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agaugust:
How to sink a submarine 101
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How will the Alpha jet sink a submarine?

agaugust:
So South African navy ordered to patrol Mozambique channel makes your navy a coast guard, according to your own logic.

How PJ-24 decoy works? How is that my problem? Do you know how Valour frigate decoys work?

Naija OPV PJ-24 decoy does the job that manufacturer made it to do....destroy ALL enemy anti-ship missiles.

GAME OVER, we win
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We have warships

You do not

That is the difference between a navy and a coast gaurd

Now - you say it will defeat all missiles? Provide proof!

agaugust:
Do basic Google search, Naija OPV AK-176 gun range and Southie Frigate Oto-Breda Compact gun range.

Stop dragging this forum back to old data that we have repeatedly posted, use your google search engine or run away....because Nigerian OPV will sink the whole South African navy in few minutes of sea battle with our superior gun firepower !
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It will never be a gun-fight because the Valour Class has missiles and your OPV does not

agaugust:
Simple Google search data on Hamilton class cutter and Valour class frigate, compare their voyage endurance days at sea.

Naija OPV superior to Southie Frigate
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Pic related = argument destroyed

Drakensburg brah

lionel4power:
that's how to sink a sub...

Nigerian Navy has no ability to engage in ASW

Augustus himself admitted that one SAN sub can sink your entire navy

agaugust:
[size=20pt] You forgot to quote where your source says :

Mi-35M Hind year 2005 helicopter modern State-Of-The-Art Avionics

Rooivalk is NOT state-of-the art....it's not modern.....it's obsolete.

Now that is the difference !
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And yet the Rooivalk has capabilities that the Hind does not

Which is all that is important.

agaugust:
....but you said Nigerian NNS Thunder is having old subsystems, so age is not relevant again ? #Self-Defeat

It's been a bad week for our South African friends on Nairaland
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What capabilities does the Thunder have that SAN does not have?

Long range? So what - valour class range can be extended by the Drakensburg

agaugust:
Rooivalk, LOL....Obsolete flying tin can. The computers failed during Nap Of Earth flight and crashed in broad daylight

11 obsolete helicopters, they even have only 11 units to defend a country bigger than Nigerian land size. How will they cover their territory?
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Rooivalk has capabilities that none of your aircraft have

The size of the combat fleet is not dictated by the size of your country

agaugust:
Coast guards don't buy anti-ship missiles and torpedoes whether active or in reserve.

Meanwhile, I have proved Nigerian OPV will sink Valour frigate
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You dont have any active warships

No, you said it can sink a Valour Frigate... you have yet to prove it.

agaugust:
No, you prove that France sold more Exocet missiles to South Africa in secret, hidden by France from United Nations reporting law.

Prove your secret extra missiles .

Liar !

Prove you work in the defence industry

liar.

agaugust:
Already proved on this forum many times.

P18N 76 mm gun range 10 km effective

Valour frigate 76mm gun range 8 km effective.

NN will sink SAN at sea, Nigeria is the real blue water king !
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Valour Class has SSM's

Your OPV will be sunk by them

If you wish to claim that your chaff-launchers can defeat all 17 exocet missiles that the SAN has, then you need to provide proof.

lionel4power:
lol... You crack me up, u your ignorance is spectacular. So this is your tactical advantage?. For the sake of argument lemme indulge you.

*NAF hind has exhibited NOE flying, take it or leave nobody cares.
* that depends on the size of the warship, if a sea-king, superpuma, v-22 osprey, NH19, MI-17 e.t.c can fit in warships so would the hind. Please stop disgracing your country.
*a backflip WTF! are you kidding me? What do you use that for in real combat? A hind can do barrel rolls for christ sake.
*hover in combat.... All helicopters hover, thats why its fvcking called a helicopter. Go back to primary school bro...
*advance evasive maneovers... So there is evasive maneovers and there is advanced evasive maneovers? A chopper isnt really fast compare to figter jets thats why you have flares and chaffs to confuse the SAM or enemy aircraft missiles... BTW if your helicopter comes in contact with enemy fighter jet then you've screwed up big time during your planning... So dude actually theres really no such tactical advantage here. Go back to kindergarten.

- hind taking off
- which of your warships can your hind land on?
- backflips can be an effective combat maneuver
- hovering in combat and hovering to land are very different things - hind makes gun runs like a fixed wing aircraft in combat because it lacks the maneuverability to use cover and hover
- fact remains, hind cannot do advanced evasive maneuvers

agaugust:
If decoys were not effective, navies won't be investing in advanced decoys like our own.

I have shocked you guys with Nigerian PJ-24 anti-missile decoy
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Why do navies bother with CRAM/CIWS and SHORAD missiles then?

agaugust:
Yes anti-missile decoys launched by Nigerian P18N OPV built to defeat all enemy anti-ship missiles.

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This is the foundation of your argument

What proof do you have to substantiate it?

agaugust:
NNS Thunder is Hamiliton class OPV, endurance at sea is 45 days, repeated here since 2012 with citations. Google it.

South African navy is inferior
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We have a re-supply ship

Our ships are actual warships

I would say your navy is inferior ---- but you dont actually have a navy

agaugust:
Bwahahaaha

Blue water South African navy has to stop along the way around Africa and beg for food, fuel, drinking water, soap to bath etc from Nigeria to help them sail around Africa.....fake blue water navy !

Nigerian navy will sail around Africa non-stop ! No begging for help !

NNS Thunder sea voyage endurance 45 days

SAS Amatola Valour frigate sea voyage endurance at sea 28 days

Now who is the real blue water navy that can sail round all coastal nations of Africa non-stop without help ? Nigerian navy !
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Valour class dont have to stop aywhere

We have a resupply ship you chucklefuck

agaugust:
What is the effectiveness of the Exocet missile?

I will not entertain your argument until you provide stats
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No no no

You have made claims about chaff launchers being 100% effective

With no proof to support this

I will not entertain your argument until you provide some form of proof or fact to substantiate your claims

agaugust:
What is the effectiveness of the Exocet missile?

100% ?
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Ask the Royal Navy

agaugust:
Yes, I proved it
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Where?

We are still waiting to see the effectiveness of chaff launchers.

agaugust:
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Story has just begun !

I said Warrior class does not outrange P18N OPV because it is impossible for a small boat to stay at sea longer than a long endurance OPV.

Warrior class OPV carries fuel for 3,600 miles, but CANNOT stay at sea on voyage after 10 days, ENDURANCE limit.

Notice that I have corrected your Warrior class OPV range, its maximum 3,600 miles not 4,000 miles as you fraudulently claim !

P18N OPV carries fuel for 3,000 miles, but can stay at sea on voyage for 20 days, ENDURANCE limit.

Extra fuel in a ship's tank is useless once the time endurance at sea is ended, no more survival for the crew ! They die !

P18N can patrol around Gulf of Guinea for 20 days non-stop, Warrior class will patrol for ONLY 10 days and run back home

http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=454

The power of an OPV is sustainable patrol time at sea, not extra fuel range when the sailors can no longer survive and ship engine must rest and CANNOT work continuously.

P18N 20 days max at sea

Warrior boat 10 days max at sea

That is why I said the P18N outranges the Warrior class, we double your endurance patrol time at sea. Proved !

No wonder South Africa is crying for project Biro, trying to become like Nigeria, them wanna be like us

You are the fraudster who said yesterday that P18N range is 2,000 miles, I demanded source and you changed story to 3,000 miles....Fraud, thief, Liar

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Warrior class OPV

Range: 400nmi (7,400 km) at 18knts (32kmh)

7,400 divided by 32 = 231

Hence - it takes the warrior class 231 hours to cover 7400km (less than 10 days)

How many hours in 10 days? 240!

P18N range 3000nmi (5556km) at 18knts (32kmh)

5556 divided by 32 = 173

It takes 173 hours for the P18N to run out of fuel (7 days)

Conclusion: Warrior class outranges the P18N because it can patrol for ALL 10 days of its endurance while the P18N can only patrol for 7 days of its endurance

After much irritation, I have decided to compare the Hind-M and the Rooivalk so that there is a permanent record of their capabilities on this forum>

Rooivalk in blue

Hind in Green

From the same source


Rooivalk Specifications:

Thales TopOwl Helmets
- A Thales Avionics TopOwl helmet-mounted sight display (HMSD) provides the crew with a head-up display of information for nap-of-the-earth flight (NOE).
- TopOwl incorporates an integrated measurement system for directing an articulated weapon such as the cannon, or air-to-air missile seeker heads (look to kill capabilities).

Hind-M does not have any-such system

Electronic Warfare and countermeasures
- Rooivalk's electronic warfare suite is the fully integrated helicopter electronic warfare self-protection suite (HEWSPS)
- incorporates: radar warning, laser warning and countermeasures dispensing system.
- The system is flight-line programmable and in-flight adaptable to match the threat library with the mission's area of operation.
-radar warner features low-effective radiated power (ERP) / pulse Doppler radar detection beyond radar detection range, ultra broadband frequency coverage, high pulse density handling and internal instantaneous frequency measurement.
- laser warner provides broadband laser frequency coverage to detect and display rangefinding, designating and missile guidance laser threats.
- the countermeasures dispensing system, which is operated in manual, semi-automatic or fully automatic mode, is charged with chaff and flare cartridges.

The countermeasures suite of Mi-35M includes a radar warning receiver, a laser range finder and a location finder, chaff and flare launch system, infrared (IR) jamming system and engine-exhaust IR suppressor.


TDATS (Target detection, acquisition and tracking)

- The TDATS sight is equipped with a low-level television sensor
- Forward-looking infrared (FLIR)
- autotracker
- laser rangefinder
- laser designator.

Navigation
- Doppler radar velocity sensor
- Thales Avionics eight-channel global positioning system
- heading sensor unit and an air data unit.

Communication
- two VHF/UHF transceivers with FM, AM with digital speech processing
- one HF radio with frequency hopping
- secure voice and data channels
- and an IFF transponder.

The helicopter is equipped with an OPS-24N surveillance-and-sighting station, a television channel, a GPS-guided navigation system and an optional non-Russian radio station.


http://www.army-technology.com/projects/rooivalk/
http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/mi-35m-hind-e/

Henry120:
Emotions!!!!!


Buhahahahahahahahahaha.....

I see that you are still unable to respond to the actual content of my post.


The simple, undeniable, fact remains: Age of Rooivalk sub-systems are irrelevant when we have a platform with capabilities that you do not have.

Attack it all you want, it remains the best attack helicopter South of the North African states - and its pretty close to what they have.

I remind you for the umpteenth time - the age of subsystems is irrelevant, this is a discussion about capabilities.

Henry120:
He has now gone into full attack Henry mode!!!

Let me remind you, personal attacks on me doesn't make your Half-French Rooivalk less obsolete.

It was obsolete before your attacks, obsolete during your attacks and still obsolete after them.


Go cry to your government.

Henry, why do you avoid the real content of the post?

Why do you allways avoid a discussion about the capabilities of the platform?

It doesnt matter how old the platform is when it has the same capabilities as others in its category and is dramatically better than anything you have.

The Rooivalk could run on steam and potatoes - and it is still better than anything you have or ever will have.

And what makes it even better is that we built and designed it.

Henry120:
Don't be naive. All my posts come with their appropriate citations. Including those from Denel.

Your AH runs on 30 years old computers. It's primarily because of it's age the Rooivalk is considered obsolete.


Dinosaur....... funny that's one of the terms used in describing your AH.


I just wonder what i should be jealous of, I fail to see it. You South-Africans branding Nigerians jealous at every turn are misplaced, go display you emotions to your government.

Henry

Your "citations" are one outdated opinion piece and one Janes artical that you interpreted in a very particular way and that at the same time can be interpreted in a very different way by others.

As usual, you have made a big fuss by reposting the same trash over and over again.

The age of sub-systems is irrelevant when they provide capabilities that YOUR platforms do not have and when those capabilities match those of platforms such as the ATAK

Our "obsolete" Rooivalk is still better than your brand new Hind M... is that why you are so desperate to attack the Rooivalk? Is it the fact that we build better platforms than you can afford to buy?

Your complete and utter obsession (you have dedicated a whole week of your life to the Rooivalk) demonstrates that you have some major emotional hangups over the platform.

Again, I say:

1. Buy a platform with similar or better capabilities to the Rooivalk
2. Design and built an attack helicopter with simular capabilities to the Rooivalk

Then you can comment on the Rooivalk. You have not earned the right to critique it, no basis for attacking it - you can pull it down all you want, it is still better than anything in your arsenal and decades ahead of anything in Southern Africa

And that, is what is important.

Henry120:
The Navy's role is the protect a Nation against any territorial threats from the sea.

And your navy is incapable of doing that

Hence it is not a navy but a coast guard

Henry120:
The emotions you South-Africans display over your half-french Rooivalk issue is amazing!!!!!



1. Rooivalk orders were caught because you government could not afford them.


2. Enough evidence has been provided, the Half-french AH was rejected by 5+ countries.

3. The Turks wanted a Helicopter they could domestically build. The Apache or EADS Tiger weren't going to provide that.

The A-129 was rightly chosen over your obsolete AH because it is top to bottom a considerably better platform. It is because it has obsolete systems on board, it lost.



Patrick, believe me, i'd rather talk about something else, but insistence of you South-Africans in distorting facts and giving your AH un-deserved plaudits means those in the know have to put that AH in it's rightful garbage.

Emotional? You are obsessed with it!!

1. Rooivalk was cut because the size and budget of the SANDF was cut. FACT

2. You have provided ZERO evidence to support these claims

3. And yet they competed, and yet the Rooivalk outperformed them

How is the A-129 better than the Rooivalk? Yet again, you say its better, but are unable to say how or why.

I know why you say its better - because of your jealous obsession with the Rooivalk. It burns your guts that we have made such a fantastic platform, and you will do anything in your power to undermine it.

Henry, the capabilities of the Rooivalk have been laid out for all on this forum to see. The age of the systems that provide these capabilities is irrelevant when your own attack helicopters dont have said capabilities and when said capabilities are comparable to systems such as the Apache, Z-10, ATAK, HAL, KA-50/52 et al.

So I recommend you do the following before continuing your pathetic assault on the Rooivalk:

1. Aquire a system that has similar or better capabilities than the Rooivalk
2. Design and build an attack helicopter in Nigeria

Until you have done the two above, you have no right nor any standing to comment on the Rooivalk.

What is happening right now is a poor man sitting in a VW polo is insulting a rich man sitting in a Mercedes Benz C-class by saying that his C-Class is not as good as a brand new C-class - yet - the poor man forgets that he himself drives a sh1tty polo

agaugust:
I work in defence industry, missiles sales are order, follow up order if any, and all are captured by UN arms records.

France will NOT hide Exocet missiles sales to South Africa and deceive United Nations for the sake of black ANC government.

Fool

Prove it

Liar

agaugust:
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Small boats?

NNS Thunder

NNS Okpabana

NNS Centenary

NNS Unity

Those are big blue water ships that could sail from 5,000 km to over 20,000 km range with sea voyage endurance of 3 weeks to over 6 weeks.

BTWN, Nigeria has missile frigate and torpedo anti-submarine warfare helicopters in reserve in case of conventional war.

You need to worry about South Africa having only one frigate and one submarine operational today.

Then if anti-piracy ships are useless, you South Africans won't be crying and weeping to have project sick-Biro revived from 23 year coma

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Nigeria has no warships - your "reserve" vessels will be useless in war

Thus Nigeria has no navy

Only a pathetic navy will brag of 50 year old second hand cutters

San has 3 operational frigates and 3 operational submarines

agaugust:
Are your Exocet missiles 100% effective?

How many Exocet missiles do you even have? Just about 13 missiles....one and a half warship load.

LOL....Foolish Soweto navy cannot even fully arm two frigates, their missiles are for one and a half ships....world record

Yes, I have started another chapter of nightmare for South African military on this forum.

Any navy Admiral from SAN/SANDF is free to come and challenge me, Nigeria will use OPV to sink Mandela's expensive over-rated Frigate
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What is The effectiveness of the chaff launcher?

I will not entertain your argument until you provide stats

agaugust:
Nope, I am a resident t.ormentor of South Africa.

Nigerian P18N OPVs have PJ-46 Decoy launchers, specially made to defeat ALL anti-ship missiles of South African frigates.

http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.php/news/defence-news/year-2014-news/november-2014-navy-naval-forces-maritime-industry-technology-security-global-news/2210-china-delivers-first-p18n-offshore-patrol-vessel-to-nigerian-navy.html

Now your Soweto navy is doomed, Nigerian navy OPV warships have anti-missile counter measures.

We shall end the war in gun battle at sea, and Nigerian OPVs have superior gun firepower over South African frigates.

Countries of the world will laugh at Mandela's navy when Abuja navy uses OPV to sink expensive frigate and make world history

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What is the effectiveness of the launcher?

100%

agaugust:
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So now you are saying your OPVs cannot defeat a frigate?

agaugust:
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Bwahahahaaha

I am smarter than you are, so I forced you to eat your own words.

Now Patches has h.umiliated himself, you said before that the P18N range is 2,000 miles.....



Trust a Nigerian, a smarter nation to force a dull nation South African to commit s.uicide here

I knew the range is 3,000 miles for P18N, the source you used is the same source from which I got the decoy launchers/anti-missile.....Navy Recognition website, I set you up to trap yourself, and you fell flat for it !

So why did you cut down the Nigerian OPV range from 3,000 miles to 2,000 miles yesterday? Do you know that you have now confirmed yourself as an anointed fraudster? The whole forum now sees you Patches as a liar, fraud, thief !

Am I done with you now? No. More humiliation for y.ou Patches, let a military researcher from Great Nigeria teach you about sea warfare.

Now you say SAN Warrior class boat out-ranges NN P18N OPV, you are very wrong !

Learn now office worker Patrick, learn from Augustine defense industry worker, the son of Naija land, Nigeria the great :

Warship operational performance is NOT determined by miles of range, rather, sea voyage is determined by ENDURANCE days at sea !


South African Warrior boat endurance at sea = 10 days

Nigerian P18N OPV ship endurance at sea = 20 days

Means the SAN boat has only half time to survive at sea, the Nigerian OPV has double time to operate at sea.

Nigerian navy OPV is far superior to South African toy OPV only good for a swimming pool

SOURCE :

http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.php/news/defence-news/year-2014-news/november-2014-navy-naval-forces-maritime-industry-technology-security-global-news/2210-china-delivers-first-p18n-offshore-patrol-vessel-to-nigerian-navy.html

Now bow down to Nigeria for educating South Africa again as usual....we own you !
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Hahahhahaha

You have been forced to eat your words!!

You did not know the range of your own vessel!!


[size=20pt]The only fraudster here is you!! Yesterday you claimed that the warrior class did not outrange your Opv!! If you knew your OPVs range was 3000nm why did you say that! [/size]!

Warrior class Opv outranges your Opv

End of story