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agaugust:
Is SAS Drakensberg your Frigate or OPV ?

Mumu cannot argue on point...he is wrecked by Thunder OPV....struck by thunder
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Its a supply vessel

It extends the Valour Classes range

Have you been drinking today?

You must be if you think that a 50 year old warship is in the same class as a modern FFG

agaugust:
I never said so, quote where I said that !

Nigerian navy will sink your Soweto submarine !

You said so on beegugugugg's blog

It has been posted here many times

agaugust:
NNS Thunder ALONE has enough range to patrol around Africa without need of re-supply 45 days endurance at sea, SAN needs to send out TWO ships, Valour frigate CANNOT patrol Africa alone, a whole SAS Drakensberg re-supply ship must be following it about like husband and wife

We out-range you in blue water force projection
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Augustus.

Do you know what force projection is? Do you know what blue-water capability is?

It is the ability to project force

Valour Class is a warship - it can sail into your waters and fight a war

Hamilton is a customs boat - it can sail into your waters and check your paperwork

You have no force porjection because you have no warships

lezz:
You will kill yourself, ole BRIC. Menu Search
BRIC in Danger of Becoming ‘IC,’ Says Acronym Coiner O’Neill
5:01 PM WAT January 8, 2015
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Jim O'Neill
(Bloomberg) -- Brazil and Russia’s membership of the BRICs may expire by the end of this decade if they fail to revive their flagging economies, according to Jim O’Neill, the former Goldman Sachs Group Inc. chief economist who coined the acronym.
Asked if he would still group Brazil, Russia, India and China together as emerging market powerhouses as he did in 2001, O’Neill said in an e-mail “I might be tempted to call it just ’IC’ or if the next three years are the same as the last for Brazil and Russia I might in 2019!!”
The BRIC grouping will be dragged down by a 1.8 percent contraction in Russia and less than 1 percent expansion in Brazil, according to the median estimate of economists surveyed by Bloomberg News. China is seen growing 7 percent and India 5.5 percent.
The BRICs were still booming as recently as 2007 with Russia expanding 8.5 percent and Brazil in excess of 6 percent that year. The bull market in commodities that helped propel growth in those nations has since ended, while Russia has been battered by sanctions linked to the crisis in Ukraine and Brazil has grappled with an unprecedented corruption scandal involving its state-owned oil company.
“It is tough for the BRIC countries to all repeat their remarkable growth rates” of the first decade of this century, said O’Neill, a Bloomberg View columnist and former chairman of Goldman Sachs Asset Management International. “There was a lot of very powerful and fortuitous forces taking place, some of which have now gone.”
Growth Recovery
The growth slump this year isn’t a new normal though and O’Neill sees expansion in Brazil and Russia partially recovering, helping the BRICs average about 6 percent growth per annum this decade -- still more than double the average for the Group of Seven nations.
Their share of global gross domestic product will “rise sharply,” he said.
O’Neill had previously estimated average annual growth of 6.6 percent for the BRICs this decade, a pace it was close to achieving through last year mainly because China exceeded the 7.5 percent annual average growth he estimated for the first three years, he said.
Unlike Brazil and Russia, China is embracing economic change while India, after the election of Narendra Modi as prime minister and benefiting from low oil prices and a young labor pool, may have brighter prospects this decade than last, O’Neill said.
With China and India spurring growth, the BRICs will remain the most dominant and positive force in the world economy “easily,” said O’Neill.
China, India
China growing at 7 percent will add about $1 trillion nominally to global output every year, O’Neill said. When measured by purchasing power parity, China’s growth adds twice as much as the U.S.’s, he said. India expanding at 6 percent will add twice as much as the U.K. in those terms, he said.
“Their consumption is increasingly key for global consumption and which markets were amongst the world’s strongest in 2014? China and India both were up significantly,” he said. “So many investors are herd like, they probably have already forgotten the BRIC’s but it is silly. They are the most important influence in the world.”
A prediction in his book, “The Growth Map,” that the BRICs economies would overtake the U.S. in size this year will be delayed likely until 2017 primarily by the drag from Russia, O’Neill said.
The founding of the BRIC’s Development Bank signals the group’s influence in global economic affairs will rise, O’Neill said.
By 2035, the BRICs will be as big as the Group of Seven nations while China is in “a reasonable position” to be bigger than the U.S. in 2027 and India may overtake France to become the world’s fifth biggest economy by 2017, “certainly before 2020,” he said.
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A bottle of one of the world's rarest wines sold for $18,000 at a London auction Thursday. There's just one problem - it may be undrinkable.
The Chateau Mouton Rothschild 1945 went to a private collector in Europe, auction house Bonhams said. The selling price - which equals about $1,500 a glass and could cover a Learjet charter from London to Saint-Tropez - was at the low end of expectations because the vintage suffered from oxidation, according to Richard Harvey, Bonhams' global head of wine.
The ullage, an industry term which refers to the space between the wine and the bottom of the cork, was below the neck of the bottle, '' which points to an increased chance of the wine being oxidized and undrinkable,'' Harvey said in an interview before the sale. Had it been in better condition, the 70-year-old bottle, part of a vintage described by critic Michael Broadbent as the "Churchill of wine," could have fetched twice the 10,000-pound ($15,000) to 15,000-pound range Bonhams had estimated in its sale catalog.

The 70-year-old bottle of Chateau Mouton Rothschild.
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Even spoiled, the claret is sought after for its historical value. The V on its label, designed by the French illustrator Philippe Jullian to celebrate the Allies' victory over Nazi Germany in the Second World War, also represents triumph over difficult weather conditions for Bordeaux vineyards at the time, including heavy frost and a heatwave that led to a drought.
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Again, you post the opinion of one man.

I seriously think that you have no idea just what BRICS is.

Do you think that this man invented BRICS?

Did he e-mail Russia, India, Brazil and China and tell them to sign treaties and work together?

You are a fvkcing bufoon of the tallest order.

Into the trash you go.

agaugust:
Nigeria provided for 50 combat helicopters to protect land the size of Scotland.

Sudan provided for about 50 combat helicopters to defend similar land size.

South Africa is poor;y protected with 11 combat helicopters on same land size....Fools
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Nigeria has less than 50 Hinds

Our 11 Rooivalks have a higher combat efficiency than the Hinds and thus compensate for their lack of numbers

Quality > Quantity

And again, the size of our Rooivalk fleet is not dictated by the size of the country, but by combat needs.

Specifically, the protection of an Air-Assault Brigade, or Combined-Arms operations with an Amored/Mech Brigade

That is all.

agaugust:
Provide proof that it cannot, you are the one saying PJ-46 anti-missile system does not work, so prove it !

P18N OPV of Nigeria will defeat ALL Southie Valour frigate missiles.

Now you don't have 17 Exocets, you have done test firing on your 4 ships as claimed by SAN navy officer @Andrewza and others like @Snydergp of SANDF, @Saengine and others.

Means SAN has ONLY 13 Excoet missiles remaining, enough for one and a half Frigates, no wonder you keep only one frigate operational
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Prove how many exocets SAN has fired.

Until you do - SAN has 17.

Unless your decoy dispenser is 100% effective your OPV will be sunk.

So, if your one OPV stands a chance against to fully armed Valour Class frigates you must prove 100% decoy efficiency

lezz:
[b]“It is tough for the BRIC countries to all repeat their remarkable growth rates” of the first decade of this century, said O’Neill, a Bloomberg View columnist and former chairman of Goldman Sachs Asset Management International. “There was a lot of very powerful and fortuitous forces taking place, some of which have now [/b]gone.” lolz Zulu and comprehension don't go hand in hand.
What my post is telling you is despite your back door invitation by authentic BRIC members, the inventor and originator of BRIC is saying you are not a member. YOUR INFRASTRUCTURE and ECONOMY DO NOT QUALIFY YOU . Economists and analyst are saying you are not a BRIC country. Mind, this was in 2013 , it is a settled matter now, your ouster that is.

Here is further proof:
Note that countries are actually disqualified.

Are you saying that BRICS is not an Invention of Russia, India and China but rather the invention of one man?

OMG!!

DUDE!!!

WHAT ARE YOU DOING!?!?

agaugust:
Yes, we have active warships, with anti-missile decoys and guns with longer range than Valour frigate.

Our $100 million OPV will sink your $300 million Frigate and Mandela's investment will be wasted in few minutes
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And we have stealth frigates with 17 missiles

Your OPV doesnt stand a chance.

Now - unless the decoy dispencer is 100% effective against up 17 threats, your OPV does not stand a chance

So, provide proof please

agaugust:
-Prove to us with source that Hind cannot hover. Hovering is a normal helicopter capability.

-Backflip is for air show aerobatics display, not combat. Helicopter facing the enemy, then does backflip and faces the same enemy again, any sense in that? The pilots will be sh.ot down by anti-aircraft during his backflip, the helicopter cannot fire during a backflip you dundee !

- helicopters don't need air to air advanced maneuvers to attack a ground target. It's not jet vs jet dogfight in the air. Olodo man !

- Hind taking off? Where is the dust from the rotors blowing the desert soil ?

Photo 1 : NAF Hind doing successful combat zone Nap Of Earth flight in which Rooivalk failed and crashed in broad daylight
Photo 2 & 3 : Combat helicopter talking off and raising heavy dust as usual
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- i said the hind cannot hover in combat
- you said scorpion maneuver is usefull for fighter jets in combat. Why is a backflip now not usefull?
- advanced combat maneuvers are used to avoid enemy ground fire and move quickly from firing position to firing position
- Hind M is incapable of NOE flight, hence, it is taking off.

agaugust:
What proof do you have that Valour frigate chaff will work to stop missiles or that your CIWS will stop missiles?

You are the ones challenging P18N anti-missile decoy, so prove it does not work, you need to prove it, substantiate your claims !
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I have made no claims about the effectiveness of the Valour class ASM/SSM defence

You have said that your decoy launcher will defeat ALL missiles

Prove it

agaugust:
[size=16pt]Patches admits with tears :

"Our Valour Frigate CANNOT match your NNS Thunder range in patrol around Africa
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It can with the Drakensburg

agaugust:
I never said chaff launchers are 100% effective. Quote where I said so, quote me now !

I never talked about chaff on P18N, I said decoy, not chaff.

It was you Southies who first started by asking if our decoy is 100% effective, so you must post proof that it is not !
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You said your decoy launcher is 100% effective

Prove it

agaugust:
You must post the proof of Royal navy evidence, since you make the claim. Post citations for us to see their Exocet war experience.
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HMS SHEFFIELD - mortally damaged south east of Falklands by Exocet missile. Burnt out and sank in tow on Monday 10th May
ATLANTIC CONVEYOR - mortally damaged north east of Falklands by Exocet missile fired by Super Etendard of CANA 2 Esc. Burnt out and later sank in tow.
HMS Glamorgan - damaged off Stanley by land-based Exocet missile
http://www.naval-history.net/F62-Falklands-British_ships_lost.htm


5 exocet were sold to argentina
http://www.theweek.co.uk/world-news/falkland-islands/45704/bbc-finds-evidence-french-helped-argentines-sink-our-ships

HMS Sheffield had chaff launchers

3/5 = 60% hit probability

60% of 17 = 10

10 of our Exocet will hit your one OPV

It will be atomized

ocelot2006:
No Nigeria is not a member of BRICS

But she is a member of MINT

Exactly

and BRICS > MINT

agaugust:
Bring your warship out for a fight then ! talk to Zuma that you want a war. Simple.

Augstus

Stop avoiding the question

You have said chaff launchers are 100% effective

What has made you come to this conclusion?

agaugust:
[size=20pt]All your above calculations are wrong !

Wrong because the max range of Warrior class is NOT 4,000 miles.

It's 3,600 miles....Fool. You don't know the range of your own boat

Performance:

Output, max: 11mW
Speed, max: 32 kts
Range, miles: 1,500 miles at 30 kts or 3,600+ miles at economic speed
Endurance: 10 days stores

http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=454

All your calculation and maths is wrong !

I am your teacher

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[size=20pt]TIME FOR A MATHS LESSON!![/size]

Warrior class OPV

Range: 3600nmi (6 667 km) at 18knts (32kmh)

667 divided by 32 = 208

Hence - it takes the warrior class 208 hours to cover 7400km (less than 10 days)

How many hours in 10 days? 240!

P18N range 3000nmi (5556km) at 18knts (32kmh)

5556 divided by 32 = 173

It takes 173 hours for the P18N to run out of fuel (7 days)

Conclusion: Warrior class outranges the P18N because it can patrol for ALL 10 days of its endurance while the P18N can only patrol for 7 days of its endurance

lezz:
do you want more proof s.a is not a BRIC member as of now ?

OMG

This is hilarious

Read your own source

lezz:
Here is for your comprehension. I know you don't give up even in the face of uncompromised fact. Read this for your own fvckery:The nomenclatures of economic trading
blocs are becoming numerous: It all started
with G 8 , the great eight largest economies ,
G 20 and then BRICS , organization of five
major emerging national economies of
Brazil, Russia ,
India , China and South Africa .
Now comes MINT nations, MINT is the
acronym for an association of four major
emerging economies Of Mexico , Indonesia ,
Nigeria and Turkey.
Both MINT and BRICS were coined and
popularized by Jim O ’ Neil, an economist of
first order and the former chairman of
Goldman Sachs Asset Management. Jim
O ’ Neil can be rightly called an authority on
productivity assessment of emerging
economies .
” As of 2013 , the five BRICS countries
represent almost 3 billion people , with a
combined nominal GDP of US$16 . 039
trillion , and an estimated US $4 trillion in
combined foreign reserves . Presently, South
Africa holds the chair of the BRICS group,
having hosted the group’ s fifth summit in
2013 .
The BRICS have received both praise and
criticism from numerous quarters. ”
The major criticism was for the admission
of South Africa into the BRICS with its
relatively smaller GDP and inadequate
infrastructures, together with its annual
anemic economic growth .
Jim O ’ Neil , who disagreed with South Africa
admission into the BRICS , also popularized
this phenomenon of bloc of nations
neologism that are futuristic with dominant
emerging economies . And now he has also
fashioned and endorsed MINT nations with
the recent economic waning of BRICS
nations.
This is how Jim O ’ Neil introduced MINT
nations in his article in Bloomberg and he
delineated MINT as the potential emerging
investment destination

So you article confirms that South Africa is a BRICS nation?

Well done on killing you argument?

MINT remains a fantasy

BRICS is a reality

China And Russia chose RSA over Nigeria

Thanks forbade help

lezz:
I am dancing skelewu before responding to this very post.

Patrick or whatever they call you. You are an e-criminal. Debating with you is waste if data.

Nairaland has known no worse fraud and dishonest member than you. And that will be your legacy here, I'll see to that.

Now back to topic : O' Neil formed and coined the term BRIC and he never included S.A. You know this.

Other members invited S.A into it. Just like S.A was trying to invite Nigeria but we graciously turned down because we're bigger than you.

Academics and Economic institutions and analysts never include S.A in BRIC.

Same O' Neil coined MINTS which have a better prospects than BRIC and Nigeria us in MINT.

bwuahahaja.

So You literally have no idea what BRICS is?

Nigeria was never invited

MINT is a fantasY

You are a waste of time

Into the trash you go

lezz:
which of my points do you want citation for ?

Everything you said

lezz:
partnership on what ? I beg to differ with this Zulu. . You have been kicked out of the BRICs you got through the backdoor. bwuahhaha.

Zulus love vain glory they can't achieve.

Are we or are we not a BRICS member?

Is Nigeria a BRICS member?

No?

I rest my case

lezz:
Nigeria spent over $10 billion in Liberia alone in the 90's. We and Ethiopia are in the UN due to our military heritage. S.A only come to make up the numbers or fulfil formality that's why a country like Tanzania will head you in an international mission

Please, Zulu incompetence both in your military and beyond are well acknowledged. It is not even controversial

Post some citations to back that up and then we can discuss you argument.

lezz:
I am saying no one gives a jack about S A or your military. S A is no longer relevant.

Countries who should be on this thread are Ethiopians and Egyptians . not tree hoping Zulus looking for international validation.

Jack out of here and go see if the sandf has found their "highly skilled" white recruits they've been looking for.

You sound emotional

You should go have a liedown and a beer to calm down

Come back when you have something to contribute

FYI: We get more than enough international validation - it is us whom Russia and China chose to form a partnership with, not you. I think that says enough.

lezz:
sophisticated sandf still looking for rhino poachers.

Cross border Rhino poaching is no longer a problem thanks to the SANDF

Poaching is now being conducted from within South Africa which makes it law-enforcements job, not the SANDF

This is so because the SANDF has never been deployed directly for counter-poaching activities, they are deployed for border protection and security.

lezz:
nice excuse for your fashion model military which has failed in every given task at national and international level.
Nigeria and Ethiopia remain the biggest contributor in Africa to the UN peace keeping efforts.

You have been telling lies and twisting facts since the commencement of this thread.

Your army since 1994 which hierarchy have been occupied by Zulu freedom fighters are all a bunch half-literates whose biggest qualification into the sandf is guerrilla warfare.

SANDF has yet to fail a task.

Biggest contributore because you need the UN money to pay your wages!!

SANDF heirachy is a mix of former SADF soldiers and former freedom fighters.

Those "half illiterates" you refer to all hold extensive and top level training from countries like Russia and East Germany and were again re-trained when they were introduced into the SANDF.

Dude, if you dont like the SANDF thats fine, but dont come here and spill nonsense

lezz:
what their army is good at is picture warfare .

#Butthurt

Sorry our military doesnt look like the rag-tag militia that the Nigerian military is.

lezz:
and your battle starved military is busy posing for pics more than real army that are battle proven, tested and hardened.

S.A army begging for the spot light.

Are you saying it is a bad thing that South Africa is not in the middle of a civil war and has its waters and coast-line infested with pirates like Nigeria?

Anyway, experience is past down through training

Please show me these "posed" pictures you refer to

lionel4power:
lol picture op army... No real experience

Experience is passed down through training

South Africa is vastly more experienced than the Nigerian military in that sense

lezz:
invited by the military top brass for propaganda.

The press are only invited to 2 events a year

The rest is picked up by private citizens or soldiers in a personal capacity - pictures taken during training exercises.

Unlike your military, we train heavily, we train your military as well

Anyway, your posts sound very bitter

lionel4power:
short range

And so?

medium range is on the way

long range is under development

We are building an air defence system that you cannot even afford to buy

lezz:
lolz ! Still basking in the illusion of an army that love pictures more than Hollywood celebrities? Your mofo is world class,

99% of pictures are taken by private citizens

saengine:
After the retirement of the Cactus system, the SA Army only really had 35 mm guns for air defence. It's good to see that the Ground Based Air Defence System (GBADS) is coming along nicely, and that army planners are thinking ahead. Instead of rushing to implement systems at the last hour.

GBADS Phase 1. Short range Starstreak missile and launchers. Operational.

https://www.defenceweb.co.za/images/stories/LAND/LAND_new/gbads-DISS-006.jpg


GBADS Phase 2. Ugrade of twin 35 mm guns with Skyshield FCU and AHEAD ammunition. Ongoing.

https://www.armyrecognition.com/images/stories/europe/germany/artillery_vehicle/skyshield/Skyshield_35_FCU_Fire_Control_Unit_short-range_air_defense_system_Rheinmetall_German_Germany_defense_industry_details_001.jpg


GBADS Phase 2 Continued. 20km range landed-based Umkhonto missile launchers. Testing and evaluation phase.
From what I know the hardware (missiles, launch containers, etc) is ready, while the fire control software is being tweaked and finalized
by the likes of CSIR and Reutech Radar Systems.

https://admin.denel.co.za/uploads/4f37761a26ba11b2fa44aa5a84d6719b.jpg

Starstreak is the best VSHORAD in Africa

and with the implimentation of Sky-Sheild we will be the only African military, and one of the few militarys in the world, to have an active CRAM system