₦airaland Forum

Henry120:
You're not making any sense.

I am posting pictures of random tanks in geographic conditions that are similar to parts of south africa and saying they are ours.

Just like you did with your T-72 picture

I thought you Nigerians were supposed to be clever? try to keep up.

Pic related, SANDF Abrams in Northern Cape

Henry120:
You have no operationally Data links, how do you do it?

What is this?
http://www.reutechcomms.com/linkza/

What is this?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Link-ZA

What is this?
http://researchspace.csir.co.za/dspace/handle/10204/3163

What is this?
http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=6184:zz&catid=79:fact-files&Itemid=159


Seriously, what is wrong with you?

Henry120:
How many african countries use the T-72?

How many use the B model?

What is the camo, geography of the countries which operate them?

You cannot afford tents for your troops in the DRC, how do you suppose, you afford a merkeva?

Who said we cant afford tents for troops in DRC? You still trying to validate your fairy tales?

Many nations operate T-72's in many desert areas

Pic related, South African Leopard 2, also in the Karoo

Henry120:
Again looking at your Gripen cockpit, how does this jet conduct the so called ISTAR?

Is there a two seat gripen?

Does the Gripen have a data-link allowing info to be sent to... gee, i dunno.... a combined op's HQ?

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[size=15pt]Hey auugubgugug... when you gunna post your uniform and weapon?

lol... i cant wait

(apparently accountants working for PMC's wear uniforms and are issued pistols)[/size]

Henry120:
N.A T-72 B conducting COIN operations in Adamawa state.

South African Merkava tanks in the Karroo

agaugust:

Wow, this is hilarious...demolition time for @Patches and SAAF to be c.rushed to powder

PHOTO 1 : SOUTH AFRICAN AIR FORCE GRIPEN, ONLY COCKPIT FOR ALL FLIGHT CONTROLS, NO SINGE COMPUTER FOR ISTAR

PHOTO 2 : NIGERIAN AIR FORCE ATR-42, COCKIPT FOR ALL FLIGHT CONTROLS

PHOTO 3 : NIGERIAN AIR FORCE ATR-42, BIG CABIN LOADED WITH COMPUTERS, ELECTRONIC CONSOLES, ETC FOR ISTAR

SAAF IS 66 YEARS BEHIND NAF IN ISTAR POWER

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Pictures?

To prove technical equipment is better?

Really?

I guess you must be 12.

NATO had access to Italian ATR-42 Surveyor platforms for Libya... yet they chose the Gripen instead... why?

Henry120:
So you mean they actually now have a firm order for 12 units, wow that's fantastic for a company which hasn't operationally launched it's Fighter jet.

Its operational
http://investor.textron.com/newsroom/news-releases/press-release-details/2014/Textron-AirLand-Scorpion-Participates-in-USNORTHCOMs-VIGILANT-GUARD-Exercise/default.aspx

Henry120:
If 48.9 billion dollars can go missing, how much does the Nation actually earn?

Gripen flying at Mach 2 isn't an ISTAR platform. You still don't know what an true surveillance plane is?

Any asset can carry out surveillance, looking through the window of my car is actually surveillance.

Stop wasting my time.

NATO used it as ISTAR in Libya, to complete 37% of missions... despite NATO having access to multiple dedicated ISTAR platforms.

Gripen is the best, simple

agaugust:
SAAF Gripens CANNOT harm a ZSU-23-4 shilka, it will radar scan and track your slow speed 85km/hr guided bomb PGM and destroy everything with volley of AAA four barrel fire, the SAAF Gripens will waste all your 50 units of snail slow speed Paveway guided bombs until you have nothing left.

Then you will know why NATO is afraid of Shilka AAA. Mumu
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NATO was afraid of the Shilka in the 1970's

How many JDAM's did the Shilka stop in Iraq (twice) or Yugoslavia or Libya?

Clown, CRAM ammunition was invented specifically to engage such bombs... and you think an old Shilka can do it?

Shilka is not a threat to the Gripen, Shilka is not a threat to anything modern except attack helicopters.

Henry120:
Like i've stated previously, that Ahralc, or what ever it is called is going to be a massive failure in the market.

The Scorpion hasn't yet been completed, but orders are already pouring in.

Don't be delusional, probably, your park services can buy 2 units, but that's it.

So Nigeria begging for 12 constitutes "orders pouring in"?

Lel, show us a Paramount product that has failed.

agaugust:
Your photo is NOT a shilka as you claimed, and it is a photo not a video as you claimed.

#Show us video of Boko CAPTURING a Nigerian army Shilka ZSU-23 as you claimed !

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When you post your ATR-42 radar range

Henry120:
I try to argue with you guys, but you've always consistently shown to be a bunch of pea brain size dimwits.


and irresponsible stewardship of its resources. Nigerians are still waiting for the report of the probe into the 48.9 billion dollars NNPC funds. In the meantime, delegates at the Nationa

http://www.premiumtimesng.com/news/164572-rivers-government-explains-world-bank-loan-blasts-pdp.html

So now the $20 Billion has grown to 40?

Not making yourself look any better here

Henry120:
Neither can you provide a single source that claims NAF has started taking deliveries of MI-35M hind E helicopters?

Neither is there a single source that says N.A has received an X amount of CS/VP3 MRAPS from China, but again we have.

Yes, but you can provide pictoral evidence of them in Nigeria

Where are your pictures of BMP-2's, T-80's, Tucanos, SU30's, FH77 B05 L52's, CEASAR guns?

Huh?

agaugust:
Pocket your lame excuses.

Armoured vehicles don't dictate to an enemy the type of RPG the enemy will use against them.

Leave BMP-2 alone, it is a good IFV with modern versions that have extra new armour thicker than the older early versions.

Algerian army BMP-2M is a good example of new BMP-2 with new increased armour.

British super heavy armoured Challenger main battle tank was penetrated by an RPG, simple. Case closed
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No, the Chally was penetrated by its own reactive armor. Caused by a one in a million shot. Fired by the most advanced RPG there is. And all that happened is that the driver lost a toe. Again, you are talking about something you know nothing about.

Meanwhile, when a BMP-2 gets hit by an old RPG-7


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0250U-2XCc



And yes, it is safe to say that not many rebel groups in the world have acess to top-of-the-line Russian RPG's

Henry120:
It doesn't matter. Fact is Nigeria doesn't claim.

- Tucano = Claim
- T-72 = Claim
- Missile Armed OPV = Claim
- T-80 = Claim
- Ceasar SPG = Claim
- FH77 B05 L52 = Claim
- Su30 = Claim

Its in your blood, your government manipulates your feeble minds with tabloid pronunciations about mythical acquisitions.

Henry120:
You bloody 1diot

49.8 billion dollars been money un-remitted in an 8 months period.

Stop deluding yourself.

Mr Sanusi was suspended last month after he told a senate committee that the Nigeria National Petroleum Corporation (NNPC) had failed to account for $20bn of the $67bn of oil sold between January 2012 and July 2013.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-26553388

You try argue with us, yet you dont even know the facts of the situation?

What a joke you are.

Henry120:
So how come you claim 49.8 billion dollars is missing?

$20 Billion

Henry120:
There was consistent prove to validate all of them. Aircrafts coming into Nigeria for evaluation purposes, nothing odd about that.

BMP-2, confirmed
T-72, confirmed
T-84 OPLOT confirmed.

None of the above have been confirmed by any reputable sources.

Its all just rumors and empty dreams... just like the Tucano

mzilakazi:
That's a lie, Nigeria is not richer than SA. it only much bigger GDP meaning they have a much better purchasing power than SA because of their bigger population. Nigeria defence budget has only became better this year now that the country is deeply plunged into insurgency.

Nigeria with a bigger army and a full blown war has only now *sort of* matched SANDF spending.

Think about that for a second.

#LowQuality

Henry120:
NO, they did not. They had the Hawk-eye and related platforms doing recon.

Gripen is responsible for 37% of ISTAR missions in Libya, with further sorties flown as a targeting platform.
http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=17886:swedish-gripens-deliver-37-of-libyan-reconnaissance-reports&catid=35:Aerospace&Itemid=107

Henry120:
Still posting this piece of crap?

I thought you've consistently claimed 49.8 billion dollars went missing in Nigeria over an 8 months period?

So, how does it seem your slow motion brain keeps reverting to this source?

Is it impossible for a country to build up reserves of capital?

Is it impossible for the $20 Billion to be a cumulative total stolen?

Is it impossible for the $20 Billion to missing in transit between company profits and taxes?

Clown.

Henry120:
it is a claim.

Like a stated metaphorically, anyone with a pair or even a single eye can conduct surveillance.

Question is, which is a truly surveillance platform?

Did NATO not deploy it as an ISTAR platform in Libya?

Henry120:
We don't do imaginary in Nigeria.

Sales would be zero. The only successful Paramount product is their Marauder range MRAP.

Nothing else.

In your horrible night-mares, they are one of the most bla bla bla.

Yes you do, here is a list of imaginary

- Tucano's
- SU-30's
- Missile Armed OPV's
- T-72
- T-80
- BMP-2
- FH77 B05 L52
- Ceasar SPG

The Marauder is their only successful product?

And you have forgotten about the Mbombe
http://www.armyrecognition.com/may_2014_global_defense_security_news_uk/jordan_armed_forces_to_sign_a_contract_for_production_of_50_mbombe_armoured_fighting_vehicles_080514.html

Henry120:
Nigeria is richer than South-Africa with a much bigger defence budget. , neither do we need that piece of crap.

Nigeria
revenues: $23.85 billion
expenditures: $31.51 billion (2013 est.)


South Africa
revenues: $88.53 billion
expenditures: $105.5 billion (2013 est.)
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/fields/2056.html

You are not even half as wealthy as we are.

Henry120:
Did you not claim it was an ISTAR platform?

Its not a claim. Its a fact.

agaugust:
Bwhahahaha

Nigerian army has domestically upgraded our Scorpion tanks to 90mm gun, done in Bauchi City factory Nigeria circa year 2012.

You thought Nigeria cannot upgrade heavy calibre guns? LOL, Nigeria is silently more advanced than South Africans ever imagine. LOL !

We even changed the whole engine from diesel to petrol to increase speed, the interior is also changed, Nigerian Scorpion tanks are NOT the old 1994 British scorpion tanks anymore, we have done local home grown massive upgrade. LOL !

Nigeria locally upgrades heavy guns to higher calibre with longer range, you didn't know that, Domingo Block-Head

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Cool, you upgraded an obsolete concept to be a newer obsolete vehical.

Also, citation needed.

Henry120:
I'm telling you it's crap, because it is a piece of crap metal excuse for a plane. Nobody would buy that thing, this is a fact.

The Scorpion out-classes it in every department.


Nigeria eyeing the Textron Scorpion ISR/ light attack jet.

"The Scorpion is an American light attack and Intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance (ISR) jet aircraft.[1] The aircraft is being developed by Textron AirLand, LLC, a joint venture between Textron and AirLand Enterprises, LLC."

It's in the same class as the L-39ZA, Alpha Jet, MB- 339.


Crew: 2
Length: 43 ft 6 in (13.26 m)
Wingspan: 47 ft 4 in (14.43 m)
Height: 14 ft (4.3 m)
Empty weight: 11,800 lb (5,352 kg)
Max takeoff weight: 21,250 lb (9,639 kg)
Fuel capacity: 6,000 lb (2,722 kg)
Powerplant: 2 × Honeywell TFE731 Turbofan, 4,000 lbf (18 kN) thrust each
Performance

Maximum speed: 450 kn (518 mph; 833 km/h)
Ferry range: 2,400 nmi (2,800 mi; 4,400 km)
Service ceiling: 45,000 ft (14,000 m)
Stall speed: less than 95 knots[41]
Armament

Hardpoints: 6 with a capacity of 6,200 lb (2,800 kg),[21] and an internal bay with a 3,000 lb (1,400 kg)[20] of armaments and other stores,
Bombs: precision and non-precision munitions


My take:

I've consistently argued that, although 4 Gen. Multi-role fighters are a fantastic asset to have, the Nigerian Airforce does not currently require a them. 4th Gen fighters cannot provide CAS, they are too fast, expensive to run for the sort of conflict we are currently engaged in, expensive to maintain and are in this sort of conflict a disposable asset.


The scorpion is a 4 Gen. Light attack/ ISR/ trainer aircraft is better suited for our current operational needs.

It has more modern sensors, targeting system an impressive ISR capability, than say the SU-25, although not as protected. The plane can loiter at 15,000 feet, higher than enemy AAA.

At $20 million dollars, it isn't cheap, but it's operational costs are significantly lower than that of other more traditional 4 Gen. Multi-role fighters in the market.



The array of precision guided munitions available to the Scorpion is also quite impressive. It can carry, hell-fire anti-armour missiles, paveway LGB's, SDB 1 and 2, JDAMS, MK 81/MK 82 iron bombs, G-CLAW, Zuni and hydra 70mm rockets.

Comparing the scorpion to the AHRLAC is comparing apples to oranges.


Fourth Gen multi-role fighters are better. Scorpion will be eaten alive in any inter-state conflict.

Its a short sighted band-aid for your inadequate aifroce.

Henry120:
Whose going to buy that crap?

You............ don't be delusional.

Poor countries like Nigeria.

Henry120:
Nigeria spends 7 billion dollars on defence, we recently placed and other for over 40 attack and transport helicopters, additional T-84OPLOT M, T-72 and hundreds of additional Armoured vehicles.

The Scorpion, super-tucano are all COIN based/ LICW jets. The appropriate jets to fly for the sort of conflicts we are currently engaged in.

7 billion dollars is well above your defence budget.

Besides, that Arhlac is a piece of tin-pot crap. No military needs that thing. It would surely be a monumental failure, no one's going to buy that crap.

O look more imaginary figures and more imaginary acquisitions.

AHRLAC is developed by Paramount, one of the most successful arms manufacturers in the the world. Sales will be just fine.

Henry120:
Is it an ISTAR platform? For how long can it loiter?

Looking through my Armoured vehicle or hilux window also means i'm conducting surveillance, anyone can conduct surveillance, but which is a dedicated ELINT compliant surveillance platform?

Where is loitering become a major stipulation?

agaugust:
Quote where I said that.

What I confirmed is that you are NOT educated enough to know that the TA in ISTAR means Target Acquisition NOT Target Designation.

Victim of poor South African education, that is what you are
.

Again you admit the Gripen is better

It can do ISTAR

and

It can do target designation.

So, Gripen is the better platform.

Thank you.