lezz: It is a sad irony,But the truth is that majority of these south African Zulus don't know what Nigeria did for them, from the military angle to the diplomatic arena. We looked the British in the eye and nationalised Barkley Bank just so Zulus from mpumalanga can call Capetown home and savages from Zulu natal could inhabit Johannesburg.
All Africa got in return was Xenophobia from the ignorant Zulus and baseless competition from the ANC led government who have displayed gross incompetence in handling domestic governance and mediocrity in foreign diplomacy and engagement.
Good thing South Africa has fallen from cloud 9. It was a long and heavy fall. They aren't smilling.
Extreme times call for extreme methods, goes the phrase. So, with the growing brazenness of terror group Boko Haram in the North-East, the Nigerian government proceeded to create a Special Forces unit, a team of elite military personnel trained for extreme battle scenarios. Trained in an Eastern European country, the troops, drawn from the Nigerian Army, Navy and Air Force, make up a fierce fighting force that is proving to be effective in necessary areas.
What makes the Special Forces unit such a dangerous, effective one? A military insider disclosed that some reasons are intense martial arts and survival training, sophisticated weapons handling and the array of tech at their disposal. “Without giving away too much,” the source said, “The Nigerian Special Forces are not personnel to be trifled with, by anyone.”
No easy job.
Their reputation grows by the day, too, with captured insurgents revealing that Boko Haram commanders often issuing stern warnings to their fighters to avoid run-ins with the Special Forces unit troops. A Defence source even attributes that to the doggedness of the men in pursuing, sometimes even hunting, insurgents and engaging them. He offered an anecdote, wherein a group of Boko Haram terrorists where approaching and the men grabbed their weapons and kit and cheerfully engaged the insurgents in a brief but victorious encounter.
The nature of their operation makes it impossible to be reported in the mainstream, owing to the tradition worldwide which sees Special Forces units’ activities cloaked in secrecy. It is that mystery, however, which additionally makes them effective, according to military experts. The unit, also, played a key part in the dislodgement of Boko Haram from once-dreaded Sambisa Forest.
Security insiders told Daily Trust that there has never been any doubt on the capabilities of Nigerian officers and soldiers. “We all know the issues have to do with training and equipment,” one said, adding that the coming of the Special Forces unit has proven once again that the Nigerian military is up to the task.
In the beginning
The Special Forces unit first assembled in Bauchi, from where they were escorted to Borno State, where the need for their unique skill sets was dire. When they arrived, the Bama axis was too hot, so they were deployed there and were said to have performed effectively. During those particular operations, they were constantly on the offensive, in many cases sending insurgents running.
The Special Forces were so effective that observers mistook them for the mercenaries said to have been hired by the government of the day, probably because they wore uniforms which looked nothing like the civilian populace had seen before.
They are also known for using the Mine-Resistant Ambush Protected (MRAP) vehicle, as well as being instrumental in weakening and dislodging many Boko Haram camps in Borno State. In addition, they operate in Yobe and Adamawa states.
Secret wars
When Daily Trust requested information regarding the Special Forces unit, Army Spokesman Colonel Sani Usman responded thus: “No country discloses information about its Special Forces, Nigeria inclusive.” But he added that the nation does have such a unit fighting terrorists alongside their colleagues, “and they are doing creditably well.”
Colonel Usman also stressed the need to remember the efforts of regular troops on ground in the North-East. “The fight against terrorism in Nigeria is a collective responsibility among the Armed Forces, the police and other security forces,” he added.
agaugust: [s] 1. The Rafale jet b.ombing ISIS is using laser guided b.ombs and guided missiles which the Rooivalk does not have, yet the jets have not defeated ISIS, it is certain if your Rooivalk appears in Iraq ISIS will pluck your Rooivalks from the sky like kids pluck mangoes from trees.
Not trying to compare jets vs helicopters, I can educate you that the superior Apache helicopter with guided missiles is also fighting ISIS and has not won the war, yet the Apache is superior to the Rooivalk.....dude go sit down, one Rooivalk did not defeat M23, the battle was won on the ground by artillery and infantry plus armoured vehicles that plunged into M23 bases and uprooted them.
2. South Africa has larger numbers, but the commanding brain is Tanzanian brigadier who plans ALL the battles against M23 so SANDF simply follows his orders and use his brain to fight, and the heaviest firpower on ground is D-30 howitzer heavy artillery guns of Tanzania, SANDF is just running around with rifles
When your rebel worthy Rooivalk is tested against an enemy that has 23mm x2 anti-aircraft guns and MANPAD missiles, come back talk to [/s]
1. Rooivalk has Ingwe and Mokopa
2. South Africa provided larger numbers - fact. South Africa provided the Rooivalks - fact. We did most of the fighting
When your rebel worthy army is tested against an enemy with Jets, massed artillery and SAM missiles, come back and talk to us
agaugust: [s]You have an artwork photo of Nigerian army regular infantry troops which you post fraudulently as special forces troops.
You have no name of the town or location or date of the fake battle you are saying Nigerian special forces got wiped out fighting.
You claim the casualty numbers come from a secret military burial, if its secret how did you attend a secret military burial to count of coffins and graves? Old man fraudster !!!!!
Nigeria's three armed forces combined have over 4,000 special forces, you claim we had only 46......how does that make sense.
You have NO citation to prove your fraudulent claim, that's why you a wrong post photo, your photo citation is of year 1990s Liberian war Nigerian army infantry carrying old FN-FAL rifles we don't even use anymore as standard issue, and you label it as Special forces war against Boko Haram war.
Your comment goes down into a bottomless pit.....waste of time and browsing megabytes[/s].
agaugust: [s] PKK lives inside Turkey and blow up hundreds of Turkish citizens at random when they attack the capital city and other towns. ISIS operators live inside USA, they just massacred 14 Americans inside California last week.
Paris has ISIS operators living inside France and bõmbïng Paris at random killing the French citizens in hundreds and forcing Paris into paralyzed lock down mode for days.....France has officially declared a national state of emergency.
All those three NATO military forces have not saved their own homeland from terrorists, so Nigeria has not done badly with almost 100 million Islamic believers resident inside Nigeria, we have more Muslims than the whole population of France, we face 100 times more risk potential.
Rooivalk helicopter arrival did not defeat M23, you cannot win asymmetric war from the air, hundreds of powerful NATO fighter jets including mighty Rafale and Typhoons 4++ generation jet fighters have bömbed ISIS about 10,000 times in two years and ISIS is still holding tight to it's territory and exporting oil from Iraq doing big business. The frustrated USA has announced last week that special forces will now be deployed on ground to battle ISIS....you can't win such war with air power . M23 was killed by multinational ground troops from Tanzania, South Africa, Malawi and all troops under Tanzanian leadership/command....plus Tanzanian heavy artillery from D-30 howitzers that pounded M23 positions into powder before ground troops moved in to mop up what was left of a wrecked M23 force.....you failed to give credit to Tanzanian army heavy artillery prowess.....you glory thief !
Your Rooivalk is a rebel worthy helicopter, go test it against an enemy that has anti-aircraft missiles[/s] .
1. UN accredited Rooivalk with final defeat of the M23 1a. Our mortars were more relevant than the D20's 1b. Provide citations please
2. Your Army is a rebel worthy army, go test it against a conventional army
These are nothing more than the squeals of a butthurt little boy
agaugust: [s]You had only 250 troops and that's just 3 platoons, at most 5 officers total and they fought for only 15 hours before running away to hide under the armpit of France's troops at the Bangui airport......your coward officers pushed the lower rank troops forward to die while officers were hiding behind the men that died.
Nigeria fought with 30,000 troops for 6 years, so we lose more men, but we have won the war, you did not win yours because SANDF and your special forces are afraid of death, you abandoned Bangui in her day of trouble..... Cowards and heartless SANDF.
28 Nigerian officers story is speculation or an outright lie.....the journalist said they had secret military burial, so if the burial was a military secret, how did she know about it since it is a classified military secret?
She made up the story......that's why she CANNOT name or list the 28 officers or name the place and date they fought any battle. Special forces ops are secrets, the journalists do NOT have access to special forces secrets.
That news report is a figment of private imaginations, goes into thrash bin until the journalist proves anything with evidence[/s] .
The French army was at the airport. Your lily-livered troops got brushed aside, outside the city. The enemy doesn't call for a ceasefire, yet still is able to gather enough troops to take the capital.
The Rooivalk and MI-24s attacked targets in tandem, fool! Rwandan/congolese made up the most of fighting men as at the time.
Boko-haram isn't occupying land in Nigeria. We also aren't talking about occupation rather length of conflict...... Stop moving the goal post.
1. Seleka asked for a cease fire - FACT
2. UN has directly accredited the Rooivalk with defeating the M23
3. Majority of combat troops were South African throughout the deployment
4. Boko Haram is occupying land in Nigeria - Sambisa forest
Henry240: The rate at which you nincompoops believe your on lies is nothing short of unprecedented?
Need I remind you that Seleka took over the country of the CAR after only a few hours after engaging your troops, while Bozize fled. So how did they surrender?
Congolese and members of Tanzania/Malawi wiped out M23 not South-Africa. Your forces only played a minute part after much of the heavy lifting had by done by Congo and Tanzania.
Boko-Haram has been severely degraded.
How long has the U.S been fighting Al-qeada or one it's several off-shoots?
How long has Turkey been engaging the PKK?
1. Those are the facts of the battle of Bangui
2. They surrendered because they knew while they were fighting us they could not get into the city - hence a cease fire
3. O really? So: - Can I see a citation to back up your bullshit? - How do 800 men play a bigger role the 1500?
4. M23 were better trained, equipped and armed than Boko Haram - and they had a jungle to hide in, and they were destroyed in 3 months.
agaugust: [s]2. Okay, as cowards SANDF needed other countries to join them and help them to fight any war, no wonder Tanzania is your boss in Congo
3. Exactly my point....
South Africa want's to be the leader of the whole continent of Africa, yet they don't want to help an African country outside their local SADC region.....what kind of African continental leader would you ever be when you discriminate between African countries that you will help? SANDF left their fellow black brothers in Bangui to die.....so much for South African quest to become leader of Africa.
Is Sudan in ECOWAS ? Nigerian army fought for the blacks in Dafur Sudan outside our region, we were the first army to land there and stop the mass r.ape and mass murder of blacks in Sudan, we were attacked, over a dozen Nigerian troops died in an unprovoked attack by Sudan militia on our camp at night, yet Nigerian army NEVER withdrew from Sudan since those many years ago, we are still there today. If it was SANDF, your army will leave Sudan the next morning at sunrise with jet speed of escape back to peace in Pretoria.
Liberia is in ECOWAS, yes, but was South Africa in ECOWAS when Nigeria was helping you fools fight against apartheid? Nigerian army and air force made combat operations against SADF in Angola, yet Angola is not in ECOWAS, Nigeria also trained ANC freedom fighters from South Africa, is your South Africa in Nigeria's region of West Africa ?
Fool....you just proved me right and showed the world why South Africa does NOT qualify to become the leader of Africa[/s] .
1. You dont fight wars in other peoples part of africa without support
2. You are trying to create something where nothing exists - this mission was to (a) protect bozize, (b) train his men and (c) protect the South Africans doin (a) and (b) that is all.
3. South Africa has lost men in Sudan and is still there.
4. Nigeria did practically nothing to help liberate South Africa
5. Nigerian Army/Airforce did not ever deploy against the SADF
agaugust: [s] Soldiers all over the world are on sworn oath to die fighting for their country, it's their heroic mission for their fatherland.
Nigeria has thousands of elite special forces still fighting today, we have them in thousands !
We lost those 28 elite forces men over a very long period of 6 years of war ! SANDF lost 15 elite forces men in only one day in Bangui !!!
Yes we insult you about Bangui because your SANDF ran away for the past 3 years and has no courage to return and save your African brothers in trouble, France's army had to do your job for you cowards.....we insult SANDF because you have no courage to stay in Bangui, fly in C-130 transport aircraft and reinforce with more men and equipment from South Africa, demolish Seleka rebels, and save a fellow African nation from catastrophe.
You always give a cowardly excuse of.... "it's not South Africa's job to help a fellow African nation in trouble", yet you want to be the leader of the whole of Africa...."Central African Republic is not our homeland", that is your final excuse.....well is Liberia the homeland of Nigerian military? Nigerian army has remained in Liberia for 25 years, after many bloody years of war...till today we refused to abandon them, even though the war is ended and Nigeria established democracy in Liberia, we still keep a Nigerian army battalion in that county.
You say your SANDF mission was accomplished while C.A.R nation continued to boil and your fellow Africans were being roasted to death in war, and your troops ran away to Pretoria, they are home now with wives in their Soweto bedrooms while C.A.R is dying for help.
Yes, we will insult South African military forever on the Bangui/C.A.R. cowardice of South Africa's best soldiers...Elite Paratroops and Special Forces who ran away from the face of ordinary farmer rebels called Seleka !!!![/s] .
1. You lost 26 men in ONE ENGAGEMENT 2.We flew in re-enforcements, an entire battalion, Gripen and Rooivalk - we were ready to fight but the neighbors of CAR were not 3. Liberia is in ECOWAS... in CAR in SADAC? 4. The mission they were sent there for was accomplished - no debate. 5. When did we run away?
Fact is, 26 of your men got slaughtered in one fight.... by musket armed Boko Haram
Henry240: I hope you know that foreign investors do not develop an economy, excerpt for city states like Singapore, foreign investments do not drive the economy.
agaugust: What link? Are you illiterate? Google type and search Eskom load shedding, and google sesrch 15 million South Africans without electricity in darkness.....dummy....half illiterate cannot google search simple data. Mumu .
More Nigerians live in darkness than there are South Africans
agaugust: [s]Stock market investors who left have nothing to do with MTN fine, they chose to move their money elsewhere.... That is the nature of stock markets worldwide, it is never stable, always going up and down....it's called bull and hear, you illiterate. Show me a stock market in the world that never swings up and down....Investors are moving from USA Dow Jones stock market to more favorable markets in Europe and Asia.
List the names of the companies that have left Nigeria because of MTN.....while the same MTN itself refuses to leave Nigeria ....LOL !!!!
Has Shoprite left Nigeria? LOL...show us a names list of those who left.....the criminal investors/law breakers who have something to hide and have run away from the new display of the power of Nigerian law enforcement..... Give us their names list !!!![/s] .
Better equipped? SANDF is a dry land only army with no single amphibious combat vehicle..... Nigerian army has hundreds of such vehicles that you can only wish you had.
South African private confidential company trained just 120 Nigerian low rank corporals, privates, and sergeants. Nigerian military trained South African high rank generals. We trained you 100 times more than you trained us.
In the 1980s and 1990s Nigerian army and air force trained your ANC fighters who now lead SANDF and SAAF generals and now command your army/air force, we actually built today's South African military leaders and commanders according to recent confession of your own military brigadier general who is paying tribute to Nigerian military for a job well done building the foundation of SANDF.
This historical fact will forever humble South Africa when Nigeria reminds them. .
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1. Amphibious vehicles are obsolete and we are better equipped
2. Those generals were all retrained by the SANDF and citations for how many you trained please
lezz: [s]1. South africa's bric membership is of no significance to Africa or itself. Stop Over flogging a dead horse. Ethiopia has. The AU permanent secreteriat, does that make Ethiopia the most politically influential nation in africa?
2. Nigeria hosted the united nation's committee on apartheid to liberate south Africa. Nigeria had to nationalised the british barcley bank and several other firms to force the british to suspend apartheid south Africa.
Nigeria trained your troops during the apartheid struggle, gave scholarships to anc zulus to acquaint them with modern codes of civility. Ordinary Nigerians contributed to fund the anc. Nigeria was a front-line state in the flight for southafroica as acknowledged by your defence public relations officer, major general muta...(zulu names are too ugly to remember). The federal government spent billions on funding the anc. We freed you in truest definition of that word. South is feeling insecure by Nigeria's history.
After Nigeria humiliated Mandela by getting your own SADC to isolate you, I can understand south Africa's pain.[/s]
agaugust: AU should step up their war game from that AMANI level and learn from Malian army's failure in urban COIN battle space. AU should train for the type of battles that are ravaging Africa today, they will likely not be needed for intervention in any nation vs nation style of conventional combat in this current era when most countries in Africa settle their quarrels at the AU meetings or UN mediation.
agaugust: [s]AU and AMANI forces used the open field facilities as provided by the host country, USA and FLINTLOCK forces used the sub-urban plus open field facilities as provided by the host country. The burden of making provisions and creating battle theater scenario is on the host, you give what you want to give, nobody can force you to do what they want on your own soil.
The AMANI forces commander is Nigerian, yes, but the battlefield formation in not Nigerian army style, we don't array forces like that in a rigid order of battle, we are fluid and flexible, typical of British army background that we have. The AMANI formation is typical South African style built on the bush war type of battle theater.
AMANI troops have shown a summary of ALL they did in that video, from live ammo firing to police riot control, they are not hiding anything in secret like a cult, only you is fabricating stories that they have secret training that nobody else knows except you making up the imaginary stuff that does not exist. The summary of they type of training they did was displayed in 3 hours of video.
If they trained 8 hours daily for 3 weeks and take weekends off to rest, take time off when senior officers meet in HQ, then the total training hours is max likely about 150 hours for the whole AMANI exercise, you don't need a 150 hour long video to show summary of 150 hours training, 3 hours summary is enough. We have seen ALL they did, there is no secret cult thing hidden anywhere.
AU should step up their war game from that AMANI level and learn from Malian army's failure in urban COIN battle space. AU should train for the type of battles that are ravaging Africa today, they will likely not be needed for intervention in any nation vs nation style of conventional combat in this current era when most countries in Africa settle their quarrels at the AU meetings or UN mediation.[/s]
I have scratched this out because there is not a shred of evidence to support it:
1. I have shown that urban warfare facilities as well as modern training aids are available at Lethola - if you wish to alledge that they did not do Urban operations, please provide some facts to support the statement
2. If you wish to alledge that the PRESS DEMONSTRATION is a summary of all they did - please then provide some facts to support that statement.
3. If you wish to tell us how the exercise was conducted - please then provide some facts to support that statement
4. The "SANDF bush war style" formation they employed was used by us for COIN operations in Angola against PLAN camps thus it is highly applicable - if you wish to alledge that it is not then please provide some facts to support that statement
5. Stop citing Mali as an example, the French did exactly what we do - they rolled up in their IFV, established a base of fire, established fire superiority and then did a bounding assault - something that was infact demonstrated at AMANI
If you wish to come to this forum and level allegations, please provide some form of fact or evidence other than your own opinion to substantiate it.
I will not waste time with someone who judges an entire exercise based on their observations of a PRESS DEMONSTRATION comprising 0.56% of an exercise and only 8% of the participants
agaugust: There is NO anti-rsa rhetoric in my comment, I am speaking for Africa as a continent, or is AU = rsa ?
I wont discuss this matter with you because you will rather see the whole of Africa sink into failure just to sheild your own rsa national pride.
Like you have no pan-African spirit in you at all, your thought is all about your own country;s pride even if that pride will make the rest of Africa to perish, you don't care one bit about this continent.
Thanks bro.
There is clear rhetoric - you constantly claim insufficient facilities were provided (without being able to substantiate the claim). And to say I would rather see Africa sink than let South African pride be harmed IMPLIES THAT YOU ARE INSULTING SOUTH AFRICA - you contradict yourself in your own post
and FYI, here is a video of men using MILES (most advanced training system on the continent), doing urban operations at Lethola (where AMANI was held) just 3 months before at EX Young Eagle.
Now, clearly the facilities exist, clearly advanced training equipment exists and clearly all are available where AMANI was held. So, either they did do FIBUA orientated training or they did not - and if they did not, then it is because the NIGERIAN running the exercise deemed it unnecessary.
Stop coming here and making meaningless arguments based on your observations of 0.56% of an exercise and only 8% of the participants
lezz: [s]Nah, Nigeria is Africa's most important country. We liberated your land and people so I demand our earned respect from you skeletonized,itinerant,socio-economic wanderer.[/s]
1. Africas most important country is not a member of the G20 or BRICS and have never hosted an AU summit?
2. You liberated us how? By writing a song and issuing some passports?
South Africa showed you all the respect you desrve - by snubbing you at Mandelas Funeral for all the world to see.
lezz: [s]Patrick, are you stalking me now, are you following me around? Are you this bamboozled you're checking me out? Patrick is obsessed with me,you hopeless faggy faglover. _bloody rectum -bandit.
I'm mobile so I can be online while having a wild party or having a 3_some. I don't _fucking logout of NL. I just hit the home key on my mobile. That way, blasting you is just a click away. [/s]
1. I am not stalking you - you told us. Infact, you proudly proclaimed it, meaning that for you going to an open party is a big deal
2. No, you are such a lose.r that you go to a party and dont have the people skills to interact with other human beings. So, instead, you post on nairaland.
agaugust: [s]We are as well equipped as SANDF if not better. Every African army is poorly equipped by international standards.
Every conventional army in the whole world has poor training in counter insurgency until they acquire it.
He was referring to the 120 men he trained who had no previous COIN training.
That excludes the 5,000 NA troops trained for COIN in Russia and Pakistan, the 1,000 trained by Israeli PMC, the thousands trained by USA at Flintlock, Britain and China also trained new COIN forces for Nigeria.
As at now Nigeria has the best trained COIN army regiments in Africa and one of the best in the world.... 100 years ahead of SANDF[/s]
Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 9:32pm On Dec 19, 2015
