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Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 9:41pm On Jan 05, 2016
agaugust:
1. Sudan produces missiles too, so what?

2. South Africa has NEVER produced any tank, you only upgraded your British built Centurion tanks and renamed it Olifant tank.

3. South Africa built NO jet fighter, you only assembled jet aircraft CKD parts imported fully manufactured from Europe
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1. Nigeria doesnt build missiles!!

2. Tank Technology Demonstrator is fully South African

3. Just like Egypt grin grin

So, you asked:

Do we build tanks? Yes
Do we build Jets? Yes

You lose
Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 9:40pm On Jan 05, 2016
agaugust:
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Badger is a bad obsolete IFV configuration dated 15 years old doctrine.

A standard Badger IFV has only one major weapon, 30 mm cannon with slow rate of fire.

A standard BTR-4 has many weapons combined together on ONE SINGLE VEHICLE altogether at the same time , anti-tank missiles + 30 mm cannon + 30 mm Grenade launcher.....modern IFV configuration.

Nigeria has the most advanced IFV in Africa from Cape Town to Cairo

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https://www5.picturepush.com/photo/a/13312233/img/Anonymous/btr-4-btr4-apc-armoured-personnel-carriers-3.jpeg
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So its better than the German Puma, American Stryker, British Ajax, Swedish CV90, Korean K21, French VBCI, Swiss Paranah V, Singaporean Terrex?

Weird how the Americans abandoned the concept you call "new" with their new IFVhuh

Also, you have less than 20 of them... we are building 236 IN OUR FIRST ORDER

Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 9:37pm On Jan 05, 2016
agaugust:
Beechcraft has inbuilt datalink, I posted the manufacturer specs here many times last year.
Yes, manufacturer specs.

You have never posted the SPECS for YOUR Beechraft
Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 9:37pm On Jan 05, 2016
agaugust:
Falcon Eye was posted here last year with full citations, why should we repeat it? If you want to waste peoples time in 2016, I wont be one of those people.

Badger is a bad obsolete IFV configuration dated 15 years old doctrine.

A standard Badger IFV has only one major weapon, 30 mm cannon with slow rate of fire.

A standard BTR-4 has many weapons mixed, anti-tank missiles + 30 mm cannon + 30 mm Grenade launcher.....modern IFV configuration.

Nigeria has the most advanced IFV in Africa from Cape Town to Cairo
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Citation still needed that Falcon Eye is the most advanced in Africa

Standard Badger IFV is better armored.

Badger IFV comes in tank hunter, mortar, ICV and command variants - we focus on specialization, not your obsolete soviet doctrines.

Just like the new British, French, German, Polish, Swedish ICV's


Badger IFV 30mm is the most advanced autocannon in the world
Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 9:33pm On Jan 05, 2016
agaugust:
NAF has both Beechcraft transport and surveillance versions in service.

Nigerian Beechcraft 350ER has been proved to be ISTAR many times repeatedly on this forum.

I wont waste my time in 2016 repeating old stuff.
No, you only have the transport variant - proven many times on this forum
Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 9:33pm On Jan 05, 2016
agaugust:
Data link is a computer communication software NOT a weapon you mumu !
Some-one is stuck in the 1970's.... just like Nigerian Military doctrine grin grin
Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 9:32pm On Jan 05, 2016
agaugust:
Nigeria has mobile radars, we argued this topic last year.
Yes we did, and the conclusion of the argument was that you dont have them
Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 9:31pm On Jan 05, 2016
agaugust:
Prove it, show us the photo and weblink too.
Weblink has been provided
Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 9:31pm On Jan 05, 2016
agaugust:
I did, last year.
No you didnt
Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 9:30pm On Jan 05, 2016
agaugust:
Other African countries have MORE ADVANCED military equipment than your unimpressive list of SANDF hardware above, see the list I made for Africa's best weapons in each category.
Yes, other INDIVIDUAL nations have better INDIVIDUAL weapons

No one in SSA has such an impressive collection and no one in SSA has it all intergrated into one SYSTEM
Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 9:29pm On Jan 05, 2016
agaugust:
Is data link a weapon? Egyptian Rafales will kill SANDF and kill all yõur datalink when 1.5 million soldiers surround yöur 50,000 SANDF tiny army.
Just like the Angolans and Cubans?

We laugh in the face of such odds!
Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 5:58pm On Jan 05, 2016
agaugust:
...but it does NOT
Says who?
Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 5:57pm On Jan 05, 2016
agaugust:
Why didn't you list yours when I asked 20 times in 20 days last year?
4 Valour Class
3 Heroin Class
3 Warrior Class
3 (?) River Class
The Drakensberg
3 T-Class IPV's
21 Harbour Patrol class
6 Lima-Class Landing Craft

Now go ahead, list your fleet

Now list yours please
Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 5:55pm On Jan 05, 2016
agaugust:
Is defence industry a specific weapon ? You mād ?

Egypt produces missiles, tanks, and jet engines. So how is SA better, you build complete tanks?
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1. South Africa produces missiles

2. South Africa produced a tank

3. South Africa built jet aircraft

Yes, we can and have built tanks

Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 5:54pm On Jan 05, 2016
agaugust:
SAAF has NO single drone .

SANDF army has the obsolete catapult launched Vulture drone and it is not armed.

Talk about equipment in service.
Seeker is in Service
Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 5:54pm On Jan 05, 2016
agaugust:
[s]Most powerful, Egypt....24 Rafale jets, about 150 F-16s and about 50 Apaches helicopters, nqvy of many frigates and most advanced submarines in Africa, army of 30,000 APCs, IFVs, tanks, artillery, missiles, 1.5 million soldiers. OVERWHELMING FORCE.

Most advanced is hard to judge because Egypt, Algeria, Nigeria, Morroco, South Africa have different areas of military edge in technology.

Egypt's Rafale is the most advanced jet figther in Africa.

Egypt's Type 209 is the most advanced submarine in Africa

Egypt's E-3 AWACS is the most advanced and only AWACS aircraft in Africa

Morocco's FREMM frigate is the most advanced warship in Africa

Algeria's T-90 tank is the most advanced in Africa

Algeria's Pantsir SAM is rhe most advanced short range mobile air defence system in Africa

Algeria's S-400 SAM is the most advanced long range air defence system in Africa

Algeria's Yak-130 is the most advanced jet trainer in Africa

Nigeria's ATR-42 is the most advanced MPA+ISR aircraft in Africa[/s]

[s]Nigeria's Beechcraft 350 ER is the most advanced ISTAR aircraft in Afica

Nigeria's BTR-4E is the most advanced IFV in Africa

Nigeria's Falcon Eye coastal surveillance system is the most advanced in Africa

Nigeria's CH-3 guided missile drone is the most advanced in Africa.

South Africa has nothing to boast of except tactical datalink and we cannot judge other African countries because we dont know who has tactical datalink and is not talking about it among other nations.

South Africa, I will like the Southies to list for us their equipment names that are currently in service (Not in laboratory or under testing/development stage) and are the most advanced in their class in Africa.....

#EMOTIONS ARE FEELINGS NOT FACTS[/s]
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1. Your Beechcraft 350 is a VIP transport platform

2. Badger is the most advanced IFV in Africa.

3. Citation needed for Falcon Eye

4. How is the CH-3 more advanced than the Seekr?

Agustus, you wouldent know a fact if it fell out of your arse
Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 5:51pm On Jan 05, 2016
Henry240:
We are the only Nation in SSA that has operationally used data links.

Operationally, we are also the only one that have used ELINT compliant assets, AR-1, PL-9C, Falcon Eye, Satellite surveillance, networking & Tracking of assets just a part of the Navy's wider RMAFC, TRADOC -total radar coverage of Nigeria, MI-35m Hind E, MI-17 terminator, Up-graded Super-Puma Helos, ASW assets, CH-3A, Tactical squad drones, Up-graded Alpha jets, Stealth ships, Advanced rifles fitted with state-of-the-art visions etc etc


Again you South-Africans are yet to prove how you have the most technologically advanced military in Africa.
1. You dont have a data-link

2. No that is a lie, you dont have that level of intergration

3. You dont have mobile radars so how are you tracking those things?

4. The rest of your post is nonsense
Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 5:49pm On Jan 05, 2016
Henry240:
The portuguese government rountinely laundered equipment for the Afrikanner government.

How is the SANDF more advanced than the Nigerian military, you are yet to prove this.
Citation pls
Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 5:49pm On Jan 05, 2016
Henry240:
We have something better,

An integrated sattelite naval integrated system with force tracker.
No you dont

We all read the article.

And a maritime managment system is no where near and intergrated data link or a battlefeild managment system
Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 12:24pm On Jan 05, 2016
Henry240:
The fact that we are able to deploy mobile state-of-the-art all. Weather, Day and Night surveillance systems proves we are more advanced in that aspect.



Again, you are yet to prove you are more technologically advanced than Nigeria
You are forgetting about something we have

We win, again cool

Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 12:21pm On Jan 05, 2016
Henry240:
You do not have armed drones, only Nigeria has the capability to deploy operationally armed drones in SSA.
For 100 points: What is the Seeker drone?
Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 12:20pm On Jan 05, 2016
Henry240:
"According to your pap filled soweto brains, an 82 years old aircraft with world war II era controls is advanced?"..... Noted!
Is the tech inside from WW2?
Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 12:20pm On Jan 05, 2016
Henry240:
Where is your proof?

Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 12:19pm On Jan 05, 2016
Henry240:
It doesn't. 80% of all components used in the South-African defence industry is imported from Europe.


The Defence Industry doesn't equal the SANDF.


Prove how the SANDF is more technologically advanced than the Nigerian military.
80% is imported? Who were we importing from during the arms embargoes?

Yes it does - See Juliet Troop at Quito

Prove? Link-ZA, EODS, ground based ELINT, Milan-AD, Starstreak, Badger, Chaka-Battle Managment, IMPI Tracking system, Gripen, Valour Class, Heroin Class, Hawks, Gripen, Rooivalk, mobile radar systems and the rests of GBADS, CRAM etc etc etc
Foreign AffairsRe: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Patchesagain: 12:15pm On Jan 05, 2016
lionel4power:
at 50 knots the shaldag flies faster than all torpedoes in your inventory. We just circle around while dropping depth charge at your slow-moving sub...
Well first it has to detect the sub

And second, the sub has guided torpedoes which are supercavitating... meaning that they have a significant kill zone.

In WW2 the Japs thought that their super-fast sub hunting corvettes would be impervious to American subs... problem was that when you are hunting a sub you have to sail TOWARDS the sub... and that means a head-on shot and if you set the torps to run deep it makes them very hard to detect with eye-balls.
Foreign AffairsRe: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Patchesagain: 12:08pm On Jan 05, 2016
lionel4power:
yes a modern sub... Besides the heroine cannot kill the shaldag.
Heroine Class is the most modern class in service in Africa

O yes, it can kill a Shaldag.... torps dont have to hit targets to kill them, so even if the crew employs evasive maneuvers they will have to be very lucky to avoid the kill zone
Foreign AffairsRe: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Patchesagain: 11:04am On Jan 05, 2016
Henry240:
We got 1 Meko Frigate, 4 Corvettes and 6 missile boats. That's more than enough deterrent.
You cant deter much when you are quay-side for repairs.

In actualiyt you only have one warship capable of conventional defence (Aradu), which is non-operational and 3 missile boats (the Combatant III's) and only one of which is operational.

So in actuality you only have one vessel that is capable of conventional defense of your shoreline at this point, and even with all 3 Combatants sea worthy it will be near impossible to have more than 2 consistently ready for operations.

Hence why you buy in batches - its a question of operationability, ensuring that you always have at least one ready for action (like you do with your Combattant missile boats).

And dont take these as disparaging remarks - I am deeply concerned that SAN is only acquiring 3 OPV's and 3 IPV's for this very reason.... South Africa has 1 553 000 square kilometres of ocean to patrol with (operational) 1 Frigate, 1 Sub, 1 OPV, 1 IPV and the Drakensberg... meaning that even if we drop all conventional training exercises and have all 4 vessels on patrol they each have to cover 310 600 square kilometers
Foreign AffairsRe: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Patchesagain: 10:56am On Jan 05, 2016
lionel4power:
ahhh see the Aradu standing proud. @Henry240 why do you think we bought only 1 meko 360? How i wish we bought at least FOUR... Who buys only one frigate
Because frigates are expensive wink

But yes, it was a silly decision... I would say 3 would be the absolute minimum:

1 - operational
1 - training/reserve
1 - maintenance/upgrade/refit
Foreign AffairsRe: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Patchesagain: 9:26am On Jan 05, 2016
lionel4power:
you guys better find ur sub and better keep your subs in check because the NN has 5 shaldag ASW patrol poats with itching trigger fingers.
Mate, Shaldag is not Asw
Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 8:55am On Jan 05, 2016
Henry240:
Fool,


The South-African defence industry doesn't equal the SANDF.
Yes it does - how do you think the Allies won ww2??
Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 8:54am On Jan 05, 2016
Henry240:
Please provide evidence which shows that the SANDF is more technologically advanced than the Nigerian military.
In every single conceivable means
Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 8:53am On Jan 05, 2016
Henry240:
Analog =\= Advanced
So the way in which you control the technology is more important than the actual technology?

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