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agaugust:
Poland's Rosomak is NOT = SANDF Badger.

Different name, different manufacturer, different gun, different terrain capability, Rosomak is full amphibious, Badger is dry land only.

Post me a Badger IFV source where RGP was fired on it !

Liar Liar pants on fire, posting Poland's IFV as South Africa's IFV ! You are busted again !!!

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agaugust:
T-55 has 100mm armour, does that imply all round?

Quote where I said BMP-2 has 33mm armour all round it, post it now. Liar !
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agaugust:
You fvcking serial liar !
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agaugust:
Show us the interior ISTAR equipment of SAAF Gripen, this photo below is that of NAF ATR-42 ISTAR, so let us compare...Fool !!
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agaugust:
Nigerian T-72 tank in Boko war...

agaugust:
It says NAF was fighting the same type of dangerous battlefield close air support that Israeli air force fought and got shot down by the same ZSU-23 AAA.

"The ZSU-23 system was particularly effective against the Israeli Air Force. Israeli pilots attempting to fly low in order to avoid SA-6 missiles were often shot down by ZSU-23-4s.

The ZSU-23-4 outclassed all NATO anti-aircraft guns at the time, and it is still regarded as posing a major threat for low-flying fixed-wing aircraft and helicopters. NATO considered the Shilka to be so dangerous that, in time of war, standing orders required NATO pilots to destroy any Shilka observed, even if doing so required the pilot to abandon his mission." Source Wiki.

This fact says to SAAF that Gripens and Hawk jets in @THIZA's photos is NOT real war and attacking sand and stones is a coward pilot's way of avoiding his jet being shot down
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agaugust:
Show us video of Boko Haram capturing a genuine and verifiable Nigerian Shilka, show us now ! Liar !
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agaugust:
RPG penetrated mighty impregnable British Challenger tank. So what? No man made equipment is perfect.

Tell us BMP series have never killed any enemy, only the enemy kills BMP ? Right ?

Drive 50 units of SANDF Ratel IFV into open streets in an insurgency war where terrorists hiding on roof tops among civilians fire RPG from roof tops and windows, I guarantee that ALL and ALL your 50 exposed Ratels will be destroyed by RPG fire, even destroyed by ordinary 14.5mm guns with AP rounds or 23mm ZSU mounted on trucks doing hit and run guerrila street tactics.

Drive any armoured IFV into a disadvantage situation in a killing zone and it will be killed by rag tag rebels.

" Armour

The Ratel is relatively lightly armoured, in order to preserve mobility, weapons space, and range. The vehicle is well-protected against bullets and artillery shell splinters, but is vulnerable to anti-tank guns, automatic cannon such as the Warsaw Pact 23mm AA guns (which were often used in a ground-fire role in Angola), and rocket-propelled grenades. " Source- Wiki

AugustineAgain:
Nope. Su-35 will kill F-15. Sukhoi PAK T-50 will kill F-22 Raptor.

T-90SM will match the best Abrams.

Russian missiles with match American missiles.

The USA is just more flashy, expensive and photogenic, with a big ego and boastful national pride.

Russia is a silent killer anytime
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AugustineAgain:
LOL, the 330km radar range of NAF ATR-42 was found by me first and secondly by @Andrewza last year, nobody argues about it. So you found a different radar range different from what @Andrewza and I have been posting? I dare you to post your own source. Lol.

ISR and ISTAR are linked, and NAF ATR-42 is now superior to all the ones in manufacturers data sheet because we upgraded to ELINT levels and full ISTAR capabilities, and NAF also has Beechcraft 350 ER as extra ISTAR aircraft.

Butt hurt mugu, tell us your own research result for ATR-42 radar range, I will set you up to challenge @Andrewza's 330km range....you wanna mess yourself up? I will help you get into another mess today and you will struggle to get out of it but you won't be able
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AugustineAgain:
USA has aircraft carrier advantage.

Russia has submarine advantage.

They will both destroy each other, balance of power, reason why they avoid each other since 1945
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AugustineAgain:
Nigeria has very big solid minerals deposits, Limestone from Ewekoro is still being mined today by WAPCO-Lafarge cement, it's been on before my father was born. Benue cement, Ashaka cement, Dangote cement, that have their own Limestone mines in other far away parts of Nigeria.

Nigeria also has oil sand Bitumen deposits that is not counted with oil and not controlled by OPEC production quota, our Bitumen in Ilaje Ondo is among the largest in the world and how many solid minerals do you want to count in Nigeria? Government gets royalties everyday and our VAT revenue is huge with the biggest economy in Africa.

Giant in population, Giant in dollars, Giant in GDP, Giant in economic growth rate, Giant in intelligence, Giant in international influence, Giant in arts and science, Giant spiritually and physically....that is Nigeria for you !
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AugustineAgain:
....and your Valour Frigates will leave the ocean and sail on dry land into cities like C.A.R. Bangui so that their Lynx helicopters can use radar there? Fool !

Anyway, how much endurance does Lynx have airbone to compete with ATR-42 ? How many computers and sophisticated electronic consoles does your tiny Lynx have to compete with a huge ATR-42 ?

Your Lynx helicopter is a toy for kids, when compared to our mighty ATR-42 Surveyor.

Go sit down men !

AugustineAgain:
Nope, surface search radar, NAF has been using ATR-42 radar against Boko Haram, or how did you think NAF Alpha jets destroyed 100 Boko Haram vehicles simultaneously in few hours?

SAAF has no such capability so you will never know how it's done, modern day ISTAR war is a big mystery to every South African military man
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AugustineAgain:
Every army's official website is final authority and superior to any private website information.

Each army knows it's own true capability, you can live and feed on wrong data if you wish. Your problem, not mine.

AugustineAgain:
Those are extra fuel tanks for long distance traveling in safe zones, they are not used to store fuel in combat zone, you forgot that Russians are 100 times more intelligent than South Africans, reason why your Pretoria government is begging them to build spy satellite and nuclear reactors for you.

1 Russian brain = 100 South African brains that have BSc degree
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AugustineAgain:
1980-1990s BMP-2 is not same technical specs as 2000s versions, the modern day BMP-2 has modern anti-tank missiles, anti-aircraft missiles, counter measure defenses, laser range finders, day-night vision infra red periscopes with image magnification, smoke canister defenses, 4km range ground combat 30mm cannon, 3km range anti-aircraft 30mm cannon to blew a Rooivalk into pieces....

South African Badger IFV which do not have yet, cannot match a modern BMP-2 IFV, Russia has thousands of them still today 2014, and Nigeria now has them too ! Go hide under your bed man ! NA is gonna roast SANDF, Oplot-M and T-72 tanks all flowing into Naija, and we will test them in battle before we turn them on you for the day of SANDF's liquidation by demolition

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AugustineAgain:
Nope, it was SAAF pilot error, and the next SAAF helicopter crash in Kruger park, your pilot died and 5 air force officers all died.

Next pilot error, two 'well trained' SAAF pilots flew a Rooivalk helicopter into city electricity poles in broad daylight

SAAF is far less competent than Zimbabwean air force that Nigeria trained
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AugustineAgain:
LOL, NAF trains with PAF, NAF fires F-7 jet missiles against the PAF jets, we have special PL-9C training missiles, and we get all the Pakistani air to air jet combat experience they had fighting Indian air force.

SAAF trains alone sharing their almost zero air to air experience among themselves, blind leading blind, and your Gripens have NO training rounds IRIS-T missiles, so you NEVER fired a missile before on your Gripens, LOL, the SAAF Gripens have NO missiles for combat training, you just take off and land again at the airport in Soweto nation, managing the little drops of aviation fuel you have in your nearly empty aircraft fuel tanks.

NAF is more air to air jet fighter combat capable now than SAAF....Proved Fact !

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AugustineAgain:
Newspaper from my local region reveals my state and city, am not going to reveal that on a public internet forum, because some curious Soweto motherfvcker will google list of PMCs in that city and find out the exact name of my company and all the office address plus phone numbers, and then my cover is blown off....personal ID data revealed...and what da fvck...!
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AugustineAgain:
F-7 jets will protect ATR-42.

Nigerian data-links work more than those fakes in South Africa.

How does NAF ATR-42 give our NN Shaldag sea boats the target location of pirates at sea for interception? Answer is Data-Links
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AugustineAgain:
Manufacturer specifications 100% FACT !!

http://www.atraircraft.com/datas/download_center/38/atr_42_surveyor_2004_38.pdf

SAAF is 66 years behind NAF
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agaugust:
You are a confused man, and CANNOT be trusted, you have quoted 3 different ranges for Bofors with standard shell.


You changed from 20km, to 24km, now 27km. So which is which? You don't know anything about Bofors artillery, please shutt up

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mzilakazi:
I quote the same source as agaugust which proves that G6 can fire up to 67 km.




http://www.army-guide.com/eng/product1207.html

agaugust:
The effects will be balanced out. Theoretic Physics the altitude air is lighter because of less oxygen, but with the mountain snow it becomes colder and heavier, but it has a plus and minus effect.....that is now practical, called Applied Physics.

South African education did not tell you the difference between pure physics and applied physics, that is why your country imported Nigerian science teachers to save your backward brains from embarrassment in the international community

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agaugust:
That source you quoted is NOT Indian army official information, it is a private website.

The Indian army video is final authority and army guide website supports it, 42km or 41km if you wish.

CASE CLOSED
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agaugust:
Problem is that SANDF has on 38km range shell.

CASE CLOSED
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agaugust:
Waste of time, I too have posted sources that say air is less dense at altitude, but I also posted the balancing other side that says cold air is heavier and reduces the speed/range of objects travelling through it, golf balls travels slower and lesser distance on cold days when the air is heavier.

My physics is very good and backed up with sources.

Your South African physics is internet copy and paste of theories of physics, you don't know the applied physics for practical effects and I am your teacher here, get it ?

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agaugust:
I know you will say that, and I am just working you up from low altitude cold to high altitude, now chew on this :

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Okay, so all army equipment used by the soldiers at high altitude lands, that is all artillery shells, RPG, missiles, and rifle bullets will travel with extra range increase of 40% ?

So, a surface to surface missile with 30km range, fired at sea level on low altitude grounds, will h.it target at 42km because @Patches new law of Physics has increased it's range at high altitude by extra 40% automatically ?

@Patches, during the fight on the Himalayas mountains, all rifles like AK-47, etc fired while deployed on your high altitude will have it's bullet travel extra range and increase from 400m to about 560m ? Right ?

Now show us a source to prove that, because we cannot see any military source that talks about these magical extra 40% increase in weapons range that will make Nigerian army Grenade launcher range to increase from 2.2km to over 3km !!!! Wow !!!

Please show us a source to prove this because ONLY PATCHES is saying it, prove it now !

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agaugust:
I set a trap for you and you have fallen inside it

Less dense air begins immediately you go up from sea level, at every metre or feet you go up, even at 100 metres air is less dense, so the effect of less dense air should also affect artillery guns on a city just 500m above sea level, it does not only happen at mountain height.

Prove to me that at 500m in many African cities, the less dense air effect does not help increase artillery range

Also prove to me that the definition of high altitude meaning of the Indian army analysis is only 2.6km high mountain, the army captain did NOT mention any particulat height, and the most of Africa off the coast is about 500m to 8km high including ordinary cities and Kilimanjaro mountain ranges.

At high altitude, there is less dense air because there is far less oxygen to breathe, so how do they soldiers survive at that level of high altitude where the air gets less dense, so at the great altitude where the density of air reduces so much, human beings cannot survive for long as the soldiers will have much less oxygen to breathe and they will die.

So how does an army deploy to that great altitude and the soldiers stay there in position to fight without enough oxygen for survival ?


"Altitude and weather systems : As you go higher, the air's pressure decreases from around 1,000 millibars at sea level to 500 millibars at around 18,000 feet.

Effects of lower density on humans :

If you go high enough, either by climbing a mountain or going up in an airplane that does not have a pressurized cabin, you will begin feeling the effects of lower air pressure and density.

As air pressure decreases oxygen continues to account for about 21% of the gasses in the air as it does at sea level. But, there is less oxygen because there is less of all of the air's gasses. For instance, by the time you go to 12,000 feet or 3.6km the air's pressure is about 40% lower than at sea level. This means that with each breath you are getting about 40% less oxygen than at the lower altitude.


http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/weather/wdensity.htm

@Patches, your artillery gunners will die of shortage of oxygen by the time you get to where the altitude air is so less dense that your shell range will increase by extra 40%, that is almost half of the original range is added like magic !

Fool
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agaugust:

Nope, TWO different reliable sources....

1. Indian army

2. America based website, Army guide website

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