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lionel4power:
this is desert storm f00l

thats a movie f00l

and a bad solution... the bundgee cord is impeding the charging handle/extractor which could lead to a stoppage

lionel4power:
WHAT ABOUT THESE BELOW? CAN YOU FIND AN EXCUSE FOR THEM?

Yes, that is from the inception of airborne operations

They we still figuring it out back then.... we have moved on.

FYI - that was a war before plate carriers were issued to men (only flak vests)... does that justify not issuing plate carriers today?

Henry240:
Not a permanent station on the Super-Puma. NAF MI-35 carries 2x LMG weapon stations.

We have permanent stations on our pumas... even engineered them so that they can swing out of the way when troops get on or off

SANDF GENERAL GIVEN COMMAND OF MONUSCO

All 20 000 Soldiers now fall under the command of South African Lieutenant General Derrick Mgwebi

The first African to command MONUSCO, a very proud achievement and about time indeed!

A fantastic day!
http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/mgwebi-to-head-uns-drc-mission-20151229

lionel4power:
speak english dondi..whats your silly definition of 'door gunner'? dont come here sputtering junk about how a door gunner uses large caliber gun because thats your rationale.
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whats a door gunner to you?

stultitia est titubante

one of those pictures is not like the others.

3 are the same
1 is different

What is the difference?

lionel4power:
Frumentius kindly shut up and stop messing up this thread.
why is it that when it relates with Nigeria then its automatically inferior?
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your post reeks of jealousy and inferiority complex typical of people of your race.

All over the world, other countries more advance than yours utilize ropes to anchor their weapons for stability, reduced vibration, and thereby accuracy.
a rope is preferred due to its lightweight, non-bulky nature, flexibility and ease of manipulation.
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stop following patches your leader, hes clueless, all he does is try to poke holes in other people achievements to look better.

Notice that those are for marksmen and not mg's?

Jeez dude... come on

agaugust:
[s]I am not interested in discussing with you, because you are not worth it ON THIS THREAD, A PHOTO THREAD, you will just mess up this thread with your fraudulent stuff and open lies. I just wanted to set records straight that NO special forces in Africa can match Nigerian SF in terms of diversified modern day training and constant modern war experience, even mighty Egypt CANNOT match Nigeria in this area .

Who cares about english language that you personally coin for your own use? special forces are what they are, or call them commandoes, there is no hard and fast law of definition of terms universally accepted around all the 150 armies of this world. Stop making things up in your privately created military dictionary of english language definitions. Nobody owns language.[/s]

blah blah blah

If you are not familiar with technical military parlance then that is not my problem and is nothing but an indication of your rank ingnorance

There is nothing special about your SOF... they are dime a dozen.

When you get your hands on an actual SF unit... get back to us

agaugust:
Why don't you quote where Nigeria lost weapons to RUF in that your weblink and list what equipment we lost?

Any lost Nigerian equipment will be searched for, found and destroyed by NA and NAF, that is our doctrine and we proved it again in this Boko Haram war, all equipment we lost were recovered on land or destroyed by air....the photos are all over Nairaland forum military threads.

SANDF doctrine is to leave all weapon s behind in the hands of rebels who capture them from SANDF, then you abandon those countries in the middle of war crisis and say your mandate has ended, as it the Africans dying there are not human beings, you abandon them and say you have done what you wish to do and nobody can hold South Africa responsible for the chaos it leaves behind in weaker smaller African nations that needed your help which you only give on your own selfish terms or you even refuse to help at all.

Nigeria defeated RUF and restored peace to Sierra Leone, Nigerian army supervised and controlled the surrender of ALL weapons and TOTAL DISARMAMENT of ALL rebels in Sierra Leone, and the country is still at peace today, and Nigerian army is still there building up that nation's army and supporting it's democracy to mature.

Show me which country has a war or near war crisis that SANDF intervened alone and that country has peace today. Don't quote UN multinational operations in Congo where Tanzania led the battle.

I have no anti-South African rhetoric, this argument started actually from the anti-Nigerian rhetoric of frumentius the South African who complained that photos of Nigerian SF training with ATGM in Belarus should not have been posted on this thread, how does he have a right to say that? Nigerian troops should not be seen training with anti- tank missiles? Envy? Hatred? Or both coming from the South Africans
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1. No weapons were left behind - FACT

2. Nigeria lost weapons to the RUF - fact

Henry240:
- MINUSMA

- AMISOM

The blanket will save us!!

When I was a small boy I would hide under my blanket if I thought there was a monster outside my window... little did I know that this is a legitimate military tactic!!

Henry240:
Thank you. Same as on the Nigerian Helo, he isn't intended to be.

You dont intend to have MG's on your helo?

[size=15pt]SANDF GIVEN COMMAND OF MONUSCO

All 20 000 UN Soldiers now fall under the command of South African Lieutenant General Derrick Mgwebi

The United Nations has spoken!!

The first African to command MONUSCO and they choose a SOUTH AFRICAN

Augustine has been permanently silenced!![/size]
http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/mgwebi-to-head-uns-drc-mission-20151229

agaugust:

Nigeria SF have both training and experience combined, and the many photos on this forum prove it.

Tons and tons of photos show Nigerian navy SBS, air force QRS, and army SF training all over the world. We have Training from America, Britain, China, Belarus, Pakistan, and Israel.

Those are some of the best SF nations on earth and Nigerian Special Forces have their training combined with our current war experience of over 12 years spanning from Niger Delta swamp war to Boko Haram desert and urban city wars.

Show us how the current South African special forces match Nigeria's mixed training from all over the world plus 12 years constant battlefield experience... show us how much diverse training and real war experience the current new ANC era recruits of South African Special Forces of today have , forget about the 60 year old retired men of apartheid era, those ones will not fight war for South Africa today
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Learn the difference between:

-SOF (basically military Swat)
And
-Sf (teachers, trainers, eyes and ears)

And we will discuss

Henry240:
Hanging Rifles of Slings on Helicopter doors isn't a new practice.

Because the marksman in your pic is not a permanent fixture in that help

An mg on a helo should be

stillchris:
1) I don't know patches. You tell me since you know the exploits of the marine commandos better. And no you ignoramus. They were not based on the royal marine commandos

2)Are you drunk?

Do you bother to do research before making an opinion. This is definitely one problem with you people( especially you)

I said look up 72nd special forces battalion of the Nigerian army. They've been active from the maitatsine, Taliban to boko haram insurgencies. That's more than 20 years

Has Nigeria had other conventional threats aside Islamic terrorism? So engaging in such operations which conforms with the kind of threat doesn't qualify them as SF despite the SF training they are made to undergo?

So you are saying since the SANDF SF have been useless for the past 20+ years disqualifies them as well?

3) what's new is we are gradually shifting towards SOF which we lacked initially. Look up the formation of such units and see they were drawn mostly from the 72 SF battalion.

Sometimes it's not wrong to admit ignorance over matters you are clearly ignorant on.

This thread is not where you should bring your misleading tales of fantasy.

It will come to a time you will believe Buratai is a Kenyan army chief with the way you keep trying to misinform yourself

1. Your Marine Commando's did amphibious assaults in the biafra war. Barely even SoF

2. Again Sf and SOF is dependant on usage and role. Not on what you choose to call them.

3. just a new SOF unit

4. recce ops in Angola qualify them as SF (training and leading UNITA formations and deep recon).


There is no need to get personal or insulting, to the layman all specialist units are SF but to us, we must use the correct terminology and in that regards there is a big difference between SoF and SF

stillchris:
You are wrong patches.

Good thing you agree you could be ignorant of this fact

Nigeria had it's first SF during the civil war. (3rd marine commando).

Look up 72 special forces battalion based in makurdi

What's new in our army is SOF of which men where selected from different special forces units

You south Africans should stop spewing ignoramus trash about something you don't know of. It's not funny

And yes. Your SF have not been in combat since inception of SANDF so it's wrong to rate them above any other.

1. Really? The 3rd Marine Commando spent the war behind enemy lines training insurgents and doing deep reconnisance? NO - since they are based on the ROYAL MARINE COMMANDOES they did raiding which makes them SOF

2. I dont care what YOU call them, the differentiation comes through usage... so if they spent the war grabbing HVTs then they are doing SOF or if they are spending the war doing what I outlined above then they are SF

3. Whats new is that you have another SOF unit that has been trained to modern standards.

4. If you wish to claim SF then provide info about your SF doing SF shit... doint point me at what is effectivly a military swat team and try to tell me that they are SF

5. Our SF have 25 years of operational experience institutionalized and former operators have some of the grandest feats yet recorded by african operators. We base ourselves off of our history.

[quote author=lionel4power post=41440982][/quote]It doesnt matter what they call them - I can call my VW Polo a Maserati if I want... doesnt make it a Maserati

What matters is capabilities and usage.

lionel4power:
your SF havent seen combat for MANY years.
how will you take on the best of the best in Africa who has been fighting intensely for the last 2-3 years non-sto

Ignorance is becoming the dearth of you my friend.

training > experience

It doesnt matter how experienced you are if you simple cannot do certain things that the well trained ones can.

agaugust:
More people get murdered daily in South Africa per head of population than in Nigeria, yet you have not seen war yet. If Bokos operate in your country you will almost become extinct.

As we speak, about 90 innocent South Africans have been killed at home today by your own citizens.

Your country is the gate to the grave yard, ask Oscar Pistorious why South Africans get killed right inside their own bathrooms, ai ai ai

0000000

1. No we do not

2. No they have not

Stop wasting our time with empty meaningless insulst

Are you so defeated that this is all you have left?

Reminder: South Africa is 55X better to live in than Nigeria

agaugust:
Count how many Bokos died in that attack. Boko is down to 5% of it's 2014 size., courtesy of Nigerian army bullets.

Terrorists are killing Americans and French citizens in Paris and California too. So what?

1. Citation needed for size

2. No, what is happening in the US and France is nowhere near what is happening in Nigeria

Joke country -

agaugust:
I never said SANDF didn't fight any modern war, I said you NEVER won any such war fighting alone as a nation. Learn to read and comprehend.

So now you are making ridiculous caveats?

Well, same applies to Nigeria.


You needed the help of local militia, the US and UK in Sierra Leon

You needed the help of your neighbors against boko haram

Nigeria has not won a modern war fighting alone!

agaugust:
South African Minister for defence CONFIRMED SANDF LOST WEAPONS IN BURUNDI and who has them if not rebels, is it in the hands of school children?

"Minister of Defence Mosiuoa Lekota, who has admitted that addressing the logistics crisis in the department was one of its main challenges, last month revealed to parliament that the following pieces of weaponry "have both been lost and stolen on peace support missions":

47,680 x 5.56mm rifle rounds
1,800 x 7.62mm rifle rounds
97 x 60mm mortar bombs
46 x 5.56 mm R-4 rifles
Three light machine-guns, two 9mm pistols, two grenades and four R-4 magazines. "

http://sbeta.iol.co.za/news/south-africa/burundi-bungle-leaves-sandf-chiefs-red-faced-300893


SANDF armoury was being looted in Burundi, you failed there. So AU should get competent army Generals from Angola, Kenya, Uganda, Tanzania, or Zimbabwe this time around.

"lost",means many things

My source is from 2009 and was made after the army had finished investigations into the matter - and they found that no weapons were lost or missing

In future, please:
1. Leave the anti-rsa rhetoric in the other thread
2. Read the sources I post

Also - Nigeria lost weapons to the Ruf
https://www.google.co.za/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.ecoi.net/file_upload/1002_1257249297_2000-op01-sierraleone.pdf&ved=0ahUKEwi50YO1i_rJAhXGtBoKHcWFDE0QFgguMAc&usg=AFQjCNFJAR7WsvTv2j18I0qbtrlZi4xX0w&sig2=_4D8lBy7np3pmYpQM1-odw

patches689:
We left because our UN mandate ended

The UN mandate ended because the country was stable and secure

Neither we nor the UN can tell the future, so I fail to see how this has anything to do with us.

Those weapons were not stolen, stop misrepresenting facts.

Yet again, your obsession with South Africa blinds your judgement.

O, here is the link:

Major General Barney Hlatshwayo, the General Officer Commanding (GOC) the Joint Operations Division’s Joint Operational Headquarters says reports that the South African National Defence Force has lost equipment, weapons and ammunition on missions and that some of this had fallen in the hands of insurgents were wrong.
"Allegations that we lost equipment, weapons and ammunition and that this fell into rebel hands are not true," he told a media briefing Friday

"[Thus] it is not true that our weapons were lost and in the hands of the rebels."

http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1153&catid=47:Logistics&Itemid=110

lezz:
six months ago this same argument ensued and I provided by sources. You took a hiatus and came up with a doctored wiki as a counter point. You want to go through the whole process of denial again? With a home made edited link?

That's how you've kept this thread for 4 years going?

So now you are just making things up?

Are you avoiding my question because your "source" is a forum no different from this one?

lezz:
Why ask a question to which sources and proof have been supplied? You have denied the undeniable in your frustrated attempt at relevance here.

This very topic isn't the first. If you accept facts and proof like a man, this thread wouldn't be 5 years going.


You're the prince of personal insecurity, uncertainty and frightfulness.

I have dubbed you what you truely are: #DebateUnworthy

You have yet to provide the source of your excerpt


Please do so, it is a simple request... I find it bizarre that I meet a wall of insults when I request it

It seems to me that you don't want me to see your source

Perhaps because it is not a trust worthy source, perhaps because it invalidates your entire argument

I'm not debating you, I am humiliating you

lezz:
You have denied your name here, there's no dirt too putrid for your graceless hands

Look, the little snake spews venom when cornered

How cute

lezz:
You're not sane enough to spring a logical question or honest enough to ask a genuine one.

You're a pass-time, comic-relief.

My question is both logical and honest

What is the source of your "facts"?

Peer reviewed journals? Respected military historians? Respected military organization's?

Why do you so desperately avoid the question?

lezz:
Patrick, you're a Leslie-wanna-be. A failed troll you are without the wits and wherewithal to be one.


You hide behind your facede of duplicity to spawn boring and lame jibes. You're too slow to be a troll, your contribution is nuisance level here.

OK, so despite saying that I am a troll - and then saying I am not a troll - within the space of 5 min, you have as of yet to deal with the substance of the argument

Instead you pull back and fire a barrage of personal insults, because you know that in an argument of fact and logic you stand no chance.

You are out if your league here, go play somewhere else.

lezz:
From the history books of your teachers. Those books you never like to read.

You seem to be bending over backwards to avoid my question

Where do you get your "facts" from?

lezz:
My fovourite zulu, how's your desperatiOn going? Still singing the bric song? You have been Overtaken by events. You of all people should know that.

I find it interesting that you are desperate to avoid discussing the "source" of your "facts"

Your ad hominem attacks are utterly pathetic, adopt a new strategy

lezz:
Hmm, your Zulu-in-arms, Mzilakazi said as much. Just scroll to last night's posts. You had US mercenaries. Matter of fact, the Angolan army would have fenced your troops till they starved to death if it wasn't for the American mercenaries. You had British and American tanks, you lying thief.

So the soviet union collapsed and proposed you pulled out of Angola and Namibia? How's a dying man negotiating from the point of strength?

See how desperate your ill-written fiction is? The soviet union is collapsing, the SANDF should be dictating the terms of negotiations, not they asking you to concede Namibia and pull outta Angola. Your lie is so very unconvincing.


It's clear your troops were having their arses whooped that's why you surrendered to the negotiation table, pulled out of Angola with your tails behind your back and forewent your ambition in Namibia.

Simple fact.

Seriously, where are you getting your "facts" from?

lezz:
Now you're beginning to have the similitude of a half-literate buffoon who can attempt to ask questions.

Do you want the source which proves all you've denied?

Or the one that established you're frightened man, who employs internet trolling for personal validation?

1. Answer the question, it is very simple
2. You are the self proclaimed troll, not me. So I assume your statement about trolling for personal validation was an act of projection on your part?

lezz:
Let me Zulu down to your level for easier comprehension.

Boers wanted the entire sandc to strengthen the hold of apartheid regime. Other countries especially Angola has been pushing for independence amongst southern African countries.

Your neighbours' anti-apartheid sentiments were growing stronger. Botha fears it is coming home and decided to quell the feud abroad before it spreads home and Zulus become wiser.

So the Boers backed regimes that promised to support apartheid in most southern African neighbouring countries, they interfered militarily and politically throughout the region for self-preservation.

When Angola proved unyielding, military option was the last resort for South Africa. The Angolans being so tiny only had teenage Cuban girls for pilots who shot the over hyped south African air force out of the skies.

You were backed by American mercenaries and amour. But you suffered defeat.

America pleaded on your behalf for negotiations, once the Angolan troops encircled the SANDF. In order to clear the last vestige of apartheid influence from the region, Angola demanded the independence of Namibia.

You can twist your points but it doesn't change history.

When Jacob Zuma went on a military parade and remembrance in Angola 2009, he acknowledged the facts and praised the Angolan military for humiliating the apartheid army.


Now whose report is more credible, Zuma, your president or that of a self-doubting, ego-haunting ,e-wanderer like you?

Where are you getting this from?

Not surprised... This is the same guy who though an American economist was going to kick us out of Brick