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Henry240:
Yes, M23 and ADL are no different from thieves. This is a fact!

Henry "because I say so" 120 strikes again

DonBobes:


Dis guy u no go kill me one day o. Alpha & frogfoot (su24) r helos to u SAs?
Abah i thot u shuld b more enlightened dan dis. If u had sed they r light attack jets i wuld hv reasoned wit u a bit. Bt dis, i drop my mic for u. Mehn u r so backward patches, so so backward!

1. Speak english, peasant

2. Follow the conversation. I am obviously not refering to the Alpha jet or Frogfoot.

africaken254:
because you seems to say you south africa military are the most powerful military in africa,outside Lesotho where else have you ever displayed your military superiority. don't include UN missions in your reply

Lol - I can ask that exact same question for the North African states!

To answer your question: Pic related

Finally watched the video of KDF being over-run in Somalia.

It was hard to watch. Should never have happened!!!

iblawi:
All those countries are currently experiencing terrorist attacks and their militaries are upgrading equipments and making sure they standardize their military. In order to effectively repel the threat.

Many nations are learning from the mistakes of Nigeria.

This guy...

africaken254:
considering the state of sub-sahara african militaries ,should you guys be even arguing

I could write a freaking essay about how ridiculous this statement is.

But this is neither the place nor the time.

Henry240:
This argument is now settled!!


I know a "certain" people from a "certain" country who won't like this.


It is now obvious to all, not a whole lot can be achieved with 5 Gripen pilots.

Lol - coming from the guy who said that the GF ranking was "irrelevant"

Anyway, 5 gripen is more uselfull than 7 operational platforms (total)

iblawi:
I've only posted a pics carrying information on African militaries. It's left for you to derail this thread if you like.

I think the information is vital for reference purposes.

Considering how heavily you and your compatriots argued AGAINST the Global Firepower rankings when it had RSA above Nigeria

I think it is duplicitous to now go and post it when it swings into your favor.

bidexiii:
What's wrong with the post.....

He his not GFP

And what he posted is military related and not only that only African countries. Am sure you av posted such article or something of these nature on these thread.

Provocational content is generally frowned upon.

Its an invitation for an argument and furthermore does not really fall within the confines of the thread.

iblawi:
2016 globalfire ranking South Africa drops to 5th place in Africa.
http://www.globalfirepower.com/countries-listing-africa.asp

You really want to de-rail this thread?

iblawi:
You have proved nothing.

Their are only 11 Rooivalk helicopters in the entire world and you have only 3 in Congo that hardly fly. When they fly they are used against rebels that are looking for UN food.

Rebel groups stealing UN food are in no way different from thieves. Pure waste of resources. SADF using hammer to kill ants.

So over 1000 hours flown (40 per month) counts as hardly flying?

M23 and ADL are no different from theives?

You are a fvcking idiot.

Vikkie14:
Just like comparing Alpha Jet to SU-24 because they are both in the category of "Bomber" right??
"Beauty" and "Brain" are entirely two different things though they both starts with the letter "B"-- you can't compare them.

Both are dedicated attack helicopters

chkil:
with all respect to Rooivalk weach is a good helicopter but we can't compare with russian industry and experience, its nice that UN use some rooivalk in RDC (40 hours per month) ! but rooivalk just start when russian society design helicopter and aircraft from the beginning of aernotic and invented most concepts used now and operate all aroud the world and many wars and conflict , still a long road for south africa to catch geants like russia and usa .

The thing is that the Mi28 offers no significant and noticeable advantage over the Rooivalk.

Both have their pro's and con's but they are directly comparable.

iblawi:
[s]We all know South Africans for falsifying figures.

Making noise as if their is another attack helicopter within the region. Would they have preferred the puma or A109 helicopters. Tell us the state of the helicopters owned by other militaries within that region. Was any 1 bought recently? How well do they maintain their helicopters.

For your information, we are comparing MI28 ka50, MI35M. Tell us if any of those is in Congo where UN preferred the rooivalk to other helicopters.

A one eyed man is always the King in the midst of blind men. That is what the rooivalk is in congo[/s]

Lol, if you are losing an argument, dont forget to shout "all your evidence is propaganda!"

Also, no, we are not talking about other helicopters in the region.

You said:

A. Rooivalks hardly fly
B. They have not seen combat

I have proven both to be false.

Meanwhile, the Mi28 crashed and killed its crew only days after its first combat mission.


This discussion is over.

iblawi:
Some people think attack helicopter is meant for repelling rebel groups carrying light arms. ROOIVALK has never seen battle and they hardly even fly so what do you expect.

Rooivalk in DRC

- averaging 40 hours per month in DRC (total of 1 163.3 hours flown in DRC alone)
- 25 hours of combat (over 12 combat sorties)
- 200 rockets fired
- 600 cannon rounds fired
- UNs recon asset of choice (day or night)
http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=42261

So despite what you have claimed: Rooivalk flies plenty, and it has seen plenty combat.

Pic related, m23 heavy machine guns

chkil:
Russia sell this baby also , nigeria can by the mi 28NE, no ?

You mean the helicopter that is so good, it crashed 2 days after its first operational combat deployment?

It also managed to kill 2 pilots in doing so...

Henry240:
The same Helicopters your airr force can't even Afford. Cool story bro!!

Lol

Desperation

africaken254:
sudan armed forces China made type-81 MLRS in the ongoing fighting in the Nuba Mountains.

The Nuba will be thrilled to get their hands on it!

Lol,

South Sudan Armed forces: the Nuba peoples #1 arms supplier

africaken254:
cost comparison,that why those fighting in syria either assad or free syria,jihadist even if they have tanks still find them with technical pickups mounted with anti-aircraft guns

Its only the militia or poorly equipped regeim militia that use them, with a handfull of exceptions (Desert Hawks Brigade)

africaken254:
when alshabaab is using 23mm anti aircraft guns while you can only respond with only 12.7mm .the biggest caliber you have in your company,you have a problem

Since AS doesnt use armor, I would disagree.

Also, 23mm isnt worth sh1t in comparison to 125mm or 105mm or 90mm

africaken254:
thats exactly what kenya army needs to start doing,mounting anti aircraft guns on trucks and pick ups

Why would they want to do that?

There were 277 Mine/IED detonations in contested regions last year which injured or killed 433 AU and UN personnel.
http://www.mineaction.org/programmes/somalia

rugged7:
Hmmm,

I already see a south african slowpoke talking about "mismatch uniforms"

And it's the USUAL suspect

The kid obviously ceases to grasp the fact that there are cameroonian regulars; Cameroonian BIR, as well as Nigerian troops (MNJTF components)involved in this operation.

Instead of this kid to be happy that 2 african nations are collaborating to weed out and destroy boko haram; the jealous modafuqqer is only concerned about "mismatched" uniforms and equipment.

This is why i have zero respect for people like these in this forum.

Hatred continues to blind them but they keep getting penile levitations anytime they hear the word "Nigeria".

A little advice, "don't drink panadol for another man's headache"

This level of hatred and angst is not healthy and will take you NOWHERE

I will use this opportunity to remind these "children of hatred" once more:

Anytime YOU get a brain fart and deem it necessary to respond to anything i post- DON'T...

Lol

rugged7:
DEFENCE HEADQUARTERS-NIGERIA

NIGERIAN, CAMEROON TROOPS ORGANIZE JOINT CLEARANCE OPERATIONS
Troops of 152 and 155 Task Force Battalions at Operation LAFIYA DOLE in conjunction with troops of Multinational Joint Task Force (MNJTF) from Cameroon, conducted a massive joint clearance operation of suspected Boko Haram terrorists yesterday Monday, 11th April 2016 along Nigeria-Cameroon borders. The unprecedented clearance operation swept through over 10 suspected Boko Haram terrorists hideouts along the border in which they killed 22 terrorists, arrested 3 Ameers (commanders) and rescued abducted persons.
During the operation the troops cleared Nbaga, Bula, Dabube, Ybiri, Greya and Suduwa towns and other adjoining settlements. The towns and settlements were occupied by suspected fleeing Boko Haram terrorists who escaped from villages previously cleared by troops of the Nigerian Army. The apprehended terrorists commanders include Lawal Abba, Mallam Hisna and Mallam Gana in Shatte, Bulla Jaja and Bula Burra towns.
The troops also rescued 1,275 persons held hostage by the terrorists. The rescued persons are being administered and screened by 152 Taskforce Battalion pending onward movement to Internally Displaced Persons (IDPs) camp. It is gratifying to note that the operation was a huge success as there was no casualty or injury on the troops.
Kindly disseminate this information and photographs to the public through your medium.
Thank you for your usual and kind cooperation.
Colonel Sani Kukasheka Usman
Acting Director Army Public Relations

All that miss-matched equipment and uniforms

Henry240:
How would Nigeria order a helicopter which doesn't exist?

The Rooivalk doesnt exist?

Henry240:
1. It is favoured because they are Rugged. Common sense tells me that if you read the article it clearly states why they are favoured.


2. We are not, our mind is set on Russian, Chinese or American.


3. Proven in combat, a little research would furnish you with the info which is widely available.

1. Because they are cheap

2. Not what the articles says

3. I have done my research:

The AH-64A Apache was
the most potent of this generation. Tactics involved
primarily ‘nap of the earth’ very low altitude flight
to stay out of the envelope of the ZSU-23/4P, ZU-57
SPAAGs, the 9K33 / SA-8 Gecko and Strela 10 / SA-
13 Gecko SAM systems, and ‘pop-up’ engagement
manoeuvres from behind concealment to shoot
against advancing armoured formations. The
helicopter would hover behind terrain, rising to
acquire the target with a thermal imaging sight,
fire its missiles, and once the engagement was
complete, drop back behind cover and move
to another firing location to avoid indirect fire
weapons like howitzers and heavy mortars.

Argument over

Hind is trash confirmed

Henry240:
1. A helos primary weapon is it's chin mounted 30mm. This is it's primary weapon of engagement.


2. That Helicopter and the Rooivalk should not be. mentioned in the same sentence. The T-129 is light years ahead of the half-french in capabilities and performance. A Gatlin gun is more powerful than a single barrel gun and the T-129 can engage targets in excess of 5km.


3. All helos conduct strafing runs In combat. All Helos, except those piloted by poorly trained South-Africans. All Helicopters fire and break as a common military maneuver.


They break, that's how the avoid radar lock-on. They don't hover and fire you fool.

1. Citation needed

2. How is a gatling gun more powerfull? It fires one round at a time just like the rooivalk

3. Again, you make a statement without substantiation.

Why would they "break" when they could engage from ranges beyond most MANPADS? Why fly into danger when you can engage from outside of it?

You have provided nothing new to the discussion other than pointlessly repeating yourself.

africaken254:
angola air force L-39's and MIG-23 jets

I am more impressed by the hanger

aaand here we go again... just as we were about to make a forum record of 1 month without internal conflict

Henry240:
The Helicopter's primary weapon is it's main gun, which is usually a chin mounted 30mm or dual 25mm not a single less powerful 20 mm.


Missiles are a secondary armament, strafing runs are a basic military tactic. As the enemy could also possess AAs.


It's the exact same reason why soldiers shoot and duck or fire from concealed positions.

1. A helos primary weapon is not its chin mounted gun, are you insane?

2. You sung the praises of the ATAK when Nigeria was linked to it, and it only has a 20mm. The fact that it is a minigun is irrelevant - it fires one round at a time, just like the Rooivalk

3. Helos dont do strafing runs specifically because the enemy could posses AA. You engage from stand-off distance

Yes, much like soldiers shoot and duck or fire from cover, attack helicopters do the exact same thing, using the lay of the land for concealment

You just agreed with me dude!

Henry240:
Russian Helos are favoured because the are rugged and are basically built like tanks. This is the exact same reason why the Nigerian Army, like the Air Force also favours Russian helos.


The article say they watched are demonstration but the Army also clearly states it clearly fancies Russian Helos such as the MI-17.


Read boy...... It isn't illegal yet.


"Unsubstantiated?"..... Are you high?

1. Nigeria favours them because they are cheap

2. You are considering the Rooivalk

3. Yes, unsubstantiated, you are making claims and not backing them up

africaken254:
in the coming days you will hear @tinfoil bi#$%

another attack happen?

africaken254:
it did set off alarm bells in NATO,who for a long time having seen destroyed T-72's in countless wars,started undermining russia armour

Not really, they are using 71B (Turkish supported groups) and 71C (Saudi supported groups) and 71A (US supported groups). 71E & 71F are the variants brought out to deal with modern Russian armor.

PS: You can tell if the group using the TOW is funded by the US/Turkey if they film the missile serial-number before firing. Pentagon/CIA/Turks want them to document the missile + launch so that they can be sure that the rebels are not selling TOWS to other un-supported groups. If you see a video of a missile firing without the filming of the box+missile then it is probably Saudi supplied.