nelsonoba:


Bros, try and be using your sense nah.......do you get any multiplication from hoes and cutlasses? Can you plant or invest hoes and cutlasses to make any profit from them as a farmer? Is the instruction for tithe as clearly seen in Malachi 3 not to bring A TENTH OF YOUR INCREASE/PROFIT Did God ever say people are supposed to pay tithe when they have not made profit?

Why have you decided to allow your sense depart from you just because you want to prove what you can't? Please next time, try and be making sense with your questions. You are bigger than these sub-standard low-quality lame questions you just asked.

Actually yes, you CAN invest hoes and cutlasses. As with any other sort of Capital.

So when you pay your monetary tithe, is it because the 50 naira in your pocket multiplied and then you took 1/10 of the increase and paid tithe with it?

If sense departs it can still find it's way and come back to the owner. This is what I pray for you if yours is a case of departed sense. However if it is a case of disingenuity then there is no hope for you.

nelsonoba:


Your problem is that you don't know the meaning of the word "money". You are confusing currency with money. To educate you a bit; ALL CURRENCY IS MONEY, BUT NOT ALL MONEY IS CURRENCY. Go and do your proper research on the difference between the two of them before coming to display your gross ignorance. To a farmer, AGRICULTURAL PRODUCE IS MONEY!


Then also, you ask what sin Abraham would have been committing by not paying TITHE? Why don't you start by asking Abraham who gave him the idea of TITHING? Was it Lucifer? Why didn't God reject the tithe when Abraham paid it if it wasn't God that gave him the idea?

To a blacksmith, according to your logic, all iron implements are money. Why didn't god say they should bring one tenth of their hoes and cutlasses?

This should be interesting:

“The most dangerous tithers are the greatest strugglers”. If na me talk am now, una go begin vex� I will address every single scripture raised in the article against me on nairaland, so join me live on http://YouTube.com/daddyfreezeteaches … at 3pm today as I teach: ‘TITHING THE FINAL CHAPTER’ - Ifedayo Freeze

https://twitter.com/DaddyFRZ/status/1074618812941643776

urahara:


It's a good thing u mentioned the been curve.

Look at the bell curve for all the races and tell me what u think

When European immigrant groups in the United States scored below the national average on mental tests, they scored lowest on the abstract parts of those tests. So did white mountaineer children in the United States tested back in the early 1930s ... Strangely, Herrnstein and Murray refer to "folklore" that "Jews and other immigrant groups were thought to be below average in intelligence." It was neither folklore nor anything as subjective as thoughts. It was based on hard data, as hard as any data in The Bell Curve. These groups repeatedly tested below average on the mental tests of the World War I era, both in the army and in civilian life. For Jews, it is clear that later tests showed radically different results—during an era when there was very little intermarriage to change the genetic makeup of American Jews.[35]
-From Ethnicity and IQ, the American Spectator.-

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bell_Curve#Race_and_intelligence

Once upon a time, only 90 years ago, Jews consistently scored below average in intelligence. Now they score above average. How can IQ therefore be genetic?

Please have you looked into Epigenetics yet?

urahara:


I think we can concluded that Jewish exceptionalism is due to their very high Iq rather than silly myths of Yahweh

Have you heard of the bell curve. Every population has a Bell curve where by in the middle is the IQ of most of the population and at the extreme ends of both ends are the exceptionally intelligent and the exceptionally stupid.

Personally I think that Nigerians have produced the most intelligent as well as the most idiotic people I've ever met in my life. But then I'm a nigerian so I'm more likely to meet all sort of nigerians.

How do you explain such extremities of IQ different within the same genetic population. Sometimes even within the same family one brother can be stupid and the other highly intelligent, How do you explain that?

Ans: Look up a new science called Epigenetics...

JeromeBlack:



Are they the only ones with high IQs?

Every race has had their time of exceptionalism, abeg. Jewish exceptionalism is usually overestimated

I wonder if they haven't had a hand in this myth of their exceptionalism themselves. Have you seen the documentaries, The Lobby. There is a UK version and a USA version that exposes how Israel manipulates countries and the conversations that people have about Israel.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceCOhdgRBoc


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vuk1EhkEctE&t=2s


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3dn-VV3czc&t=6s


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pddH2sfNKNY&t=4s


https://electronicintifada.net/content/watch-film-israel-lobby-didnt-want-you-see/25876

francis247:

Again you hit the nail on the head here.

Depression and life are like two similar sides of a magnet. They repel against one another.

Yeah! I don't know the extent to which you experience the depression but it may help to consider the following....

Be careful of what you come into contact with. Especially with Food. Certain things you may eat or ingest will make the depression worse. Try to avoid Alcohol and any other drugs. But watch yourself carefully: Are there things that you eat that shortly afterwards the hopeless feelings become worse?
What about people? Are there people whose company you share and shortly afterwards you feel yourself very depressed?
Avoid these foods and these people. It could be music too.

Perhaps it'll help to keep a diary.

Also there are certain herbs that are known to alleviate depression. I don't know where you are. Are you in Nigeria or in Europe? If you are in Europe then I would advice you to research where you can get herbs like Damiana, or St. John's Worts.

1. St. John’s wort

St. John’s wort is a plant that’s native to Europe, western Asia, and northern Africa. Europeans commonly take St. John’s wort as a way to treat depression, but the FDA hasn’t approved the herb to treat this condition.

Taking St. John’s wort has been linked with increasing the amount of serotonin in the body. Serotonin is a feel-good chemical in the brain that people with depression are often low in. Several antidepressants work by increasing the amount of serotonin in the brain.

https://www.healthline.com/health/depression/herbs-supplements#st-johns-wort

Damiana

A blissful and versatile herb, Damiana is one of the most popular herbs due to it’s immediate relaxing, gentle, sense enhancing effects.

Damiana is one of the best herbs for the mood, the nervous system and the reproductive system! It has a calming, euphoric effect and is a gentle and effective aphrodisiac.

It is extremely relaxing, producing almost immediate feelings of well-being. In it’s native home of Mexico, Damiana was traditionally used as a tonic for worn out nerves and depression. Damiana is a such a beautiful and effective herb, whether smoked, taken as a tincture, or brewed into a tea.

http://harmonyherbals.net/blog/how-to-use-damiana-for-natural-mental-health-herbal-highs-and-healthy-sex-drive/

Maybe if you're in nigeria but you know someone in the Uk then you can ask them to buy these herbs for you. They are available at any Holland and Barretts store.

I'm sure there will be equivalent herbs in Nigeria but I'm just not familiar with Nigerian herbs and flora. Perhaps you can do some research into it.

frank317:


Finally, all u are here talking is not what the op is all about

I say the guy has already admitted that he is not here to contribute to the discussion in any Truthful way. He is just here to scatter the ground with imbecilities.

Ihedinobi3:

I don't know about you loving to discuss religion. In my experience with you, discussion was a barrage of insults and personal attacks from you. So, I can't really credit what you say here.

In your experience. You should ask yourself why it is your experience but hardly the case with anyone else.

Ihedinobi3:

I don't expect you to see the truth much less agree with it.

But would he ever admit that? Truth, any kind of truth, is very unpalatable for your kind, PastorAIO.

What Truth? What do you have to do with the Truth? Have you any concern with the Truth? Do you intend to contribute any Truth here?

The answer each time is No, No, No, and No.

Furthermore you admit it and are proud of it and declare confidently that you are not here to discuss Truth.

Ihedinobi3:

The Bible expressly told me not to offer the Truth to people who don't want it. So I try not to. If other Christians are doing it, well, we all make mistakes.

So your modus operandi when you meet such a person that you consider to be an 'anti-christian' is not to discuss the Truth of any matter, but rather to obfuscate and reduce the discussion into a very unmerry-go-round of idiocy and nonsense.
You are a peddler of nonsense and you are proud to declare such as your modus operandi.

Ihedinobi3:

As for calling you a weirdo, I remember saying that you are weird. Perhaps the two are the same. But here you are justifying your ad hominem with my staying that you are weird. Do you want a list of all the insults that you were vomiting at me on that thread? And you think my saying you are weird is justification enough for you to bring the same bile to another thread?

You may find my words insulting but I think that they are just facts about you.

Sometimes the truth can be so hurtful.

Ihedinobi3:

Why does it take some scientists so long to figure out the obvious? Then when they do, they totally misinterpret it too. And then acolytes like you begin to spread the nonsense everywhere.

I so sorry to bother you with the nonsense of Scientists who have spent their life times studying neurology. I forgot that you by default are of much superior intellect that everybody else. pele, forgive me. Forgive the stupid scientists.

hahn:


The reality is that it is not even possible under physical laws for them to exist.

He said they were transcendent so by definition they wouldn't be under physical laws. Unless by Transcendent he means they transcend something else other than physical laws.

Frankly I find this thread quite ill defined and nonsensical from its very premise.

haywizzy007:

Lemme ask you, which title is greater...MY LORD OR MY GOD (oh yeah, a reasonable person would say 'MY GOD' is greater).
Jesus not only called Yahweh Lord in the scriptures, he called him MY GOD. (John 20:17) biko, what else do you want?

What about if you are called both Lord and God?

John 20:28

And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.


in the greek Theos is preceded by 'ho' which is the definite article so we know he wasn't talking about 'a god' but 'The God'.

Image123:


You'd be okay soon in Jesus name. amen

Sorry for the mention but you provided a wonderful example of what I was trying to point out.

MuttleyLaff:
Be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be "inebriated" with the Spirit;

My attention has just been drawn to this post with a 'like'. It kinda sums up my position on this matter:

PastorAIO:





I want to suggest first that the 'perceived bleakness and harshness of the "truth"' is just as much subjective as any other perception of the "truth" a person may have had.

We regard the universe from many different perspectives. Each perspective will give us a slightly (or not so slightly) different picture.

A man who is depressed (yes depression is just a physiological state which has profound effects on our perceptions) will see a meaningless universe. That meaninglessness that he perceives is not objectively out there but is projected out onto the world from the 'diseased' mind of the depressed person.

A man who is Enthused about life will look out and see a universe full of Meaning. This Meaningful universe thus perceived is equally just a projection from the robust mind of the Enthused person.


The person that does not want to die is merely responding to an instinct in him. His survival instinct.

On the other hand there are people who are suicidal. It follows that suicidal people have lost that survival instinct, or the survival instinct in them has abated for some reason or the other. The reason could be purely physiological. Or it could be a reaction to a series of unfortunate events in a person's life.

Perhaps it's the level of Serotonin in the bloodstream that creates the effect whereby a person lives a meaningful life. Or perhaps it's something else. However there is a correlation between depression and the level of Serotonin in a person's bloodstream.

What the OP is doing is taking a viewpoint that is seen by such folks as are admittedly diseased psychologically and presenting that as the real objective reality. I beg to differ. I believe that it is just as jaundiced as the perspective of the Enthused person.
In other words, it's just another perspective.


Another thing that I have against OP is the presumption that religion necessarily gives meaning as an opiate against a meaningless truth.

Yet there are many religious people who become depressed, even suicidal. Piety does not cover up an sense of meaninglessness for them.

And yet again, there are many people without religion who are so full of enthusiasm for life and all of it's ridiculous follies. They live lives full of meaning.

How is this possible?


I believe that Meaning, or the quest for meaning, is something beyond mental calculations and little 'l' logic.


What gives meaning is a strong brew!!!

Please read the post you're responding to properly before responding. I get so excited when I see that I've got a mention, but imagine the disappointment when I read it and it is totally irrelevant.

Or maybe it is not irrelevant. Are you saying that the Bible is God in written form? Oh my God, that is actually what you are saying.

And if I make a thread called Contra Bibliolatria Ihedinobi will jump in and start foaming at the mouth and chanting gibberish.

Well if the Bible is your god then that buttresses my point. The OP needs to define what he means by God first because it is plain to see that your own God does exist. In fact I have about 5 copies of your god on my shelves.

brodalokie:


Let me help out with the misguided or misleading information you may have acquired from the Pagans, that worship an araba or iroko tree, a rock or iron.
They fact is that because every matter possess an Aura of God himself gives it some sort of potential or power but God is not there, He is now in a humaniod form (Adam was His carbon copy or clone) in the person of Jesus Christ or the Bible is God in written form.
Bible refference: in Him (Jesus) dwelleth the fullness of the Godhead bodily.
And without controversy, great is the mystery of Godliness, God was manifest in the flesh...
To wit that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto Himself, and not imputing our Iniquity... Etc etc

Ihedinobi3:

What can I say? I can't read for you, PastorAIO. I said:

"Christians think that you, PastorAIO, are spiritually lost and misguided so they pity you and preach to you and pray for you. If you think that it is okay to try to save Christians from their own choices, then it is only fair to accept that their preaching to you and praying for you is equally okay too."

That means that what you are supporting and Frank317 is doing here is hypocrisy. You can't in one breath complain that Christians stop you on the road and preach to you and in the next start threads to help Christians realize the error of their beliefs and "confusion".

There is no difference between "one" pity and the other.

Finally, how did you decide that I'm upset? Are you omniscient?

You are really trying to milk this fact that he told you that Christians stop him to preach to him. But of course you must lie. you now claim that he started this thread after he mentioned being stopped by christians.

Actually he mentioned being accosted by christians in response to what you said and not as a reason for why he started this thread.

And yes, there is a difference between one pity and the other. In one you could do nothing to alleviate the situation and in the other you can help to alleviate the condition. That is a big difference and central to the point I was making.

I get prayed for and preached to all the time by all sorts, from muslims, to catholics, to penterascals etc etc etc. In fact most of the time I enjoy the conversations, as you can probably tell I love discussing religion.


I am pretty close to omniscience, yes.

Ihedinobi3:

The title went:

"I Really Pity Christians".

The post is in a public forum.

What more do you need me to say?

I don't need you to say anything.
Say nothing until you read the OP perhaps. But only if you care to, personally I'm not bothered.

There are millions of religious tracts published in the public domain. Many of those literature attack other religions and atheists etc. I repeat, nobody forced you to enter this thread. If you feel insulted by his pity just pass him by. I'm sure neither of you will miss each other.

Ihedinobi3:

LOL. I knew the ad hominem couldn't be that far behind.

As for your argument, who does the changing of our way of thinking and choices?

And who or what determined our choices in our "unconscious"? In fact, what is our "unconscious"?

I'll hand you over to experts.

this study is the first to show unconscious predictive activity in a region associated with decision making—the prefrontal cortex—according to Haynes. The results support the notion that unconscious brain activity comes first and conscious experience follows as a result, says Patrick Haggard of University College London, who was not involved with the study. “We all think that we have a conscious free will,” he says. “However, this study shows that actions come from preconscious brain activity patterns and not from the person consciously thinking about what they are going to do.”

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/unconscious-decisions/



You forget where you were calling me a weirdo on the other thread. Continue feeling sorry for yourself, you hypocrite. Ad hominem ko, Ad hominem ni.

Ihedinobi3:



Everything we think, say and do is what we choose to think, say and do.

This is simply not true. Untrue on so many different levels.

For example many of us, obviously you are not included here, are compelled by facts and strong arguments to change our way of thinking and our choices. That you think that your thoughts are a matter of personal choice sheds a lot of light in many of your most idiotic utterances.

Then on another level it known scientifically that many of our supposed choices have actually been determined beforehand in our unconscious.

Ihedinobi3:




You are either forgetting or ignoring that these people came to Him:

Mark 6:30-34
[30]The apostles gathered together with Jesus; and they reported to Him all that they had done and taught.
[31]And He said to them, "Come away by yourselves to a secluded place and rest a while." (For there were many people coming and going, and they did not even have time to eat.)
[32]They went away in the boat to a secluded place by themselves.
[33]The people saw them going, and many recognized them and ran there together on foot from all the cities, and got there ahead of them.
[34]When Jesus went ashore, He saw a large crowd, and He felt compassion for them because they were like sheep without a shepherd; and He began to teach them many things.

But the OP did not drag anybody here. You are the one that used your 2 leg to waka come here.

Ihedinobi3:

What have you said here exactly? That you offer condolences and some material gift or mind your own business, no? Well, I said that if I can give my condolences and a material gift without being offensive to the people I consider needy or to the bereaved ones, then I would. Otherwise, I would mind my business. What's the difference between the two things, that is, between what I said and what you just said? So, what was this dodgy reasoning you wanted to show me?

And what did I say that you felt the need to correct with the above?

And you clearly don't pity Christians the way I pity the needy and the bereaved. I keep my pity to myself unless I am allowed to express it without giving offense. You, on the other hand, are a crusader looking to deliver people from their own preferred choices. That is the definition of a busybody.

Hopefully you'll understand. The dodgy reasoning is based on your conflating the pity the OP says he has for christians and the pity you have for the bereaved.

The irony part is that you are so upset that someone is proselytizing to 'christians' out of pity, saying people should be free to follow their preferred choices yet you can say this:

you, PastorAIO, are spiritually lost and misguided so they pity you and preach to you and pray for you.

That's called hypocrisy.

Ihedinobi3:

So, again, your problem is English words. Judging by prior experience, I clearly can't do anything about that.

Since we all get into each other's space, I don't expect you to go on complaining about Christians preaching to or around you. But being an atheist and a remarkable hypocrite, you will anyway, won't you?

And you clearly don't pity Christians the way I pity the needy and the bereaved. I keep my pity to myself unless I am allowed to express it without giving offense. You, on the other hand, are a crusader looking to deliver people from their own preferred choices. That is the definition of a busybody.

Haba! See dodgy reasoning!!

If you pity a bereaved person there is nothing you can do about their case other than express condolences to help ease their troubled emotions. Same with a needy person. If you can help them to satisfy their need then pity would lead you to do so otherwise you might offer condolences or just shut up about their condition.

This is totally different from the Pity you have for someone who is totally lost intellectually who is misguided in life. If you can help then, if you truly feel pity, then you would. After all- What Would Jesus Do?

When he disembarked and saw the vast crowd,
his heart was moved with pity for them,
for they were like sheep without a shepherd;
and he began to teach them many things.

—Mark 6:34

Clearly Jesus wouldn't keep his pity to himself. He would, to quote your words, be 'looking to deliver people from their own preferred choices'.

It is interesting, your choice of words there, 'preferred choices'. Almost like the gamblers life style is his 'preferred choice', and the igbo smokers too. It makes your religious life sound like an arbitrary choice.


Quite a contrast from those who are Compelled to become christian.

14For Christ’s love compels us, because we are convinced that One died for all, therefore all died.

2Corinthinans 5:14

Time measures Change.

Some things change at a very steady rate and so we can use them to measure time. For example the pulsing of a quartz crystal. Or better still the position of the Sun in the Sky. It is first seen in the east and about 12 hours later it is in the west having proceeded slowly from it's starting point.

johnydon22:
I think this is a necessary question to understand the nature of the disagreements exercised here.

Atheists: What sort of evidence would you think is sufficient enough to convince that God/Gods truly exists?

Theists: What kind of evidence or lack thereof would make you think or lean towards the idea that God/Gods probably do not exist?

This line of questioning would be a nonstarter unless certain things are established first. I reckon the first thing that must be established What We Mean by God.

A man who worships a rock as God has the evidence right there before him every time he goes to worship.

REPEAT:


I found this on a website and thought it quite interesting and pertinent to this thread. Apparently this happened in a discussion between Dawkins and a Rabbi.

Here's a pertinent quote:
The author insisted, however, that he was referring to the God of the Old Testament as he actually appears in the text. This prompted Lord Sachs to accuse Dawkins of reading the Bible "literally, as a fundamentalist."
"How do you decide which bits are symbolic and which bits are not?" Dawkins later asked.
"Very simple," the Chief Rabbi replied. "The rabbis in the 10th century laid down the following principle: if a biblical narrative is incompatible with established scientific fact, it is not to be read literally."

http://theologica.ning.com/forum/topics/scientific-fact-determines-hermeneutic?page=2&commentId=2124612%3AComment%3A427428&x=1#2124612Comment427428

PastorAIO:
Intentions:

I can speak with the intention of making a specific point.

I can speak with the intention of obfuscation and hiding a point.

I can speak with the intention of expressing the possibility of a number of options. For instance, in a joke. My intention is to make you think I'm making one point but with the punchline you realise that the point is actually different. I can't think of a joke right now to illustrate..... I'll be back with one.

A great possible example here:

Image123:
^it's not exactly a new perspective. The statement is 'ambiguous' if i'm permitted to use that word. Actually it's a play of/on words by the all seeing, all knowing Creator. The two meanings are true and applicable. Many will say that Jesus is Christ, and will deceive many. Other manys will say they are the Christ i.e the messiah, and many will be deceived. Also add that Jesus had not just the immediate audience in mind when He spoke/abi na spake. He seemed to have a future audience, even yet in our future, in mind. He's the unparalleled, really, the One who created grammar, the Word personified.

Repeating this question...

PastorAIO:


Please does anyone know of the difference between the Logos in the bible and the Logos as understood in a wider context.

In order words, there is something that you can come into contact with in life that will cause you to perceive meaning everywhere. Lack of this thing ( let me call it an elixir) will cause you to no longer see meanings and subsequently will leave you feeling depressed.

Also note that Depression is not an ideal state for a human. Some depressives like to wallow in their depression as if possessed by the depression but ideally sanguinity is preferred.

francis247:

Yes, exactly. There is no basis whatsoever for my premise that life is meaningless

May I suggest that when you say that you 'ascribe' meaning to life that in actual fact it is not an act of volition and also it is not quite as arbitrary as it may seem.

To put it bluntly I would like to suggest that meaning is the product of an 'inebriated' mind.

Is there a system of reasoning that is not somewhere rooted in a paradox?