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Henry240:
22, 000, all thanks to Zuma, his clan of bandits and the presidential Air Fleet.

7 Frigates, make it up 14.

Prove it

Henry240:
It isn't what you need. You're too broke to even need.

It is only practical because you cannot afford aviation fuel. So you fly your Gripens less than 2 hours per month,

So you ground ground your entire Augusta A109 fleet.

So you store in the freezer half your Gripen fleet.

The only thing practical is how broke you are.
The only thing also practical is how you only managed to raise only 9 pilots despite signing your Gripen contract 15 years ago.

The only thing practical is you fly museum pieces for MP duties.

You know what else is practical for the pathetic SAAF, 3 C-130's for 1.2 million KM area.

That's how practically pathetic you are.

Hahaha

This post is so emtional, i think it takes the cake as the single most emotional post ever made here!!

I can see henry120 crouched infeont of his pc, sitting on a bag of ice (for the butthurt), angrily slamming the keys of his keyboard with tears of anger streaming down his face, cassawa juice dripping down his mouth as he mouths out the words he types

Gripen fleet flys 5 hours per month per pilot (3000/40/14) which is in line with the flight hours the USAF gets

Augusta are not grounded for a lack of funds, nor have they ever been

No gripen are in storage

We have 14 gripen pilots as that is inline with our needs, and unlike Nigeria we are prepared now for any potential future escalation of needs - we prepare for war in peace

If we are broke, then the nigerian military is homeless, considering we spend about as muh as you do- yet we are half your size and are at peace

The DAKs have modern engines and avionics

C-130's needs are not dictated by the size of our country, and we keep 3 operational as we make sure we follow proper maintenance cycles

Nigerian airforce on the otherhand is full of obsolete airframes, no capacity for modern warfare and is unable to maintain and operate the usless junk in your arsenal

I am sorry that this makes you so angry, but facts are facts

Henry240:
I just could not help laughing at all your posts today. There is no way to spin doctor anything.

Those numbers keep parading were raked up by your Presidential Air Fleet. Not the larger Airforce.

You have no aviation fuel boy, it has been confirmed again by this article.

Your MPA's are 55 years old, true and actual museum artifacts.

You sent 1 C-130 to Lagos, leaving a paltry 2 C-130's for a country with a 1.2 million kilometre area.

Somehow this clown thinks it's something to be so joyous over.

NAF deployed 2 C-130 and 2 G-222's to mali.
NAF C-130 and a french military C-120 in mali

The SAAF should be competing with the Airforce of Malawi or somalis

Prove 18 000 hours was flown by the VIP fleet

NAF doesnt have the airfleet to get men to Mali abd you abandoned your men in Sudan because you couldent fly them home

22000 hours of flying time allocated means we dont lack aviation fuel

DAKs have modern engines and avionics

You dont have a leg to stand on
SAAF>NAF

Henry240:
Wishful thinking. Your supposed review is literally gathering dust in your parliament. your Government should be more concerned with paying off the 40%, in loans, it still owns from a 1999 ego boosting spree that has left the SAAF with only 9 pilots, no aviation fuel and a severely weak Airforce.

3 C-130's to cover over 1.2million KM, you clowns need to snap off your hallucinations.

Not even going to bother responding to this trash

Henry240:
There is ample proof you have no more than 9 pilots.

You have only trained 18 Air crew members in 15 years.

You have 9 D models, it translates to 9 Gripen pilots and 9 navigators.

SAAF has only 9 pilots for their fleet of Gripen Jets.

FACT.

Run away from it
Hide from it
Deny it

It is there, and it sure ain't leaving.

No, this is not a fact

This is not proof
14 operational gripen = 14 Grip pilots

Henry240:
9 pilots

9 navigators
26 planes.

Shame on you.

Prove it

jl115:
Ecuadorian Air Force: With a fighter that is much much more advanced than anything NAF currently has.

The jews screwed them with those kfirs btw

Long story, but yeah, those airframes have taken a beating

agaugust:
l am NOT your mate, I am your boss....because I am a Nigerian, get it? Soweto mumu, you get it?
.

Sure thing, whatever you say

Mate

agaugust:
No I won't, because another retaarrd from Soweto republic will ask me to post it again next week. I have repeatedly posted it over 20 times in 20 months. View my posts of last week, it's there, source is defenceweb
.

Yet you constantly demand we repost?

Are you hiding something?

agaugust:
SANDF tenders and even contracts get cancelled for lack of funds like A400M airbus aircraft that you desperately need but no money to buy.

Show us specs of the OPV you want to buy and show us the ghost companies that have responded to your cashless, penniless and Rand-less tenders.

Nigeria has also tendered for 10 stealth P18N from same manufacturers well known in China and Song Class submarine has been presented to us by the same manufacturer...

South Africans are here boasting about ghost OPVs, ghost manufacturers, ghost funding, ghost everything!
.

A400 was cancelled because airbus broke their contractual obligations to us, and we are likely getting the A400M anyway

We have posted the list of shipyards conpeteing for the OP Biro tenders

You have not contacted the chinese re 10 new opvs

Same appliea to the song sub

agaugust:
Show me proof that SAAF had all 8 pilots fly in Lion Effort.

You had 4 jets single seaters with 4 seats for 4 pilots or your 8 pilote were seating on each others laps inside cockpit?

Show me proof that all 8 SAAF pilots flew in Lion Effort.

In that crowd SAAF has 4 pilots confirmed to have flown.

The other 4 are bench warmers
.

Lol i dont have to prove anything

I just busted you outright for lying

agaugust:
Source please!

My own source is taken from SA based defenceweb publication I posted here last week.

Show us your own source of 10 aircraft carriers !
.

hahaha

Those are just nigerian dreams

No such projects are operational

agaugust:
Naija navy....17 Frigates, 3 Submarines, 3 LPDs.

More than you can deal with
.

You have none of those things

And you are planning on buying any of them anytime soon

agaugust:
Nigeria is buying 10 OPVs plus 4 existing OPVs = 14 OPVs add 300 existing IPVs and MPVs already existing in Nigerian navy, then South African navy becomes a tiny sardine fish while Naija navy is a huge Shark that will swallow all that Mandela laboured to build
.

Hahahah

Augugbug has lost his mind

agaugust:
[size=14pt]NAF flew 1,148 combat sorties in 2 months. Show us how many combat sorties SAAF has flown since 20 years ago !
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[citation needed]

agaugust:
First problem is NNS Thunder and NNS Okpabana have 13km range 76mm gun with rapid fire mode anti-aircraft, so before Lynx can launch Mokopa 10km away, NNS Thunder has struck the helicopter dead 13km away.

Second problem is that South African military have NO SINGLE Mokopa in service
.

First problem is that both ships have massive blind spots where they cannot defend themselves from

Second, if we need it we get it. Its integrated.

overhypedsteve:
I do not want to know why. Until they ve being tested and tried under this harsh theatres and I am not talking about a friendly military exercise. Only then will i want to know why. So Its high time you call on your Algerian friends for joint training in the sahara.

We have our own deserts and arid area's which we train in.

We have fought in the desert in two seperate wars

Desert warfare suits us perfectly

agaugust:
Bwahaha

The air target in that argument was F-7 jet with speed over 2,000 km/h but now the air target in this new argument is a snail slow Lynx helicopter with 280 km/h speed that even Racing cars in the Grand Prix can match !

You don't know that gun effect on air target depends on aircraft speed, so you k.illed y.ourself....Mumu Durango
.

lynx max speed is 324km/h

you will need to fuse the shells manually

lynx will be bobing and weaving

so shells will never be fused properly

Thus you have to score a direct hit

on a target you cannot even see and which is far more maneuverable than an F-7

Plus, what happens if you are attacked from the rear of the vessel? Your vessel has a massive blind spot where the gun cannot fire

A simple Lynx can cripple your finest vessel.

agaugust:
I did read my posts for sure, I read it so much that I even made it into photo screenshots for Nairaland to see.

SAAF had only 4 Jet aircraft in Lion Effort, for the 4 capable good pilots, the other 4 pilots belong to the drum beating trumpet blowing supporters club bench warmers.

So your pilots are NOT the same class, 4 good, 4 crap = 8 Gripen pilots.

Go see Lion Effort profile pages of SAAF pilots and see how many of your 8 pilots have real life combat exerience since the day they were born, the counting will embarrass SAAF
.

Nope,

you didnt read

you said 4 pilots

You cant dig your way out of this hole

learn to read.

NighttWalker:
FN F2000 and P90 are great guns with good range and awesome firing rate but we have both I don't know if that's enough but I'd like get them maybe HK G36(first pic) get our snipers in NE Barrett M82 (second pic) the SV-96 is good but this is a bad boy and finally take AKs from our police and give them A Kriss Vector (third pic) and I know Kriss vector is a pistol so if u guess its not good enough the can get MP5 (4th pic)

- G36: barrel melts the rest of the gun with sustained firing, optics are shite, its heavy on maintenance (the germans dont like it and complain bitterly about it on /k/)
-Barret is overkill for a sniper-rifle unless you are going to be doing consistent long range shooting (like in Afghan) or sniping in anti-material role, also that big cartridge makes follow up shots and concealment a problem. I would suggest an alternative, but there is no single weapon to fullfill the "sniper" role. A mix between battle-rifles, bolt actions and anti-material is best.
-SV-96: I dont know anything about it
-Vector: very overated, weapon "wobble" during fire degrades parts heavily. If they can work out the kinks it will be great, but until then its a failed execution of a fantastic concept. MP5 is the way forward, but the UMP-9 is basically a modern MP5 and that would be the better choice IMO

NighttWalker:
FN F2000 and P90 are great guns with good range and awesome firing rate but we have both I don't know if that's enough but I'd like get them maybe HK G36(first pic) get our snipers in NE Barrett M82 (second pic) the SV-96 is good but this is a bad boy and finally take AKs from our police and give them A Kriss Vector (third pic) and I know Kriss vector is a pistol so if u guess its not good enough the can get MP5 (4th pic)

If Nigeria is looking for a new gun

But wants something as rugged as the AK

But yet wants more modularity, accuracy, modern components (synthetics and such) as well as upgradability and versitility

There is only one answer

Swede AK5

Henry120:
A gradual replacement is fine by me. I doubt the Nigerian government would approve a wholesale purchase of 170,000 rifles in one fell swoop.

If the gun were to be replaced, you would know, because a factory would be built to do so

Henry120:
I don't think so at this point. It all depends on how well the rifle performs. This first batch of 1,000 units would go straight to N.A SF units. The remaining 5,000 additional units would be giving to N.A COIN based units.

Since we specifically asked for the 7.62mm Ammo, I see the army much later replacing the AK's with this rifle. It makes sense get the 7.62mm as we only recently completed installation of two 7.62mm production lines at DICON.

Replace and Ak-47 with an Ak in a new skin?

Doubt it will be an army wide replacement, just a more refined and versatile AK for specialized units.

Henry120:
Good news, I just read it's the M762 version. We are also going to buy up to 5000 of them. Our version would for the more powerful 7.62mm round, unlike the weaker 5.56mm.

5.56 is better.

More controllable and thus more accurate, lighter so you can carry more of it and so on

7.62 is only really suited for battle-rifles like the SCAR-H

Battle-Rifles full a different role to assault rifles.

Modern doctrine is calling for smaller more controllable weapons, hence why the americans are using mainly M4's these days

agaugust:
LOL... I know Lion Effort page says you had 8 pilots, the good ones were 4, they had the lead with 4 Gripens only.

The other 4 are extras, bench warmer spare pilots in reserve at Lion Effort

LOL...at best you have 8 pilots for Gripen, the good ones are 4, the other 4 are crap.

So, you have just been exposed for lying?

Look at the part in bold above above

look what you said below

agaugust:
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Yes @Iterator counted ONLY 4 SAAF pilots in that crowd photo you posted. Thief, you glory thief of Soweto !

Only 4 pilots are South Africans in that crowd

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Whatever dude, no one takes you seriously anymore

agaugust:
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Yes @Iterator counted ONLY 4 SAAF pilots in that crowd photo you posted. Thief, you glory thief of Soweto !

Gripen pilots from all over the world gather for Lion Effort in Sweden in 2012.

Only 4 pilots are South Africans in that crowd

ALL South Africans are fraudsters !

Likely your SAAF has only 4 pilots today, the few good ones that went to Lion Effort, the ones at home are unqualified crap pilots

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It says four South African Gripen, not four South African pilots

Learn
To
Read

Henry240:
My original post says it all.

Your Airforce is virtually non-existent.

Your origional post says nothing other that aircraft that are a low priority are not fully operational and that aircraft about to be replaced are old.

Wow, good job Cpt Obvious.

18 000 flight hours

Deal with it

Henry240:
Do you think "14" pilots can fly 26 Gripens?

You only got 9 Gripen pilots, shame.

Prove it.

We have 52 Hawk pilots, double the number of Hawks.

Just one conversion course and all Gripen and all Hawks will be combat ready.

Unlike you, we prepare for war while at peace.

The Nigerian solution would be to say "oldo dese here flyan machina be da much expensive! We sell da flyan machinene!!" then when war comes (like now) you dont have the gear you need (like now) and an enemy you should crush (like now) kicks your a** (like now) until you can buy the equipment you need which takes months to arrive and years to get full operational (like now)

Henry240:
The Nigerian Airforce has carried out 1635 airstrikes in 3 months. You think that did that with 2 Pilots?

Nope, you just lied about the number of airstrikes.

Provide us with a citation. Allow us to examine this figure.

Henry240:
how do you intend on buying 7 Frigates, if you don't have money for common aviation fuel?

You wanna "wish" them into existence?

22 000 flight hours budgeted for

7 Frigates

Deal. With. It

Henry240:
You have 9.

Answer the question, 14 pilots, is this a number to be proud of?

Its what we need.

So its nothing to be proud of, nothing to be ashamed of, its practical.

Unlike Nigerians, we South Africans are not an emotional people.

Also, day 2 of waiting for proof we only have 9

Henry240:
Considering your pathetic state, the SAAF should sell off all their assets, not just the Gripen. Excerpt you want to start up a museum with brand new fighter jets.

If you cannot afford aviation fuel, what can you then afford?


"The real situation of the SAAF, no holywood make believe".

We can afford 14 operational 4th Gen Fighters. Nigeria can afford zero

We can afford a biger operational helicopter fleet

We can afford 22 000 hours of flight

RSA has 3X the money of Nigeria, we are at peace, we are running our armed forces accordingly. Your wartime NAF doesnt compare, and never will.