₦airaland Forum

Henry240:
Where do these terrorists get ATGMs from? How is it so easy for them?

Saudi/Gulf States ->Syria->Libya/Sinai

chkil:
as before, egyptian army will ask the permit of israel to let them launch a massive operation in sinai , and send in sinai tanks , f16, apach ... , kill hundreds terrorists arrest hundreds others then return to its position and let in sinai only military levels set in the Camp David Accords and demilitarized area .

Makes sense though.

Isreal would get nervous if Egypt deployed large forces to the Sinai.

Things are getting hot in the Sinai
https://www.funker530.com/islamic-state-egypt/

Henry240:
RSA is only ahead of Azerbaijian and Kazhkstan that's nothing to be proud of.
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There are 196 countries in the world.

That means we are "only ahead" of 174 countries.

Not just Azerbaijan and Kazakistan

You have demonstrated a prime example of: Bending reality to suit your beliefs.

Henry240:
In as much as he is a pacifist, the comments he put out in his post aren't emotions. He laid down clear facts. Denel was a loss making company for periods of time until they got a bailout from the South-African government.

If AMSCOR could go into bankruptcy in the 80s when the Apartheid government was spending almost 5% of GDP on Defence, and so doing subsidizing the SA defence industry, it surely means things aren't going to look great now that funds are scarce.

ARMSCOR did not go "bankrupt" in the 1980's.

Denel went "bankrupt" in the 1990's after it was split from ARMSCOR due to a number of reasons.

Namely, because they invested billions of Rands into projects that the SANDF then cancelled - examples of these projects: Indigenous fighter jet, Indigenous Frigate, Indigenous Submarine, Indigenous ASM.

If you come from a buisness background, I dont think I need to explain why these projects caused liquidity issues within the company in the 1990's.

Bending reality to suit beleifs

Henry240:
There is also the issue of corruption in the SA defence industry.
Are these no facts, Denel running into bankruptcy, corruption in the SA defence industry, Amscor bankruptcy and the Cameron commission of inquiry?

Are you saying all these things are made up?

Yes they are made up.

Henry240:
You have listed some of the issues. South-Africa cannot compete on big ticket items. It's simply not possible. Countries like China have proven to be bullish in the entire defence market, offering state of the art defence systems, which are cost effective. you also have to deal with the other big partners Russia, USA and Europe (where most of the components used in building SA defence equipment come from). There's also Israel, increasingly Indonesia, Brazil, Turkey.

What RSA should have done is simply own low level market, and compete for items in the mid-level market. Even here RSA is failing to China, UAE, Israel and Turkey. Even countries like Pakistan, Sudan, Ethiopia and Nigeria are now beginning to bite off from the low level market.

Few South African components are imported from abroad.

Your opinion on what we "should have" done is irrelevant.

Also, we can and do compete - or did you miss the 300 ingwe missiles sold to Iraq? 700 Ingwe to Algeria?

Henry240:
Dude, let's us not throw emotions around. The SA defence industry dates back to World War II, Africaken254 shared a video supporting this. So, 20th position when countries that have a defence industry is so small. 20th position is not great.

RSA is only ahead of Azerbaijian and Kazhkstan that's nothing to be proud of.

The MRAP market which you used to control is out of your hands, The US, Europe, Turkey, China, Russia and Australia are now producing better MRAP vehicles. Look at Kenya, a country that used to buy South-African MRAPs, suddenly has moved over to Chinese MRAPs. You can't tell me no bank in RSA can fund 25 vehicles, that's not possible.

Turkey is selling MRAP vehicles to Africans, even Streit from Canada is selling MRAP vehicles to African countries.


One would think that with the draw down in Iraq, RSA companies would begin to look at LAVs, however in this area, you are horrendously failing, Israeli companies have taken over. I mean, look at the Senegalese deployment in Gambia, all the LAVs used are from Israel. The Israelis are selling to Chad, Cameroun, Ethiopia, Zambia, Uganda. The Chinese, Turks and UAE are selling, where are SA companies, simply no where to be found.

In the Drones/UAV market, the Israelis and Chinese, increasingly the UAE have taken over. This bus has left, where is RSA?

The Paramount airplane, Mwari is coming into a market that is looking increasingly tight.

Also, we need to watch out for India, if India comes in, then it would be obvious that the problems of the RSA industry would only grow worse.

Denel is a big company, it deserves it's 100th place, but let's not forget that for so many years it was making losses and had to be bailed out by the government.

So apart from saying exactly what I said, what are you talking about?

Denel is making a profit, we average sales of 300+ armored vehicles per year, hundreds of missiles to multiple sources, artillery systems to multiple sources as well as optics, comms etc and sales are stable. Saying that stuff about Azerbajan and Kazhkstan only demonstrates your lack of knowledge about their domestic capabilities.

Face it, you like what he says because he is highly critical of RSA and that makes the chip on your shoulder happy

overhypedsteve:
wow. You must hate the guy.

I am a pragmatist. I have no political beliefs, I subscribe to no ideologies. I only care about what works and what doesn't, usually history and common sense provide all the answers.

Thus people like Terry make me sick to my core. They place belief over reality and will bend reality to suit their belief.

Henry240:
To the South Africans, who is Terry Crawford-Browne , he is making alot of sense in the comments section of a Defenceweb topic highlighting the poor sales of SA defence equipment.

Terry C-B is a ideologue, his brain is wired the same way as a religious fundamentalist. He is irrational and unreasonable.

He is a pacifist and (worst of all) a LEFTIST that believes that South Africa should disband the SANDF completely and exist like the collection of failed states in South America that do not have militaries (Haiti, Guatemala etc)

He is the guy behind the Arms deal enquiry and the various attempts to uncover corruption. While I respect and applaud his efforts, his inability to leave the issue alone after the Constitutional Court (very politely) told him to Fvck off illistrates my first point - he is irrational, a fanatic.

His assessment as to our Military Industrial Complex is ridiculously biased and based on ideology as apposed to fact.

Mattys Jacobs has provided a more balanced and reasonable explanation that revolves around market forces and structural problems within our militiary-industrial complex.

Basically,

- we dont have any banks that will finance our sales to other countries hence we can only sell big orders to people who "buy cash", which is a tiny market.
- This problem is magnified by an underfunded SANDF who do not give out the consistent orders on top-shelf Denel products, which means that Denel cant establish Economies of Scale to bring down unit costs and expand our market
- nor can it fund the R& it needs to maintain a large portfolio of products at competitive prices
- meaning that Denel has to increasingly specialise in "mid-shelf" products
- which means that they now compete in a very small and highly competitive market
- which further hurts profits.

But lets be honest here, South Africa remains a Top 20 arms exporter and Denel is still in the top 100 biggest defense firms in the world, I would hardly call sales "poor".

Its just that we arent reaching full potential.

africaken254:

 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HDjnZWa-PJM

LOL

Renault marketing in Africa... bruh... wrong market

darknetcom:
if the au gather all african nations toghether then,good night,south africa...

india and china will be own your side...??...

tahhh...wishful thinking...

They couldent take down a divided Apartheid South Africa

They stand no chance against a United one.

rugged7:
LOOK moda4kk

I don't give 2 4kks

You southies should stear clear of my convos, Kapisch?

How about no?

Henry240:
There was an Intervention in Libya because Nigeria and the AU was in support military action in the country. You cannot roll over an AU that supported action.


Dude, I'm telling you, if there was outside influence in a forced regime change in Zimbabwe, Nigeria would retaliate. This is not even something we would beat around the bush over.

SADC cannot call for sanctions because the regional body doesn't have the political influence to do so in Zimbabwe.

"Because I say so"

It would be none of Nigerias buisness. Stay in your lane.

End of story.

GreenandGold:
First time I counted 9 Griffs in the air at once.

Those arent Grippen

Henry240:
Nigeria would not allow a military intervention in Zimbabwe. Even if the DA wins. If it ever happens, it would lead to a major diplomatic row, which both South-Africa and Nigeria cannot afford.

Nigeria and the AU would be irrelevant.

It would be a SADAC and UN issue.

However, this is all irrelevant. We could flick a switch and Zimbabwe would go dark and if we close our border crossings the country would suffer massive economic harm, deport Zimbabweans from RSA and their population grows by 20% in a couple of months.

Maputo does not have the capacity to handle all of their imports, they dont have the capacity to keep their national grid running and they will run out of food in months - in part because of sanctions, in part because of population explosion.

We would be well within our rights RE: International Law.

The South African government, with the support of Botswana and either Zambia or Angola could effect regime change via siege. If Mozambique agrees it could be done in months.

Just because we dont swing a big stick doesnt mean we dont have a cupboard full of them.

Henry240:
Irrespective of the very visible shortcomings of Mugabe, Africans across the continent still adore him. He belongs to the Old Guard who fought the British and colonialists.

For this reason, a Gambia like intervention is unlikely. A power sharing deal is more like it.

Mugabe should have stepped down though.

Thats the problem with Africa

He tanked his country, utterly destroyed it.

But everyone puts him on a pedestal for what "he" did during the Bush War.... The irony being that "he" did allmost nothing, it was the people of Zimbabwe who fought, and it is them that we must be loyal to.

rugged7:
NONSENSE.

This ECOWAS intervention will be meta-analysed in all military institutions, including west point, as the textbook method to take down dictatorships.
Equal measures of carrot and stick.

No dude.

Its not that big of a deal

jakeporeshenko:
Senegalese soldiers deployed in support of operation restore democracy in The Gambia

What SAW's are those?

frumentius:
22 Squadron of the SAAF has performed superbly so far in the current fire season down in the Cape. Some highlights:


1) flown 94 fire-fighting hours in 11 days;
2) dropped 1,389 buckets of water from the 2.5 ton Bambi Buckets from a pair of Oryx;
3) this amounts to 2,8 million litres of water;
4) the air crews alternated 6-hour shifts, whilst fitting in their day-to-day currency and training with the squadron still on its normal 24/7 standby service;
5) the ground crews shortened their maintenance cycle from a few days to 24 hours, whilst providing day-long fuel bowser services on site;
6) all this whilst 12 members of the squadron are embarked aboard SAS Amatola with a Super Lynx heli on a 3-month voyage to Europe, and a crew currently in the DRC with the FIB.

All that mountain training is really paying off.

I hope Municipal and Provincial governemnt will be compensating SAAF for the sorties... otherwise I suspect that their budget is going to be pretty wrecked.

giles14:
I see no embarrassment there if the American DDG 1000, British type 45 destroyer,can break down who the hell is iran

Henry240:
It's nevertheless an embarrassment, but you have made a very good argument. It was an embarrassment for the Americans and British also.

Not really though.

DDG 1000 and Type 45 are both realativly new. Thats why they have the deployments they have (very tough, but close to home)... to shake the ships down and make sure everything works.

The American LCS break-down, however, was embarrassing... because that was not a shake-down deployment, it was an active deployment.

MikeCZA:
Bloody mess!

Good this will change.

Revival of Brigades when?

Henry240:
Photos of heavy equipment deployed in support of operation Restore Democracy in the Gambia.

(Convoy includes a recovery vehicle)

These fvckers are organised.

Senegal, the dark horse of African militaries

Henry240:
So, why are you, a South-African, unhappy? Why are you sad? Don't you wish Senegal well?

Henry120 confirmed for illiterate:

Patchesagain:
Looking good Senegal.

Get the chip of your shoulder, stop being provocative and stop trying to de-rail.

Be.
Better.

rawswag:
same here I was about confirming if really it was a melara

Hard to say with only the gun-shield. I think it is though.

rawswag:
COIN

Looks like a OTO Melara Mod 56 in the background.

Havent seen one deployed before.

rawswag:
NA
first time am seeing this kind of configuration on the motorbike looks neat.....

- MG mount
- Mount for MG's ammo-box + mount for spare box on the front
- seat for gunner

Nigeria just invented the Motorbike-technical

Henry240:
You are insulting, and posting photos of foreigners in an African military thread, yet pointing out that South-African commandos are wearing pink boots is some how derailing the thread.


"Are you okay? "

Henry120: De-rails thread and is provocative
Henry120: Is shocked when people are provoked and the thread is de-railed

The boots arent pink and the explanation was provided on multiple occasions.

Clearly you are feeling emasculated by the fantastic performance Senegal put on and are looking for a fight.

You need to be better.

jln115:
Agreed!

But here's a nice history piece of 5SFR: as you can see even today companies are still called commandos!

http://www.recce.co.za/special-forces-history/5rr-5sfr-history

Yeah, I looked it up allready and saw what you were talking about.

Any thoughts on my mystery man?

Unrelated, Recces playing Policeman.

Henry240:
I only asked one question, why are the South-African commandos wearing pink boots? I'm still awaiting the answer, which you South-Africans can't seem to be able to provide.


No the hullabaloo nonsense you guys are spamming my mentions with.

Are you illiterate?

61mech:
The Parrabats use red shoe polish to match their berets. They take this with them when they go to other units like SF etc.

Can we put this to rest now ? If I wanted to see pics of red boots i'd go to cosmo.com!

Stop with this provocative behavior, you have de-railed the thread enough!

[quote author=africaken254 post=53087722][/quote]Wonder why he uses the front picatinny rail as apposed to the rear?

jln115:
Sorry thought your Henry

No problem

Still, its not to much to ask to expect people to call them Recces.

Pic unrelated, Recce over-alls and non-standard battle-jacket but Parachute beret? What am I looking at here? Pathfinder?

jln115:
That's how our doctrine works, its not wrong or right, its just the way it is.....companies within SANDF SF regiments are called commandos, end of story!

Besides we invented the Commando system/phrase, so it is how we say it is!!

Meh... I see what you are getting at.

There are "Commando's" but they arent called Commandos

SANDF ORBAT

jln115:
I have to correct you here, ONLY special forces are called commando's these day's, The Commando system you are talking about is a whole other thing all together.

Up till 94 Special force regiments were called Commandos, exmp: 4 reconnaissance commando which is now called 4 special forces regiment.

Either way, the term Commando would be incorrect.

Frankly, there is only one set of Commandos who still exist and they are in the service of Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth.

And they only just slip into the ambit of "SOF"