TheGoodJoe:


He you can not trust in little, you can not trust in plenty.
All this noise about resource control is story. Let our politicians and leaders showed us what they did with 13% derivatives, Ministry of Niger Delta allocations, Massive Federal Allocations for the Niger Delta Ministry and NDDC, Massive allocations to the Niger Delta States.
If you are okay with these thieves stealing all these with nothing to show. You will be okay with these thieves stealing the one hundred percent Resource Control.
GEJ supported the diversion of our Resources, you guys did not shoot knockout.
As an Akwa-Ibom guy, do not support this madness.

One man's freedom fighter is another's militant.
Also, there are no easy answers in life's key decisions.
For me, [b]the Niger delta or its constituent should keep full control of its resources and therefore take responsibility for its future.
[/b]If theft is advanced as a reason for opposing resource control, then the Feds should have nothing because stealing starts from there.
If mismanagement is the basis for denial of resource control, then no state in Nigeria ought to receive oil related monies
If the holy book is to be quoted then it should be that "Give unto Caesar what belongs unto Caesar" --> Oil being understood to belong to Niger Delta, therefore it should be left for that region.
If GEJ's success or failure is the issue, then all regions (bar the Northeast) should be starved of resources that duly belong to them.
#tan akpaniko

Please provide contact details and full location of this community. Thanks

Ogoni land, creeks and water sources require extensive cleanup and not the propaganda over structures or whatever.
FG has not moved an inch and until the area is cleaned up, no amount of stories will suffice, including the latest one.

Timelines-
2003: shell withdraws from Ogoniland due to increasing hostility
2003: former President Olusegun Obasanjo set up a Presidential Committee on Ogoni Peace Process, with Rev. Father Matthew Hassan-Kukah, now the Catholic Bishop of Sokoto Diocese, as chairman.
2006: former president obasanjo asked the United Nations to carry out an environmental assessment of Ogoniland. The assessment was sponsored by the government, Shell and the other oil multinationals, it spanned a period of 14 months.
2011: August 4 - report submitted. The UNEP Report stated that years of Shell’s operations in ogoniland had damaged the environment as well as devastated its ecosystem far more that was previously imagined.
Report called for establishment of Ogoniland Environmental Restoration Authority; Environmental Restoration Fund for Ogoniland; and Integrated Contaminated Soil Management Centre. $1 billion contributed by the oil industry and the Federal Government was to cover the first five years of the clean-up project.
2012: July - former president Goodluck Jonathan established the Hydrocarbon Pollution Restoration Project (HYPREP) to implement the environmental clean-up of Ogoniland and conduct environment assessments in other parts of Nigeria impacted by oil contamination. Mrs. Joy Nwinee Femi-Okunu, an indigene of Ogoni, was appointed its director general.
2014: Feb - National Oil Spill Detection and Restoration Agency, NOSDRA, Claims to have started actions to facilitate cleanup activities.
2014: May - Chief Executive Officer (CEO) of Shell, Mr. Ben Van Burden, finallya jounced that $1 billion has been set aside in a " verifiable account " pending the set up of structures for fund management
2014: June - MOSOP urged FG to move fast while several Ogoni right groups and environmentalists protested against the establishment of HYPREP because it's not included in the UNEP report.
2015: July - FG under Pres. M. Buhari directs the formation of a board and governing council for HYPREP.

- See more at: http://www.mynewswatchtimesng.com/1b-clean-ogoniland-activists-still-cant-trust-fg-shell/#sthash.jH4dYT1B.dpuf

Today many are gloating over nothing, while carcinogenic substances have ravaged Ogoni land.
Where are those that sponsored the protests against the work of HYPREP simply because it in not mentioned as a "structure" in the UNEP report?
What new thing has happened on the ground in Ogoni land since 2003?
Is this an attempt to get the 1 bn USD released by shell even without the agencies recommended by the UNEP report?

No.... I'm still looking for it.

Freksy:

Utibe-Abasi = Gods Wonder (note: wonderful God would imply the person is God) The full name is: Utibe-mkpo Abasi
Unwana = Brightness

Please correct the following
Unwana = Light
Yamma = Bright

There was an advert that was on national television about discouraging the Andrews who were checking out of Nigeria due to the bad economic and political environment of those days.... 1984 -85
Please PM me if you have that video

Dare to be a Nigerian

If you support PDP, you are paid to do so and apparently a thief;

But if you support APC, you are a patriot who is fighting for Nigeria.

If an APC governor award a km of road for N1.2billion, he is prudent and God sent;

If a PDP governor award same km of road for N500million, he is a thief.

If Fani Kayode joins PDP, he is bastard;

If Atiku joins APC, he is a democrat.

If Jonathan spends N7billion for his office par year, he is a criminal;

If Fashola spend same amount in a year, he is a saint.

If Akpabio approves N200Million as pension, he must be stoned;

If Fashola approved N300million for Tinubu he is a change agent.

If you cancelled toll gate as PDP government, you are an enemy of progress;

But if you build a road in Lagos, with tax payers money and till the road, you are genius.

If you increase school feed as PDP government, you must be crucified;

If you do same as APC government, there must be a reason, cuz Education is not cheap anywhere in the world.

If you share Okada to the poor as PDP, you are poor peoples enemy;

If you ban Okada after election as an APC government, you are only helping the poor to stay alive, so you mean well.

If you single handedly make your daughter a market woman leader in APC state, it is for the progress of the people;

But if your wife is made a permanent secretary in your state by your state government of PDP, you are a greedy fellow.

If you spend N16billion on electricity without power and then support APC, you a navigator;

If you raise N500million through unbundling of same power, you are clueless.

If you fail to pay your workers for a month, but in APC, it is not your fault but someone up there;

But if you failed to pay your worker for a month and still in PDP, you are wicked human being.

If you force your family, in-law and girlfriends as senators and lawmakers on the rest of the party members, you a progressive leader;

But if you act like you don't care in PDP, you are dullard

If you tried to get a third term fraudulently by bribing the legislatures but failed, then support APC, you are democrat and the father of the nation;


If you try to get a constitutional second term in PDP, without their blessings, you an ingrate and silly.

In their time we had Halliburton scandal, ID card scandal, Siemens scandal, we have subsidy scam scandal, we have national stadium contract scandal, we have health budget financial scam, aviation sector scam, we had power sector scandal. How many people did he jail to prove he fought corruption? Rather EFCC was his big stick against his perceived enemies.

In their time we had a sitting governor kidnapped by a thug working for the president. We had a whole region of the country rigged in favor of his party. Morris Ibekwe, a wanted international fraud star won election under PDP.

Those who stole Nigerians blind under PDP; Atiku, Obasanjo, Baraje, Saraki, Wammako, Kwankwaso, Amaechi, Oyinlola, Segun Oni, Okorocha, Ngige, Adeleke, El Rufai, etc, are today the same people financing APC and calling for "CHANGE".

Flashback to 1999, who were these people? Billionaires ? They where nobody. Today, they spend billions and no one dare to ask a question. If you do you are enemy of progress.

They started with "New PDP" when that didn't fly, they joined a cult group called ACN to become APC. Same character with different name.

Sometimes it is better not to be a Nigerian than to be a confused and ignorant one.

Credit: KnightsTemplar

Dare to be a Nigerian

If you support PDP, you are paid to do so and apparently a thief;

But if you support APC, you are a patriot who is fighting for Nigeria.

If an APC governor award a km of road for N1.2billion, he is prudent and God sent;

If a PDP governor award same km of road for N500million, he is a thief.

If Fani Kayode joins PDP, he is bastard;

If Atiku joins APC, he is a democrat.

If Jonathan spends N7billion for his office par year, he is a criminal;

If Fashola spend same amount in a year, he is a saint.

If Akpabio approves N200Million as pension, he must be stoned;

If Fashola approved N300million for Tinubu he is a change agent.

If you cancelled toll gate as PDP government, you are an enemy of progress;

But if you build a road in Lagos, with tax payers money and till the road, you are genius.

If you increase school feed as PDP government, you must be crucified;

If you do same as APC government, there must be a reason, cuz Education is not cheap anywhere in the world.

If you share Okada to the poor as PDP, you are poor peoples enemy;

If you ban Okada after election as an APC government, you are only helping the poor to stay alive, so you mean well.

If you single handedly make your daughter a market woman leader in APC state, it is for the progress of the people;

But if your wife is made a permanent secretary in your state by your state government of PDP, you are a greedy fellow.

If you spend N16billion on electricity without power and then support APC, you a navigator;

If you raise N500million through unbundling of same power, you are clueless.

If you fail to pay your workers for a month, but in APC, it is not your fault but someone up there;

But if you failed to pay your worker for a month and still in PDP, you are wicked human being.

If you force your family, in-law and girlfriends as senators and lawmakers on the rest of the party members, you a progressive leader;

But if you act like you don't care in PDP, you are dullard

If you tried to get a third term fraudulently by bribing the legislatures but failed, then support APC, you are democrat and the father of the nation;


If you try to get a constitutional second term in PDP, without their blessings, you an ingrate and silly.

In their time we had Halliburton scandal, ID card scandal, Siemens scandal, we have subsidy scam scandal, we have national stadium contract scandal, we have health budget financial scam, aviation sector scam, we had power sector scandal. How many people did he jail to prove he fought corruption? Rather EFCC was his big stick against his perceived enemies.

In their time we had a sitting governor kidnapped by a thug working for the president. We had a whole region of the country rigged in favor of his party. Morris Ibekwe, a wanted international fraud star won election under PDP.

Those who stole Nigerians blind under PDP; Atiku, Obasanjo, Baraje, Saraki, Wammako, Kwankwaso, Amaechi, Oyinlola, Segun Oni, Okorocha, Ngige, Adeleke, El Rufai, etc, are today the same people financing APC and calling for "CHANGE".

Flashback to 1999, who were these people? Billionaires ? They where nobody. Today, they spend billions and no one dare to ask a question. If you do you are enemy of progress.

They started with "New PDP" when that didn't fly, they joined a cult group called ACN to become APC. Same character with different name.

Sometimes it is better not to be a Nigerian than to be a confused and ignorant one.

Credit: KnightsTemplar

Dare to be a Nigerian

If you support PDP, you are paid to do so and apparently a thief;

But if you support APC, you are a patriot who is fighting for Nigeria.

If an APC governor award a km of road for N1.2billion, he is prudent and God sent;

If a PDP governor award same km of road for N500million, he is a thief.

If Fani Kayode joins PDP, he is bastard;

If Atiku joins APC, he is a democrat.

If Jonathan spends N7billion for his office par year, he is a criminal;

If Fashola spend same amount in a year, he is a saint.

If Akpabio approves N200Million as pension, he must be stoned;

If Fashola approved N300million for Tinubu he is a change agent.

If you cancelled toll gate as PDP government, you are an enemy of progress;

But if you build a road in Lagos, with tax payers money and till the road, you are genius.

If you increase school feed as PDP government, you must be crucified;

If you do same as APC government, there must be a reason, cuz Education is not cheap anywhere in the world.

If you share Okada to the poor as PDP, you are poor peoples enemy;

If you ban Okada after election as an APC government, you are only helping the poor to stay alive, so you mean well.

If you single handedly make your daughter a market woman leader in APC state, it is for the progress of the people;

But if your wife is made a permanent secretary in your state by your state government of PDP, you are a greedy fellow.

If you spend N16billion on electricity without power and then support APC, you a navigator;

If you raise N500million through unbundling of same power, you are clueless.

If you fail to pay your workers for a month, but in APC, it is not your fault but someone up there;

But if you failed to pay your worker for a month and still in PDP, you are wicked human being.

If you force your family, in-law and girlfriends as senators and lawmakers on the rest of the party members, you a progressive leader;

But if you act like you don't care in PDP, you are dullard

If you tried to get a third term fraudulently by bribing the legislatures but failed, then support APC, you are democrat and the father of the nation;


If you try to get a constitutional second term in PDP, without their blessings, you an ingrate and silly.

In their time we had Halliburton scandal, ID card scandal, Siemens scandal, we have subsidy scam scandal, we have national stadium contract scandal, we have health budget financial scam, aviation sector scam, we had power sector scandal. How many people did he jail to prove he fought corruption? Rather EFCC was his big stick against his perceived enemies.

In their time we had a sitting governor kidnapped by a thug working for the president. We had a whole region of the country rigged in favor of his party. Morris Ibekwe, a wanted international fraud star won election under PDP.

Those who stole Nigerians blind under PDP; Atiku, Obasanjo, Baraje, Saraki, Wammako, Kwankwaso, Amaechi, Oyinlola, Segun Oni, Okorocha, Ngige, Adeleke, El Rufai, etc, are today the same people financing APC and calling for "CHANGE".

Flashback to 1999, who were these people? Billionaires ? They where nobody. Today, they spend billions and no one dare to ask a question. If you do you are enemy of progress.

They started with "New PDP" when that didn't fly, they joined a cult group called ACN to become APC. Same character with different name.

Sometimes it is better not to be a Nigerian than to be a confused and ignorant one.

Credit: KnightsTemplar

Dare to be a Nigerian

If you support PDP, you are paid to do so and apparently a thief;

But if you support APC, you are a patriot who is fighting for Nigeria.

If an APC governor award a km of road for N1.2billion, he is prudent and God sent;

If a PDP governor award same km of road for N500million, he is a thief.

If Fani Kayode joins PDP, he is bastard;

If Atiku joins APC, he is a democrat.

If Jonathan spends N7billion for his office par year, he is a criminal;

If Fashola spend same amount in a year, he is a saint.

If Akpabio approves N200Million as pension, he must be stoned;

If Fashola approved N300million for Tinubu he is a change agent.

If you cancelled toll gate as PDP government, you are an enemy of progress;

But if you build a road in Lagos, with tax payers money and till the road, you are genius.

If you increase school feed as PDP government, you must be crucified;

If you do same as APC government, there must be a reason, cuz Education is not cheap anywhere in the world.

If you share Okada to the poor as PDP, you are poor peoples enemy;

If you ban Okada after election as an APC government, you are only helping the poor to stay alive, so you mean well.

If you single handedly make your daughter a market woman leader in APC state, it is for the progress of the people;

But if your wife is made a permanent secretary in your state by your state government of PDP, you are a greedy fellow.

If you spend N16billion on electricity without power and then support APC, you a navigator;

If you raise N500million through unbundling of same power, you are clueless.

If you fail to pay your workers for a month, but in APC, it is not your fault but someone up there;

But if you failed to pay your worker for a month and still in PDP, you are wicked human being.

If you force your family, in-law and girlfriends as senators and lawmakers on the rest of the party members, you a progressive leader;

But if you act like you don't care in PDP, you are dullard

If you tried to get a third term fraudulently by bribing the legislatures but failed, then support APC, you are democrat and the father of the nation;


If you try to get a constitutional second term in PDP, without their blessings, you an ingrate and silly.

In their time we had Halliburton scandal, ID card scandal, Siemens scandal, we have subsidy scam scandal, we have national stadium contract scandal, we have health budget financial scam, aviation sector scam, we had power sector scandal. How many people did he jail to prove he fought corruption? Rather EFCC was his big stick against his perceived enemies.

In their time we had a sitting governor kidnapped by a thug working for the president. We had a whole region of the country rigged in favor of his party. Morris Ibekwe, a wanted international fraud star won election under PDP.

Those who stole Nigerians blind under PDP; Atiku, Obasanjo, Baraje, Saraki, Wammako, Kwankwaso, Amaechi, Oyinlola, Segun Oni, Okorocha, Ngige, Adeleke, El Rufai, etc, are today the same people financing APC and calling for "CHANGE".

Flashback to 1999, who were these people? Billionaires ? They where nobody. Today, they spend billions and no one dare to ask a question. If you do you are enemy of progress.

They started with "New PDP" when that didn't fly, they joined a cult group called ACN to become APC. Same character with different name.

Sometimes it is better not to be a Nigerian than to be a confused and ignorant one.

Credit: KnightsTemplar

Dare to be a Nigerian

If you support PDP, you are paid to do so and apparently a thief;

But if you support APC, you are a patriot who is fighting for Nigeria.

If an APC governor award a km of road for N1.2billion, he is prudent and God sent;

If a PDP governor award same km of road for N500million, he is a thief.

If Fani Kayode joins PDP, he is bastard;

If Atiku joins APC, he is a democrat.

If Jonathan spends N7billion for his office par year, he is a criminal;

If Fashola spend same amount in a year, he is a saint.

If Akpabio approves N200Million as pension, he must be stoned;

If Fashola approved N300million for Tinubu he is a change agent.

If you cancelled toll gate as PDP government, you are an enemy of progress;

But if you build a road in Lagos, with tax payers money and till the road, you are genius.

If you increase school feed as PDP government, you must be crucified;

If you do same as APC government, there must be a reason, cuz Education is not cheap anywhere in the world.

If you share Okada to the poor as PDP, you are poor peoples enemy;

If you ban Okada after election as an APC government, you are only helping the poor to stay alive, so you mean well.

If you single handedly make your daughter a market woman leader in APC state, it is for the progress of the people;

But if your wife is made a permanent secretary in your state by your state government of PDP, you are a greedy fellow.

If you spend N16billion on electricity without power and then support APC, you a navigator;

If you raise N500million through unbundling of same power, you are clueless.

If you fail to pay your workers for a month, but in APC, it is not your fault but someone up there;

But if you failed to pay your worker for a month and still in PDP, you are wicked human being.

If you force your family, in-law and girlfriends as senators and lawmakers on the rest of the party members, you a progressive leader;

But if you act like you don't care in PDP, you are dullard

If you tried to get a third term fraudulently by bribing the legislatures but failed, then support APC, you are democrat and the father of the nation;


If you try to get a constitutional second term in PDP, without their blessings, you an ingrate and silly.

In their time we had Halliburton scandal, ID card scandal, Siemens scandal, we have subsidy scam scandal, we have national stadium contract scandal, we have health budget financial scam, aviation sector scam, we had power sector scandal. How many people did he jail to prove he fought corruption? Rather EFCC was his big stick against his perceived enemies.

In their time we had a sitting governor kidnapped by a thug working for the president. We had a whole region of the country rigged in favor of his party. Morris Ibekwe, a wanted international fraud star won election under PDP.

Those who stole Nigerians blind under PDP; Atiku, Obasanjo, Baraje, Saraki, Wammako, Kwankwaso, Amaechi, Oyinlola, Segun Oni, Okorocha, Ngige, Adeleke, El Rufai, etc, are today the same people financing APC and calling for "CHANGE".

Flashback to 1999, who were these people? Billionaires ? They where nobody. Today, they spend billions and no one dare to ask a question. If you do you are enemy of progress.

They started with "New PDP" when that didn't fly, they joined a cult group called ACN to become APC. Same character with different name.

Sometimes it is better not to be a Nigerian than to be a confused and ignorant one.

Credit: KnightsTemplar

Before Voting Buhari: Twenty Things History Teaches US By Kennedy Emetulu

History is harsh, because it hides nothing from honest and discerning people. For those who are dancing at the prospect of voting in Muhammadu Buhari, please consider the following historical facts.

(1) Think of the kind of nation the colonial masters bequeathed to us before leaving. They instituted different political, social and legal system in the North and South, but still ran the country as one and left us without any attempt at righting the wrongs they’ve instituted.

(2) Think of the pogroms in the North against the Igbo and Southerners. What were the reasons for this? There was no reason more than that the Igbo and Southerners were seen as taking over the economy and geographical space of the Northerner in a supposed one, free Nigeria.

(3) Think of the First Republic and the issues that led to its demise. These issues ranged from the obvious injustices perpetrated at the centre by a majoritarian oligarchy, which then led to electoral violence in the West and national distrust in the Niger-Delta.

(4) Think of beginning of military intervention in politics and the cost to the nation:

(a) The First Coup of January 1966 and the real motivation of the chaps behind it.

(b) The coming of Major-General Johnson Aguiyi-Ironsi and the counter-coup that saw his death and the mass killing of Igbo officers within the army, including the pogrom that followed up North.

(c) The Civil War and the cost in human and material resources to the nation. Was it necessary? Why the waste? What have we learnt? Think of the Asaba and Owerri massacres (Buhari was part of the latter)? Were they necessary? What have we learnt from that war?

(5) Think of the whole nine years of General Yakubu Gowon, the seven months of General Murtala Muhammed, the four years of Shehu Shagari. The almost two years of Buhari, the eight years of General Ibrahim Babangida, the five years of General Sani Abacha, the one year of Abdulsalami Abubakar and the two years of Umaru Yar’Adua. For almost 40 years of the 54 that we have had flag independence, the North has ruled the nation, but what did their leadership do for Nigeria? Why is the Northern elite now hell-bent on taking back power at the top? How long have they been out of it that they now want it back? What did they do with it for their people when they had it?

(6) Think about June 12 and the murder of MKO Abiola. Imagine the opportunity our country had at that juncture in our history and who truncated it. Who are the beneficiaries of the truncation of June 12, but Buhari and the industrial-military complex that backs him now as members of the APC?

(7) For the Yoruba, think about the power you have now and how to use it responsibly. When Obafemi Awolowo had it, he used it responsibly and this nation is grateful for it. For those who are hailing Bola Tinubu as some kind of political genius, do they think Tinubu is safe under a Buhari presidency as he has been under Jonathan? Do they not see how easy it would be for Buhari to pluck out Tinubu in a power tussle over control of the APC under the guise of fighting corruption? Do they think there is anything a Vice President Yemi Osinbajo can do in the circumstances? What would be the fate of the Yoruba at that point?

(8: Think about the National Question and what this false change would mean for the Southern minorities and the nation. Since the Willink Commission of 1958, their troubles have been in the front burner of national discussion and we have shouted ourselves hoarse for a Sovereign National Conference (SNC). Whether we want to believe it or not, Jonathan’s presidency sort of doused the raging fire, so what would his ouster do? Think about the Orkar Coup of 1992 and what motivated those young men now lost to the firing squad.

(9) For the Yoruba, think about those who today mostly populate the highest and middle level echelon of the oil industry. They are not Niger-Deltans; they are young Yoruba professionals and Tinubu who worked with Mobil knows this. Are you prepared to sacrifice them and their career to install a Buhari who, from his actions and utterances, look bent on dipping the Koran in the sea in the form of establishing Sharia all over Nigeria? Does anyone think the South-South will sit down and share the oil wealth with a nation of the sort Buhari has in mind? Does anyone really think Buhari has the temperament to hold a complex Nigeria together?

(10) To the Northerners, think about what we are already seeing about Buhari on the campaign trail. Does he look like a healthy person? His gaunt, austere look is not just about his stature. The man is old and ill and this campaign will take a lot from him. If, God forbid, he does not survive this campaign or his first term where would that put this country? Does anyone think that the power-mongers of the North will simply stand by and let the Vice President take over constitutionally? Are we prepared to go through the Yar’Adiua experience again, especially this time when they are likely to be more desperate? What would it mean for those in the North who think it’s their turn to take over, rather than wait till 2019 when they are likely to have a more vibrant candidate with real national appeal contesting for the presidency and with a chance to win and govern in peace?

(11) Think of Buhari as the head of state and how he ran the nation. The day he was overthrown, I was at the parade ground at the Orientation Camp in Toro, Bauchi where I was serving my NYSC. I remember that the chap who was our Commandant was a young Captain said to be a cousin to Brigadier Joshua Dongoyaro who announced the overthrow. His second-in-command was then Lieutenant Ugo Buzugbe who is today a Major General. Once word reached us of the overthrow, the whole camp went agog with jubilation! On the day, I was delegated by my friends to go to Jos to buy some things for a party we were planning. I got there and the whole city was jubilating! We heard of spontaneous jubilation all over the country. Today, some brilliant, but devious spin-doctors are painting Buhari as a great leader who is now making us feel nostalgia for his time! Only fools who would want to be treated like animals and butchered without reason would look at Buhari and say he is the change we need. Yes, we might need change, but not Buhari! We are not a cursed people! We should never go back to our national vomit!

(12) Think about his manifesto and what he offers. Is there anything there that he can do better than Jonathan? He talks about fighting corruption, but Buhari is a corrupt man being shielded by spin-doctors! The facts of his corruption are there! How can anyone believe the lies about his poverty? What poor man contests every presidential election since 2003 in such a grandiose manner? Can’t we see the corrupt people he consorts with and those interested in sending him to Aso Rock? Does that add up?

(13) Think about this fellow who has been a recurrent name in Nigerian politics since his overthrow by his military colleagues, but who cannot tell us one good cause he has put his name or his money in. Where are the charities he supports? What business is he involved in? What has he been doing with almost N30 million he receives monthly as gratuity? How has he improved himself since leaving office? Why can he not just tender his First School Leaving Certificate, rather than lying and getting others to lie for him? How many scholarships has he awarded, even as we know that his daughter lives the high life in a UK university where she pays more than £16,000 as school fees? How many university chairs has he endowed? How many professional bodies does he support? How many international missions has he helped with? All we have seen him do since is go to BBC Hausa, say some inciting and divisive things and when called out, he proclaims innocence and accuses journalists of misinterpreting him.

(14) Think about his support for Boko Haram and the group nominating him as their representative in negotiation with the Federal Government. Why did he cowardly refuse to be part of the negotiation when he’s spent the whole time attacking the Nigerian Army and the Federal Government over Boko Haram? Does anyone think the present Nigerian Army would accept this type of untrustworthy and divisive figure as Commander-in-Chief? After all, following the annulment of the June 12 election, one of the reasons Babangida said they couldn’t hand over to MKO Abiola was because he wouldn’t have been accepted as Commander-in-Chief. Buhari was one of the beneficiaries of that annulment. I can’t see him being a good Commander-in-Chief. As bad as it sounds, he will do the same mistakes he did the first time and worse and Nigerians would be reduced to jubilating again when a coup topples him. Egypt after the electoral victory of the Muslim Brotherhood comes to mind. And that would be the least terrible of all choices we can get.

(15) Think of Buhari who has no idea of modern governance. Only dishonest people will believe otherwise. Listen to him and see how vacuous he is. No matter how they try to hide his illiteracy, it’s glaring. He has now joined Twitter, because of election, but what does he really know about modern communication? His best phrase is “I will fight….” No, governance is not about fighting; it’s about governing. I don’t want to hear people tell me he would surround himself with the best brains, because anyone without a brain ruling Nigeria will not know the best brains and even when they are there, a man with the ignorant stubbornness of Buhari will not listen to them or know how to use them.

(16) Think of the world we live in and the kind of leadership driving developments in other lands. Think of us in 2015 celebrating a Buhari as our President! The country of Tafawa Balewa, Nnamdi Azikiwe and Obafemi Awolowo celebrating a Buhari in 2015? Some may say Jonathan is not better, but that would be unfair. Jonathan is far better, even if he is not the best we can offer as a nation. Forget the propaganda that he has not done anything, he has. His administration has achieved a lot and those who are honest know this. Indeed, his administration has achieved more for the North than any Northern leader in our history. His problem is that he does not have good marketers. Whatever minuses we think Jonathan has, Buhari will triple them.

(17) Think of the Boko Haram menace and understand that it is not a question of Jonathan failing on national security, but a huge sabotage against our nation by elements looking to benefit from his ouster. One of the worst things done to our nation by that buffoon, Olusegun Obasanjo was the emasculation of our armed forces. He did it when he came into power in 1999 under the pretext that he was professionalizing the army and stopping them from planning coups. His Ministers of Defence, Theophilus Danjuma and Rabiu Kwankwaso oversaw the destruction of the army, even as massive money was voted in the defence budget. Of course, we had no threat. By the time that threat came in the form of Boko Haram, Yar’Adua dealt with it with overwhelming force. But that was the problem. Yar’Adua ordered the killing of Boko Haram activists extra-judicially, but that only earned them international recognition from Global Jihad. With external money and training, they were transformed and under Jonathan, they became the Nigerian franchise of Global Jihad. Then in collaboration with Northern power-mongers they began a process of blackmailing Jonathan. He asked for negotiation, they would not budge; he promised them amnesty, they would not budge. They simply continue to kill defenseless citizens at will, because they know that will undermine Jonathan and the state. They support this with propaganda, inflating number of casualties and working with their political partners to undermine the state and state response at all levels. Meanwhile, when the nation had the OPC problem in the West, Yoruba leaders went out there to sort it out. When we had problems with Bakassi Boys in the East, Igbo leaders rose to the challenge and when we had the militancy in the Niger-Delta, South-South leaders, including Goodluck Jonathan went into the creeks to talk the boys into disarming. Now, what have the Northern leaders done about Boko Haram since it started its rampage? Some wring their hands helplessly, while others like Buhari make political capital out of it! Of course, all Boko Haram wants now is a Northern president who would establish Sharia all over Nigeria and Buhari will give them that. But what that means is that they used the power of their guns to impose on us a national leadership that would take us back to the Middle Ages. I have no scruples with Buhari and his kith and kin that want criminal Sharia, but they cannot impose it on the rest of the nation above our Constitution. I will not vote for my own death! I will not vote for my people’s death! I will not vote to take Nigeria through the darkness that I know a Buhari presidency represents!

(18) Think about the fact that we lost more people to communal, ethnic and sectarian violence under Obasanjo, including deaths by political assassinations, yet everyone is conveniently forgetting this fact and proclaiming Jonathan a weakling. Would we prefer that Jonathan and the military give communities the Odi and Zaki Biam treatment in the name of fighting Boko Haram?

(19) Think about the National Youth Service Corps members and the almost 1000 people that lost their lives up North after the last presidential election simply because Buhari did not win. Did Buhari’s reaction at the time show him as a statesman? Did it show him as someone who cares for the life of Southerners? Is that not the same man who has promised that dogs and baboons would be soaked in blood if the election is rigged this time, which in fact is a code word for massive violence if he loses?

(20) Think Nigerians! Those of you North and South who love this country and who know what we have sacrificed to get here should think of the future. It’s okay to think it’s great removing an incumbent, but think what will replace that incumbent. It’s okay to preach change, but please interrogate that change. Is it really the change we need or a pretence to change that would impose a worse future on us? If the potential for trouble in that new future is worse than the present, stick to what you know. The devil you know is always better than the angel that you don’t know! Those who say if Buhari fails, we will vote him out in four years should remember that we might not have that luxury, because there has to be a living, viable nation before we can talk elections. A word is enough for the patriot!

Dare to be a Nigerian

If you support PDP, you are paid to do so and apparently a thief;

But if you support APC, you are a patriot who is fighting for Nigeria.

If an APC governor award a km of road for N1.2billion, he is prudent and God sent;

If a PDP governor award same km of road for N500million, he is a thief.

If Fani Kayode joins PDP, he is bastard;

If Atiku joins APC, he is a democrat.

If Jonathan spends N7billion for his office par year, he is a criminal;

If Fashola spend same amount in a year, he is a saint.

If Akpabio approves N200Million as pension, he must be stoned;

If Fashola approved N300million for Tinubu he is a change agent.

If you cancelled toll gate as PDP government, you are an enemy of progress;

But if you build a road in Lagos, with tax payers money and till the road, you are genius.

If you increase school feed as PDP government, you must be crucified;

If you do same as APC government, there must be a reason, cuz Education is not cheap anywhere in the world.

If you share Okada to the poor as PDP, you are poor peoples enemy;

If you ban Okada after election as an APC government, you are only helping the poor to stay alive, so you mean well.

If you single handedly make your daughter a market woman leader in APC state, it is for the progress of the people;

But if your wife is made a permanent secretary in your state by your state government of PDP, you are a greedy fellow.

If you spend N16billion on electricity without power and then support APC, you a navigator;

If you raise N500million through unbundling of same power, you are clueless.

If you fail to pay your workers for a month, but in APC, it is not your fault but someone up there;

But if you failed to pay your worker for a month and still in PDP, you are wicked human being.

If you force your family, in-law and girlfriends as senators and lawmakers on the rest of the party members, you a progressive leader;

But if you act like you don't care in PDP, you are dullard

If you tried to get a third term fraudulently by bribing the legislatures but failed, then support APC, you are democrat and the father of the nation;


If you try to get a constitutional second term in PDP, without their blessings, you an ingrate and silly.

In their time we had Halliburton scandal, ID card scandal, Siemens scandal, we have subsidy scam scandal, we have national stadium contract scandal, we have health budget financial scam, aviation sector scam, we had power sector scandal. How many people did he jail to prove he fought corruption? Rather EFCC was his big stick against his perceived enemies.

In their time we had a sitting governor kidnapped by a thug working for the president. We had a whole region of the country rigged in favor of his party. Morris Ibekwe, a wanted international fraud star won election under PDP.

Those who stole Nigerians blind under PDP; Atiku, Obasanjo, Baraje, Saraki, Wammako, Kwankwaso, Amaechi, Oyinlola, Segun Oni, Okorocha, Ngige, Adeleke, El Rufai, etc, are today the same people financing APC and calling for "CHANGE".

Flashback to 1999, who were these people? Billionaires ? They where nobody. Today, they spend billions and no one dare to ask a question. If you do you are enemy of progress.

They started with "New PDP" when that didn't fly, they joined a cult group called ACN to become APC. Same character with different name.

Sometimes it is better not to be a Nigerian than to be a confused and ignorant one.

Credit: KnightsTemplar

Dare to be a Nigerian

If you support PDP, you are paid to do so and apparently a thief;

But if you support APC, you are a patriot who is fighting for Nigeria.

If an APC governor award a km of road for N1.2billion, he is prudent and God sent;

If a PDP governor award same km of road for N500million, he is a thief.

If Fani Kayode joins PDP, he is bastard;

If Atiku joins APC, he is a democrat.

If Jonathan spends N7billion for his office par year, he is a criminal;

If Fashola spend same amount in a year, he is a saint.

If Akpabio approves N200Million as pension, he must be stoned;

If Fashola approved N300million for Tinubu he is a change agent.

If you cancelled toll gate as PDP government, you are an enemy of progress;

But if you build a road in Lagos, with tax payers money and till the road, you are genius.

If you increase school feed as PDP government, you must be crucified;

If you do same as APC government, there must be a reason, cuz Education is not cheap anywhere in the world.

If you share Okada to the poor as PDP, you are poor peoples enemy;

If you ban Okada after election as an APC government, you are only helping the poor to stay alive, so you mean well.

If you single handedly make your daughter a market woman leader in APC state, it is for the progress of the people;

But if your wife is made a permanent secretary in your state by your state government of PDP, you are a greedy fellow.

If you spend N16billion on electricity without power and then support APC, you a navigator;

If you raise N500million through unbundling of same power, you are clueless.

If you fail to pay your workers for a month, but in APC, it is not your fault but someone up there;

But if you failed to pay your worker for a month and still in PDP, you are wicked human being.

If you force your family, in-law and girlfriends as senators and lawmakers on the rest of the party members, you a progressive leader;

But if you act like you don't care in PDP, you are dullard

If you tried to get a third term fraudulently by bribing the legislatures but failed, then support APC, you are democrat and the father of the nation;


If you try to get a constitutional second term in PDP, without their blessings, you an ingrate and silly.

In their time we had Halliburton scandal, ID card scandal, Siemens scandal, we have subsidy scam scandal, we have national stadium contract scandal, we have health budget financial scam, aviation sector scam, we had power sector scandal. How many people did he jail to prove he fought corruption? Rather EFCC was his big stick against his perceived enemies.

In their time we had a sitting governor kidnapped by a thug working for the president. We had a whole region of the country rigged in favor of his party. Morris Ibekwe, a wanted international fraud star won election under PDP.

Those who stole Nigerians blind under PDP; Atiku, Obasanjo, Baraje, Saraki, Wammako, Kwankwaso, Amaechi, Oyinlola, Segun Oni, Okorocha, Ngige, Adeleke, El Rufai, etc, are today the same people financing APC and calling for "CHANGE".

Flashback to 1999, who were these people? Billionaires ? They where nobody. Today, they spend billions and no one dare to ask a question. If you do you are enemy of progress.

They started with "New PDP" when that didn't fly, they joined a cult group called ACN to become APC. Same character with different name.

Sometimes it is better not to be a Nigerian than to be a confused and ignorant one.

Credit: KnightsTemplar

Dare to be a Nigerian

If you support PDP, you are paid to do so and apparently a thief;

But if you support APC, you are a patriot who is fighting for Nigeria.

If an APC governor award a km of road for N1.2billion, he is prudent and God sent;

If a PDP governor award same km of road for N500million, he is a thief.

If Fani Kayode joins PDP, he is bastard;

If Atiku joins APC, he is a democrat.

If Jonathan spends N7billion for his office par year, he is a criminal;

If Fashola spend same amount in a year, he is a saint.

If Akpabio approves N200Million as pension, he must be stoned;

If Fashola approved N300million for Tinubu he is a change agent.

If you cancelled toll gate as PDP government, you are an enemy of progress;

But if you build a road in Lagos, with tax payers money and till the road, you are genius.

If you increase school feed as PDP government, you must be crucified;

If you do same as APC government, there must be a reason, cuz Education is not cheap anywhere in the world.

If you share Okada to the poor as PDP, you are poor peoples enemy;

If you ban Okada after election as an APC government, you are only helping the poor to stay alive, so you mean well.

If you single handedly make your daughter a market woman leader in APC state, it is for the progress of the people;

But if your wife is made a permanent secretary in your state by your state government of PDP, you are a greedy fellow.

If you spend N16billion on electricity without power and then support APC, you a navigator;

If you raise N500million through unbundling of same power, you are clueless.

If you fail to pay your workers for a month, but in APC, it is not your fault but someone up there;

But if you failed to pay your worker for a month and still in PDP, you are wicked human being.

If you force your family, in-law and girlfriends as senators and lawmakers on the rest of the party members, you a progressive leader;

But if you act like you don't care in PDP, you are dullard

If you tried to get a third term fraudulently by bribing the legislatures but failed, then support APC, you are democrat and the father of the nation;


If you try to get a constitutional second term in PDP, without their blessings, you an ingrate and silly.

In their time we had Halliburton scandal, ID card scandal, Siemens scandal, we have subsidy scam scandal, we have national stadium contract scandal, we have health budget financial scam, aviation sector scam, we had power sector scandal. How many people did he jail to prove he fought corruption? Rather EFCC was his big stick against his perceived enemies.

In their time we had a sitting governor kidnapped by a thug working for the president. We had a whole region of the country rigged in favor of his party. Morris Ibekwe, a wanted international fraud star won election under PDP.

Those who stole Nigerians blind under PDP; Atiku, Obasanjo, Baraje, Saraki, Wammako, Kwankwaso, Amaechi, Oyinlola, Segun Oni, Okorocha, Ngige, Adeleke, El Rufai, etc, are today the same people financing APC and calling for "CHANGE".

Flashback to 1999, who were these people? Billionaires ? They where nobody. Today, they spend billions and no one dare to ask a question. If you do you are enemy of progress.

They started with "New PDP" when that didn't fly, they joined a cult group called ACN to become APC. Same character with different name.

Sometimes it is better not to be a Nigerian than to be a confused and ignorant one.

Credit: KnightsTemplar

A generation that refuses to read and understand history is attempting to venerate a prince of evil. incidentally, the ignorance is a direct result of the princes actions and inactions.

I know the owner of one those certs.
Kindly indicate how you can be contacted.
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Indeed the last revelation syndrome is always a catch 22 (ie it is the same number whether it is read forward or backward).
And if we play on the last revelation stuff, then we are all bound to run into series of stumbling blocks and ultimately be misled. One man's last revelation is easily another man's heresy. I can tell you at least 10 "last revelation" groups worldwide. One of the last revelations (about 200 yrs old) has become one of the richest religious empires that the world has ever known.
Therefore, all men must find a way to analyse the truth, verify claims, evaluate options and reach conclusions on the issue of TRUTH otherwise life would be a waste.

In summary, the vegetarian should know that he has options, then analayse and verify claims of each option before jumping off his vegetarian diet. For its only one life and soon it'll be gone; we need to make hay while the sun is shining. Praying that you receive the peace that passes all human understanding

@RoyPCain: Indeed God knows the Ones he Sent with His Truth.
However,due of his deep love, He has given us the privilege of knowing the TRUTH so that we do not stumble and fall. Because "surely there is an end" and all " ... will account of what they did while in this (earthly) body".
Therefore God did not leave us without a clear definition of His standards, yardstick and reference frame.
May you receive the peace the at passes all human understanding.

golpen:

You won't be able to imagine how I can't stop laughing at your rubbish and baseless excuses. But you really need to read your post again and I bet you'll either laugh at yourself or cry for yourself.

1. You celebrate the christmas because you have the freedom to think within the christian faith...of course a christian faith that has told you christ was born on 25(: of december? A christian faith that has a boundary covered to make your priests choose an idol celebration day and blind your eyes so you can swim in ignorance. A christian faith indeed, but that which your pastors have decided to go against(in their quest of pocket evangelism) allowing their wives to give sermons and even go ahead to head the churches (1 cor 14:34) and in your stack ignorance shout halelluyah, instead of stoning them. Listen to yourself.

2. All of this I've stated above does not make you to close your eyes abash and you claim to know the truth. I pity your condition.

3. Yes it shall be requested from them all, for Islam as a religion goes against it too. The muslim clerics that have come out to go against it have been killed, the public sites bombings also have muslims as victims. The man who instigated the eagle square bombing(forgot his name), who was later caught in SA is not a muslim and we muslims have not put the christians in hell. Besides, the minister for police affairs has clearly stated that so high profiled figure in Nigeria are taking advantage of poverty as a situation to use this people for their own personal purposes. You christians only rant at this because of your clear hate for Islam.

4. No one lied you said, but if that's true, then maybe you have to tell me if this verses are the same or are both the truth;

2 Kings 24:8
8 Jehoiachin was eighteen years old when he began to reign, and he reigned in Jerusalem three months. And his mother's name was Nehushta, the daughter of Elnathan of Jerusalem.

2 Chronicles 36:9
9 Jehoiachin was eight years old when he began to reign, and he reigned three months and ten days in Jerusalem: and he did that which was evil in the sight of the Lord.

In fact what do I need to understand in this. You should pity yourself if this does not disgrace you.

5. If you agree with me like a sane person on the above verses which apparently means someone lied in either, then we must agree that the bible has been corrupted.

6. I still agree with your first post on this, but the question is who that quote is refering to.

To keep you in check, going forward, i will document when you run away from the issue at hand.
You are doging the following:
- refusing to see that you lied against the people that started this discussion with you, by saying the ran away since they were defeated. Summary: they do not want to continue an exchange if you would rather abuse, prove unintelligent or diversionary in your responses

1. Ignorance is really a scourge. Be englightened. To celebrate a birth day ... anyone for that matter ... was neither commanded or denounced in the HOLY BIBLE. A Child of the Kingdom is at liberty to choose what he wants to do because - Rom 14:5 "One man esteemeth a day above another ; another esteemeth everyday alike, let each man be fully assured in his own mind". Receive knowledge. Every Child of God decides if he wants to celebrate Christ's birth on any day of his choice or not. As long as the Child of God is fully assured, then so be it. This may be hard or strange for you to grasp because you expect things to be right or wrong but the SCRIPTURE OF TRUTH is superior and places no such burden as you desire or would want to see.
Interestingly, Why would the celebration of people who are living within the bounds of the book they profess to follow be a problem to you even you are not knowledable enough?
You can ask any question you want and be sure to receive the right answers though i will try to avoid your abusive, unintellingent and diversionary tales. I will assume that new topics you introduce are things you want to know more about.

New request: "allowing their wives to give sermons and even go ahead to head the churches (1 cor 14:34)".
Answer: Gal 3: 28 "For as many of you as were baptised into christ did put on christ. there can be neither Jew nor Greek, Bond or Free, male nor female for you all are one man in Christ Jesus". Icor 11: 5 "every woman praying or prophesying..." therefore when male/female et al are baptised into Christ, they are allowed to prophesy ie declare the word of the LORD, which is what you call preaching. Your confusion arises because you do not understand that the Bible is understood only through God's Spirit and that flesh and blood cannot reveal it to you no matter how well you read. Above all the writings are Isa 28: 10 ".... precept upon precept, line upon line...". You cannot take one verse and run away with it thinking you have scored a goal. The verse you quoted were to lay a framework for the operation of the Corinthian and similar asian churches due to the disorderliness during some of their meetings. Therefore the exhortation in vs 41 of the same chapter.
Why would you want to stone someone? for not doing what you think is right? if the person actually did wrong, do you want to help God to punish him/her? My God is not dead, he is alive and has clearly instructed us not to take another person's life,not even revenge. If what you worship authorizes you to kill another for whatever reason, please don't wish it on us, we can't join you and never will.

2. I can never be ashamed of the TRUTH. I have the pillar and foucndations of it with me. Again, Maybe you (like most humans) look for truth is some words, book, concept, idea, persuassion et al. How wrong that can be. For Like Elijah the prophet, most people would think that the words sent though a thundering voice is the right one, but nay, it is the wrong one. Surely, TRUTH cannot be subsituted and no machination of men or human wisdom can lead to it.

3. The wholesale killings of those that risk their lives to show your people the truth may go on for as long men want, but it will not stop the march of the Gospel of Jesus Christ. You may support those that brought out my brother from his house in Yobe and killed in cold blood because he believes in the Lord Jesus Christ simply because "muslims have also been killed", it does not stop anything. Again, I say that You may hang on the straw of the gross and basest lifestyle of lost men and women as a basis for persecuting, killing and torturing those that seek to show you the meaning of peace, love and justice. The blood and souls of men/women/children killed daily, churches burnt daily, children denied and sold in slavery because they don't share your views will be required at the hand of thier persecutors someday. Certainly, the veil shall be lifted, without human hands.

4. You need to look for something better. When writing about how long a ruler stayed in office, must you specify the seconds, hours, minutes. Sorry Sir, one record is superficial and the other is more detailed and specified the number of days and if you look further, many more similar specifications are eveident between the book of kings and Chronicles because these are historical records kept in a. the king's palace and b. the temple. Why? because the two records were kept for varying pruposes.
Remember, the scripture is never a verse against the other, it is line upon line precept upon precept Sia 28;10. The verses exist in complimentary status and not as opposites.
You dodged: The importance of have the veil lifted from your heart first so that you eyes can see. Until the veil is lifted from your hear, you cannot perceive the light of the glorious gospel because it is spritually discened. You will keep stumbling on it.

5. We can never agree because the Bible is true and your reference frame is as far as darkness is from light. Like jesus told the Pharisees .." you err, because you do not understand THE SCRIPTURES"
Again, i insist that .... It is certain that one of the marks of authenticity is a certain self validation. If the Bible never existed, then there would be no quran. However the reverse is not true. The Bible stays true to itself without any other book, quran inclusive. Therefore I understand the strenous and self defeating attempts at discrediting the Bible, since the "sanctity" of the quran depends on the success of that exercise.

6. Certainly, I insist, The mark of a mediocre / usurper is that, it only stands or projects itself by putting down or discrediting another. Refer to point 5 above for explanation on why you have to try, at great self defeating effort, to discredit the Bible. It is why many are banned from hearing the truth that would set them free.


Can't you see that if you were in the way of truth, you don't need to attempt to discredit the Bible?
An authentic star shines through irrespective of the other stars. It does not need to try dimming the other ones for it to shine. It just shines. So is the light and truth, it just shines.
Now I ask, why would you want to remain in ignorance?

@RoyPCain: Your question, as understood by me, is answered viz "However, for "esoteric", doctrinal or moral issues other kinds and levels of premises take precedence because revealed truth is timeless".

Clearly, the same premise cannot be the basis for all issues and conjectures. An appropriate premise is required for each one and real wisdom lies in knowing which premise is appropriate at a particular time.

For instance, in the case started by the OP, the premise of "earlier and evidential testimony" must be applied because "His question related to physical persons who were known and recorded as historical realities. They spoke, were heard and even personally gave accounts which are all recorded in the Bible. Somne of their scrolls are here with us today".
Later writers, in this case, cannot have a truth better than the witnesses and participants.
Therefore, unfortunately I cannot agree that your statement "if you can say no, then you must accept that the earlier does not necessarily mean the truer" is always true.

In the case of God's revelation of Himself, another premise needs to be applied becasue its a moral or "esoteric truth" whose evidence is based on faith, sights, visions, feeling etc.

I would stop here on this to avoid derailing the OP's thread, but would be willing to discuss deeply, if necessary, the correct premise that should be applied in examining the truth of God's revelation of Himself in order to know the right way to follow among the many competing throughts and beflief systems in our planet.

golpen:

You have just demonstrated a typical scope of your religion. Even an insane man knows the fact that the three christian debaters have been swept out here.

1. You talk of ignorance, without knowing how deep you're swimming in it. You celebrate christmas, a date which was given to the birth of christ with no standing backings or reference. in fact, that date is the day used in worshipping a roman idol. And you join in the celebration as ignorantly as a foolish man can think of.

2. I'll agree with you on this fact here, but I'll put it that you sure don't know the concept of that TRUTH you talk about.

3. Other religious views like engaging in homo acts, you think should be accepted in islamic countries. Secular acts you call it, where your ladies dress almost naked to your place of worships and confuse you pastors?.. I shouldn't be arguing with you, cos you don't know what your saying.

4. The bible contains the truth you said, but what about the contradictions? Don't be so dumb to know that somebody must have lied.

5. Then a book like the bible which can stand alone and be recognised as a white lie is something to take notice of too.

6. Verily, " The mark of a mediocre / usurper is that, it only stands or projects itself by putting down or discrediting another." You have said and I quote.

Do not congratulate yourself because they gave reasons for withdrawing from the exchange. those reasons are on the thread and i read all of them. Summary: they do not want to continue an exchange if you would rather abuse, prove unintelligent or diversionary in your responses.

1. Hopefully you understand how deep too. Those that celebrate Christmas told you they were commanded to do so? They celebrate because they have freedom to think within the defined boundaries of the Christian faith. Also those that don't celebrate toe their line because they have freedom to think within the defined boundaries of the Christian faith. Celebration or non-celebration are not opposite, they are different shades or colours. Rom 14:5-6 The shallow mind can only perceive yes or no, black or white etc. This butresses the summation that ignorance is a grevious disease, indeed the most grevious.

2. Again I hope you understand TRUTH. Maybe you (like most humans) look for truth is some words, book, concept, idea, persuassion et al. How wrong that can be. For Like Elijah the prophet, most people would think that the words sent though a thundering voice is the right one, but nay, it is the wrong one. Surely, TRUTH cannot be subsituted and no machination of men or human wisdom can lead to it.

3. You may hang on the straw of the gross and basest lifestyle of lost men and women as a basis for persecuting, killing and torturing those that seek to show you the meaning of peace, love and justice. The blood and souls of men/women/children killed daily, churches burnt daily, children denied and sold in slavery because they don't share your views will be required at the hand of thier persecutors someday. Certainly, the veil shall be lifted, without human hands.

4. Contradictions you say? When the level of reasoning is sufficiently high , then things fall into place. A child needs years of of education to come to knowledge. Many of the things I read from you and others here really shows a low level of knowledge and wallowing in willfull ignorance. No one lied, you are the one that do not understand and many people like you have come back later to tell me thank you for the veil that was lifted from their hearts (first) and then their eyes (later).

5. It is certain that one of the marks of authenticity is a certain self validation. If the Bible never existed, then there would be no quran. However the reverse is not true. The Bible stays true to itself without any other book, quran inclusive. Therefore I understand the strenous and self defeating attempts at discrediting the Bible, since the "sanctity" of the quran depends on the success of that exercise.

6. The mark of a mediocre / usurper is that, it only stands or projects itself by putting down or discrediting another. Refer to point 5 above for explanation on why you have to try, at great self defeating effort, to discredit the Bible. It is why many are banned from hearing the truth that would set them free.

@RoyPCain: postulated premise was aimed at knocking off the very foundation of OPs question. His question related to physical persons who were known and recorded as historical realities. They spoke, were heard and even personally gave accounts which are all recorded in the Bible. Somne of their scrolls are here with us today.
All other records about them can only be a copy and their authenticity (or lack of it) depends on the motive of the purveyor.

However, for "esoteric", doctrinal or moral issues other kinds and levels of premises take precedence because revealed truth is timeless. For the records, IT IS NOT necessarily true that " Time is irrelevant until truth is revealed".

pointblank 321: Quran 3:52 - But when Jesus became conscious of their disbelief, he cried: Who will be my helpers in the cause of Allah? The disciples said: We will be Allah's helpers. We believe in Allah, and bear thou witness that we have surrendered (unto Him).

Please can any muslim tell me the names of Jesus Disciples the Quran talks about as stated above? Thank you.

Logically, why would you expect a "historian" who wrote after centuries of an event to be more accurate or knowledgeable than the one who was there during the event?
Even so, the Bible written by those who were actual witnesses of these events is certainly more reliable when compared to the stories of an arabian who lived centruies later in a land throusands of kilometers away for the location where all the events happened.

Why are you looking for the living among the dead?

After going through all the posts on this thread, I have arrived at the following conclusions;
1. Ignorance is the greatest disease that can afflict a man, woman, child, generation, community or nation.
2. There is no substitute to knowing THE TRUTH.
3. Banning other religous views, persuasions and beliefs, as done in most muslim majority countries / communities, is aimed at ensuring that THE TRUTH, is not known by muslims.
4. The Bible contains the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. As Jesus said, all others are thieves and robbers John 10vs8
5. A book like the quran, which quotes other books in order to validate its claims cannot be an ultimate revelation as it cannot stand alone.
6. The mark of a mediocre / usurper is that, it only stands or projects itself by putting down or discrediting another.