johnw47:




the Septuagint Bible translating old testament hebrew to greek, translates YHWH to Kyrios,

and Kyrios appears about 740 times in the Greek New Testament, usually referring to Jesus


Jesus/Kyrios
and
Jesus/YHWH, as so many scriptures show:



YAHWEH
Psa 102:25 Of old hast thou laid the foundation of the earth: and the heavens are the work of thy hands.

Jesus
Heb 1:10 And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of

thine hands:




YAHWEH
Isa 45:23 I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me

every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.

Jesus
Php 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things

under the earth;





YAHWEH
Deu 10:17 For the LORD your God is God of gods, and Lord of lords, a great God, a mighty, and a terrible, which

regardeth not persons, nor taketh reward:

Jesus
Rev 17:14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and

King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.

Incidentally, see at Deut 17:14 YAHWEH is referred to as a mighty God, and we know that God is also referred to as

Almighty God, they are not two gods, a mighty god and an almighty god as false jw believe.




YAHWEH
Isa 44:6 Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am

the last; and beside me there is no God.

Jesus
Joh 1:49 Nathanael answered and saith unto him, Rabbi, thou art the Son of God; thou art the King of Israel.





YAHWEH
Psa 130:7 Let Israel hope in the LORD: for with the LORD there is mercy, and with him is plenteous redemption.
Psa 130:8 And he shall redeem Israel from all his iniquities.

Jesus
Tit 2:14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar

people, zealous of good works.




YAHWEH
Zec 12:10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of

supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one

mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.

Jesus
Rev 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and

all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

YAHWEH was pierced
Jesus was pierced



YAHWEH
Joe 2:32 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered: for in

mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the LORD hath said, and in the remnant whom the LORD shall call.

Jesus
Rom 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

Primesky:


A man who is truly born again, and have received the gift of the Holy Spirit, does not willfully commit sin, nor does he go on being wicked.

Janosky:


The Jews removed the divine name YHWH because they claimed that Jehovah's name was too holy to be called by mere sinful men.

Janosky:


Jesus used the divine name & made the name known to his followers.

Jesus said "I have made your name known to the men whom you gave me out of the world" John 17:6,26.
Matt 6:9
How would Jesus himself have made the divine name known if he had substituted YHWH in favour of "Lord"?

Janosky:

A) Removal of God's (Jehovah) name, YHWH from almost all Bible versions except NWT & a few others.
YHWH substituted with "Lord" @ Deut6:4.

("In regard to the divine name, YHWH, commonly referred to as the Tetragramaton, the translators adopted the device used in most English versions of rendering that name as. " LORD" in capital letters.
'Preface' in "Women of Faith Study Bible", New International Version).

brocab:
You should study that dusty old bible of yours sometime-you great abuser from the south-or even better accept Jesus into your heart and receive the Holy Spirit to teach you all things to know about the Word of God!
It will be a lot easier for you to understand!
Every time I read your page-your anger raises over nothing-if I was to give it a score from a 100% deafeningly your score is a 100%.
All we are doing is defending the Word of God-we defend it from that very same bible you claim to use the KJ's, hypocrite!
We never come to you, you came to us-if you expect us to listen to you, then you need to come up with a better way to get our attention, your anger is abusive, someone claiming to be a Christian, and acts like you, really it's people like you, who put Christians down..
We don't follow the Watchtower why? because it has to many faults within, you use the KJ's 'why? because the NWT bible has faults!
You use the KJ's to a point-why? because the NWT and the KJ's bibles have scriptures your Watchtower literature refuses to teach.
It isn't worth your wild getting yourselves all worked up over nothing, read the scriptures, and if they are hard to understand them, study the scriptures, learn it from the KJ's and believe these are God's Word given to His People to learn by.
It's pointless trying to cut our throats over the Word of God! You say you use the KJ'S version, we also use the KJ's version! And what we see and study we write it down..

Jozzy4:


Thomas is a Jew, its not unusual for Jews to address Gods messengers as God himself . this does not mean they believe the particular messenger is God, but they acknowledge he is from God

Jacob fight with an angel, yet he said he fight with God .

Manoah and his wife saw an Angel , but Manoah exclaimed, We have seen God! We will die.

So Thomas statement is understandable , as Jesus himself is also a representative from God. But that doesn't make him the only true God , that sent him.

John wrote: his book was written so you can believe Jesus is Gods son NOT God himself.

Janosky:


John20:28 , Thomas called Jesus my "my Lord & my God", that is Jesus na Thomas Oga.

Jesus said, I am returning to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God" John 20:17,30,31

Jesus say he get his own Papa& Oga ,wey still be the Oga & Papa of Thomas.

Jesus big pass Thomas, but Papa God Almighty big pass Jesus & Thomas.

The scriptures can not be broken, ' I am God's son', says Jesus (John 10:34-36.

PastorAIO:


What about if you are called both Lord and God?

John 20:28

And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.


in the greek Theos is preceded by 'ho' which is the definite article so we know he wasn't talking about 'a god' but 'The God'.

Mobilia:


Who is Yahwooh?
Also I'm not understanding what you are trying to say.

ladionline:
Now this is where it gets "voodooical". Everybody is interested here.

Ori is Yoruba equivalent for God, as used in the proverb, ori lonishe... Note that they did not say "Ori-nu", (translated roughly as luck or individual aura) which is different from "Ori" that is Head. Whenever we see Ori- and -Eda together, we know its duality of man and his creator. To the Yoruba, this goes together: Ori mi ye o jah! Ja funmi, eda mi ye o jah! Ja funmi.

Oni kaluku lo leleda tie

Everyone has his or her own Creator? Not particularly. Olorun-Eleda is an established phrase in Yoruba lexicon. People says, Tobaw'oluwa, Tobaw'Ori, Tobaw'Eleda mi. Eda is Yoruba homonym for replica or copy of the original. We are all replica of the creator, that make us his creation or each of us is a copy of the maker. When the Yoruba says Onikaluku lo leleda tie, (everyman with his own god?) they were saying everyone represent his maker, or everyone is a replica of the maker.

Its simple but not really simple once personal agenda is heavily enmeshed. But the truth should not always elude us forever, the value of the truth is to be found when needed, not when it's need is stale.

Ok for now. Again my name is Ladi, this is what I do, "word processing". It is a sweet science.

nelsonoba:


I don't know what god you serve, but as far as the true God whom I serve is concerned, he hates evil and cannot accept anything evil. That was why the sacrifice of Cain was rejected. If tithe was wrong or evil, why didn't God reject it when Abraham brought It?

The standard of good and evil does not come from you Mr Man! It comes from God! So if God decides to ask Jephthah to sacrifice his daughter or accepts Jephthah's daughter as a sacrifice, then it was a good thing, because God CANNOT DO OR ACCEPT ANY EVIL. An action is not evil because you don't like It, rather it is evil only because God hates it. So anything God does or accepts cannot be evil or wrong!

Like I said, I don't know what god you serve, I can only speak about the true God whom I serve

Ubenedictus:


www.patheos.com/blogs/peterenns/2013/07/heres-something-about-the-bible-of-the-first-christians-i-bet-many-of-you-didnt-know-youre-welcome/amp/


There is a little post with a book relevant to the discussion.


Wish you the best for the new year

Before there was a New Testament, the Bible of the first Christians (the writers of the New Testament and the early Church) was a Greek translation of the Old Testament. The general term used to designate that translation is “Septuagint.”

Think about that: the Old Testament of the New Testament writers and of the early Church was a translation–and an imperfect one at that.

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Any translation of the Bible is much more than a mirror copy (just think of how English translations differ from each other). In many places in the Septuagint, yes, one is reading word for word the same text found in the Hebrew. In many other places, however, the translation yields different theological emphases than those found in the Hebrew Bible; the translation has created new meanings.

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Careful study reveals that the Septuagint version is definitely the earlier form of the story–the Septuagint didn’t just “leave things out” by mistake. It was translated from an earlier version of the Hebrew Bible where these details were absent. The version of the story we know is a later, expanded, version.

One thing we do not need to wait any longer to say is this: the existence of multiple forms of scripture (Greek and Hebrew) in antiquity, both before, during, and after the time of Christ, did not bother early Christians. The search for an “original text” on which to ground one’s faith is a distinctively modern worry. Even when Christians began recognizing divergences between the Jewish Scriptures and their own, many saw it as an opportunity to discover more than one way to understand divine communication.

urahara:


Pls provide hard evidence for the low iq scores of Jews 90 years ago

Strangely, Herrnstein and Murray refer to "folklore" that "Jews and other immigrant groups were thought to be below average in intelligence." It was neither folklore nor anything as subjective as thoughts. It was based on hard data, as hard as any data in The Bell Curve.

MuttleyLaff:


https://www.nairaland.com/4906753/daddy-freeze-liar-tithing-very/20#74041262
I wished nelsonoba just paid attention to the pasted by MuttleyLaff: 8:55am On Dec 21 above link
He wouldnt have posted:
"Why don't you start by asking Abraham who gave him the idea of TITHING?...
Why didn't God reject the tithe when Abraham paid it if it wasn't God that gave him the idea?"

Look at nelsonoba scoring an own goal. SMH.

Primesky:
Sorry, an atheist and a pegan can not be righteous. Righteousness is a gift of God to man through Christ Jesus. So both a wicked Christian and an atheist are alike. Non of these two can enter heaven. That's the crux of the matter.

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Virgil. Fresco from the Cathedral of the Annunciation, Moscow.

Virtuous pagan is a concept in Christian theology that addressed the problem of pagans who were never evangelized and consequently during their lifetime had no opportunity to recognize Christ, but nevertheless led virtuous lives, so that it seemed objectionable to consider them damned. It is thus analogous to that of the "righteous gentile" in Judaism and Hanifs in Islam. A modern Catholic rendering of this is known as "Anonymous Christianity" in the theology of Karl Rahner.

Mobilia:


Also...when God sent Jonah to preach at Nineveh (to Jonah's disgust and unwillingness at first), God did so...in order to "save" the people. They were wicked and God in His infinite compassion and mercy, was trying to save them. He wasn't trying to save them so they could continue in their sins...but so they could repent and be changed.
They repented and weren't destroyed.
They changed their wicked ways, so it's safe to deduce that they began serving the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob at that point.
He makes it clear that He's calling ALL people to repentance...and a turning back to Him in order to be saved eternally.
Anyhow, it's called an "oxymoron" to call an atheist/pagan "righteous"...
The very essence of "righteousness" is God...so if they don't believe in Him..then it's impossible for them to attain that characteristic.
Also ...what barometer would non-believers use...since "morality" is based on God's "10" commandments.
No one would know "right" from "wrong" if it hadn't been laid out for us in the beginning of time....
See I get what you are trying to say here, but it's a little jumbled up and can cause confusion.
I hope you are not offended.
The message is that we, Christians, need to live lives acceptable to God because we are called to a higher standard.

jesusjnr:


Righteousness exalteth a nation: but sin is a reproach to any people. Proverbs 14:34KJV

Now do you interpret the "righteousness" implied there which exalts a nation as one which cannot be attained without believing or worshipping God?
For if "righteousness" as implied by that saying was not attainable without believing in God, then Nations e.g. Japan, China, India, Singapore, Greece etc. would have never been as exalted as they are today, but would be reproached. But it would instead be a Nation as Nigeria that would be so exalted and not reproached as it currently is.

Because those mentioned exalted nations are not known to believe in God, but pagan worshippers and also atheists. And then you have a nation as Nigeria that almost everything that we do here, there's is the name of God somewhere, with all the churches and mosques that saturates the land, and yet is suffering much reproach.

Because the saying is not believing in God exalts a nation, or not worshipping Him brings reproach to any people, but righteousness and sin respectively. That's why despite not believing in God, righteousness has exalted those pagan nations, but despite believing in God, sin has been a reproach to Nigeria.

jesusjnr:
So how can you stand right with Jehovah whom you've never seen, without treating your neighbors rightly?

It seems you adamantly want to remain in your deceit.

budaatum:

But Sherlock Holmes does exist, fictitiously albeit, as, and with a character, created by Conan Doyle!

Are you suggesting God too has a created character?

budaatum:

If I choose to do what you tell me to do, I would be abrogating my free will to you! That would not be me exercising my free will, but me enslaving myself to you, which is the exact opposite of me having any free will at all.

So, no thank you. I would rather exercise my own free will, which at this very moment is to eat today, tomorrow and the days after that, and to extend my lifespan as long as I free willy possibly can!

budaatum:

From what you've said here, I'm inclined to say the character of gods is to not exist since my position is that they don't exist.

What you reckon, Pastor?

HellVictorinho:

Read everything in my post to know if it will!!!!
And why are you reluctant to read everything?
Also,it doesn't make sense to ask if I can expand my reasoning!!!!!
Think critically before you type!!!!

HellVictorinho:

Read everything I posted carefully before assuming that you understand.

HellVictorinho:

Alright, I will explain.
Biologically, humans are wired to do certain things including: moving, feeding, developing feelings(in response),competing,adapting,developing sexual behaviors,exchanging gases,etc.
So,they are expected to do certain things by default and not because they actually had a choice.

solite3:
that God knows all things and can do all things DOES NOT MEAN HE DOES ALL THINGS.

He only does those things that are right.

That God give you the freedom to curse and blasphemy him is the greatest proof that HE IS NOT A TYRANT.

XxSabrinaxX:

What's YOUR own take on this?

XxSabrinaxX:

So... you're saying God has free will then?

XxSabrinaxX:

And what's your answer to that question?

Heraclitus believed that a person’s character is their fate. Character — the sum total of a person’s traits — influences the choices a person makes, and the consequences of those choices ultimately become that person’s destiny.

XxSabrinaxX:

Your post makes no damn sense. Its almost like you don't even read my posts before replying.

If an omniscient being should create a man, the actions of said man have already been predetermined by the omniscient creator. See Psalms 139:1-4, 44:21.
If a man chooses to take his life, God is aware of it because his knowledge has no limits.
Conclusion: If an omniscient creator like God exists, then free will cannot also exist. These are mutually exclusive properties. I've done my best to explain where i'm coming from, its left for you and your christian crew to understand.

nelsonoba:


SMH