduct deliverance and prophesy, not by copying celestial Churches but through the mentorship of men of God from the West. People like Kenneth Hagin, Oral Robert, Kenneth Copeland, Billy Graham and others influenced such men as Benson Idahosa who in turn influenced David Oyedepo and others who have become founding founders of present day Pentecostalism in Nigeria. There's no influence of celestial churches. When your practices don't resemble that of Jesus but bears a striking resemblance to a juju priest, you make us dissociate ourselves from you. Especially when you cannot biblically explain what you're doing.

I laughed when you said Paul wrote that the gift of speaking in tongues has already fulfilled its purpose and so people should be silent. Would you show me that from the scriptures? The gift of tongues is different from the speaking in tongues that comes during Holy Ghost baptism. And all the 9 gifts the apostle Paul wrote about were given full explanations which clearly showed their importance in Paul's letter to the Corinthians. I can't remember Paul saying a particular gift was no longer necessary.

The purpose of tongues is primarily personal edification. And throughout the scriptures, there's no record that the operation of any gift is terminated. I'll be glad if you can prove me wrong.

Yeah, every language has structures. When I started, I spoke in few syllables. Like a child learning a new language, as I continued to speak it in my private prayer life, it grew until I have reached the stage I am now. You'll call it mindless babblings the first day I ever spoken but today, I speak clear coherent languages by the Spirit of God. Don't base your judgement on those who stopped speaking in tongues the day they got baptised. They'll never grow and so each time they speak during a gathering, they'll speak repeated syllables which you call mindless babblings. Meanwhile, they're still edifying themselves.

Yeah Christ grew and became strong in Spirit. That doesn't imply that He could be drained. Regular fellowship with Holy Spirit brings more intimacy and therefore greater manifestation. The Spirit of God would move through you depending on your level of relationship with Him. You can't drain the power of God my brother.

CC:
Didijiji

Some of your words make sense...but most is just a pile of misguided nonsense.

Jesus himself said " I felt power leave me" ..you are still insisting no..that is not what he meant. I leave you to you.

But its common sense that If anything has demonstrated the ability increase, it invariably also has the ability to decrease.

The precense of God is not the same as the Power of God. Stop mixing stuff.

I may be present at a place but not demonstrate my power. Power is different from precense. God is omnipresent but does not manifest his precense to man's five senses all the time.

He is omni potent but does not demonstrate his power all the time.
Gods precense does not automatically translate to him demonstrating his power.

The gift of tounges is the spiritual gift that that enables a person to speak a language that he did not learn. No more no less.

You have no single biblical proof to say the "gift of tounges" is different from "speaking in tounges." You are engaging in what we call circular definition.

You are also saying the made up mindless unintelligible blabbing that you guys speak is the gift of speaking in tounges. May God forgive you. That is what I will tell you. If you repeat meaningless words enough your memory and brain will become accustomed to it and you can pile upon it. It is still not a language.

I have seen people who speak actually speak in tounges. The first is yoruba man, who starts to speak Arabic whenever the Spirit of God descends on him. that he never learned it and cannot speak it until he is in Spirit.

I have seen another man who can speak the language of birds. He will be cooing like a pidgen and delivering messages. An interpreter who has the gift of interpretation of tounges will be beside him to translate. She would translate and the person who came to consult God will confirm that the revelations from the cooing match with events in his or her life.

I know because I used to sit there and transcribe the messages. Same thing with the Arabic tounged prophet.

So dear, I know exactly what speaking in tounges and prophecy is.

As a member of the Celestial Church of Christ, we know and understand why Jesus Christ founded our denomination.
It is a " life problem's"solving Church where people come to for solutions.
It is not a motivational speaking center.

To carry out the Churches mandate, Jesus Christ empowered the church with his Spirit.. and the testimony of Christ the Spirit of prophecy.

When your members have challenges that surpass their brains and social connections...they know where they come to encounter the wisdom and power of God...we are always ready with open arms to minister to their needs...even though a lot of yall are a bunch of ingrates.

Yes we know that due to the nature of our divine commission, some dark elements masquerade as true celestians to commit atrocities and take advantage of members of the public. But any true Celestian is quickly able to identify them by their actions and doings.

I know currently the church adapts the mindset of let the weed and wheat grow together, and God will judge everyone...but we might have to start doing some internal cleansing.

Doctrine wise...I have examined all our doctrines and I have not found any one that does not have a biblical precedent or example.


I am glad that you got off your high horse and admitted that it is not all perfect in pentecostal churches so I'll let you be with a final admonition: who are you to judge another man's servant. We worship Jesus Christ, believe in the salvific power of his name and blood,constantly rebuke the devil and his spiritual and human agents and expect to be admitted into heaven after our time on earth.


Live and let live. With all the thousands of pentecostal churches in every nook and cranny of the country, you lots are the most thieving,double faced, corrupt and dubious humans on the planet.

All talk, and no real adherence to the leading of Christ.

Rest abeg!!!

FxMasterz:
We don't speak unintelligible language when we speak in tongues. It's unintelligible to you because you don't understand the language. Sometimes the tongues are interpreted, and everyone understands what is being said.

Those whom you hear repeating just one word all the time are people who have not grown up spiritually. I speak a whole language at a go by the grace of God. I don't speak repeated syllables. I speak several languages too.

If you don't understand Fanti language of Ghana, and you hear someone saying Mi da o asi, mi da o asi, mi da o si, several times, wouldn't that look unintelligible to you? Meanwhile that person is giving thanks to God. Mi da o asi means, I give you thanks. The same way your own native language would look unintelligible to someone who doesn't understand it. Paul explained it by saying the fellow would look like a barbarian to you. We're not talking about those who are faking it. There are those who fake it. That's completely unscriptural. Very wrong. The first time you're baptised, your tongue moves uncontrollably. You're not in control of what you're saying. What you're saying looks unintelligible to even you the speaker. But the Lord understands the language.

Look, we do not mix anything together or train people on what to say or do. It's just a simple prayer of faith:

"Lord, this Your servant has a desire to be filled by Your Presence and to be baptised by Your Holy Spirit. We come before You because You've promised that anyone who asks receives. Give him Lord your Holy Spirit as You did on the day of Pentecost. Do it Father, for we pray in Jesus name." That's all. We leave the rest to God and He never fails to answer. Sometimes, the person speaks a full language same day he was baptized, and there'll be interpretation. It is purely from above without any human input or interference. That's how it was on the day of Pentecost.

Regarding the woman with the issue of blood. I understand that you're a leader and most possibly heading a church. You wouldn't love to give up on this practice but I'll tell you the truth.

First, it is blasphemy to say the woman drained Jesus of His power. You don't seem to understand who Jesus is. Jesus cannot be said to possess the power of God. That's an understatement because He Himself is the Power. The Bible calls Him "...the wisdom of God and the power of God."

Now, you seem to think that power is something quantifiable which could be reduced or increased and therefore could be deducted, leading to a drain. No. Not so.

The power of God is simply the Presence of the Holy Spirit and His manifestation in our lives. That's why Jesus said, "Ye shall receive power after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you."

It's the work of the Holy Ghost. The Holy Spirit moves to do the things He wants to do, and He's not inhibited by a woman's mensural flow. Even Jesus said, "...the Father that dwells in me, He does the work. I can of my own self do nothing." What makes you think He could be drained? "For In Him dwelleth the fullness of the Godhead bodily."

Power isn't fluid. Though it moves like a river. It isn't drainable because it's a Person. The Holy Ghost. The Holy Ghost Himself is called the Spirit of Christ.

For instance, if you're sharing your wisdom with someone from morning till night, wouldn't it sound absurd to you if someone suddenly walks in and says to the fellow you're sharing your wisdom with, "Leave the man alone, you've been receiving from his wisdom since morning, you're draining his wisdom." Just as wisdom cannot be drained, so also is power. Wisdom isn't fluid, same as power.

What happened was that Jesus knew that someone tapped from Him because He felt a sensation. And yeah, you could feel something like electric current coursing through you when you minister the power of God to somebody. You'll feel the Holy Spirit reaching out and touching someone. That's what Jesus felt. He was never drained.

We who are His servants never feel drained let alone the Lord. He's the source. And the source is infinite. Infinite and immeasurable manifestation of the Spirit of God. We are just channels. We're never sources. We're conduits through whom the Holy Ghost moves to bless lives. There's nothing like draining. It's heretic. And when used against the Lord, it's blasphemous. There's nowhere in the scriptures where the power of God was ever drained from someone. In the case of Samson, the Spirit of God simply departed from him. Only sin can obstruct the move of the Holy Ghost. Not menses. Menses may affect demons. Not the Spirit of God.

Regarding prophecies, yeah, we prophesy by the Spirit of God. "I prophesy into your life..." No, that's not prophesy. That's prophetic prayer. It's not telling you what has happened or what would happen. It's just a word of prayer. The same way Ezekiel prophesied to make the dry bones live. A prayer of command.

Prophecies usually start with "This saith the Lord." Or you could hear the man of God say "This is what God is telling me now..." That's prophecy or the Word of knowledge. We know the difference between prophetic prayers and prophecies, but people outside the Pentecostal walls think we're prophesying when we're making prophetic prayers. It's simply a prayer of positive confession or command. Prophecy is quiet different.

I will leave you to it. The Bible is very clear enough on all we have talked about.

Although I am a Celestian, I am very very conversant with Pentecostal doings...for 5 good years I had Pastors and Reverend as class mates...and I really see una finish.

Of the about 18 of them, not one inspired me as a good example of Christianity in any way. From cheating during tests and exams to sleeping with our female course mates to, petty bickering and lack of kindness. It will be very hard to place any "man made god" on a pedestal .

I also attended a number of Pentecostal and orthodox churches out of curiosity as an adult and by circumstances as a child.

Deeper life, Jehovah witnesses, Catholic Church, Anglican Communion, Redeemed, Four square, Christ Embassy, CAC, TREM, this Chris Okoties church where they use to pick us from our neighborhood in buses and pay us a token for coming to church and filling up chairs.

Power left me is power left me...but here you are giving it your own interpretation to suit your agenda.And if you ever jump started a dead car battery you will understand.

Electric power from a running car with a good car battery is used to to power up the dead car battery by CONNECTING them with cables...some electric currents will LEAVE the good battery and resurrect the dead one.

The woman got healed when power left Jesus's body and transferref to hers . That power stopped the unceasing death carrying fluid in her body and restored her to wholeness.

In this modern era where all the countries in the world and the languages they speak are well documented and easily translated with your mobile phone is what you are saying nonsense for.

Every language has structure, tonation Even though I may not understand what the words a person is saying, one can easily differentiate mindless blabbing from a language. The beauty of the Speaking in tounges is that by the power of the Holy Spirit, an individual is becomes able to speak a language that he did not learn at all. Wether as a child or as an adult.

What happened on Pentecost day was for a purpose, God knew that there were a lot of foreigners there on that day and chose to speak with them in their language using individuals that never learned the language. He displayed his power as Lord of the Universe and explained the good news of salvation in christ to them. Those unbelievers tool that good news back to their home countries...and so the gospel spread around the world from that incident.

Most of those who received that gift retained the gift and Paul in his letters made it known that the gift had served its purpose already and they should keep it private unless they had someone who can interprete... instead they should ask for a more practical gift...the ability to prophesy.

When a man in trouble or confusion comes to you as a Christian, and as a prophet you are able to be shown his past present and future and the source and solution to his problem, you stand a greater chance of converting him to Christianity than speaking in a foreign tounge.

The Spirit of Prophecy which is the Spirit of Christ is what the Celestial Church of Christ has among its members both young and old , male and female in Abundance...and that is why you see people rushing to the church when they have problems or are confused. The Spirit of Christ shines a light into the darkness of their life solves the problems and in recognition of Christ's lordship become Celestians themselves.

Many Pentecostal churches and Pastors do not have this gift at all or on a large scale and that is where the jealousy and demarketing comes from....dem hate to loose customers wey dem no fit satisfy their spiritual needs.

Power is not the "presence" of the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit may be present and choose not to exercise power. Power is the ability to make something happen.

Luke 2:40 says of Jesus. And the Child grew and became strong in spirit, filled with wisdom; and the grace of God was upon Him.

If they child grew and became strong in spirit, one can infer that at he time he was not as strong in spirit at age 7 compared to age 12 for instance. Meaning if spiritual power can grow, it can also be depleted.

One again Jesus words were very clear.."I felt power leave me. " contact with the menstruating woman drained his power so much that he noticed even in that large crowd of many people touching him at the same time. The woman's faith did not drain him of power, the depth of her prolonged condition required power to heal.

And who told you that it is only sin that hinders the Holy Spirit's operation...and by extension answers to prayers.You clearly need to read your Bible from Genesis to Revelation properly to understand the Spiritual landscape.

Pray for understanding bro. God does not live in that box that you try to fit him into.

I spent 5 good years of from.my late teens to early twenties studying God and Religion in a formal and academic setting and have experienced the power and miracles of God in my life.

Nothing new wey you want tell me. I be practical Christian.

SerikiFulani:
A lot of people we regard as men of God today are just motivational speakers who have no idea what the gospel is or what salvation entails.

A pastor has no business criticizing other denominations especially if you're a prosperity preacher because prosperity gospel is a wrong doctrine.

Celestial church has a lot of bad eggs... Infact it is the easiest denominations to disguise for occultic people.... That's why we have a lot of herbalists and occultic people disguising as Cele prophets nowadays.

I can confidently say we don't have up to 50 real pastors in this country and they are not popular.

TB Joshua was heavily criticized yet he never responded or abuse anyone of his criticizers.

The funniest thing is Celestial church got some powerful spiritual powers and they know the secrets of nature.

Celestial church of christ has no spiritual power beyond a strong belief in the power in the blood and name of Jesus.

Every item we use in prayers are symbolic of spiritual truths.

Candles represents light of God that illuminates the darkness. When lit it is an invitation to God almighty to shine his light and repel the darkness of Satan in our lives.

Palm fronds represent the Lordship Jesus Christ and his victory over the Devil.

Walking barefoot is a sign of humility and submission to the Kingship of Christ on one hand and the sacredness of the Church premises and the earth as a whole.

Incense are used in prayers..incense always ascend upwards and its pleasing to God as recorded in the bible so our prayers should ascend towards God without hinderance from the devil.

As proper Celestian can easily inteprete the symbolism of any prayer item and use them as prayer point in his request to God through the precious blood and name of Jesus.

TheRealOwner:
Tell us the mystery

What is contained in a woman's menstruation. It is the remnants of a life that could have been. It contains death as the life that was in the blood it could have brought forth if the egg had been fertilized is now being eliminated naturally.

Then a new egg is sent with the potential of bringing forth another human being. If it's not fertilized the elimination process begins again with the menstruation being the final concluding part...

When something that is dying comes in contact with a living power, it drains a bit from it. This is a natural metaphysical law that any spiritual person understands.

It goes beyond religion or Christianity But those motivational speakers disguised as pastors who like everything prim and proper are not able to understand.