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TheDarknight:
Man listen to yourself!!!! Are you making sense even to a fool.

Don't reduce yourself into sounding stupider than you've been sounding since yesterday.

Court says detain a visiting President wanted by Interpol. That's judicial powers in operation.

Your president used the security operative and executive chsnesl to whisk him away. That is interference and meddlesomeness.

I see you've never grown out of your misplaced Hubris and baseless ego.

You're becoming irredeemably lost to common sense and basic comprehension skills.

And how did this discussion start?

You said that the ANC forced the Courts to drop charges against JZ because he was going to be president

Now you are telling us how the RSA Govt was unable to stop the Courts ruling against Bashir

So, you are telling us that the ANC controlls the courts, but also does not control the courts. You have massively contradicted yourself and sunk your own argument.

This was the game all along. I baited the trap and you took it hook line and sinker.

Congratulations on destroying your own argument

TheDarknight:
You're going in circles, poor lad. That's worse than trolling, it's lack of cyber adaptability.

Since when does headline become long and contains "The End" ?

Answer that and say the truth.

When you actually post an allegation that we can see, I will deal with it.

Posting pictures no one can see do not warrant a response.

Lezz, you are truly pathetic

TheDarknight:
That's not separation of powers, olodo lecturer!!!

That's interference. The judiciary found him wantng in law, so He should be in court defending himself, not the Executive using state power to jeopardise the work of the judiciary.


Patrick, when do you ever accept you've been bested?

The Government does not controll the courts
The Courts do not control the Government

Seperation of powers.

TheDarknight:
This isn't any headline, sir.

Please go for brain lesion therapy. This is the news. The facts.

Your demented opinions and rants doesn't do justice to dispel or disprove what your minister has admitted and what "rapid fire" has reported.

Please vote for my sweetheart, Mimzy. Hehehehe

www.nairaland.com/attachments/3660762_2016043010_54_36_jpeg7ca958a779b921e756ea0aebc0e9b72b

Its literally only a headline. Read the article.

Repeating yourself over and over does not help your argument.

Because you have no argument, at this point you are meerly trolling.

TheDarknight:
Please stop insulting me when you couldn't best me in fact submission.

I have given you words from your own defence minister while addressing your own parliament just a month ago.

Now I bring you yet another shocker from "rapid fire "

Please learn to live with your lose and deficits.

Your rants can't change the facts and I'm not responsible for your endless sorrows.

Please enjoy the image with me, sir.
Have a nice weekend.



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Mindlessly quoting headlines without actually reading the content of the article proves nothing to no-one.

The Minister was referring to the Harvard trainers which the SAAF retired in the 1980's and replaced with the Pilatus trainers.

Or do you presume to tell us that various South African museums are now operating Gripen and Hawks??

I cant see your image.

TheDarknight:
Are you are scatterbrained dunderhead, sir?

Your judiciary found him wanting and called for his arrest in cooperation with Interpol and your executive arm of government let him go through their security agencies.

That's not separation of powers, it is one arm interfering in the business of another.

Clearly you love idle banter.

That is literally the definition of separation of powers you dingus

I know that such concepts are difficult for those from poorly developed states to grasp, but you must endeavor to at least try.

Henry240:
Nigerian Navy set to acquire a large logistics ship to boost replenishment at sea.



https://www.today.ng/news/national/112754/navy-acquire-logistics-ship-beef-operations#

I doubt the need for fleet replenishment when you are operating in home waters.

Although something like the Korean Choni Class would make sense - its basically a mother-ship for small fast patrol vessels.

Basically, they sail it out to a patrol area and anchor it. Small patrol vessels then use it as a base - sailing out for patrols and returning and mooring to it so they can rest and eat.

Essentially, a mobile base.

This is good because:
- You can deploy smaller, faster vessels further out to sea
- It saves time, because you can station it inside of patrol areas - meaning you dont have to sail all the way back to port.
- It also means that the patrol vessels dont have to be heavily laden with fuel and supplies, making them faster and allowing them to be better deployed in the tactical sense.

The best thing is that Nigeria could do this cheaply and domestically by buying a large trawler and re-fitting it. Converting the huge areas normally used to store fish into barracks and supply storage areas and converting the large rear-area into a heli-pad. Cuba did something similar with their Rio Damuji class (pic 1)

You could also convert NNS Ambe and NNS Ofiom for this purpose


The Americans had a similar idea for coastal patrol in Veitnam (pic 2)

TheDarknight:
[s]Your source you cited is 2 years old bro. Mine is one month old only.

Of the 26 gripen fighter jets you mentioned , 12 have been mothballed for years and for long put away.

We all know what that means in military hardware like aircrafts!!!

But let's read up the excuses from your own minister of defence, Nosiviwe Mapisa-Nqakula how your planes are missing and who stole them. She made this announcement in parliament just a month ago:[/s]


www.nairaland.com/attachments/3659803_2016043007_04_23_jpeg873f59220fa1aaf02ca15ed261e0db12




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1. No Gripen are in storage - this matter has been resolved ages ago on this forum

2. She was referring to the old Harvard Trainers no to any operational aircraft

You are a complete slowpoke, at least read things before you post them

TheDarknight:
What kind of questions do you put before me?

It's no news your fighter jets are not only shot of trained and qualified pilots, they along with several of your warships are out of commission!

Your gripens as reported in numbers aren't deployable.

You pose this questions to me because I come with a new moniker?

Please go and Vote Mimzy for me .

I will give you a mention when election starts proper!

Which warships are out of commission?

Gripens are kept at a low readyness because we have other priorities and it is cheaper to focus on our Hawk squadrons

Henry240:
You're a Zulu Caveman!


Are you going to invade Namibia with your 5 Gripen pilots?

Considering they only have 8 obsolete F-7 fighters, it wont be a problem

PS: You are forgetting about our Hawk fleet

Henry240:
You have 5 Gripens pilots.

You only have 7 operational aircraft

Henry240:
You only have 5 Gripen Pilots.

Nigeria only has 7 operational aircraft

TheDarknight:
[s][/s]

South Africa has separation of powers and Zuma unilaterally relased a fugitive African President when a judge in south Africa has ordered his arrest with Interpol?

Are you having selective amnesia, Patrick?

Your arms deal has been found to have conflicting reports with assisting countries of UK, Germany, Sweden, Italy et al.

Get your facts rights, son.
This isn't a social commentary, it's facts on table.

1. Yes, that is a demonstration of seperation of powers. Govt did not want to arrest him, but they could not force the courts not to do as the Government wanted

2. No corruption has ever been found in the Arms deal.

TheDarknight:
You mean just like the 700 cases of arms deal corruption against your president disappeared as he was becoming President?

Maybe they dissapeared because they were unfounded and were an attempt by Thabo Mbeki to stop him becoming president?

TheDarknight:
[s]Are you bending under the weight of dyslexia, sir?

If your cognitive abilities are short of horse power kindly ask for assistance.

And if you cannot corelate the arms deal enquiry that has rocked South Africa since 2005 and resurfaced again few days ago, then you have far more worries than the validity of my postulations.

Sire, please remember to Vote Mimzy, that's Nigeria's choice in Nairaland, thanks[/s]

You mean the Arms Deal enquiry that was closed a few days ago with no wrong doing found?

TheDarknight:
Are you having retrograde amnesia, sir?

[s]The arms deal scandal and trial began when Zuma was deputy President and his financial aid was indicted, all 700 hundred suits was prepared and was suddenly dropped when it became certain he would be President, few weeks to elections.

The case headlined CNN some days ago in accusations of corruption and forgery of paper works of the arms deal, et AL.

You're always wasting your time in denail like Zuma, when he comes out of office, he won't be able to hide the truth.


Meanwhile, come and vote for Mimzy[/s]

Independant arms enquiry just finished - no corruption found

Dropping of charges has nothing to do with JZ and his rise to the top spot - South Africa has this thing called seperation of powers, Govt has no power over NPA and Judiciary

Everything we paid for we received

So:

1. We got what we paid for (unlike Nigeria)
2. No one has been dragged before court (unlike Nigeria)

Yet again, you throw stones in a glass house

lionel4power:
VICE NEWS AT IT AGAIN


Heres what it really feels like to fight for ISIS

CLICK HERETO WATCH VIDEO

[url]
http://www.combatheart.com/2016/04/heres-what-it-really-feels-like-to.html[/url]

Saw it earlier today

That one guy constantly fvcking up... and then:

"what is wrong with you abu hajaar!?!?!?"

*the "sorry guys" look abu hajaar gives*


Laughed my fvcking ass off at that moment

Also, after they get their APC smashed and they decide to roll (literally) back to base... omg,

that sh1t was like a parody of combat

Seriously, I cant beleive that ISIS has been causing so many problems... these guys are fvcking ret.ards

TheDarknight:
[s][/s]

You mean the same Zuma who was sacked as deputy President when his financial advisor was found guilty over the deal? Bwhahaha.

Few weeks before election, all 700 cases of corruption over the arms deal were miraculously dropped?

You mean like the illegal renovation money to his mansion has since not been re-enbursed into government account

Everybody knows the truth, amigo!!! South Africa is leading the way in official denial and suppression of evidence just like you bribed to host the world cup.

When Zuma leaves office, I'll be here to laugh at you.












N.b Fellow compatriots, please vote Mimzy for Miss Nairaland 2016
https://www.nairaland.com/mimzy

What does any of this have to do with:

A. The arms deal
B. "Weapons that exist only on paper"

Stop wasting my time

AlphaDex:
[s]Man, you're asking me what CNN has been headlining about your military arms deal scandal?

Damn!!! Don't any light get into your mpumalanga cave?

CNN has been showing the biggest corrupt-laden arms deal scandal in Africa courtesy of South Africa and you want to get smart with me?

I shall avalanche you faster than the Angloductch did your forefathers!!!

Questions 1&3 have been solved by CNN's telling coverage, you put that question to me further, I'll fact-ride your stiff back with scathing expletives!!!

See pics below for question number 2

And don't let my new moniker fool you;

I'm the author of Zulus pain[/s]

you mean the arms deal enquiry which found absolutely no evidence of major corruption?

An arms deal enquiry where we actually got the weapons we asked for (26 Gripen, 24 Hawk, 4 Frigates, 3 Subs, 30 A109's etc)

By contrast your military cheif is has been busted for massive fraud and you didnt get anything other than 3 refurbished Alpha jets, 12 obsolete T-72's and a dozen obsolete Hinds... not to mention a useless radar system

Brah..

africaken254:
it was the final concept jet prototype ,they can't afford to build different concept prototypes like the americans .the engine for the future X-2 is still in development .

Yes, they cant afford to build different prototypes

Thats why they built a technology demonstrator instead.

Final design will be based on what they figure out with this

africaken254:
off topic :Japan's new stealth fighter jet takes flight

 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fx9SxJ-1kvg

Its not their new stealth fighter

Its a technology test-bed. They still havent chosen their final design - these two are the contenders

Remember: The most important equipment in a military is usually the most boring!!

Desert Wolf Mobile feild kicthens being supplied to the SANDF, Namibian DF and Angolan Army

The Namibian Defence Force has taken delivery of an additional six Boma 250 man mobile field kitchens from Desert Wolf. Hennie Kieser, managing director of Desert Wolf, told defenceWeb that a total of more than 48 units is needed in order to complete the project. The six field kitchens were ordered in September last year. An initial batch of six were delivered in early 2015 under a R4 million contract.

Kieser told defenceWeb that Desert Wolf is currently in discussion with Angola over the Boma 250 man field kitchen. The Angolan military has a requirement for around 50 units. “Once the final project costing and contract negotiations have been completed we will start with their systems,” he said.

Desert Wolf and OTT Solutions were recently awarded a contract for the 15 person field cooking unit component of Project Teamster, which aims to replace the South African National Defence Force’s field cooking capability. Desert Wolf and OTT will be delivering 158 of these complete systems during the next 13 months.

According to the trailer, one unit can prepare meals for 250 personel.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=clrYZY9m8Po

Info on the platform
http://www.desert-wolf.com/dw/products/logistical-support/boma250.html

Meaning that Namibia now can feed 13 500 men in the feild
Angola will be able to feed 12 500
And South Africa 39 500

gottfried21:
I legit sat here for a solid 5 minutes trying to figure out what kind of VSAT system these soldiers were operating *Facepalm*


Namibian soldiers charging their cellphones

Dude

You made me laugh so hard i spat my coffee on my screen!

africaken254:
that tanks formation exercise had no relevance in COIN,There is no such frontal attack that will require a formation of tanks and IFV except in tank warfare

canadian did deploy their C2/1A5 Tanks but the post praised in afghan COIN war was the french AMX 10 RC,with its 105mm gun which could knock down compound walls where the taliban were hiding and it being a wheeled vehicle thus and light armour was able to keep up with other APC's,IFV e.t.c

No, the post was praising canadian tanks.

And there is more:

“…A common misconception is that the tank is primarily an anti-armour platform. This is false, especially in the environment in which we currently find ourselves fighting… Equipped with a dozer blade, mine roller and mine plough in each troop of four tanks, the Leopard fleet of vehicles has restored tactical mobility to the combined arms team in Afghanistan through its ability to penetrate grape and marijuana fields, clear mine and IED belts and breach mud walls and compounds that were previously impassable to the LAV III… [which made] it more difficult for the enemy to sight defensive positions, while decreasing the risks to less protected coalition soldiers… The enemy was kept off-balance… and the tanks were able to form a “ring of steel” around the infantry as they conducted deliberate clearance operations in urban areas.

At this point you are arguing simply for the sake of it

africaken254:
how many time have we seen captured tanks in syria and rarely technical pickup's,insurgents are not stupid they will let you TAKE,CLEAR,HOLD,BUILD .then they will isolate you by targeting you patrols,supply line(IED's,ambushes,sniping e.t.c) and then when they know your weak overran your newly established base .after overrunning you,they will have plenty of 120/125mm tank rounds to use as road side bombs

when you get reports of boko haram having attacked a village are you going to rush there ,with your tanks as you said speed is irrelevant in COIN !

What kind of ridiculous argument are you now making? Heavy armor is just one "arrow" in a "quiver of arrows" that is brought into battle.

The will not "isolate" PBs and FOBs if you have CLEARED. And tanks are perfect for securing routs like that because of their capabilities for area denial

They will not "over-run" your PBs FOBs when they are properly protected by heavy armor

If boko-haram attacks a village you deploy your QRF elements - heli-born or light vehicle. Why would you have tanks in your QRF elements

You are acting as though Nigeria has ONLY deployed tanks to the NE

But dont take my word for it:

“The heavily protected direct fire capability of a main battle tank is an invaluable tool in the arsenal of any military. The intensity of recent conflicts in Central Asia and the Middle East has shown western militaries that tanks provide protection that cannot be matched by more lightly armored wheeled vehicles… [Canada’s existing Leopard C2/1A5] tanks have also provided the Canadian Forces (CF) with the capability to travel to locations that would otherwise be inaccessible to wheeled light armoured vehicles, including Taliban defensive positions.”

TL;DR: SYSTEMS BASED WARFARE!!

africaken254:
so you need heavy armour for the Boko haram armed with RPG-7 !,tanks and IFV with tracks in warfare where swiftness is part of tactical advantage .it seems you have never heard of the " toyota war"

Apples and Oranges, you cannot compare the two wars.

Armor is just one element of forces deployed, from the images posted here you can see that the Nigerians have the full spectrum of forces deployed, from ultra-light motorbike mounted men, to men in toyotas to heavy armor.

AMISOM has employed armor to great effect in Somalia and the presence of heavy armor in the ranks of the Syrian pro-govt militia is the only thing keeping those forces from being over-whelmed.

The simple fact of the matter is that part of COIN is the clearing and seizing of land. And for this role speed is irrelevant.

Its only once the question of holding the land comes up that you need to scale your mobiles forces down to lighter and more mobile units. But even then, you will still need heavy armor for area-denial and over-watch in defence of strategic locations - such as check-points, towns, bases etc.

You also fail to take into account how they may be using them. Its not unlikely that they have heavy formations pushing from one direction and light forces deploying as stopper groups behind.

TL;DR: Stop drawing conclusions from 30sec of footage.
STL;SDR: Tanks are allways relevant

africaken254:
they are performing tank maneuvers as if your expecting tank on tank engagements ,i clearly heard the reporter say they are sharpening their skills for the on going operation Lafiya Dole

They are performing tank maneuvers like they are expecting combat.

We have all seen how the Nigerians sweep and clear - same thing we did in Angola: Fighting Columns. Their usually have 2 to 3 tanks, 4 to 5 MRAP's and many attached land-cruisers (instead of IFVs ).

You need to practice maneuvers so that your collums know how to respond to various combat scenarios. One such scenario will definitely be assaulting a fixed enemy position.

africaken254:
i thought i head the reporter say this exercises were perform to improve the troops efficiency before they are deployed to the main theater in the on going operation Lafiya Dole

Yes

And guess what, you need to practice combined arms maneuvers when you are deploying combined-arms formations.

africaken254:
aren't those conventional maneuvers tactics, while the kind of warfare your facing is asymmetrical !

Here we go again.

Conventional maneuvers are applicable in unconventional warfare.

4 Principles of COIN:
- TAKE
- CLEAR
- HOLD
- BUILD

Conventional maneuvers with heavy armor are applicable in: TAKE and CLEAR

Its only "HOLD" which requires more irregular light infantry and less armor and arty because at this stage you are transitioning from a military action to a policing action.

By the time you get to "BUILD" it should entirely be a police operation.

africaken254:
i am not trying to demean anyone but we all know that police in nigeria,kenya,south africa,uganda e.t.c but when have you come across police patrolling with a dog and i am not talking about during a certain state functions or when their is a riot ?

 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VAO7pd7eZo

Dog units are common in SAPS as well as Metro PD's

bidexiii:
Are these really rations/M.R.E.
THEY LOOK MORE OF CHOCOLATE/BEVERAGE CLASS.....

The old SADF (South African Defense Force, i.e. Apartheid era Army) ration pack was extensively developed during the Angola/South West Africa "Bush War" 1966-89.* It came in 2 varieties, 12-hour and 24-hour, and was based on British Army ration packs of the time. Both contained a wide selection of canned goods.

Based on experience in the operational area, the ration pack was modified in the early 1980s. Canned goods are bulky and heavy, and generate a lot of trash. The new ration pack reduced the number of cans to 2 or 3, and the cans themselves were smaller. The bulk of the pack now consisted of ready-to-eat foods or dried foods that could be quickly prepared in the field. There were 5 menus, differing only in the variety of canned main meals and the flavors of the accessory items offered.

A 24-hour ratpack contained:

2 canned main meal items
1 can of vegetables
1 envelope of enriched milkshake powder (3 flavors)
1 envelope or carton of ProNutro instant cereal (3 flavors)
1 envelope of instant soup mix
1 plastic bag of dried fruit (usually raisins)
2 energy bars (3 flavors)
2 small plastic tubes of processed cheese
1 pack of hard biscuits (4 total)
1 roll of vitamin C fortified dextrose tablets
3 envelopes of fortified energy drink mix (5 flavors)
packets of instant coffee
tea bags or packets of instant tea
packets of powdered creamer
small envelopes of sugar
small envelope of salt
small tube of condensed milk (later dropped from ration)
pack of bubble gum
folding can opener (P-38 type, but a little larger)
matches
fuel tablets (either in a plastic "film can" or a blister wrap)
plastic bags
napkins

Main meal cans included: chicken breyani, braised steak, corned beef, steak in onions, curried fish, vienna sausage in brown gravy, ovamboes (sausages in brine), minced beef with noodles, chopped ham, & corned beef hash.

Vegetable cans included: peeled potatoes, garden peas, mixed vegetable salad, potato salad, and beans in tomato sauce.

Cereal flavors included: malt, vanilla & "porridge"

Milkshake flavors included: vanilla, cream caramel, & lime

Powdered beverages included: orange,tangerine, lime, & lemon

Energy bars were: Chocolate Nut, Chocolate Mint, and Rum Raisin

The current SANDF ration pack is almost identical, but the number of menus was increased to 6 (with a vegetarian menu), and then later to 7 (with a Muslim hallal menu).

Since we are talking food - SANDF "rat pack" (feild rations)

Note that each meal has a day-number on it. This is because the meals are designed to help soldiers maintain a healthy and high calorie diet in the feild, so specific meals must be eaten on specific days.

Although, they are not perfect... one of the favorit "war stories" my father likes to tell is how the only casualty his unit suffered while deployed "on the border" was an unlucky troepie who cracked one of his teeth on a particularly hard toffee.