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agaugust:
War history did not say 60%, you joggled the figures by your own opinion. Like you said a helicopter taking off in desert sand raises no dust !

Hit rate on target is NOT calculated by people like you, it is done by equipment manufacturer on specs datasheet for user appraisal.

Post me a source from Exocet manufacturer for it's hit probability.
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War history does not lie!!

Argentina had 5 exocet!

3 hit targets!

60% accuracy in combat

End of story

lezz:
Patrick you just lack deductive reasoning. Despite the fact that what you quoted has been overtaken by facts, it is still a pointer that south Africa is a back door member whose membership has been generally agreed to be unmerited both by O'Neil , fellow bric members and international economic analysts.


Tell me if bona FIDE members like Russia and Brazil are currently facing membership expulsion , why are you doubting the membership nullification of an ordinary invitee like south Africa?
Reason: because you are patchesagain who is allergic to facts and NEVER owns up.

1. No one cares what O'neil thinks - Russia, India, Brazil (the founders of the BRIC group) chose South Africa.
2. Who is going to expell Russia and Brazil?

agaugust:
Yes you did, you said they have a 60% hit ratio and you gave no source to prove it
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War history is the source

Argentina had 5 exocet

3 hit targets

2 sunk ships

1 damaged a ship so badly it was taken out of action.

3/5 = 60%

War history proves it!!

agaugust:
Nope, you are the one saying decoy will not defeat missile, so prove it !

I have done enough, last war history of missile vs decoy, the decoys defeated the missiles.

So since you have a different opinion, prove it with source. Also show us source for 60% hit rate for Exocet.

Not all the missiles exploded, not all hit target, not all the ships had decoys, not all the ships used their decoys, NONE of the ships is even stealth to avoid radar tracking.....60% is a bad bad poor hit rate for a missile.

Prove to us that modern decoys cannot defeat modern missiles that the manufacturer built them to defeat....Prove your claim !

Burden of proof is on you....so post source to beat the decoy manufacturers ! We are waiting 1
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I never said the decoy will not defeat the missile.

Quote me where I said it!!

I asked what the effectiveness of your decoy system is!! You run away and refuse to answer!!

War history? Falklands war where 3 out of 5 of the Argentine missiles hit ships, sinking 2 and damaging one. Same war where you said Chaff defeats exocet!!

3/5 missiles = 60%

I posted that with the citation earlier - clear war history that chaff only affects the Exocet 40% of the time!!

So Valour class will sink your OPV.

Proven by "war history"!!!

agaugust:
Bwahahaahahaa Total rubbish !

F-7 does not need to fly the way you wish or want. We fly with our own tactics and experience.

NAF pilots are battle experienced in air to ground attack after 6,000 combat sorties in 6 months...current experience.

F-7 flies in entry at 9km above Valour frigate. Umkhonto missile maximum ceiling is 8km

The F-7 gets close to Valour frigate about 2,000 km/hr not full speed. Changes to 7.5 km above the ship forcing the ship to defend and fire Umkhonto missile in vain....

F-7 gets SAM warning and changes to 9 km above ship in about 2 seconds.

Umkhonto CANNOT attain full speed immediately, needs many seconds to accelerate from zero to mach 2....F-7 is back above missile ceiling.

Missiles fail, saturation attack succeeds. Valour frigate will lose all it's air defence missiles. F-7 returns then to rocket the ship to sea bottom.

Dude, we have been through this many times, lets not waste time.

Another new threat has emerged to sink Valour frigates....PJ-46 and AK-176 on Nigerian stealth OPVs !
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1. What missiles will the F-7 use? How will it attack the valour class?
2. In combat a Valour Class carries over 30 SAM's

How will your OPV sink a Valour class?

lezz:
at last an implicit admission of dullness and clueless-ness from Patrick, the zulu .

It should be noted that O'Neill grouped these nations together because they have the potential to form an influential economic bloc, and not because they represent a political alliance or a formal trading association.

The nations, however, have met at an international relations summit annually since 2009. The first two conferences were referred to as the 2009 BRIC summit and 2010 BRIC summit. In 2010, South Africa was officially admitted as a BRIC nation following an invitation from China and the other BRIC nations. The current acronym is BRICS (with a capital "S" - Brazil, Russia, India, China and South Africa. Since 2011, the annual conference has been referred to as the BRICS summit.

Read more: http://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/13/what-is-bric-nation.asp#ixzz3bhYldG1E
Follow us: @Investopedia on Twitter

You see?

Your man O'neil may have coined the term

But the BRICS organization has nothing to do with him - it is an inter-state organization.

Thats it, last post. I am done with you.

lezz:
at last an implicit admission of dullness and clueless-ness from Patrick, the zulu .

It is no such thing.

It is a statemnt that I am not wasting another second of my life on this pointless debate with you.

We all know what BRICS is, if you dont, then that is your problem not mine.

lezz:
I do not know what BRIC is, all the sources I quoted didn't know what BRIC is; O'Neil the founder and coiner doesn't know what BRIC is.

Only one Zulu in Soweto knows what BRIC is

Dude, post away.

I am done with you.

You just arent worth the time or energy.

We all know what BRICS is - an interstate organisation that co-operates and alignes economic and political policy to further domestic and regional economic growth.

You may think that it is is a term or a definition, or whetever you want - you can base your entire argument on the opinion of one man. I dont care, you just arent worth the time or energy.

Everyone knows what BRICS is, everyone knows how it works... you can continue to think that some economist in New York e-mailed the BRICS nations and told them that they are now an organization and must work together, and that he can break them up via e-mail. Its your problem not mine.

This entire argument stems from the deep emotional pain you feel because Russia, China, India and Brazil chose South Africa over Nigeria.

agaugust:
I need a citation to confirm your private opinion of 60% hit probability, post proof by a technical source. Your opinion is NOT fact

Bwahahaha....see Nigerian OPV making Patches to sweat on his laptop !

I thought you said Nigeria has no warship, why do you need Exocet missiles against a mere 'Coast Guard' according to you ?

Are you so much afraid of Nigerian OPVs ? You need the whole of your navy war arsenal to fight against OPVs ? LOL....LOL

1. The HMS Sheffield is an old 1970 warship

2. Nigerian P18N are digital fully computerized 2014 warships

3. All ships of Royal navy hit by Exocets are NOT stealth ships, so they were easy to radar target

4. Nigerian P18N OPVs are stealth warships and invisible to radar at distance

5. The countermeasures in Falkland war ships are from 1970s generation, obsolete equipment

6. The countermeasures are about year 2000 new generation equipment with modern technology


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1970's exocets v 1970's decoys and warships = 2 british ships sunk, one damaged (60% hit rate in combat)

modern exocets v modern decoys and warships = ??

You say that your decoy dispensers will defeat exocet - prove it

agaugust:
I need a citation to confirm your private opinion of 60% hit probability, post proof by a technical source. Your opinion is NOT fact

Bwahahaha....see Nigerian OPV making Patches to sweat on his laptop !

I thought you said Nigeria has no warship, why do you need Exocet missiles against a mere 'Coast Guard' according to you ?

Are you so much afraid of Nigerian OPVs ? You need the whole of your navy war arsenal to fight against OPVs ? LOL....LOL

1. The HMS Sheffield is an old 1970 warship

2. Nigerian P18N are digital fully computerized 2014 warships

3. All ships of Royal navy hit by Exocets are NOT stealth ships, so they were easy to radar target

4. Nigerian P18N OPVs are stealth warships and invisible to radar at distance

5. The countermeasures in Falkland war ships are from 1970s generation, obsolete equipment

6. The countermeasures are about year 2000 new generation equipment with modern technology


[size=20pt] Exocet missiles get defeated by chaff

" Exocet may not be invincible after all. Analysis of the Falklands conflict suggests that, after the crippling of HMS Sheffield, Royal Navy countermeasures were able to cope with the anti-ship missile. Extensive use was made of chaff-filled decoy rockets to produce false target echoes on Exocet's active-radar seeker. Exocets were launched on at least three occasions, each less successful than the last,suggesting that the Royal Navy has developed tactics which render the missile almost ineffective. "

http://www.flightglobal.com/FlightPDFArchive/1982/1982%20-%201960.PDF

Nigerian Navy OPVs will defeat ALL South African Exocet missiles.

The combat will become gun battle. Nigerian OPV have superior gun firepower over South African frigates.

Nigeria will sink Mandela's navy !

CASE CLOSED

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So you are saying that chaff is 100% effective?

Yes or no?

lezz:
your clever attempt to interrupt my punches isn't working.

Zulu Bric is not a political alliance . it is an economic term for the next economic power players which eventually didn't materialize. South Africa which the coiner and founder of BRIC didn't include was never an authentic member although she was included into the team in 2010 almost 7 years after it was formed. However after poor infrastructural deficit and economic stagnation , international institutions and analysis had to agree with the original coiner O'Neil that south Africa isn't a member.



Presently as I type this the membership of Russia and Brazil are in serious consideration. The membership of S.A is a debatable matter ; she was never an official member to begin with.

Olé BRIC

Ok, so you have no idea what BRICS is then.

I am not wasting anymore time with you, you can stew in your own stup.idity and think whatever you want to.

agaugust:
Quote where I ever said so, quote it !
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Here

agaugust:
Naija OPV PJ-24 decoy does the job that manufacturer made it to do....destroy ALL enemy anti-ship missile
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here:

agaugust:
our OPV anti-missile decoys will defeat your Valour ship missiles

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Here:

agaugust:
The Nigerian P18N OPVs will defeat ALL the few Exocet missiles on South African Valour Frigates, the combat will turn to gun battle at sea, and Nigerian OPV 76mm guns are more sophisticated and have longer range superior to the older guns/shorter range of the Valour frigates.
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You pig-disgusting liar, you shameless, hopeless, desperate man!


You said it would defeat ALL missiles

ALL = 100%

So are you now saying it is not 100% effective?

agaugust:
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Nope, wrong again dullard, South Africans are born failures.

All your calculation is wrong because Warrior class CANNOT range 3,600 miles at 18 knts

The correct data is :

Range, miles: 1,500 at 30kt; 3,600+ at economical speed

http://navy.mil.za/equipment/patrol.htm

In mathematics, we have what we call value definition of variable.

Economic speed is NOT defined in the specs data sheet, so how can you say it is 18 knts ?

What is your source of Warrior class economic speed ? Prove it now !

Bwahahaha...I am gonna k.ill Patches with sweat and wahala today o !

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Augustus

I took the economical speed from the Isrealy strike craft it is based on (and uses the same engines as)

Stop wasting our time with asinine arguments

Take your beating like a man

agaugust:
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Okay so you have obeyed my command and changed your range from 4,000 miles to 3,600 miles ?

Patches I really squeezed your two balls till breaking point

Now who is really dishing out maths lessons? You with wrong data, or me correcting your own data and forcing you to recalculate with my own data?

I own you Patches !
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[size=20pt]I see you are hiding from the fact that I have proven that the warrior class still outranges your OPV despite less endurance!!

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lezz:
Ole BRIC. all the links I got for you are 2015. Take this one further January 8th 2015http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-01-08/bric-in-danger-of-becoming-ic-says-acronym-coiner-jim-o-neill.

I see you still think that BRICS is a title "awarded" to the BRICS members

And failing to understand that BRICS is an internal operation between the members.

Its an organization you fvcking troll

Anyway, I have thrashed you - I am done with you

agaugust:
Okay so you have obeyed my command and changed your range from 4,000 miles to 3,600 miles ?

Patches I really squeezed your two balls till breaking point
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You still imagining playing with my balls?

I thought homosexuality was illegal in nigeria...

Anyway - i see you are running from the part of my post where I showed that the Warrior Class still outranges your OPV even with less endurance.

lezz:
And the SANDF is notorious for propaganda, doctored reports and docility.

Because you say so?

Back that up with proof

agaugust:
You probably bribed your way there. Same way South Africa bribed FIFA with $10 million to host world cup 2010.

So you actually did not deserve or win the bid to host, your rotten country bribed FIFA !

Shame on Mandela's legacy ! Thanks to you frauds and thieves !
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Is it a fact that we bribed them?

Its an allegation - dont jump to another conclusion like you did with the fisherman who got shot at!! Remember how embarrassing it was for you!

And FYI - Our world cup was absolutely flawless

lezz:
I choose to murder you still with facts. Ole BRIC nation. Read more :

Brazil, Russia, India And China - BRIC
DEFINITION OF 'BRAZIL, RUSSIA, INDIA AND CHINA - BRIC'
An acronym for the economies of Brazil, Russia, India and China combined. The general consensus is that the term was first prominently used in a Goldman Sachs report from 2003, which speculated that by 2050 these four economies would be wealthier than most of the current major economic powers.

Outdated info you fraud

The leaders of the five Brics countries have signed a deal to create a new $100bn (£58.3bn) development bank and emergency reserve fund.
The Brics group is made up of Brazil, Russia, India, China and South Africa.
http://www.bbc.com/news/business-28317555

from the same website as your source:

Brazil, Russia, India, China And South Africa - BRICS
http://www.investopedia.com/terms/b/brics.asp

Dude, I am not wasting my time with you anymore.

You clearly have no idea what you are talking about

agaugust:
Nigerian army is better kitted than your. Try deploy 40,000 men in one battle like Nigeria did, then we can compare your kit.

Last time we saw your troops in thousands, many kits were missing !
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When was their kit missing?

Nigerian deployment is no-where near 40,000 men.

Your army is notorious for mismatched equipment, under-equipping of men and soldiers being forced to use civilian equipment because they have to buy their own equipment.

agaugust:
Nope, what we are saying is that South Africa does not need civil war at home.

Liberia and Sierra Leone wars are not Nigerian territory battles, yet Nigeria was there to fight as leader of Africa.

C.A.R needed full force from South Africa to save lifes of fellow Africans in trouble, South African army ran away instead of helping humanity.

That is the difference between Nigerian military and South African military....courage....humanitarian courage and war capacity....victory
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1. You completely failed in liberia and sierra leone
2. CAR is closer to Nigeria than South Africa - why did you not send men?

SANDF has been very active in our sphere of influence, we have extensive combat deployments in DRC and have trained multiple battalions of men, we stabilized Burunid, de-mined and de-armed Mozambique and stopped an illegal coup in Lesotho, while we have secured Mozambiques waters for them. In terms of humanitarian aid, we have twice assisted Mozambique is disaster releif and have sent disaster releif teams as far as Japan.

SANDF has yet to fail a mission.

The fact that the SADAC bloc is realativly peacfull is not a flaw of the SANDF - its proof of its exellence.

agaugust:
Battle starved army, LOL...SANDF humiliated, wow ! My sides
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So you are saying that unless an army has seen combat it is not good at what it does?

Please say yes.

agaugust:
Nigeria too is re-arming, not only you. Then you are broke, no cash
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We are broke?

Who is it that is borrowing money to pay government employees?

Us or you?

Do you want to compare what we have gotten to what you have?

Year 2000 to now - lets compare, you go first.

Note: Only equipment delivered/in service or equipment for which the delivery contract has been signed (provide proof)

agaugust:
Nigeria has both...the two. South Africa has only one...you are inferior
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Nigerian army is completely lacking training, proven by the fact that you hired South African mercenaries to train you

agaugust:
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[size=16pt]Nigerian air force in combat 2015
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Useless F-7s and Hinds flown by mercenaries?

Impressive

agaugust:
[size=20pt]Zero Combat Experience In 20 years....Shame [/size]
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Training > Combat experience

SANDF is doing things in that video that Nigeria could only dream of - because of superior training

agaugust:
NO CRAM till 2017 for SANDF....maybe even 2020 due to current cash crunch. Today you have NONE ! No CRAM !

Starstreak is worst missile in Africa, maximum ceiling is 1km, Togolese Alpha jets will mass R.ape SANDF and delete your helpless army

Algeria and Egypt already have CRAM in their armies. You are NOT even the first, talk less of being the only one. Thief !
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Project ends in 2017

Meaning systems are being completed now

I dont think you know what VSHORAD is or the role it plays

Really? What CRAM systems do Algeria and Egypt have? Inform me

agaugust:
Hamilton cutter was stripped down for the US Coast Guard use many years ago. The Americans used the stripped down version with no missiles and CIWS, that's all they removed and the Americans used it like that for many years.

Nothing was stripped off again before transfer to Nigeria, the strip down was done for American use, not Nigerian use.

Learn to use google, don't be lazy.

It never had missiles in the first place

Americans stripped all their equipment from it

Its a stripped down 50 year old broken down man

agaugust:
You fvcking lair !

South African navy does NOT have any 76mm super rapid naval gun !

You have old school 76mm compact....obsolescent gun is all your over-rated navy has
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A navy with 4 missile armed frigates and 3 subs is "over-rated"

What does that make your navy?

agaugust:
You want more sea warfare lessons? You should be paying me school fees
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Yes, tell us how an Alpha jet will sink a submarine

agaugust:
You are the one disputing anti-missile decoy, so provide proof that it will not defeat a missile
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I am not saying that it wont defeat a missile

you are saying that it will defeat all 17 missiles.

Provide proof.

agaugust:
our OPV anti-missile decoys will defeat your Valour ship missiles

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Provide proof that this will happen