agaugust: [s]Nigeria is a raider raiding South African treasury....we have turned Pretoria into our ATM machine.....we will suck Mama Soweto's booooobies milk FOR FREE until both tittiiies run dry......we own you, so you produce the milk.....we drink it for free.
Nigeria has practically turned South Africa into a bondage/captive milk cow [/s] .
So according to the argument you are making.
You agree then that Nigeria is a parasite?
Augubug himself confirms - his nation is one gian 419 scam
agaugust: On Beegeagle's blog, Eben denied being a mercenary and denied fighting in Nigeria, he said he only trained only about 120 infantry men...you just proved yourself to be a liar ! .
No one was talking about him fighting as a mercenary
We are talking about his role in training and supervising the managment of your men
lezz: Patrick, you're suffering from the anxieties of new found knowledge. A knowledge you're still adjusting to.
You're a little fool from a little country blown out of its illusionary dreams. South Africa has been dying since 1999 and you with it.
Cool story.
Doesnt change the fact that the report is subjective. And that South Africa is objectivly far superior in terms of our lack of corruption when compared to Nigeria.
The irony that are making this argument is clearly lost on you.
agaugust: South African military is paying millions of dollars to Cuba, tiny Cuban Island for basic mechanics, basic pilot trainers, LOL.... SANDF pays a foreign military for basic services because your army and air force are not good enough.....tax payers' money from a shrinking and declining South African economy is being forked out to foreigners on a tiny island nation.
MTN is forking out $ 5 Billion punishment fine into Nigeria's pocket while South African stock exchange suffers the loss of value on MTN shares.
All I see is Nigeria vigorously sucking free milk from Mama Soweto's two brèàsts at the same time.....till Pretoria's nïpplës get very sore
lezz: It's noisy here, I'm in a friend's open door birthday party. I'm on the threshold of getting boozed up as it is. I shall come knock you later if I'm sober enough ,or it might just be tomorrow.
Tell your monkeys to stay up in the trees and wait for me.
This fvcking loser is on Nairaland while at a party?
lezz: [s]patchesagain and his paper troops are living in denial. When ISS saus south Africa will diminish in relevance in Africa, they taught it was idle talk.
Now the media CANNOT sustain the hype anymore. A bunch of savages were trusted with political and
economic powers , another group of guerrilla fighters were given military leadership and top hierarchy.....hmnn, the ship of south Africa is crash-bound.[/s]
agaugust: [s]STTEP is a private military company and NOT your country's national army. STTEP also did no mercenary work in Nigeria, they were just trainere like the Israeli NIRTAL private military company we contracted for similar training. They did not fight or lead us into battle.
Tanzanian national army, not a PMC is actually COMMANDING and LEADING South African national army into battle....they rule over your army of photogenic weaklings[/s] .
lezz: [s]bwhahaha, Patrick hurts!!! Tell us what the report says then, South Africa is in denial. Patrick is fuming in the light of truth.
You belong to the sewage pipes where you get flushed into the dark mist of endless nothings. You're of no consequences. You light skinned, mixed breed of a conquered, southern demented gorilla with epilepsy[/s]
lezz: Shut up , bushman. South Africa belongs to the past. [s] Nigeria is the future of Africa. We have done more militarily for Africa than South Africa can ever do.
No other country hungers for leadership than South Africa. Naked ambition with no resources or skilled hands to go along.
Main while latest amnesty reports says south Africa is the most CORRUPT NATION IN AFRICA.
BWHAHAHA. ZULUS CANT KEEP THEIR HANDS OFF DIRT. STAYED TOO LONG IN THE SWAMPS.[/s]
Henry240: I'm all for "Make in Africa"...... Specifically Make in Nigeria.
However, there are significant draw backs regarding your proposal, chief of which is.... Politics!
- There simply is no political will to support such a project.
- If 54 African countries cannot support a mere $1 billion for the AU's standy force, where is the finance going to come from?
Strictly speaking on the government side, I don't see it working.
A private sector initiative/partnership with government commitment to purchase holds more promise. The private sector has the money, the wherewithal and much more to lose if the program fails unlike the government.
I say start small, a jointly developed IFV or OPV sized vessel, and we move from there.
We allready have our new IFV and our new OPV's will be built in RSA
Nothing on the horizon that could even vaguely fit both countries, apart from the upcoming contract to replace the SAMIL's... If both RSA and NIG commit to buying/producing the order will be a minimum of 15 000 vehicles.
And trucks are cheap, so we would see other countries hopping in.
And trucks make a good basis for MRAP's, so you have the basis for evolutionary industrialization and REAL economies of scale... which fits into another project South Africa has (replacing our 800 or so MRAPs) which is something Nigeria could hop on, since you have a general shortage and domestic production is not able to cope with demand.
So basically:
Truck -> Family of trucks (ambulance, mobile HQ, Fire-engine, MRLS platform, mobile feild kitchen engineering etc etc etc) -> Armored truck -> Family of armored trucks ->MRAPS
iblawi: I don't think Nigerians see South Africans as rival except online. What ever we do online remains online. we hate no African country and we wish every country in Africa too was like Nigeria or south Africa economically or politically. You can ask every other South African who have been to Nigeria about that.
Having such helicopter produced in Nigeria and South Africa will be nice and I see many African countries ordering for the gunship. The order might jump close to 200.
No country has everything but combining what you have with what another person has can be very fruitful. That has been the secret of Europe for a long time.
If AU can be as United as EU, Africa will be a better place.
Problem is that most african countries cannot afford it, or anything else in its class. Doubtfull wether Nigeria or South Africa can even afford it.
agaugust: Your journalists report is proved 100% false !
Battlefield report says it was Boko Haram doing all the running and abandoning their weapons and vehicles for Nigerian army to sieze.
Shame on you and your journalist that was writting battlefield reports from inside her hotel room 1,000 km away.... SHAME ON YOU ALL, LIARS.... ENVY IS EATING UP YOUR INTESTINES BY NOW.... .
Shame on your leaders for producing such shameless propaganda
agaugust: Did the British army ever fight in Liberia? No.
Nigerian army did the job, so you can only envy.
Lesotho had no war, they had coup d'etat and SANDF intervention there was a disaster, same as Burundi which is still boiling with bombings today.
South Africa has no capacity to lead Africa, you always say.... Why should our army stay there and fight, is it our country? You lack leadership spirit, God did not endow your South Africa to lead, even Tanzania bosses you around town, you wished UN gave you the leadership role, but they didn't want to risk making a perennial failure a leader in Congo war .
1. My mistake, it was the americans.
2. How was Lesotho a disaster? all military objectives were met, those within the LDF who resisted where annihilated, democracy continued.
3. We were never deployed to CAR to fight in the first place.
agaugust: You? No, it was a United Nations force of over a dozen countries spread all over Congo against M23 rebels, including European air forces flying combat missions in Ukrainian Mi-35 Hind helicopters, how does South Africa claim a UN victory for itself? Thrives, you are glory thieves, stealers ,thieves of Johannesburg !
No
UN FIB was composed of 3 countries
We provided the majority of men (over half) and most of the equipment
Stop trying to act as though MONUSCO did all the fighting - the FIB was the one with the offensive mandate, they belonged to MONUSCO but the rest of the forces were purely defencive.
jln115: Thought id move this discussion here, what do you guys think of a possible Co Nigeria-South Africa development of the Rooivalk 2?.....Its a win win, we need more Rooivalk, Nigeria need more Attack helos and a minimum order of 75 units is required to restart production.
If the Rooivalk hasn't proved its worth by now, I don't know what will!!
Apparently there are 2 countries( excl SA) interested in the Rooivalk, and if I remember correctly a minimum order of 75 units is necessary to restart production.
Personally I feel Denel should partner with an African country as well in developing the Rooivalk 2, and when I say African country I specifically mean Nigeria, they are in need of a dedicated Attack Helo and have the financial and industrial resources to partner South Africa in producing the Rooivalk 2. Opening a production facility in Nigeria could also possibly open a new market for the Rooivalk in North and West Africa.
The 2 countries interested in the Rooivalk(possibly Brazil and Malaysia) will most likely result in an order of 40-60 units, SAAF could do with another 20 Rooivalk and Nigeria would also be looking for 20+ units, thus we have a minimum of 80 orders and a maximum of about 100 units, enough to restart production grin
I dont see two major geo-political rivals co-operating.
I also dont see us sharing any of our tech with anyone but the big dogs who we need something from in return (ie: A-darter and Brazil)
Its sad but its just how it is.
Best bet is minor industrialization with our SADAC neighbors (some sort of factory in Bots maybe a small order from Angola etc)
agaugust: Tanzania has NEVER commanded Nigerian troops, they command SANDF not us, they boss you around in Congo, not us.....shame on your photogenic army .
How is it a shame to co-operate?
How is it a shame to allow those who know the region better to take the lead?
agaugust: [s]Nigerian flag flies in every town where we have mandate to protect .
SANDF has mandate to protect civilian lives and property in Bangui, yet your best troops, elite soldiers and special forces, best soldiers you have in South Africa, abandoned their African brothers in their hour of need in C.A.R Bangui..... Yet you Southies want the leadership position in Africa and you allowed Bangui to fall into rebel hands . Nigerian army was attacked in Liberia by rebels, yet we refused to abandon our fellow black nation, we stayed there and fought many bloody battles for years until we established a Democratic government in Liberia.
Show us where SANDF has achieved that in your national history, C.A.R Bangui was your chance to prove your military worth but you proved to be unworthy[/s] .
South Africa did not have a mandate to protect civilian lives and property in Bangui
Thus your argument is meaningless
Also, YOU did not establish a Democratic government in Liberia, the British did
agaugust: I never claimed they did, your Southy foolish friend is the one claiming to know Boko Harams mission objective from inside his bedroom. Ask him how he knew it.
agaugust: [s]Past event that has changed, Last year old videos of Gwoza town that is now controlled by Nigerian army.
All those Bokos are now dead, they paid with their lives for infiltrating Gwoza town, we made them pay with their lives, their wives are now widows and their children Fatherless courtesy of Nigerian army bullets.
Whose flag flies in that town in your videos today? Whose flag?
We all know Seleka's flag flies in Bangui where SANDF is afraid to ever go back and redeem their bastardized national pride[/s] .
1. Your men ran like the cowards they are 2. Bangui is not part of South Africa. We were prepared to retake the town but the local Regional Bloc would not support us. We did not run
With 400 men in Cameroon and soldiers wearing womens clothing and video evidence of men running away you should not be talking about bravery
agaugust: [s]Old time retired or dead apartheid white army fought Namibia, not these new SANDF of black Soweto boys 99% of whom have never killed a rat with rifle and bullet since the day they were born....LOL....SANDF has ZERO experience of urban warfare that they practically fought, not in demo videos of public image making.
The currently experienced armies of modern day African urban warfare are those of Kenya, Uganda, Algeria, Nigeria.
South Africa is NOT in that elite league.[/s]
1. Those "old men" passed on the knowledge they learnt through training 1a. A man who was 17 in 1989 is how old now?
2. Zero experience in urban warfare?
“I remember when I signed up in 1993. There was a lot of violence in the townships in Johannesburg. We were deployed in Thokoza where there was a lot of fighting between the ANC and the Inkatha. There the ANC fighters would run, shooting wildly towards us as they ran. But we were trained, we have discipline. So we just shot “tsup tsup, tsup tsup”, like that”, he said, pointing his fingers like a rifle. “Those were good days,” he continued. “Exciting days.”
3. We have the most advanced training facilities and training equipment in Africa. Training > Experience
Now the facts remain unchanged:
We have fought insurgencies (Namibia)
And we were able to stop any towns from being taken - and stop SWAPO (PLAN) from establishing any permanent bases in South Africa.
agaugust: [s]Abandoned base, uniforms, equipment, vehicles, headed in the opposite direction of Seleka forces, Usain Bolted to the airport, jumped into next available flight to South Africa, sleeping at home with wives for the past ~ 3 years..... That is a classic encyclopedia definition of RUNNING AWAY NEVER TO RETURN.[/s]
agaugust: You have never fought a big war against 20,000 heavily armed South African citizens on your own homesoil in the first place. You have ZERO of such combat experience.
We have fought insurgencies (Namibia)
And we were able to stop any towns from being taken - and stop SWAPO (PLAN) from establishing any permanent bases in South Africa.
agaugust: No Nigerian soldier dares to run away from battle now, they know they will be arrested, tried, and sentencee to death. SANDF gave medals of 'bravery' to soldiers that ran away from Seleka rebels in Bangui .
agaugust: ~ 15,000 Boko Haram fighters killed, dozens of armoured vehicles destroyed, hundreds of Toyota cannon mounted trucks destroyed, all infiltrated 45 towns recaptured in 45 days, every Islamic caliphate destroyed, hundreds of IED or land mines deactivated, Sambisa and four other forests cleared, no more caliphate existing...... a failure?
Judge our army and we too shall judge your army. If you live in a glass house don't throw stones.
Apples and Oranges
We would never let 45 towns fall in the first place
agaugust: Shame on South Africa, your useless army is failing everyday with operation Corona as gun smugglers and assassins pass under the pants and trousers of SANDF troops to wreck havoc in South Africa, smuggling thousands of AK-47 rifles and bullets to your armed gangs of murderers and hired killers, plus armed robbers who make South Africa the most violent ridden society in Africa and the crime capital of the continent.
Shame, if only SANDF had not been so stupiid, all those AK-47 rifles would not have been smuggled into their homeland under your leaking nose.
Yes operation Corona is an SANDF MILITARY OPERATION and your useless army is failing at home with a very small type of threat that can be defeated by even ordinary Nigerian mobile police force.
Shame on the useless South African nation that CANNOT even secure itself in peace time, talk less of a war ! Shame !
Is 80 000 migrants apprehended and 2000 criminals captured a failure?
Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 12:06pm On Dec 03, 2015
