₦airaland Forum

lezz:
lolz, those where positions you occupied when you were the no. 1 economic player in Africa ; 1999 G20.

April 2014 we go handed you your report card and Pretoria and south African economic analysts have been calling for SA to strengthen ties with Abuja. We are going after substance , no seeking inferior invalidation by belonging to international organisation.

Want to read ?

We dominate your economy

We sit on not only the G20 but BRICS

What is your claim to fame?

Henry120:
South-Africa is an insignificant member of the BRIC. We've been down this lane multiple times before.


South-Africa only got an invite because the BRIC nations wanted a more inclusive club, an African representation and South-Africa was at the time the largest economy in Africa.

If we are an insignificant member.... What then are you?

lezz:
No, you're not.

I know S.A is in the G20. That's not under contention, boy.

When I say we are targeting G20 , boy I am talking not just g20 as an organization but also being amongst the 20th biggest economy by 2017. We are 22nd already.

So not only arevwe in BRICS and you're not

But we are g20 AND YOU ARE NOT!!!!!
Hahahhahaha

lionel4power:
Nigeria strong arm SA, embarrass SA in world stage and force SA to bow down to Nigeria's superior politico-diplomatic power. allafrica.com/stories/201411241856.html By J.K. Obatala
AFTER a protracted political struggle with
South Africa, over its controversial exclusion
from the pioneering and much vaunted
Square Kilometre Array (SKA), Nigeria has
finally emerged victorious.
Professor S. O. Mohammed, director general
of the National Space Research and
Development Agency (NASRDA), announced
Wednesday, during the opening ceremony
of the Astronomical Society of Nigeria, that
Nigeria's participation in the world's
biggest ever radio astronomy project was
now assured.

HAHAHAHAHA

And how are you victorious?

We have allready begun building it!

You Nigerians are so obsessed with South Africa

Its hilarious

agaugust:
Bwaahahaha This guy does not know combat with heavy equipment.

Shilka is mobile vehicle, it can drive around to attack threat from any position and the gun turret is 360 degrees rotation and fire on the move.

35 mm gun on valour frigate is fixed and carrot move around, then it cannot fire backwards if the bomb is dropped in front of the ship, the 35mm gun will need to fire on the Valour frigate structures itself if it turns fully backwards to face the front of the ship !

Your 35mm gun is stuck, fixed ONLY at the back of the ship.

Next your 35mm gun CANNOT shoot straight up, the maximum elevation is only 85 degrees, it CANNOT shoot straight up, it must slant.

I told you that you know NOTHING about sea warfare.

See your Valour frigate 35mm gun photo below, when that gun turns fully backward to hit target, it will blow up the Valour frigate
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Pic 1: Vertical feild of fire
Pic 2: Horizontal feild of fire
Pic 3: Formation employed by Valour Class to provide over-lapping feilds of fire and 100% cover from missile/bomb attack

Now, if you will look past these hasty and rather crude mock-ups ( a simple proof of concept I drew up in 5 min)

You will see that a formation of 3 Valour Class can provide 100% supporting fire to each other completeing a perfect anti-air umbrella

Use of data-links allows the Valour Class to co-ordinate fire-patterns. This means that if one bomb is dropped, it will be facing 3300 rounds per minute of AHEAD ammunition.

agaugust:
Bwaahahaha This guy does not know combat with heavy equipment.

Shilka is mobile vehicle, it can drive around to attack threat from any position and the gun turret is 360 degrees rotation and fire on the move.

35 mm gun on valour frigate is fixed and carrot move around, then it cannot fire backwards if the bomb is dropped in front of the ship, the 35mm gun will need to fire on the Valour frigate structures itself if it turns fully backwards to face the front of the ship !

Your 35mm gun is stuck, fixed ONLY at the back of the ship.

Next your 35mm gun CANNOT shoot straight up, the maximum elevation is only 85 degrees, it CANNOT shoot straight up, it must slant.

I told you that you know NOTHING about sea warfare.

See your Valour frigate 35mm gun photo below, when that gun turns fully backward to hit target, it will blow up the Valour frigate
.

85 degrees is just 5 short of 90 (straight up)

You said that the planes will be flying above Uhmkonto range - so they will be above the ship and that 35mm can engage them

agaugust:
South Africa had a worse problem than dictatorship, Apartheid, the mass murder and dehumanization of the human race
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And Nigerian dictators lead to the actual death of over 1 million people making them amongst the worst of last century

agaugust:
Fvck, you changed the photo and image, your first post showed boldly T-CRAFT....you liar fraud !

Quote the post where he did that

agaugust:
American mercenaries will NOT enter South Africa with guns and start killing of your homeland without government permit....unless South Africa is a failed state like Somalia where the government has no control.

Then according to your logic, SA government has no hand in the entrance and combat of American soldiers on your own homeland soil, that qualifies South Africa to be a failed state !
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Private men on private land

Foreigners are allowed to work in the private security industry

agaugust:
I meant to say 35mm Denel gun.

1. SAN/SANDF has no CRAM munitions today

2. Your 35mm gun has use of ordinary ammo NOT CRAM, it is a dual purpose gun and is able to use both ammo, but since you have no CRAM ammo, it uses ordinary shells.

3. Shilka will shoot down a bomb anytime because it is 360 degree rotation/elevation/depression . Shilka does not need CRAM to shoot down a bomb, a bomb is slow, it's NOT a missile ! Nigerian shilka is radar guided so the radar tracks and locks on the bombs and uses 4 barrel fire, not 1 barrel, 4 barrels of rapid fire, hundreds of high velocity shells will blow up the bombs.

4. Valour frigate 35mm gun is not 360 degree rotation/elevation/depression because it is behind the ship and if it depresses too low it will hit it's own ship, if it rotates fully to the back it will be attacking it's own ship and blow up the valour frigate !

Your own 35mm gun is limited in capacity and needs the bomb to be exactly at a position towards the back of the ship or side ways also towards the back. Your gun is technically defective in operational positioning.


#Trap-Dismantled By Nigeria
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1. who says we dont have cram

2. who says we dont have CRAM

3. dual 35mm has 2 barrels and is radar guided - so it can also shoot down bombs

4. If you are attacking from above uhmkonto range means that the bombs will be falling from above so the 35mm will be shooting straight up!

Hahahahaha

You have said for so long shilka can shoot down bombs that it is has come back to haunt you!

lezz:
you ain't a member, you are a hanger-on. Nigeria has never indicated any interest in joining BRIC. WE ARE HEADING FOR G20 SOON. BRIC HAS FALLEN WITH THE COLLAPSE OF BRAZIL AND RUSSIA.

So you finally agree we are a member?

lol - South Africa is allready a G20 member

agaugust:
Exocet is guided by seeker, fire and forget. Decoys defeated Exocet in war history.

You mean falklands war?


Where 5 were fired and 3 warships hit?

lol - history tells us that you are wrong

agaugust:
Naval warships of modern times have sea+air search radar, a jet at low level will be detected. Nigeria has such radars.

Citation please

It seems you don't know about the "radar horizon" - low level flight reduces detection at sea and on land

lezz:
was that why your president was inviting Nigeria to BRIC so as to cover up your hole and lapses.

Nigeria doesn't go about selling off to get international validation like south Africa.

Yadda Yadda

No one cares

agaugust:
Something you don't have

Says who?

agaugust:
Wrong information !

According to South African navy, you have old school 76mm compact guns NOT any super rapid that your money cannot buy !

OTO Melara 3 in 76mm/62 compact ; 2 Oerlikon 20 mm GAM-BO1; 2 - 12,7 mm MGs

http://navy.mil.za/equipment/patrol.htm

One OTOBreda 76mm/62 compact . One Denel DPG 35mm (twin).

http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=6524

Nigerian navy has 76mm AK-176 ultra-modern guns with superior range to Valour frigates old guns, our OPV will sink your blue water navy !
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So San is paying money to maintain guns it does not have?

You opv will be sunk long before it gets into gun range

agaugust:
Europe had dictators even up to year 2000

South AFrica didnt

lezz:
hey, kill yourself with this from the guardian and economist in the UK:Even within Africa, South Africa's growth – wracked by high unemployment and industrial unrest – is sluggish compared to many of its neighbours, and its crown as the continent's biggest economy is under threat from Nigeria.

A year ago Jim O'Neill, the global chairman of Goldman Sachs Asset Management who coined the term "Bric", told South Africa's Mail & Guardian newspaper: "It's just wrong. South Africa doesn't belong in Brics. South Africa has too small an economy. There are not many similarities with the other four countries in terms of the numbers. In fact, South Africa's inclusion has somewhat weakened the group's power. . One southie Zulu was even comparing India to south Africa. This article was written in 2103 before Nigeria bleeped you from the economic top spot.

Ok

So O'neil does not like the fact that RSA is in BRICS

Are we still a member? YES!

Is Nigeria? NO!

Argument over.

agaugust:
Even if they are insects being protected, South African homeland is invaded by American soldiers and mercenaries firing guns and killing those that SANDF + Rangers were unable to kill.

Your mercenary importation is legendary, SADF used 60,000 Angolan and 1,000 European mercenaries to fight Bush war.

Now it's American fire team of mercenaries on South African soil....or is that soil Zambian soil ? It's yours, Soweto nation
.

Private men operating in private capacity on private land

There are lots of security guards in South Africa, some happened to be american

agaugust:
No need, I already posted the citation for you since you are a fraud and liar, source directly from South African navy official website :

Economic speed of Warrior boat is NOT defined anywhere !

Range, miles: 1,500 at 30 knot; 3,600+ at economical speed

http://navy.mil.za/equipment/patrol.htm

What is the economic speed in knots ?

The only way to compare range of two ships is to speed them to same level of knots !

What is the knots that give Warrior class a range of 3,600 miles? How many knots is that ? 10 knots or what ?

If P18N ranges 3,000 miles at 14 knots, it will travel further at lower speed, say 10 knots.

Your argument of out-ranging the P18N is therefore ruined !


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Not wasting my time with silly arguments

I have shown that Warrior class outranges your OPV

Deal with it

lezz:
south Africa sold morality for Yuan.

When China invited South Africa in 2011 to join BRIC almost 10 years after it was formed, it was in exchange of your denying the Dalai Lama, the famous China critic visa into S.A FACT!!!

Well after you sold your morality for yuan and international validation ( south Africa, and her citizen are really inferior in psyche and in selfworth) you got kicked out again.

International analysts, institutions, economists still refer to the organisation as BRICs not BRICS. EVEN ONEIL THE FOUNDER DOESN'T RECOGNISE SA

Deal with the truth for once in your life.

Hey Lezz

suck on this:

"When I created the acronym, I had not expected that a political club of the leaders of the BRIC countries would be formed as a result." - O'neil January 4, 2011

You see? O'neil has nothing to do with BRICS.

lezz:
south Africa sold morality for Yuan.

[s]When China invited South Africa in 2011 to join BRIC almost 10 years after it was formed, it was in exchange of your denying the Dalai Lama, the famous China critic visa into S.A FACT!!!

Well after you sold your morality for yuan and international validation ( south Africa, and her citizen are really inferior in psyche and in selfworth) you got kicked out again.[/s]

International analysts, institutions, economists still refer to the organisation as BRICs not BRICS. EVEN ONEIL THE FOUNDER DOESN'T RECOGNISE SA

Deal with the truth for once in your life.

1. O'neil did not found BRICS
2. When was South Africa kicked out?

Lol, the fact that a major international bloc chose us and sidelined you seems to cause you such massive emotional harm that you are forced to litterally make sh1t up

lionel4power:
how mumu? By taking pictures

I don't answerbsilly questions

lezz:
you have rendered yourself citation-unworthy.

South Africa isn't a member . period. I have quoted and posted the links here yesterday. Whether you agree or not doesn't count .

The spotlight have left south Africa for real.

Your barking and permanent squatting on Nairaland won't change the fact.

Hahahhahaha

Nothing to back your claims?

when did south Africa get kicked out?

lezz:
your first reason for disqualification and ultimate expulsion was the size of your GDP and infrastructure.

I HAVE QUOTED AND POSTED THAT SOURCE HERE BEFORE. stop crying.

South Africa has been neither disqualified or expelled

There is no intention amongst the BRICS nations to disqualify or expell south Africa

You have provided no citations to suggest this

lezz:
the name O'Neil is synonymous with BRICs. Stop being a cow.

You only being disrespectful as an intellectual destitute by disassociating O'Neil from BRIC just to give s.a the relevance she lacks.

BRICS is an association of nations

O'Neil has nothing to do with the organization - apart from coining the term to describe the NIC's

The NIC's then formed the group known as BRICS themselves. O'Neil had no role and has no role, and BRICS does not operate under any external guidelines apart from those that they have set themselves.

End of story

Russia and China identified RSA as a worthy member and chose her

Russia and China discarded Nigeria

Fact

That is all

lezz:
who says anything about having the biggest economy? It's about economic growth and prospects. And the founder and coined of BRIC and MINT is saying, "hey, S.A economy and infrastructure doesn't make her a member.

I will give you a reality slap if you ever mention NIC to me again. I know you will quote some source on that and give us a link which are at best conceptual.

S.A is a flag bearing developing country. Don't be a stupid Zulu.

Dude

That man did not found BRICS

He coined the term

But he has nothing to do with the BRICS association

SA Is a member

Nigeria is not

End of story

lezz:
that was when your GDP was relevant as the biggest on the continent.
Now no one gives a jack s.a. that ibsa acronym is a desperate attempt at relevance.

Implying GDP size is linked to relevance

Clown

agaugust:
When did I say it is possible? I never said that !

Valour frigates have only one 20mm Denel gun, and no proof that you purchased CRAM munitions for it.

It remains a simple cannon until you post proof that you bought CRAM munitions imported from Germany
.

Actually, the frigates have a DUAL 35mm gun.

You said Shilka can shoot down falling bomb

Why cant the 35mm on the Valour class do the same?

#TrapWithinATrap
#InceptionTrap

agaugust:
Envy is your problem. Nigeria started democracy in 1960, not today.

Yeah - lets just ignore all the dictators!!

agaugust:
Oh there is problem o !

When South African landowners get frustrated by SA Police, SA Rangers, SANDF 21 Battalion, SA Special Forces, and import foreign soldiers and mercenaries to save them inside South African towns, then your country is UNABLE to protect it's own citizens !

No wonder Zuma kneeled down and begged Bostwana to allow 500 Rhinos into exile from Kruger park to Botwsana.

Useless failed state that needs Bostwana to save it !
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Those units do not operate on private land.

Private men on Private land.

Rhino's arent citizens - they are wildlife

agaugust:
Yes I read it, I said 5 Exocets fired and this was your first response :



I had to lecture your domingo kangaroo brain that it was 5 missiles fired, then you quickly changed story by obeying my command.

You did NOT know the war history you were claiming to know, your data was wrong, your history was wrong

I own you Patches
.

Read my first post

Read my first post:

Patchesagain:
HMS SHEFFIELD - mortally damaged south east of Falklands by Exocet missile. Burnt out and sank in tow on Monday 10th May
ATLANTIC CONVEYOR - mortally damaged north east of Falklands by Exocet missile fired by Super Etendard of CANA 2 Esc. Burnt out and later sank in tow.
HMS Glamorgan - damaged off Stanley by land-based Exocet missile
http://www.naval-history.net/F62-Falklands-British_ships_lost.htm


5 exocet were sold to argentina
http://www.theweek.co.uk/world-news/falkland-islands/45704/bbc-finds-evidence-french-helped-argentines-sink-our-ships

HMS Sheffield had chaff launchers

3/5 = 60% hit probability

60% of 17 = 10

10 of our Exocet will hit your one OPV

It will be atomized

You can duck and dive as much as you want

but we have shown:

- Chaff has limited effect on Exocet
- Exocet has a 60% hit rate

Proven by war history