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Henry240:
Helos engage targets while carrying out Strafing runs. This is a basic military tactic.

Why invest billions of dollars investing in missiles that can engage from 5+ km and guns with equipment to engage from 3+ km if they would do strafing runs?

Brah

Henry240:
"On the procurement of befitting helicopters to enable the
full takeoff of the NAAC project, the COAS said the army had
compiled a list of platforms from Russia, America and
Chinese origins which include their stimulator and UAVs. He
however noted that emphasis was made on Russian-made
Mi-17 due to its “ruggedness, operability and multi-role
capability.”
“Different contractors submitted their proposals for supply
which are still being considered."



Nigerian army favours Russian made helicopters.


The T-129 fires a gatling 20mm gun. More power, more kinetic energy, and can hit targets 5km away unlike the less powerful Half-French.



The Nigerian army and the Nigerian air force aren't the same thing you dunce. We are discussing the Nigerian Army Aviation Corps, not the Air Force.

No, up until now Nigeria could only afford Russian helicopters.

Same article says they want the Rooivalk

Uhh... henry lets not make unsubstantiated claims about the gun on the ATAK

iblawi:
Patches Rooilvalk haven't seen combat yet. That is 1 of the things affecting it. The same problem the Z10 have.
Rooilvalk and Z10 are good hardwares but non have been used in real combat yet. (not UN peacekeeping).

Mi28 and Ka52 were used in Syria recently and they are coming from the same country that made Mi24/35 which is the most widely used attack helicopter today. This alone gives many people confidence because hind have proved a lot to those that own them. We both know this can not be said about Rooilvalk and Z10. Although, the story of Z10 would soon change when Pakistan order for them and The Z9 is already in use in some countries like Cameroon, Ghana and others and I believe they are performing well.

Rooivalk has had multiple combat sorties in DRC congo - newsflash: operational use of weapons in a hostile environment is combat.

As for the Hind, while i agree that it is good for its era, most used =/= good.

Hind has been outdated since the AH-1 arrived on the scene

africaken254:
one thing i am confident about russian helicopter gunship is its armouring.they build them like tanks

And the weird thing is I dont know why they do it!

NATO has no real SPAAG platforms (apart from Germany and Poland)... you think it would be the other way around with NATO obsessing with armor (because the eastern block relies so heavily on SPAAG) and Russia building lighter Helo's

africaken254:
this is claimed to be the T-90 which was hit by a TOW ,one can see the Kontakt-5 ERA worked as intended and the other damage was one of the electro-optical/IR "dazzlers" (active infrared jammer)

Interesting thing is that if you watch the video of it getting hit you see the crew abandon it straight away.

Probably due to Pavlovian psychological training - they are so used to T72's blowing up easily that they abandoned it out of instinct and not of an actual need

Frogs in CAR

iyb:
MI-35M,MI-28,KA-52 tested and trusted platforms and we have experience with russian platforms forget south africa buy russia for a safe and secure society

Mi-28 and KA-52 have seen about as much combat as the Rooivalk.

Infact, in its entire history we know that the Mi-28 has done limited sorties over Palmyra in Syria and limited sorties in Iraq

KA-52 is only known to have engaged in combat twice - once over Palmyra and once in Dagestan (twice, as in two missions not as in two operations)

Rooivalk is designed for Africans by Africans and is perfectly honed for African conditions, especially "hot and high" operations like in the Nigerian N.E

Henry240:
Actually it is the South-Africans who tendered a proposal. The army only witnessed a demonstration but the service favours Russian built helos.


ATAK has 3 barrels.

Actually, Nigeria has now announced its interest in the Rooivalk

Only one barrel fires at a time - and it fires the same round

Anyway, the most common sense approach would be to get all of your Mi-35s upgraded by Paramount and so prioritize that over buying new helos

Henry240:
No, the Rooivalk does not. The MI-35 is the world's most heavily armed attack helicopter without a doubt.


All helicopters in combat carry out strafing runs, this is a basic military tactic. Virtually no helicopter except poorly trained South-African pilots engage elements while hovering.

From French engagements in Mali, Russians in Syria, Nigerians in Nigeria, Turks in Turkey and Americans in Afghanistan engagements have been carried out using strafing runs.

Citations have been posted over and over.

No, the Hind and Ka52 are unqiue. Most helos will engage from stand-off distance or use cover.

africaken254:
Algeria air force MI-28 undergoing test in russia

busy looking for the youtube video where the russians fire 12,5 and (i thinnk) 20mm into the pilots window at point blank...

[spoiler altert: nothing happens ]

Henry240:
It does have. The MI-35M is the world's most heavily armed attack helicopter.


Nobody hovers in a combat situation. Helicopters usually carry out strafing runs to avoid laser lock-ons or been shot down by enemy AA.

Rooivalk has a superior payload and with the intergration of new 76mm guided rockets is better armed

No, that is what the hind does in combat, because it cannot hover [in combat] and thus cannot use tree lines, buildings and hills for cover

Henry240:
The ATAK is light years more modern, a proven platform and carried a tripple barrel 20 mm.


The army only witnessed a demonstration. The Army's pivot is clearly towards Russian helos.

Rooivalk is just as capable.

ATAK still only fires a 20mm round

Army witnessed a demonstration and has expressed interest

Henry240:
Ok..... This is cool




"The fire control system automatically shares all target
information in real time, allowing one helicopter to engage a
target spotted by another aircraft, and the system can also
input target information from ground-based forward scouts
with personnel-carried target designation gear".

Rooivalk has similar capabilities... i am pretty sure that networked warfare is basically the industry standard these days.

Henry240:
Agreed!!


This is a very beautiful and potent attack helicopter. However why is it so highly rated, what does it do differently from the MI-28N, MI-35M, Apache, Viper AH1 super cobra, and the Tiger?

Better armor is all (basically in its own league in terms of armor) and a slightly better payload than most.

Its not *that* highly rated

africaken254:
off topic :Saudi "Paratrooper" Jump Refusal

 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wM0fvEVks7E

Generally paras will get screened long before this happens

Also: THAT SLAP!!

Adminisher:
I only wish Z10 on my enemies. That platform is unproven and I am sure most army pilots would not recommend it. It looks childishly deadly in pictures but please don't buy it.

And it costs as much as a Rooivalk even after its massive production run.

Henry240:
I love the MI-35M more because it would allow the army more gun stations. It is the world's most heavily armed attack helicopter, with the possibility of two gunners armed with 7.62mm machine guns for day and night attacks, it's a beautiful machine.


The only advantage the MI-28N has over the MI-35M is agiility. When taking into account Nigeria's requirements, i'll go for the MI-35M.

Rooivalk has a greater payload than th MI-35M and unlike the MI-35 it can hover in combat situations, and is generally more maneuverable

Dedicated attack helicopters will allways trump the MI-35

Henry240:
One 20mm main gun and poor old grandpa computers.

Same gun as the ATAK - and 20mm is just fine, superior in some regards to the 30mm

Computers are good enough for what is needed

Henry240:
Cool story, however the fact is the Rooivalk is useless.

It gun is weak and it can't hit it's advertised target range.


First things first, you know how things run in South-Africa. Rooivalk 2.0 won't be available for another 10 years.


The probable solution for the Nigerian army would be a Paramount group upgraded MI-24/35. As an African company, Paramount group understands the tropical conditions of the African climate. However if Nigeria were to go with Paramount for upgraded MI-24/25, the main gun would have to change to a more powerful gun.



Nigerian Army has the options of the MI-35M and MI-28N, both platforms more capable and battle proven than the Rooivalk. Infact the MI-35 proved it's mettle in Syria.


The Z-10 attack helicopter is also another capable asset. Very Modern, and very well armed.


Most likely options for Nigeria would be the MI-17 terminator and MI-35M or MI-28N. 6 units each.

Interesting.

The Gun is weak?

The ATAK uses the same gun, and when you thought you were getting that helo all you could do was praise it!

Who says it cant hit advertised range? Clearly it was impressive enough for your military to add it to their "wish list"

Nigeria eyes the Rooivalk

http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=43028:new-nigerian-army-aviation-corps-seeks-helicopters-uavs&catid=124:military-helicopters&Itemid=282

lionel4power:
I dont think anybidy will be buying the half-french... not with that $40 million/piece price tag.


we all know Nigeria's platform acquisition pattern, if its too costly leave it or just buy 2 and keep the money.

I have a feeling more mi-17s are coming our way or even more mi-35 and since we are now close pals with the u.s.a. then we might actually see AH-1s before xmas.

but the rooivalk is a dream.. nobody is buying those even south africanas

AH-1s ahahahah you have lost your damn mind!

Rooivalk costs are inflated because of the limited production run. Simple as that.

And fyi, the Rooivalk has come very close to being sold in the past - if it werent for the French Arms Embargo with Turkey or the Asian financial crises it would have been sold allready

Henry240:
We aren't buying their poorly armed Helicopter

How is it poorly armed?

bidexiii:
Wow ....... take it easy now bro, the roovialk attack helo it's not pretty bad and besides not only south Africans are submitting bids for the contract ; China, Russia and American companies are also involved. So no need for BOLDING WHERE (SA) APPEARS.....
Besides buying A ROOVIALK FOR A STAGGERING PRICE OF $40million is seemingly madness to me . When I can get a kamov-50 for a whoopering price of $16million per unit, which the Russian beast outclass the roviak in all ways.
Dude take it easy, for now all finger are crossed....

Henry240:
We aren't buying their poorly armed Helicopter. At $40 million a piece, nobody would buy it. $40 million is even 2002 price, the Helicopter is probably $50 million at the moment.
Their are many Russian beasts we can go for, the MI-28 and MI-17 terminator would be a decent combination.

Jesus

Do you boys need a crash course in FIN MAN 101?

$40 includes R& as well as a production run of only 12

Hence why the Rooivalk 2.0 is slated at being viable with a minimum order of 40-70

Same thing with the F35, its crazy expensive now... but when the production run ends it will be the cheapest American jet fighter ever made.

Henry240:
Photo of NESTOIL 31 meters patrol vessel i took in the creeks while on work trip.

Vosine is a crew boat.

There are global vessel registries you can check

africaken254:
off topic :so we are supposed to believe the russians they are leaving syria ,the Ka-52 combat helicopter was delivered just recently

Its a draw-down not a withdrawal

Syria has been, excluding geo-pol, nothing but a testing ground for the Russian military

iblawi:
NIMASA confirms taking over 20 vessels from tompolo.


Tompolo, through Global West in 2012 received at least six decommissioned Norwegian battleships. Among them were six fast-speed Hauk-class guided missile boats, now re-armed with new weapons.The most recent hardware was the KNM Horten, a fast-attack craft allegedly used for anti-piracy patrol in the Nigerian waters.Read more at http://www.dailytrust.com.ng/news/general/nimasa-takes-over-20-vessels-from-tompolo-s-firm/138104.html#EVB2MYfZOGzVE1rG.99

KNM Horten is a supply vessle

Your second pic is of Skjold class Strike Craft, not the Hauk-Class

lionel4power:
With the webbings? huge back-pack? water bottle etc..? what you are seeing here is the new army, we're more focused on mobility and maneuvering not digging trenches and staying put. . now we have a better logistic system so no need for individual soldier to be heavily ladened with equipment that should be carried by support elements.

summary

we are a more mobile force now than before

I was talking from a purley aesthetic standpoint

Matching cammo
"Pot" helmets with ghille covers
FN-FAL

africaken254:
from the YUGOIMPORT website here is the link http://www.yugoimport.com/en/proizvodi/155-mm-he-erfb-rabb-very-long-range-artillery-projectile-vlap-rocket-assistancebase-bleed





Screen Grap Kenya defence force documentary showing two 155 mm HE ERFB RA/BB very long range artillery projectile (VLAP-Rocket Assistance/Base Bleed) on a B-52 Nora auto loader.look below the KDF emblem on the photo

Good job!

africaken254:
so what about a south african trying also to brag about spec to sell some G-6 !

Thats why i wouldnt post stats from wiki. They are unreliable.

Also, the G6 doesn't need my help to get sold

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rugged7:
RUBBISH!

The south africans ain't no girl scouts

You guys should lay off agaugust

ALL the south africans always gang up against agaugust and any nigerian with a superior argument.

They are never impartial arbiters

As an impartial observer, i have watched as the south africans here have started nonsensical arguments and consistent LIES abusing and denigrating Nigeria and agaugust just to appear superior

Well, newsflash, they aren't

If agaugust tells them the truth occasionally and it deflates their ego, well good riddance to bad rubbish

Just because some of us keep quiet doesn't mean we aren't seeing what is going on here

You are aware that it is Nigerians who are telling augustine to stop?

africaken254:
rate of fire - 6-12 projectiles per minute depending on version. First 3 rounds fire in 20 seconds. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nora_B-52

I try to avoid using Wiki

Nothing stoping some over zealous Serb from beefing up the stats for his national pride

agaugust:
The continent's current best SPG is Kenya's new B-52 NORA, year 2007 technology systems.

52 calibre gun. 41 km BB shell firing range. Road travel speed 100 km/h. Road travel range 1,000 km. Sustained Rate of fire 12 rpm.

Where did you get your information from?

Max rate of fire: 6rpm
Range: 600km
max speed: 80-100kmph
http://www.military-today.com/artillery/nora_b52.htm

G6 remains top dog