₦airaland Forum

Excellent speech by Ribadu. Hopefully Lamorode, his protege would do an excellent Job.

efisher:
The new EFCC chairman can actually use this opportunity to showcase his abilities. Let's start with all the rot in NNPC.

The Senate has to clear him first. If he shows himself too much now, they would frustrate his clearance. His name was sent to the senate yesterday by the President.

jamace:
Corruption =    cause

Chaos        =      Effect

So, which should be tackled first, corruption which is the cause or chaos which is the effect?

Nope.

Chaos= Cause

Corruption= Effect

Tackle the cause, and the effect would begin to vanish.
Question: Why don't bank workers steal the millions they count everyday.
Answer: The [b]system [/b]doesn't permit them to do so no matter how hard they try. It surely isn't because the Bank managers are fighting corruption.

Fix the structural system. Corruption vanishes automatically.

Sometimes we just run our mouths without practicalizing scenarios.
To all those saying to fight corruption and not correct the system, lets practicalize scenarios for a moment.

Mr President decides that from today, he will begin to fight corruption. So he employs a very strong hand in the EFCC and orders that they stop at nothing to halt corruption in every facet of society. The EFCC boss orders his boys to go to every nook and cranny of society and fish out corruption.

Mr A is an EFFC officer(Lets call him Musa). He earns N70,000 a month. He has a family of six. Pays rent 2 years in advance, school fees for 6 children and has an extended family in Kaduna he gives stipends to. His salary finishes on the first week of the month.

On the third week of the month, His Oga sends him on an errand to investigate a LG chairman somewhere in Delta State over funds misappropraition running into hundreds of millions. He gets there and is offered a bribe of N5 million to say everything is alright. He is a honest man, but he has bills to pay, so he accepts the bribe.

Now the President and the EFCC boss have done their best. But along the chain of command, realities begin to set in. The enforcers of the law meet with a willingly chaotic society. They would do their best, but as long as the structure is rotten, their best will end up like that of Ribadu! Fighting here and there with no change in sight.

If we fix the system, the likelihood for corruption would be much less.  If for instance the LG chairman in question was made accountable to his constituency rather than to his Governor, it is we the people that would deal with the corruption and not wait for Abuja to do it for us.

A good example of fixing the system is the passage of the passage of the FOI bill. The bill would allow us to know exactly what and what our Governments are doing at any given time. However, since that bill was passed the people have failed to use it to their benefit. I haven't heard of a single Nigerian that has gone  to any Government office to demand information that would make government accountable. Not even our media houses or Civil Society Organisations. We just keep complaining well as the tools to fight corruption have already been placed in our hands.
But no, we ourselves are even more corrupt than the government itself, so we can't be bother. We just love to run our mouths!!

Nice Article. Pretty Objective!

[quote author=ekt_bear link=topic=845209.msg9959099#msg9959099 date=1326490131]Lol. This a good point.

Let the amount each state pays towards fuel subsidy be based on land mass and official population from the 2006 census

After all, is Kano not the most populous state in Nigeria? [/quote]Why should it be based on population? The amount of fuel consumed per state is not proportional to the population per state. Rather the number of cars and the amount of electricity consumed would serve as a better measure.

Lagos would suffer in that case. As it would have to be responsible for over 800 billion naira in subsidies.

Excellent, Excellent Excellent!!
Progress!!
This is excellent!!
Now we can start talking!!

So out of over 4 million Owerrians, on 40 people came to the protests!!

doctokwus:
[b]What does each bus cost compared to how much has bn deducted frm d govt account.[/b]Dis one that it took just about a wk for dis buses to b ready for commissioning,I wud b surprised if s/body has not fd anoda an avenue to fraudulently enrich himself all in d name of palliatives

There is the FOI bill that allows you to find that out. And it is you job to do that!! You can keep complaining all you like, if you don't play your part nothing would change.
For me, I would commend him for taking action at all. He bought 100 18-seater buses, taking delivery of more 50 seater buses in addition to 600 buses already in existence. He should be one of the first governors to respond to the price hike.
Ekiti state Governor bought just 10 buses- pretty much an insult to the people of Ekiti.

You guys mights want to check out this site. There's a lot of information in there regaring Private Education for the poor.
That site informs that 50% of the poorest Lagosians attend Private schools!

http://www.enterprisingschools.com/markets/africa/nigeria

Lovely concept. I personally believe that most segments of society should be privatized while the government should be left to function as regulators.
Also, community participation and ownership is one of the best ways to enhance qualitative development .
Excellent concept!! Great thinking.
But the practicalities of implementing such a concept would be hampered by funding especially with regard to teachers salaries.

A better way to run it would be a Public Private Partnership based on the stated model such that the Government is the Public Partner and the Community is the Private partner. The teachers would continue to get their salaries and allowances from the Government while the Private parties would focus their energies on providing better learning experiences for the students.

Funding would be a huge problem even when teachers salaries have been taken out except a business model is developed that would make the school profitable.
My opinion is that every school can have a business separate from the school such that the profits from the business would be utilised to make up for any shortage in funding. Such a business would leverage on the schools infrastructure to make the business more attractive!! Running an event centre on the schools premises is a very basic example.

calculusx:
Are there Mathematicians in the house? If FG loose #320bn daily due to this Strike, that means in 5days the strike started tomorrow FG would have lost #1.6 Trillion Naira.

Mathematically  #320billion X 5 Days = #1.6 Trillion Naira

If FG can afford to loose 1.6 Trillion Naira in just 5 Days, then why the Subsidy? I don't understand why FG have to cut off a head because of headache, instead they should prosecute the Cabals who are not bigger than Nigeria and wants the masses to suffer for their Fraud.

Our Voice must be heard for once. #65 or Nothing.

No the FG wasn't loosing 320 Billion daily!
If there were any losses, and the figure is true, it is the Nigerian people that lost that amount daily.
The FG gets majority of its money from oil production and not from personel taxes, hence the impact on the F's finances is almost Nil.

In these days of blackberries and smartphones installed with photo and video cameras, you would expect to see a picture of the house!!

There is no need reading the article, just show us a picture and give us an address we would believe. Until then, we would regard it as an attempt at character assassination.

Let them impeach him and see whether there would still be Fuel Subsidy to talk about!!
The "owners of the oil" will go their way and they would go with all their refineries. The only refinery left would be the one in Kaduna with no oil to refine.
Keep dreaming ASUU!!

[quote author=Akanbi_edu link=topic=844110.msg9945517#msg9945517 date=1326319644]Who are the owners of the oil?[/quote][quote author=Akanbi_edu link=topic=844110.msg9945615#msg9945615 date=1326320702]They are villagers really, a lot of them reason that way.

Oil that Nigeria as a country invested in its prospecting, exploration and protected by our armed forces. Somebody will claim because its in his backyard. I laugh in Swahili.[/quote]Funny. We can pretend like we know not who they are.
But whether we like it or not, the time when they were subdued is over. They now have an army.  They put in the man currently at the helm of affairs. They
If we are not careful we would end up granting the wishes of the owners of the oil. They want a nation to themselves and would be glad at any opportunity to have it.
They did it with tact

YOU GUYS DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT FIGURES!!
Fuel subsidy didn't jump from N300 Billion to N1.3 Trillion!!

These are the figures for previous years:

2006: N261 Billion

2007: N278 Billion

2008: N633 Billion

Subsequent years saw a huge increase due to various factors which Efisher and others have mentioned!!

alj harem:
Already Senator  Awaisu's house in Minna was on fire today pdp

also senator remi tiunbu acn

senator Gbenga_Ashafa acn

senator babafemi Ojudu acn

senator Babajide Omoworare acn

all almost escaped death today

yesterday it was tiunbu and Otedola house that people were shouting Ole

what does this tell us, it means it has ALREADY GONE BEYOND fuel subsidy but now people are just angry at the whole system

I'm loving the turn of events. When it was about subsidy, it made no sense.
If this thing can snowball to a point where Government officials would begin to get scared of the people, then finally change will come.
If we can just make this thing about ending corruption in all facets of our system as well as changing the structural defects in this country that make growth impossible, then "we the people" would finally be on a winning path.

If we make the protests about subsidy, then if there is a revert in price to 65Naira, we go back to work and the rot continues.
If we make it about Jonathan, then be sure that the "owners of the oil" would not be smiling. They would collect their oil back like they did under YarAdua.

But if we make this about ending Government corruption from the LGs to the State Governments to the FG,only then would the people be the victors!!
For any demands to have results they must be well articulated and specifics and timelines must be stated.
Wondering why Labour can't see the signs!!

300 Billion was a while ago.
We import upwards of 300,000 cars into this country every year. That means in 4 years we would be talking something like 1.2million cars.
We import even much more generators and with the influx of cheap Chinese brands, almost every family now owns a generator.

Add that to the doubling of fuel price/barrel and the devaluation of our currency from from N120/$.

The increase isn't too much out of place but its pretty obvious as well that much of that goes to smuggling and over-inviocing.

That would be cool. We would be happy. It would hasten our desired split!!

2mch:
The lunatics outburst continues. You are not old enough to know about OBJ and Yar'Adua's regime i should presume. Enough of babysitting baby lunatics. And if i remember i made a one line comment. Where did this looney get his gist? From your straight jacket? I tire for mumurity.

2mch:
You are definitely[b] psychotic.[/b] The fact remains that, that was an OBJ exercise, just like the 1600 or 1100 buses were a Yar adua exercise. You lunatics seem to be grasping at straws, lying and all what not. When did i say all these? Can humans be this psychotic?

I noticed something on Nairaland. Folks with little brains usually resort to swear words when their little senses fail them!
Dude you should see as shrink!

hercules07:
You are comparing drugs and petrol? What kind of comparison is that? Do you get Cocaine and heroin from the government? Abeg look for something else jare, controlling smuggling of these things is very easy abeg, you can track all those tankers one by one or what is the purpose of technology, are they not leaving from your loading bay, there are IT systems that will track usage of these things and will let the NNPC or whoever know if the products are smuggled or not.

You are proffering simplistic solutions to endemic problems. This  is the sordid detachment syndrome affecting many Nigerians. We need to be better thinkers.
Think for a moment. Who will do the tracking?? Who will work at the loading bays?? Who will man the IT systems?? Who works at NNPC??
Are these not Nigerians?? Are they not bribable?? Would the boss be there when the bribery is taking place??
$8 Billion(the size of the incentive) is enough money to bribe the whole chain of command even if the pope is the boss!!
Think. Don't be detached. Practicalize scenarios before you proffer solutions!!

hercules07:
@Point 1

What if the price of fuel goes up to #200 in neighboring countries, will there still not be an incentive to smuggle? Please tell us something else, the only way to stop smuggling is to guard your borders, these things move in trailers that are easy to track.

One Question.
Why hasn't the USA, the most advanced country on earth been able to guard its borders against drugs??
As long as Drugs keep providing a massive economic incentive for dealers, they would keep passing through the borders into the US!!
SIC for Nigeria and fuel. If the incentive is there, no amount of border protection would stop smuggling. Take away the incentive and it vanishes in a second.

Gbawe:
Very Good !!! Now we are talking !!!


Do Nigerians even realise that the recipient of the biggest amount of subsidy are those connected with governance? Have many of us looked at it that way? What do we think all the freebies and largesse associated with governance is if not 'subsidy'? They won't give up the subsidy they enjoy, even as they are only 0.00000001% of the population yet they want to wickedly remove the subsidy 160 million people benefit from in one way or another. This is why we keep saying GEJ and co should lead by example and remove the government subsidy applicable to their own offices and positions that is greater than the N1.4 trillion they lie claim will be saved through subsidy removal.

Do you really believe that the unrealistic and planless list written is very good?? If all those on the list are achieved, can't a contract still be given to a crony at over invoiced prices?? Isnt that a better route to milk the country??
My point- Simplistic lists like these would not take us anywhere.

Don't you think its a good idea we start by demanding leaner Governments from those closer to us like say the State Government. Maybe Fashola should be our the first port of call for Lagosians. That way we would be able to prove that these protests are not ethnic related.

Nonsense!!
Because you think subsidy removal is bad, you think everybody thinks likewise. One tenet of intelligence is capacity for openmindedness.
If there is anything I have noticed on the fuel subsidy debates, those in support of subsidy removal tend to be more intelligent than those against.

FYI there is a 25% of the population that are in support of the removal of subsidy. 25% FYI is 40 million Nigerians.

A poll is currently running and the results are below.

http://subsidy.nairaland.com/

Thinkers! Great Thinkers!! Thats what we need. And we have one in Efisher!!
Nice Prescription. Sadly the average Nigerian and his fellow corrupt government workers would not allow for its functionality.
Corruption is a killer and it would terminate a great idea of this sort.

Many other great ideas like the one Seun raised on another thread! Same with the one Ben Bruce raised.
But naah, The trust levels have been destroyed by past Governments, so peeps would refuse change of any sort!!

Dreams!!
We voted him, so he must serve!!
In 2015, if we don't like him we will vote him out.
For now, even if 75 percent of Nigerians don't like fuel subsidy removal, a majority of still love their dear president!

I have noticed! I have had nearly constant light for about 2 weeks.

The man opens his mouth like a . . . . . .  . .

All I can say is that Obasanjo is still alive 13 years after this same Tunde Bakare prophesied his death!!

jp philips:
how did Nigeria get to this stage? a minister is saying that without subsidy removal, investments cant be made in the power sector.
Nigeria is finished.

for those of you smoking your dad's eba and applauding Gej for removing fuel subsidy, you will not understand what jonathan did till you feel the impact of being exposed to international oil rates with no market regulatory agency,


@leo mad,beaf et al please tell jonathan that the only reason he needs to deceive people that he is making progress is CORRUPTION unlike his cohort Nnaji that think it is subsidy.


in the face of corruption, jonathan's smiles, efforts and promises are like a dangling G-string.

13 companies indeed, who are they? do they have the blessings of the president or did they win a transparent bid of competence we dont know about?

Mr Nnaji, I tell you for the upteenth time stop attributing your ineptitude to subsidy. in the face of inflation I wonder how many Nigerians can afford your electricity?

Pessimism, like a virus, runs in the blood of some folks.

DanKan0:
Well done Na-Me you are seeing . 'Divide + conquer'. Next ask yourself why is the 'West' so keen to potray this as muslim v Xtian. Hyping the situation? What is their agenda? Remember Libya?

Shine your eyes Nigerians fall for the trap and I assure you nobody will come out well. Drones over Naija, Militia groups running rampant in the Delta, kidnappings, Real Sectarian violence. See Iraq?

#occupynigeria PDP know what they doing  

Because that is what Boko Harm has made it about!!
Boko Haram speaks in the name of Islam and muslims don't speak out vehemently against it. Silence is a tacit form of support.
If there would be drones anywhere it would be in nNorthern Nigeria.


Now tell me, When Kaita and Atiku and the NPLF said they would make Nigeria ungovernable for Jonathan if he defied Zoning, what do you think they refered to??

I smell Change in the Air!! Hopefully, Very soon we would be getting more power than we need!!
I hope Jonathan can pull this off successfully like OBJ did with Telecoms!!

What is going on in Nigeria today!!
U actually feel U can just come out of the beer parlour and straight to the village square and say nonsense!! Don't do that again.
Seun is paying for Bandwitdh. Please don't waste it.