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We are not disadvantaged for though outwardly we perish but iinwardly we are being renewed day by day.

Oluwason:
Thanks be to God who daily lead me triumphantly in Christ Jesus.

Yes, but as u walk consciously in the spirit.

If we live in the spirit let us there walk in the spirit.

We are created for far more and death couldnt have been the end, so where do u spend the rest of ur life after death?

His children that help with the miracles are busy with his other courses.

ebenice:
Thanks@ PastorOluT.. Thats a good one . But what i'm actualy particular abt is THE ENDS THAT JUSTIFY THE MEANS of "Be ye perfect even as your Heavenly FATHER is perfect,"

Yes, the end justify the means, but also note that the means always also justiify the end.

If a believer wants to pray in spirit, he must first learn to walk in the spirit. A man can never walk during the day according to the flesh and pray in the spirit when it is time to pray. The way he prays can't be very different from the way he lives, the spiritual condition of many people shows that they are not qualified to pray. The quality of a person's prayers is determined by the way he lives, for how can a fleshy person pray a spiritual prayer? Even a spiritual person may not necessary pray a spiritual prayer because if he is not watchful he will fall into the flesh.

However, if a spiritual person continually prays in spirit, his prayers will maintain his spirit and mind in a state of harmony with God. Prayer is an exercise of our spirit, and our spirit is strengthened through exercise. If we become negligent in prayer, our spirit shrivel. Nothing can substitute for prayers, even work can't substitute for prayer. Many of us do not spend much time to pray because we are too busy with our work, Consequently the demons are not cast out. Prayers allows us to first overcome the enemy within before we deal with him outside of us. Whoever fights the enemy on their knees will find the enemy defeated when they rise up to meet him face to face. Through this kind of exercise a spiritual man gradually becomes strong.

If believers prays all the time in the Holy Spirit, their spirit will be greatly developed, they will have very keen feelings in spiritual matters, and all of their spiritual drowsiness will be removed.

Stay blessed and remain rapturable

It should be noted that Christianity is not meant to be compartmentalize (that is putting things in defferent departments and trying to attain it), this is the reason for constant struggle and hence lacking or denying the power thereof. When we gave our lives to Christ we received a package and in that package all is included (perfection, sanctification, righteousness, holiness etc). It is either u have Christ and have all these, or you do not have Christ and all these cos Christ is the defining factor.

Now when we talk about perfection as Christians, we are already perfect in Christ n there is no longer any need for us to strive for perfection again, but it should be noted that there ought to be the manifestation of that perfection which is where the working out of what the Holy Spirit had worked or working in us as the case maybe. Christ has been made to us all things, so we possess the Holy Spirit and has all these virtues but the thing is that it is in us as in seed form and needed to blosom and manifest which is where our being diligent comes in. We are already like Christ and thus perfect but the sad thing is that the manifestation isnt there, so we ought to grow to the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ that we might manifest the LIFE.

What I am mostly concerned for us Christians is not just to possess the virtues or manifest, but growth, I personally believe as we grow in Christ everything will take cue itself and surely manifestation will take place. It should noted that we are not trying to attain anything as Christians cos we already have all, but we are to manifest the LIFE and LIGHT cos we can either manifest or not. So what I am saying in nutshell is that though we already are perfect in Christ and that is how God sees us, yet we are all still work in progress and the manifestation of the perfection comes as we mature in Christ. This will continue till we get to the other side of eternity when the FLESH we be done away with and we have the capacity for full manifestation.

We are perfect already, being made perfect, and work in progress in the manifestation of the LIFE as we continue on this side of eternity.

Stay blessed and remain rapturable

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fijiano202:
RIP but moses orimollade is the founder of allll C&S

I use to think as much, so what exactly was founded by him?

Over the years people have always thought of death as the worse thing that can ever happen to man, but this is very wrong because there is more to our lives than here and now. We are created for far more and death couldn't have been the end of such intricately created being such as us, it is just a passage or transition into the real world we are truly meant for this present one is just a shadow of the one to come.

God created us a spirit who has a soul and live in a body (flesh), so though we die in the flesh and loses our earthly container to decay, our actual self continue to live on for all eternity because we are created spirit to live forever. We use our spirit to contact the spiritual realm (this is the reason we can actually connect with God and other creatures can't), while we use our soul to cantact the intellectual realm (the soul consist of the will, the mind which comprises of intellect n senses, and the emotions), and lastly the body (our earthly tent which keeps us here on earth) to contact the physical realm. This is the reason though many at times we are ignorant of who we truly are, but we get a taste of the spiritual once in a while in dreams, vision, trance, intuition etc, this is a way of God reminding us of we truly are. So concluding life is no more than this is just being ingnorant and very short sighted, and not living purposeful life in this present one in preparation for the one to come it calamitious and the effect is far reaching.

A life without purpose is the worst that could happen to anyone, because we are all put here for a reason and a purpose that we might please the father. And we know purpose only and actually start with Christ Jesus because in Him we live, move and have our being, so developing a relationship and walking with Him brings you into a purposeful living. A wise man once said, "some people dies at 20 years but only get buried at 80 years", this is actually talking about poeple living purposeless lives even after the age of 20 and continue like that for good numbers of decades till they eventually dies. So obviously a life without purpose is the worst thing that could ever happen to anyone. But for anyone to even discover his purpose and start walking in it, he needs to encounter Jesus and walk with Him which only then will the true meaning of life be unveiled and he will be able to live a meaningful live that he was created for.

For we are God's [own] handiwork (His workmanship), [d] recreated in Christ Jesus, [born anew] that we may do those good works which God predestined (planned beforehand) for us [taking paths which He prepared ahead of time], that we should walk in them [living the good life which He prearranged and made ready for us to live].

Ephesians 2:10 (Amplified Bible)

Stay blessed and remain rapturable

Over the years people have always thought of death as the worse thing that can ever happen to man, but this is very wrong because there is more to our lives than here and now. We are created for far more and death couldn't have been the end of such intricately created being such as us, it is just a passage or transition into the real world we are truly meant for this present one is just a shadow of the one to come.

God created us a spirit who has a soul and live in a body (flesh), so though we die in the flesh and loses our earthly container to decay, our actual self continue to live on for all eternity because we are created spirit to live forever. We use our spirit to contact the spiritual realm (this is the reason we can actually connect with God and other creatures can't), while we use our soul to cantact the intellectual realm (the soul consist of the will, the mind which comprises of intellect n senses, and the emotions), and lastly the body (our earthly tent which keeps us here on earth) to contact the physical realm. This is the reason though many at times we are ignorant of who we truly are, but we get a taste of the spiritual once in a while in dreams, vision, trance, intuition etc, this is a way of God reminding us of we truly are. So concluding life is no more than this is just being ingnorant and very short sighted, and not living purposeful life in this present one in preparation for the one to come it calamitious and the effect is far reaching.

A life without purpose is the worst that could happen to anyone, because we are all put here for a reason and a purpose that we might please the father. And we know purpose only and actually start with Christ Jesus because in Him we live, move and have our being, so developing a relationship and walking with Him brings you into a purposeful living. A wise man once said, "some people dies at 20 years but only get buried at 80 years", this is actually talking about poeple living purposeless lives even after the age of 20 and continue like that for good numbers of decades till they eventually dies. So obviously a life without purpose is the worst thing that could ever happen to anyone. But for anyone to even discover his purpose and start walking in it, he needs to encounter Jesus and walk with Him which only then will the true meaning of life be unveiled and he will be able to live a meaningful live that he was created for.

For we are God's [own] handiwork (His workmanship), [d] recreated in Christ Jesus, [born anew] that we may do those good works which God predestined (planned beforehand) for us [taking paths which He prepared ahead of time], that we should walk in them [living the good life which He prearranged and made ready for us to live].

Ephesians 2:10 (Amplified Bible)

Stay blessed and remain rapturable

Babe2sure:
They have that believe at their own peril! We should learn from other people's experiences. Afterall, it is the best teacher.

Though, some things will sound weird, but life itself is a mystery.

Yeah, bt interestingly enough they have their own loaded experiences too bt they explain it away to their peril as u said.

Babe2sure:
I couldn't agee with you more. The spiritual definitely supercedes the physical and ultimately controls it. You can see people recounting their experiences, that shows that, these things are beyond our control.

We should also not disregard our subconscious mind. Instinct tells us things sometimes, at such times, we should follow it or we should pray if it is not a palatable one, it could still avert some occurrences. And that is one of the ways God speaks to us. Never disregard internal warning, our having holy spirit will help us more in this regard.

Be careful whatever you wish for, you might get it! That is to tell you the power of the subconscious mind cannot be over-emphasized.

Yeah, bt very surprising ow some say/think/believe n delude themselves that this is all there is to life while the spiritual stare them in d face in their daily lives.

Anyways God has blessed us with freewill n no one could be stopped from believing what he wills, bt there is sure consequences to our different believes n which directly influence our actions n vice versa.

Babe2sure:
It is actually called 'Telepathy or the sixth-sense'. The. communication between two souls. Everyone experiences it at one time or the other. It now depends on your spiritual level that will make you experience it more.
1) That is why, you will be thinking of your friend whom you have not seen a long time and the person will call you at that time.
2) A mother will grow restless at a point only to know later that something bad happen to her child somewhere else.
3) A twin will not be happy only to know that his/her twin was injured somewhere else.
So many examples abound.
There is no scientific explanation for it. It just happens.

Is this nt a good sign that there is more to life than here n now? The spirit really exist n these things are just signs of a taste into d spiritual. The spiritual sure supersedes n control the physical so it is only advisable we know how it works.

NB Though no one should ever venture into the spirit world without the Holy Spirit cos that would be suicidal. Develop a relationship with Jesus today n let the Holy Spirit lead u to a world of exploit in the spiritual.

FrancisTony:
Lol! And someone guessed he never got the HIV from having sex with a woman.

Well, happy for him- whatever makes him feel good.

P.S- No homophobes should quote me. Thanks

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twosquare:
ok. Seun please I rarely receive notification about mentioning again.pls rectify this

Sorry been a little bit tight, bear with me pls.

Precious14:
PastorOluT i am fine thank you and i believe you are doing well too?

A happy new year to you too.....Thank you

U welcome

twosquare:
looks like Nairaland don't notify people of long post again or what!
Salvation is relative...what I mean is we have to know the in-depth of salvation. You can be in heaven and yet you're not save as you ought to be saved. When angels looks at such a fellow, they will say this one has not passed through salvation and that's what will give birth to cries and weeping and gnashing of teeth in that time(Luke 13:28)It is worse than being thrown into the Lake. Like I said that if you want to know a prototype of what salvation is: look at the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost. So, if you ask me if those in hell will end up being saved, this will I say to you: I won't use "saved" coz it is deep but if they can stroll to heaven? Yes.

Concerning the 1st and 2nd resurrection(coz two types of resurrection will happen): the saints and the wicked. To be a partaker in the 1st meant you're sealed, ur fate is not staggering maybe u'll be there or here and there is surety about your destiny. But the ones that will have the 2nd resurrection, you're OYO. Anything can happen. That's why they will be judged according to their works. Even Death and Hell was cast into the Lake before them. But the yardstick for humans is the clause, anyone not found written in the Book of Life. There is a reason it was said like that. In other words, there is a probability to escape the "death which God Himself will administer to spirits"- which we call the 2nd death. All is needed is your name be found in that Book. Whosoever, God won't look at faces. Not everyone is a "Lake" material,the scripture in Revelation mentioned the category of those who will partake in the 2nd death. Since Revelation is the realm of the sealing times(check 20:5, maybe they lived again after the thousand yrs. Just drawing attention to something there,I won't talk abt that). These are the category:

Rev 21:8: the fearful, unbelieving, abominable, murderers,whoremongers, sorcerers, idolaters and all liars. These are the category of people that shall be a partaker. Know that those are spiritual terminologies, it is beyond the works of the flesh. No..;just look at them again. I will summarize it.

-Fearful(cowards, those who doesn't want to lose their life-which is a lie and want to save it)

-unbelieving-( believing a different way,shortcut-they don't believe in overcoming(Life of God)

-abominable(hateful to the Truth which is Life. Made Unclean by their love for the Lie which are according to the workings of satan)

-Murderers(beyond killing your fellow human being. These ones are those who annihilate Life of God in themselves and others- self suicide)

-Whoremongers(beyond being a fornicator or an adulterer. Those who are pleasure seekers of another Life that differs from Truth. They love the pleasure of this present age.)

-sorcerers(beyond practices of magic. Those who sorcerize with their soul. High wisdom of deception. Not physical magic.)

-idolaters(beyond graven image worship. These are simply worshippers. Those who shall worship the way of satan. Who have the might to carry out satanic agenda.)

-Liars(beyond literal lying. Those who lived a lifestyle different from Truth. John 14:6)

So, this is it....maybe, maybe not..someone with a higher revelation can disprove this. The yardstick is with Him but the categories are mentioned. Maranatha.

It will be better to open a new thread to discuss this for we have derailed this one. This thread is very important cos so many xtians are not even aware that there is a salvation of the soul. So I suggest we no longer derail it.

I will open another thread on "Does the poeple presently in Hell still have hope?" I will put down my thoughts here n what d bible says so we can all discuss it.

Precious14:
Thought provoking. Thank you PastorOluT. The end is indeed here

Hello, long time ow have u been, hope all is well?

Happy New Year, enjoy the year in d presence of the Lord.

asodeboyede:
I can convincingly by the help of God state 101 things tithe is all about and its benefits!
What else will you build your points on? That Jesus didn't preach or receive tithe? Paul and other Apostles? Where did they also wipe it off?
But, now that I perceive what you are driving at, I would rather steer clear of this thread or go on holiday!
Am long done with tithing issue on NL
Shalom!

U perceived what I am driving at? This is surprising cos u dont even have an idea.

NB Bt my stance, if u pay tithe I dont have issue with u bt when u start making it a doctrine that when I have problem. Also the way many are being exploited, u dont have to be around for long to know that.

frosbel:
confuse ?

Why should apparent truths of God be confusing ? Surely the truth should be clear and direct not confusing , don't you agree !

Yeah the truth is clear n direct, bt when the authors of the scriptures r questioned definitely d content would/should also be question, there lies the danger.

If d content of the scriptures be adjudged error, that means we all xtian are in trouble n we have all believed wrongly and there is no longer any reason for the faith!

But thank God the scriptures (the content irrespective of the authors) is true and our hope in Christ is real.

1Corithians 15:19 If we who are [abiding] in Christ have hope only in this life and that is all, then we are of all people most miserable and to be pitied.

twosquare:
Now, let me first say that I am not God to decide who shall partake of the second death; the standard which He will use is yet to be revealed to me. But this I know, books will be opened and the dead will be judged according to their works. Probably the judgement there is the decision among the heavenly council and whosever (God means it. Whosoever) is not found in the Book Of Life will be thrown into the Lake before Hell and Death will follow. For Death is the last enemy that shall be defeated.

Now, this you should know. If we are to make it simpler: Heaven,Kingdom of God, Hell, Lake are real. This is the main thing. Entering Heaven is not the concern of the Father but He wants people to enter the Kingdom. Heaven is so spacious and bigger than our earth in a million fold. Making(entering) Heaven doesn't make you a conqueror, but entering the Kingdom makes you one. I am in Earth pastorOluT, but am not in the Kingdom of the earth. Am just a citizen. So if I by pardon I leave kirikiri, and I enter the world where people live in comfortably in America. That doesn't mean am in the Kingdom of America, am just living in the sphere called America. Infact I will be of the lowest cadre being an ex-convict.

Thank God you understand Yoruba lang. To make you understand, I want to speak to you in a native tongue. When you hear Kingdom, think of governance. "Ijoba" is Kingdom, "ijoba" is also government. "Orun" is just Heaven. Now "ijoba" means "ijo awa(awon) lobaloba". That is the congregation of princes, kings, nobles, priest like entities. So,I may not be counted among the folks there, coz I treated it with disdain when given the chance on earth. I won't be at the helms of affairs nor be among the rulers and kings in the world to come. Even this present Heaven christians are running to will perish later, it will wax old and God Himself will destroy it. But His Kingdom abides ever.

U are still nt directly answering my question, maybe u should look it over again?

U said u can say who will partake of the second death or what yardstick the Lord would use? I know u believe the scriptures cos its boldly written therein that

4 Then I saw thrones, and sitting on them were those to whom authority to act as judges and to pass sentence was entrusted. Also I saw the souls of those who had been slain with axes [beheaded] for their witnessing to Jesus and [for preaching and testifying] for the Word of God, and who had refused to pay homage to the beast or his statue and had not accepted his mark or permitted it to be stamped on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived again and ruled with Christ (the Messiah) a thousand years. (A)

5 The remainder of the dead were not restored to life again until the thousand years were completed. This is the first resurrection.

6 Blessed (happy, [a] to be envied) and holy (spiritually whole, of unimpaired innocence and proved virtue) is the person who takes part (shares) in the first resurrection! Over them the second death exerts no power or authority, but they shall be ministers of God and of Christ (the Messiah), and they shall rule along with Him a thousand years.

Revelation 20

So those that overcome firstly has overcome forever n the second death has no power over then anymore. I believe u know the second death is the eternal damnation which will have power over those later mentioned

12 I [also] saw the dead, great and small; they stood before the throne, and books were opened. Then another book was opened, which is [the Book] of Life. And the dead were judged (sentenced) by what they had done [ [b] their whole way of feeling and acting, their aims and endeavors] in accordance with what was recorded in the books.

13 And the sea delivered up the dead who were in it, death and Hades ( [c] the state of death or disembodied existence) surrendered the dead in them, and all were tried and their cases determined by what they had done [according to their motives, aims, and works].

14 Then death and Hades ( [d] the state of death or disembodied existence) were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire.

15 And if anyone's [name] was not found recorded in the Book of Life, he was hurled into the lake of fire.

Though this is nt my question bt since u mentioned it I had to show what the scriptures says concerning it. Maybe I should mk it simpler

Are u saying that those in Hell presently can still end up being saved or in Heaven or kingdom of God?

NB Uderstood the difference btw the kingdom of God n Heaven so no need to try state d difference again

asodeboyede:
What are we saying here? It seems you people has forgotten that tithe has been in existence before the law was given to Moses! Abraham the first man to tithe(The Father of Faith), tithed 430years before the law! So tithing is older than the law and no way subjected to the law; the law only spelt it out more boldly and helped more in consolidating it into a more visible and impregnable precept! Tithing transcends the law of Moses, and cannot die out with it, till the final consummation of things!

Jesus Himself recognised tithing when He reproved the pharisees of being selective in their obedience(Matthew 23:23)!
Malachai 3:10 or no Malachai 3:10, it is the will of God to tithe, and those that worship God in truth and Spirit(John 4:24) know this!

Truly we are in the end time!

Bro u havent been able to proof anything so far, Jesus recognized fasting? I never know, and for ur info Jesus was under the law then Galatians 4:4 n not until His death that the covenant began.

Tithe was before the law, true, bt what was tithing all about then?

frosbel:
^^

Watchman Nee is a Mystic , tread carefully so as not to mislead others !

http://www.apologeticsindex.org/2694-watching-out-for-watchman-nee

Smile, u know the problem frosbel u are too soulish (sensual),concerning urself mostly with letters (right or wrong). If I may shock u, xtianity isnt about right or wrong bt being led by the leadership of the HolyGhost, though this is nt to mean that we now walk in error cos the Holy Spirit never leads into error.

Forget all these info u scoop on the net (too much info makes one soulish, carnal), I have been reading watchman Nee's book (by God's grace I have read quite a few) for over a decade now n I tell u he is one of the finest teacher that ever graced this world.

Have u read any of his books? If yes point out the errors n lets look at it in d light of the scriptures.

twosquare:
this is the reason...Hell will still give up those held captive there. The present people in charge of that place are demons and they're the tormentors there. Hell is a prison yard, just like Kirikiri in Nigeria. So when people die and goes to hell, they enter into torment. As mentioned in Revelation 20:13-14, you'll see that what men are experiencing right now is hell, Lake is yet to come. Evil spirits don't fear hell, it is natural habitat but what they are afraid of is Lake of Fire. It was a design orchestrated by God and imagine what will torment(pain) a Cherub(satan), should men be a partaker of such? So, the reason they want to delay their end is because of Lake of Fire, not hell and you can see the two are different and higher than the other.

Understood from the scriptures the differrent btw Hell n lake of fire, bt in d same Revelation u quoted Hell is given up d dead in it for destruction (in d lake of fire). So anyone that finds himself in d present Hell will definitely end up d Lake of fire which is the second death.

NB No one is ever going to move from Hell to Heaven, this has been done before when Jesus died n went to Hell He gave all d opportunity to enter Heaven.

Revelation 20:14 Then death and Hades ( [d] the state of death or disembodied existence) were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire.

asodeboyede:
"Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ
hath made us free, and be not entangled again with
the yoke of bondage."
"Thanks be to God, who delivers me through Jesus
Christ our Lord!
So then, I myself in my mind am a slave to God’s law,
but in my sinful nature a slave to the law of sin.
Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those
who are in Christ Jesus, because through Christ
Jesus the law of the Spirit who gives life has set you
free from the law of sin and death. For what the
law was powerless to do because it was weakened by
the flesh, God did by sending his own Son in the
likeness of sinful flesh to be a sin offering. And so
he condemned sin in the flesh, in order that the
righteous requirement of the law might be fully met
in us, who do not live according to the flesh but
according to the Spirit."
I am not a prisoner of the law, so I pledged no allegiance to the law!
Love is supreme, that is the New Divine Order!
If you love God, your tithe won't be a heck!
Capisce?

U dont get, its not about the heck (permit me to borrow ur word) of paying tithe, but the reason behind it and if its God's will or not?

This is a very good topic n such making fp n not some with baseless arguements.

twosquare has said so much bt there is much more to be said which I dont even know where to start from. If its possible I will enjoin the op (@ efficiencie) to get the book The spiritual man by watchman Nee for better understanding. U xan also read my right up on the salvation of spirit, soul, n body https://www.nairaland.com/1497549/salvation-spirit-soul-body

@twosquare u have done so well, bt I will like u to clarify the issue of Hell being a temporary place?

Preciousgirl:
i want to live a holy life
blameless before GOD
Please help me

Hmm, u are not starting from the right place dear, suprisingly what u need is nt to be holy bt wholly. U need to wholly surrender urself to Christ every other thing will follow suit.

U are putting the cart before the horse which is a great mistake n by that u canever attain what u seek. Make decision for Christ today n totally surrender to Him as u mk Him d utmost in ur life n see Him release the grace to live the Christ life in U.

I have so many things to say bt timse n space wouldnt permit. If u can get d book Normal Christian life by Watchman Nee, it will really be of help.

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clemzo101:
I have always being dis type of person that does not believe in too many miracles by men of God, everyone knows me at home for that. My elder bro brought a man of God to my father's house for prayers, I didn't join dem though in d prayers, after everything I was told d man of God said they shld break a concrete and cenmented area in the house that something is buried there and immediately breeaking and digging commenced, my family members said they werre all amazed that they dug out charms and some oda funny funny things, they told me to come and see it b4 burning it, I told dem I wasn't interested that they shld go ahead and burn it. My aunt and my elder ones were shaken but they were suprised wen I still told dem that I don't believe in all those stuffs, all they could say was that I am possessed and that I need deliverance. I laughed over it and left, but during my quiet time I pondered over it and presently I'm a little bit confused. Pls nairalanders I'm I really possessed

Nah u are not possessed bt need to become a believer. U need to start a relationship with Jesus and ur life will never emain d same again.

U are right ntt to believe all miracles cos we move by d word n not signs, also the bible says test all spirit so u will do well to text all spirit not to be pludged in deceit.

italo:
Banning street preaching is too extreme...especially when you havent banned street prostitutes, shouting bus conductors, street product advertizers and marketers, street political campaigns etc.

A very good point