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Amah70:
The way of corrupt people - perennial investment in effort to grab political power.


That your type of engagement with perenial investment in gaining apex political power - Tinubu and Atiku style - does not work in Nigeria because of rotation of the presidency.

Obasanjo, Yar'Adua, Goodluck Jonathan, not even Buhari engaged in perennial investment in gaining apex political power of Nigeria.

Again, understanding the rules of any adventures , be it sports, business, Academic Exams or Politics is very important.


One principle is to understand your own strengths and weaknesses and how they differ from that of your opponents/colleagues.

Circumstances that threw-up Yar'Adua and Jonathan are very unique and only few people in life are that lucky.

Both Obasanjo and Buhari has been at the top of Nigerian political space since the 1970s and even at that, Buhari consecutively ran for office in 2003,2007, 2011 and lost before finally winning in 2015.


Even in the USA, Ghana, South Africa and UK, those who eventually become President/Prime-Ministers are often consistently in the political space of their countries for sometime before finally reaching the peak.

Penguin2:
Ask Atiku and Kwankwaso why they contested in 2015 even as they discovered Tinubu was supporting Buhari.

They contested because they had a constitutional right to do so and believed in themselves that they can still win.


So, Peter Obi, Anyim Pius Anyim, Okorocha, Ngige can do the same.

Amah70:
All indices of human development in Nigeria point to the SE as the zone with the highest.

Perhaps, you see the standard gauge rail lines in the SW and north as efforts of the SW and northern leaders.

How many modern airports, for example, have been built by state governors in the east? It's the highest number compared with any other zone in Nigeria, if at all you understand the cost of building an airport and its importance.

Please list these indices of human development and who carried out these studies with dates.

Buskolo:
This sounds really biased... the west isn't doing so much better. Except for Lagos, which other western state can boast of unrivalled development?

But those who always scream they are superior to other Nigerians ought to show evidence of this superiority.

ma373733:
Tell that to the dogs


Okay after the primaries Igbos gave Obasanjo votes massively than even south west States


What's hard now to return the favour

If not for anything but for equity sake

Obasanjo/PDP won in areas where PDP was strong and lost in areas where it wasn't.

Why is it very difficult for Nigerians on Social media to understand that it's political parties that contest for elections?


If Peter Obi gets the PDP ticket, he will win in PDP dominated areas, even in the S/west

Noneroone:
lol...you must be a cretinous creature. Where in my post do you "streets"? I specifically mentioned cities. St petersburg of russia like igweocha was once named leningrad in honour of lenin (like lewis harcourt for port harcourt) but was reverted to its name through a referendum. Another russian city will soon try to undergo name change through referendum.

Do you know berlin also attempted name change in 1916 through referendum? Reverting to original name of ph is easy but it'll just be for formality sake cos everyone know its true name and true owners. You prolly think referendum is one of the protocols of secession only. To think of the fact that you called me illiterate...lol fool

There was no city in Port-Harcourt before the Colonial Government created the city in 1913 and named it Port-Harcourt. However Ikwerre village of Diobu was already existing close by and the elders of Ikwerre granted the British the approval to build a port on their land.

The city had however enlarged into Ijaw and other Ikwerre Territories.


Igwe-Ocha is the term used by Igbos to refer to the city which came about in the 1920s years after the port was built.


If you think any city named Igwe-Ocha existed before 1913, please name the kings/Administrators/Warrant Chiefs of that city. Name the traditional institutions of the city, it's boundaries and treaties signed with her neighbours.

Noneroone:
smh...which court case? a referendum by the indigeneous people is enough to decide the name of a city overnight.

What is the acceptable definition of indigenous peoples of Port-Harcourt? Do you have a register of all the indigenous peoples of Port-Harcourt?

Amah70:
But you are the one greatly deluded with thinking that it's right for SW APC to ask for zoning of the presidency between the north and the south to enable the south produce a successor to President Buhari, but refuse the same zoning for the southern regions, because it's the turn of the Igbo to present a successor to President Buhari.

Political parties and NOT the SW has the power on zoning their tickets.


The SW is just one out of the six Geo-political zones and doesn't have the power to determine where each political party zone their tickets.

DMerciful:
The rest of Nigeria hates the Igbo man because of his perceived supremacy

At least, if the rest of the people hate Igbos, the Igbos shouldn't hate themselves.
So how come that this perceived superiority of the Igbos hasn't turned Igboland into a First world zone?

MOTOPARK:
you have made relevant points on the love igbos has for pdp, but fails to acknowledge historic events that took place before and after the civil the war and the hate the hausa-fulani has against the igbos

Do you really think the Hausa-Fulani hates Igbos?

The same Hausa-Fulani pardoned Ojukwu, 12 years after the war, the same Hausa-Fulani made Alex Ekwueme and Umuezeoke Vice president and Speaker of House of Representatives between 1979-1983.

Maybe the Hausa-Fulani don't trust the Igbos with power but they don't really hate them.

The ethno- religious riots in the North were largely a We-Vs-Them fights and not particularly targeted at Igbos. All non-muslims and even moderate Muslims from the south are usually targeted during such crisises.

ma373733:
All of a sudden they have forgotten Igbos voted Obasanjo massively

Trust yorubas at your own peril

Backstabbers

North has ruled

South has ruled

West has ruled

They can't believe it's East's turn

Igbos are greedy Igbos are greedy

We all know the greedy ones now

Any honest person knows it's time for Igbos to rule unless you're a liar and a cheat


Las las body go tell us

Anybody wey see truth make him talk o

The issues goes beyond the Yorubas, it's a Nigerian matter.

maestroferddi:
He is just ventilating his shallow opinion.

If Peter Obi does his home work very well and the election is free and fair, of course he can win.

Nigerians are not as foolish as the purveyors of tribalism and lackeys of fraudulent politicians want us to believe...

Absolutely correct.


Peter Obi, in my own opinion should have started making moves for the presidency immediately after the 2019 elections.


He should have assembled a team of young intellectuals to look at the problems of Nigeria and proffer solutions to them. Then, he should have started giving these suggested solutions to the Government and general public in forms of periodic interviews, during convocations, public lectures like the Platform, Ahmadu Bello and Awolowo Foundations Lectures series, direct and active participations In PDP affairs. He should have sponsored his loyalists in the NWC of the PDP like Wike and Atiku are doing.

Nobody takes you serious in Nigerian politics if you are too gentle and easily predictable.

Amah70:
Knowledge that only you have, not common knowledge for the Igbos. Who will not allow an Igbo to become president of Nigeria?
2023 is the defining moment for Nigeria's integrity. We have been zoning the presidency between the north and the south since 1999. It's common knowledge that it's the turn of the Igbo to present a successor to President Buhari.

Understanding the rules of politics is very necessary to succeed in politics.

This very idea that it's the turn of the Igbos shows inadequate understanding of the rules and it's one of the draw backs of achieving Igbo presidency because it gives those who believe in it a sort of entitlement mentality.

Those with this mindsets sat down for so long, expecting to be dashed the presidency and are just starting to invest in the presidential race, just when the election is around the corner.

DMerciful:
The propaganda and hatred started way before elections. When subsidy was removed in 2012, SW leaders knew it was the right thing but wanted to make the govt look bad hence they occupied Lagos.

Mulikat was supposed to be speaker but Tinubu told his people to vote against her so he could have a propaganda that Yorubas were not in GEJs govt. Some position esp coordinating minister of the economy angered the SW since an Igbo woman got that position. Tinubu wanted to influence appointments in GEJ govt but was not allowed hence the massive campaign of columny against GEJ.

When GEJ said Igbos were the pillars of his administration, that was the final straw for the SWestners

Again, you keep writing out of ignorance.

Political parties account for about 70% of the success and failures of candidates in an election.

1) The real reason why Jonathan was defeated was the emergence of the APC in 2014.
If the weaker parties had not coalesce into one strong political party, any candidate presented by the PDP would have won.

2) The PDP/Jonathan won in Enugu, Ekiti, Taraba and Rivers States because the PDP was strong in these States, just as the APC lost in these States because it was weak in these States.


Similarly, the APC won in Lagos, Kano, Borno,Ogun, Oyo, Osun and Kwara States because it was strong in these States.


3) Jonathan/PDP actually won in some local Gov'ts Areas (LGAs) where the party was formidable.

For instance,in the 2015 elections in Osun State, Jonathan/PDP won in Obokun & Ori-Ade LGAs (Ijesha North Federal constituency) because of the political influence of Hon. Oluwole Oke, the most formidable politician in that areas. This had nothing to do with Igbos or propaganda as you wrongly assume.

Similarly, Jonathan/PDP won in Ife Central and Ife South LGAs because of the political influence of Senator Iyiola Omisore, the PDP candidate in the 2014 Gubernatorial election. Again, this had nothing to do with Igbos or propaganda.

3) It doesn't make sense to assume that the PDP ought to defeat the APC, which was formed by the CPC and the ACN ,the household party in the S/west.
This is like asking why the APC didn't win in Anambra State.

DMerciful:
It was the hatred towards GEJ because of Igbos that rubbed off on the other elections. There was already momentum that GEJ and by extension PDP would be voted out. In 2011, did SW give GEJ 40%? The propaganda against GEJ came majorly from the West so it's was more than the actual election results.

GEJ was hated in the West because he surrounded himself with Igbos, deal with it!

Again, you just wrote out of ignorance.


1) In 2011, Jonathan reached a working understanding with the ruling party in the ACN which worked for Jonathan's victory because their own party was weak.

2) By 2014, the APC had emerged with formidable structure to win a presidential election, so how do you think people will leave their own interests and be pursuing the interests of their opponents?

3) In 2015, Jonathan/PDP won in Ekiti State because Gov Ayo Fayose-led PDP government was in power in Ekiti.


4) On the eve of the 2015 elections, the APC controlled 5 States while the PDP controlled only Ekiti State, so how do you think that
the PDP ought to defeat the APC in the presidential election in the S/west and the reason why the PDP couldn't was because Jonathan had Igbos around him?


How do you think the ruling party in the S/west ought not to had worked for their own party's success?

5) The strength and UNITY of the parties in each State determine their performance, this is not Rocket Science


You approach political issues from emotional points of views, hence you may not understand how elections are won and lost.

kingsways:
During the last governorship election debates in Anambra, all candidates irrespective of party agreed that Obi performed well as governor of Anambra. This is uncommon. You can find the videos on the Internet

Contestants in Governorship debates declaring that 'someone did well during in his tenure' taking place about 8 years after Peter Obi left Office is not an objective way of evaluating the achievements of Peter Obi.



'Performing well' is a subjective statements with meaning that varies from a person to another person.

It is more objective to list known and verifiable indices of performance e.g the Kilometers of road constructed, poverty rates, number of vehicles & communications gadgets bought for security agencies, IGR and maternal mortality rates before and after Obi.

Ngorbungor:
His CV is out there to judge, you guys should please stop disturbing us.

The Curriculum Vitae of a person gives a brief summary about one's BioData, educational qualifications, work experience ,Awards received, hobbies and about 3 people (Referees) that can vouch that the information in it are correct.It has nothing to do with achievements while in office as a Governor.

xelly:
Fulani herders, FGs eyes became permanently blind?

The FG failed abysmally to handle the cases of the killer herdsmen well.

DMerciful:
What about Igboho? You support fg move?

Again, this is not my point.

You can open a separate thread on Mr Igboho's case.

DMerciful:
You're denying the truth. Yorubas voted against GEJ cos of Igbos. This is a fact!

People like you that reason like this don't understand anything about elections.

1) Jonathan/PDP received millions of votes in the S/west (about 40% of the total votes cast in the S/west).

2) The APC received about 60% of the votes cast in the S/west.

These reflect the relative strengths of these parties in the S/west. It has nothing with Igbos.

3) What happened in 2015 were general elections in which Presidential, Senatorial, Reps, Governorship and House of Assembly elections were also conducted.
The APC won in all the other five elections ,so how do you think that Jonathan contesting on the platform of the PDP ought to have defeated the APC in just in the presidential election?

offorjide:
Okwute Idi Igbo ur people is strongly behind you among the people that have declared interest to run, sentiment apart you are the most qualified . The West aren't serious TINUBU is corrupt and incompetent while OSIBANJO is inexperienced and still remain a product of godfatherism they cabals will easily hijack his government so PETER OBI still remain the only person to take Nigeria to the promise land please they youths should join together and support this visionary leader

Peter Obi needs to first win the PDP primaries.

mbahdi:
God people are not always seen
What a vibrant man.and ready to work.but my country will rather choose a walking corpse dat will be presiding dem from USA

The first hurdle doesn't involve the whole country but PDP stakeholders who are not illiterates but educated and enlightened men and women.

This is the reason why you guys should convince majority of the PDP delegates to vote for Peter Obi.

BeeBeeOoh:


Peter Gregory Obi should not border himself about Nigeria because Nigerians does not deserve him.

We prefer to vote in another Buhari pro-max.

The more aspirants the better.


Peter Obi and his team should work very hard to win the presidential primaries of the PDP.

Esseite:
Going by this postulations below, one honestly thinks Obasanjo was truly as statesman that was all about unity, he saw the marginalization of the SS and acted proactively to mend it. While the unity of Nigeria took a terrible turn in 2011 when the Tinubu APC rejected the Speakership position on behalf of the SW just to sell the marginalized propaganda while going ahead to deepen the disunity with clinching two key positions that could have united the country. Between 2011 and 2015 the NE was marginalized and felt abandoned by the GEJ government which bolstered the Bokoharam agenda while the SW saw it as an advantage to align motives championing insecurity to oust GEJ thereby foisting Buhari being a leader of the agenda.


1999 - 2007
President : Obasanjo - SW
VP : Atiku - NE

Senate - chuba okadigbo - SE
Anytime Pius - SE
Adolphus Wabara- SE
Ken nnamani - SE

Deputy - ibragim mantu - NC

Speaker - Salisu Buhari - NW
Ghali na abbar - NW
Bello masari - NW
Deputy -

2007 - 2011
President : Yar adua - NW
VP - GEJ - SS

Senate - David mark - NC
Deputy - Ekweremadu - SE
Speaker - Patricia Etteh - SW
Dimeji bankole - SW
Deputy -


2011 - 2015
President : GEJ - SS
VP : sambo - NW
Senate - David mark - NC
Deputy - Ekweremadu - SE
Speaker - Tambuwal - NW (SW rejected by Tinubu)
Deputy - ihedioha - SE

2015 - 2019
President - Buhari -NW
VP - osibanjo - SW
Senate - Saraki - NC
Deputy - Ekweremadu - SE
Speaker - Dogara - NE
Deputy - lasun - SW

2019 - 2023
President - Buhari - NW
VP - Osibanjo - SW
Senate - lawan - NE
Deputy - Agege - SS
Speaker - Gbaja - SW
Deputy - wase - NC

You failed to highlight/ bolden Emeke ihediawa and Ike Ekweremadu ,both from the S/East who were Deputy Speaker and Deputy Senate President respectively between 2011-2019.


You also failed to highlight/bolden Namadi Sambo (Vice-president from 2011-2015) and Aminu Tambuwal (Speaker from 2011-2015) ,both from the N/west .


You also need to know that between 1979-1983, Hon Ume-Ezeoke and Dr Alex Ekwueme ,both from the S/East were Speaker and Vice-president respectively.

I believe Peter Obi is good enough to be president because those who have been presidents before aren't better than him.

However, the hype about him as the candidate with the midas touch to turn around Nigeria need to be substantiated.



What were the IGR of Anambra before and after the administration of Peter Obi?

How many Kilometers of road were tarred under Peter Obi?

What were the unemployment rates before and after the administration of Peter Obi?

How many units of houses did he construct?

What were the Maternal mortality rates in Anambra State before and after Obi?

Listing private companies like Innoson and Breweries as achievements of a State Governor is faulty.

DMerciful:
Loool...you're making it look like Igbos and Yorubas were cordial before Nnamdi Kanu or before 2011. This friction has been going on since independence and that's why I wonder why Yorubas were insisting on one Nigeria with people they do not like and who do not like them as well

This is not my point.


Nnamdi Kanu was busy preaching hatred against other Nigerians with many Igbos cheering him up and repeating his messages.

When the FG decided to arrest Nnamdi Kanu and curtailed his excesses, it's natural that these other Nigerians who were the victims of his agitations will support the move.

nku5:
Chicago drug baron turned politician with his hungry supporters

It's better that you guys look for a credible candidate and support him to defeat the candidate you don't like.

Masterkernel1:
I was on reading cruise when I read through your lines, boom!.

I barely know you, but hypocrisy kills faster than cancer. I've known your Moniker long enough judging by your biased analysis.

During the Nnamdi Kanu travail, didn't you bother to know the clan of those casting aspersions as well as throwing tantrums on him? You troll what Igbos love most (Biafra) in turn, you want us to be quiet when it's time for pay back.

Lesson: You can't eat your cake and have it.

Nnamdi Kanu started base his agitation by preaching hatred against the Hausa-Fulani and the Yorubas the tempo of which increased especially after the 2015 electi
His tweets and broadcasts against the Yorubas are all over the internet, this is the reason why most non-igbo Nigerians that comment against him on social media are doing so.

Many of the young Igbo online picked their anti-Nigerian altitudes from his broadcasts on Radio Biafra.

Oracleforce:
Tinubu asslicker spotted...why will someone go and stay in London and excepting some buffoonery to be campaigning for him in Nigeria because of what they can derive from his stolen and ilk-gotten wealth.

What a shame!

Nobody has started campaigns.


Tinubu is still a private citizen ,CONSULTING people in and out of Nigeria.

Both Atiku and Buhari went to the Chattam House, London to drum up support for their presidential ambition.

ityP:
Akpabio has lost political relevance in akwa ibom, dude just went to APC to steal unprovoked. APC is so hated in Akwa Ibom. Same thing with Ben Ayade. Cross River state no send him papa. Na PDP dem know. Same thing with Delta state. Na PDP state be that.

Okay, how many votes will the APC get in Cross-River, Delta State?

What these politicians gain if PDP win?

ityP:
Lol. Even now, it's clear he doesn't have the support of many in the party. I mean, the north don't play blind politics. This time is too delicate for them. The restructuring issue dey fear them. Ranching and open grazing too. They would not want a man they see as "too cunning" to be president. Plus, if he doesn't go for a Muslim vice, it will compound his woes.

Why do you think only Tinubu can do things that that you just mentioned?


Why do you think the other aspirants can't do all these?



In any case, how do you prevent changes and for how long in a heterogeneous country?

ityP:
He seems to be the most powerful candidate in APC as we speak. Except he selects a candidate himself, if not, he will be APCs flag bearer

You are contradicting yourself.