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africaken254:
thats enough butt whopping for today

UPDAF gulu airbase

So now the seeker is Chinese?

Explain yourself

Some epic pics from the recent student unrest

africaken254:
Denel Dynamics is in partnership to develop an armed version of the Seeker 400 UAV, what happened that they opted for a Chinese UCAV !!

What are you talking about?

Jayceon:
SA at its finest....Ain't Nuthin like it,even people in these 5th world countries know that there aint nuthin like the mighty Rainbow Nation

Calm down bro.

We try keep the nationalism to the minimum round these parts.

This thread is less stable than the Korean DMZ. One wrong move and it's full blown nuclear war in here.

africaken254:
continue believing your western macho shenanigan

This guy.

Pretending that the US is not a major supporter of his regeim

Kagame pls stop.

africaken254:
it is hopeless trying to enlighten you,continue with your infatuations

Paul!!

Stop arguing with people on the internet! You have a country to run!

africaken254:
"Land size doesn't translate to military power" tell that to the saudi!china contribution to peace keeping in south sudan,really and clearly shows they have interests in south sudan. SA just looking extra cash for its troops in DRC. Don't call yourself a giant while you can only deal with a police case in lesotho,uganda are hunting kony in CAR,Being in somalia from year 2007 and was just recently involved in south sudan.

Now he is talking about Uganda? This guy is raging so hard he can't even stay on topic?

I know only one person who would get this angry at me for criticising Paul Kagame... And that is Paul Kagame.

Africaken254 is Paul Kagame. Confirmed.

africaken254:
which giant that can only achieve a 0.1 % growth , where is M23 Today !,you can't even deal with ragtag mai mai and Allied Democratic Forces (ADF) with machetes(while you claim your in DRC,for your own interest).how many candidate vying for seats in SA have being assassinated this year !
a small country can invade a big country like DRC(for its own interest) ,while SA can't deal with ragtag rebels in CAR !!??

Stop with your nonsense you senseless shill.

africaken254:
nonsense,your just threaten by his progress.he has done more for africa than SA.When you were fleeing CAR ,his troop were moving to stop a genocide. rwanda economy for more than a decade has being growing by more than 6%.kigali is the most safest city in africa compared to the mass anarchy that we continue witness in south Africa.

If by "done more for Africa than SA" you mean "destabilize the entirety of the Eastern DRC and assasinate opposition across Africa" then yes, you are correct.

Mass anarchy? Buddy, thats not within the ambit of this conversation.

As for "threatened by his progress". If a short man who grows quickly does not threaten a giant.

Henry240:
That's the thing from Kosovo, all those numbers are disputed. However i was specifically referring to the 78 days offensive. The results from that air campaign was abysmal. It calls into question how the US fights, against a worthy opponent, the concept of air superiority falls flat on it's face.


The Americans can build a long term modern armies, but can those armies fight. I agree that the JSDF did not exist after WWII, however Pre-World War II Japan was a world power, so the potential was always there. Can the South-Koreans fight? They have 30kl americans as insurance. The Iraqis sure can't, Philippines.. NO. I think because they cannot apply the concept of air superiority which is the focal point of American combat, i fail to see how those nations would be successful. The Colombians have always being good fighters. It is hard to Judge Kenya, the Mall fiasco was quite embarrassing.

In my Opinion, the West does not provide the sort of training that guarantees security in Africa.





Nigerian navy NNS Unity in Sri-Lanka

Well, the Air campaign did allow the Americans to meet their ground objectives in the region. And it would be silly to question their air effectiveness when you look at what they did in Iraq.

The American force in Korea is a "trip-wire" formation, its there so that in the event of Northern aggression the Americans can go to war immediately, circumventing congressional approval and other diplomatic formalities. A short-cut if you will. As for the Koreans, yes then can very definitely fight - if you are interested you should look up their exploits in Vietnam, they were probably the most effective forces in the region, probably on par with the Aussies.

Phillipeans is a sh1tshow of a country, I have been there, its more of a reflection of their own incompetance rather than that of the Americans. As for the Columbians, they have been fighting FARC for 50 years, they only turned the tide once uncle sam weighed in with training and support.

Kenyans, well the Mall was a disaster, but I think such situations would be a disaster for anyone. Even if such an attack happened in America, you would see a simular death toll. On the other hand, look at their effectiveness in Somalia, some minor set-backs but between them and the Ugandans the tide of the war has definitly turned.

africaken254:
KAGAME !!?? he is a million time better than your zuma. i can see your out of touch,with current events in Africa .

1. He is a pseudo-dictator
2. He is funding genocidal militants who are destabilising the DRC
3. He has sent his goons across Africa and the world to assasinate and intimidate opponents.
4. His regime is extremely authoritarian, has a long record of detentions, abuses etc of citizens.

Zuma is allot of things, I am counting down the days until his term ends, but in the end of the day he has a strong human rights record (mainly because he is too incompetent to do otherwise) and is not destabilizing the region.

africaken254:
when has AU responded to anything ! AU is simply useless

For some reason Sudan's leader is respecteded by the AU (and Zuma)

I fvcking hate that asshole. Removing him, Mugabe, kagame and Mbasogo would make Africa a much better place.

africaken254:
off topic

Ouch

Interesting that the ship burned completely.... That's rare in naval designs

Henry240:
OFF-TOPIC



"The joys of being a superpower", but can they fight like that against a credible enemy with a credible air defence and electronic warfare capability?

I don't think the US "know how to fight", yes, the world brush poor little countries and make multiple H.D. However when pitted against a somewhat credible foe, balances rapidly change. I mean, take Serbia as an example 78 days of non-stop US/NATO airstrikes, 1000+ aircraft and 38,000+ air sorties and all that to achieve what?

10 or so Serbian aircraft destroyed (most on the ground), 20+ APC and tanks destroyed and 1000+ Serbian soldiers dead or wounded. That is out of a force of 130’000+ Serbian soldiers, 80+ aircraft, 1,400 artillery pieces, 1’270 tanks and 825 APCs (all figures according to Wikipedia). The 3rd Serbian Army Corps basically came out unharmed from this massive bombing campaign which will go down in history as arguably the worst defeat of airpower in history!


When you transfer that sort of training to Africa, you'll see why African troops trained solely by the US never does well in battle.


I also noticed with the MATV, they sell a lot of units, those vehicles are expensive and battle after battle those vehicles always seem to perform badly. Look at Saudi MATVs in Yemen.

That's because it was a largely strategic and not tactical iperation, they still got:
121 aircraft
93-120 tanks
150-220 APCs
339 other vehicles
389-450 field guns

As for American training, they have proven that their long term "Army Building" operations work while they maintain oversight (S. Korea, ARVN, JDF etc) problem is that they dont accoubt for the fact that small nations cannot operate formations like the US do.

As for small unit training, they have been extremely successful in Colombia and Kenya.

Other nations are better, IMO the British and French are better because of their long colonial experience, but the Americans can work.

Another consideration is that the only unit that is "trained to train" are their Green Berets and Delta.

For US training to work you need to set up extremely long term training operations

chinese8107:
type-81 rifle 7.62x39
it's longer more accurate than AK-47
simply and rubust.tested in sino-vietnamese war, sri-lanka civil war.still can see in southeast asia ,

More sks than AK

chinese8107:
India rifle

Brought to you by the people who make the worst service rifle in the world: the INSAS

Henry240:
You must be high on your own ignorance. "What beat-down?". Dude wake-up!


A dissenting opinion is exactly what it is, an opinion. I laid my opinion, and so did you. I wonder how my opinion is now threatening to you.


post on topic.

Read what you posted. Its not your opinion, its your language.

To quote you "Please make your comments in a civil manner. We are all adults for christ-sakes. You don't have to insult anybody"

You, who just two days ago chastised another forum member for their use of language, now go and do the same thing. Hypocrite.

I am posting on topic. Its you who needs to obey your own rules. You are clearly emotional, why not take a break?

Henry240:
The last time Aradu actively sailed was in 2011. There are photos of the Aradu sailing in 2011 right here in this very thread. Look at the first 2 pages of this very thread. It has since then been docked. That's 5years ago, is that a decade to you?


Your ignorance, would have been so hilarious, if it wasn't this plain pitiable.



A significant invest in the Aradu would put her in a condition which is as good as new. For a battleship as good as the Aradu, a vessel that still has 30 years of life in her, i see no reason why an investment in the Aradu won't be a perfect idea.


Dude stop displaying gross ignorance. The comments we have made on the Aradu have been purely speculative. Nigerian defence procurements have always been on a need basis. Over the past 3years, the Nigerian navy has procured 5 Offshore Patrol Vessels, 13 Midshore Patrol Vessels, hundreds of Inshore Patrol Crafts and 4 Bell helicopters. This is a procurement that is based on a requirement.



If money is to be spent on the Aradu, it won't be based on any National pride. It is simply a required investment that would put a darn good, a brilliant battleship back to sea. What i've proposed is to put the Aradu back to sea, while 2 Corvettes are bought to compliment her.

floating around in port is not "put to sea". She hasnt been operational in decades. This is a fact, we all know it.

Reffiting a vessel like Aradu is pointless expenditure, we all know her service record, she is battered and bruised. Her weapons systems are obsolete, her missiles likely expired.

Using the 70:30 paradigm of naval aquisitions (70% of cost on weapons/systems, 30% on hull) you may as well buy a new vessel. Considering the state of her systems.

Also, I wish to hold you to your own standards:

Henry240:
Please make your comments in a civil manner. We are all adults for christ-sakes. You don't have to insult anybody.


If you went on to read my comment instead of concentrating on just one sentence, you'll see i agree with you on armour upgrade.


post comments in a civil manner, anymore insults and you'll get a ban for cyber-bullying.

It seems you are, as usual, unable to handle dissenting opinions. Perhaps you are still smarting from the beat down in the other thread.

Maybe you should take a break, calm down, compose yourself.

Henry240:
What a load of rubbish.

So you think it is a worth while endeavor to pump millions into a 26 year old ship, that hasnt put to sea in allmost a decade, has missiles which are likely expired, underwent a refit of dubious quality - who knows which systems still date back to the 1980's - , has been crashed multiple times and was designed with conventional surface warfare in mind?

What happened to the old, "we buy what we need based on our threats" argument you used to rattle out?

There are better things to spend money on than a beat up ship, and no, national pride is not a valid expense. You said yourself, the cost of ressurection is in the ballpark of a new corvette... which would you rather have?

Henry240:
No sir, that is not rust. I sourced the image, i know based on soldier accounts the weather condition of the Malian AO. I'm not going to go back and forth on this one.

"Dust sticks to vertical steel and doesnt get blown off by a moving vehicle"

Yeah, ok bud, whatever helps you sleep at night

Henry240:
Let me clear this one.

I shared that particular photo back in 2013 when Nigerian forces first deployed to Mali. That's not rust, what you're seeing in that photo is an effect of a sandstorm. You can see the soldiers hand and mask, brown in dust, and he has his goggles on.


......Because of the proximity of the AO to the Sahara desert, it sits right on the desert. There are usually very frequent sandstorms. Soldiers had to wear Goggles and balaclava to operate.


Photo related Nigerian soldier in Mali; Nigerians came kitted this way as an operational requirement.

I know rust when I see it, that hue is the hue of oxidization.

jakeporeshenko:
i dont think firm decisions have been made by this new CNS, big decisions like this can be very difficult to make baring in mind that it'll always end up being about funds available and how willing NN top brass are to squeeze money out of the system. we just have to seat and wait.
personally i think it'll get scrapped or postponed, they are not willing to embark on the mili-million dollar project to revive her.

That ship is a mess at this point. Multiple collissions, multiple re-fits, years on the quay side, etc etc etc. Money would be better spent on another corvette. Or saved for upgrades for existing vessels.

Best to sail her out to sea and let your other vessels use her for gunnery practice.

A viking funeral is the only funeral fit for a warship.

africaken254:
off topic:new improved variant of Chengdu J-10C multi role fighter aircraft,spotted under going flight trials

Fong-kong typhoon

Odunayaw:
On the job

All that rust

I know that as long as the internals are clean it's not a problem.

But as a gun enthusiast, that picture gave me cancer

giles14:
all u dick measuring expert,
pls pack ur bags to d African strongest military thread afterall u pple destroyed it .
pls leave dis thread alone.
was thinking d thread had been rescued but I was wrong

all u pple from rand nation hope u pple got my message.

Direct your comments at Henry120

He is responsible for the most recent flare up

Henry240:
I would try to continue to be the man cause of South-African pain and frustration.

So you essentially confirm that you are not making a rational argument and are instead now just trolling?

Enjoy your 3 third gen bottom shelf fighters.

Henry240:
South-African butt-hurt.

The only butt hurt here is yours

You make statements but cannot prove them

This shows that you are in an emotional state of mind.

iblawi:
Gripens, JF17 thunder and Tejas are all light multi-role fighters with similar capabilities. The only difference is that Tejas and Jf17 thunder are still under development and when completed, they will be competing with Gripen E/F not Gripen C/D.

The existing versions are already comparable to Gripen C/D.

1. "Light multi-role" is a class you just made up

2. Gripen is swing role

3. Gripen is superior in every single way, how is a thing that is better comparable?

No, they are not a match for the c/D and no there is nothing in the development schedule to suggest it will compare to the E/F

The fatal flaw of your argument is that you say it is too expensive, yet people keep buying it (80) despite the existence of your "cheaper and just as good" JF-17

This is a childish argument, why are certain people obsessed with comparing two fighters that will never combat each other?

Henry240:
I have no doubt in my mind, the LCA MK1 would defeat the Gripen. I'm talking about European piloted Gripen C/D, not even South-Africa. Beautiful plane, in performance, however, i find the LCA to be quite ugly aesthetically.

How?

Substantiate your reasoning

Henry240:
The MK1A well surpasses the Gripen. I wonder how the Pakistanis would respond.


The Gripen is just a pampered plane that should ordinarily not cost more than half it's current value. I was reading the RAND report on Gripen operations in Libya as against those conducted by F-16s, F-15s and Tornados, i couldn't phantom what the hullabola about the plane is. Granted it carried out 30% of all ISR mission, but that was the job of the RECON pod it carried, not the plane itself. A western plane which was having compatibility issues with other western planes.

Nigerians butthurt they cannot afford the Gripen

Ps: Thai and Botswanan air forces disagree with you

africaken254:
but still leaves you wondering,how much of this caches is being smuggled into the porous borders of neighbouring countries like niger,chad and mali

That's the problem with caches

They get used in one war, then sold to rebels in the next and so on and so forth.

There is a story about an AK47 that was taken from a poacher in Botswana... It's serial matched the same series of AKs sent by Cuba to support their troops fighting in Eritreia in the 1970s.

Think about the journey that AK has taken

Henry240:
No Pig........ Read carefully Pig, you are channeling your frustration to the wrong person. Direct that butthurt towards Sweden, and the SAAB office in particular. They, not me compared the Gripen C/D to an F-16 aircraft from the 1960s.



I only piled up your frustration, however SAAB, and your illiterate Mbeki did all the hard ground work. SAAB say the Gripen C/D is trash, and i accept.

Where did they do that?