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agaugust:
STTEP does not teach conventional warfare like your SANDF 1970s outdated Rugby or Soccer field of play tactics. Go to STTEP website, they train COIN and unconventional ops.

Dummy art thou.

This forum is about national armies ranking not private military companies doing business.

Thanks for proving that Eben Barlow training 120 Nigerian soldiers is IRRELEVANT on this forum
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So did the SADF conduct only conventional operations in Angola/Namibia?

Henry240:
Why don't you tell us the company the Nigerian government hired?

Augustus just did

agaugust:
STTEP staff are citizens of different countries mixed up in a private company employment.

Mainly composed of?

agaugust:
No one particular 3rd generation tank is best in the world, their armour mix varies and are classified. Unless you want to talk T14 Armata that is a new generation and outclasses every other tank.

Do you know what the K2 Black Panther is?

Anyway, you said that you would choose T-72 over K2 yes?

And no, Armata does not outclass any of its contemporaries.

agaugust:
South African army is NOT training Nigerian army.

Cuban national air force is training South Africa's national air force. Deal with it

I never said South African Army

I said South Africa.

I have dealt with it, now you need to deal with the fact that your army is trained by South Africans who use the "obsolete 1970's tactics"

agaugust:
More dead Rhinos, more illegal AK-47 smuggled to murder gangs/assassins all over South Africa today 2015, proves SANDF is a failure at the border operation/security mandate of their own fatherland.

- 12 month period
- 13 companies deployed as part of Operation Corona
- contraband worth more than R100 million
- 15 tons of dagga, valued at R50 million
- 80 000 undocumented persons.
- 2 000 known criminals
- 300 stolen vehicles
- 18 000 head of livestock

Statistics Nigeria could only dream of

agaugust:
Nigeria became a democracy in 1960 when Mandela was still running and hiding underground after Sharpeville riots and ANC was banned, hunted.

Stop writing craaaaaazy things here, dunce !

Nigeria has spent less time as a democracy than South Africa

agaugust:
[s]Posted here many times again and again, SANDF 21 battalion and Special forces are deployed for anti-Rhino poaching operations and your troops failed that simple test at home....source defenceweb and SANDF website.[/s]

Yes, and in the source posted here many times by you.

It says: They were deployed for border protection and not AP

Augustus, I emplore you to try to maintain a degree of honesty in your arguments

agaugust:
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10/10 post, thank you.

Nigerian military trained and built up the current South African military.....Case Closed

http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&Itemid=111&catid=56:diplomacy-a-peace&view=article&id=23419:south-africa-praises-nigerian-military-for-its-apartheid-era-help

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Nigeria had nothing to do with the training of the current South African Military

This is pathetic - you are simply trying to draw attention to the fact that your army got trained and supervised by South Africans

agaugust:
Nigerian army trained South African national security officers on COIN warfare in our officers academy Jaji, Kaduna state, Nigeria.

No they didnt

Guys, I found the video for the Lazar IFV

Prepare yourself, its fvcking hilarious

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OMA0_c0d5c

frumentius:
What we can say with certainty though, is that those Turkmen rebels are about to experience a world of hurt.

This!

So much this!

The biggest "Fvck you" action Putin can take without exposing himself to any real risk it to assblast ethnic turks inside of syria while remaining well clear of the border

Russians did 141 sorties in Syria in the last 48 hours with 472 terrorist targets hit.

Something tells me the next 141 sorties and 472 targets over the next 48 hours are going to be in Aleppo

Guys

Just FYI

Article 5 only applies when you (ie: NATO member invoking the article) are attacked FIRST
http://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/topics_110496.htm?

Clearly this does not apply here.

There are bigger things at play.

Turks are playing the "turkmin card"

Claims that Turkish military forces on Aug. 10 entered the planned zone in Syria via the Öncüpınar/Bab al-Salameh border crossing along with the Sultan Murat Brigade, which is composed of Turkmens, presents a worrying picture, especially when taken in conjunction with pro-government media headlines that cheerfully proclaimed Aleppo as the 82nd province of Turkey.

The Turkmen card, which Turkey saves for rainy days as a foreign policy option, is on the table once again – something that is not surprising when nationalist sentiments are also on the rise. The perils of this political gamble loom large: Any attack against our Turkmen brothers in the safe zone could easily spark a military clash and drag Turkey into war.

Centrifude:
The Big Bad Russian Bear will be having Some Turkey for lunch.

In Russian thanksgiving

Turkey shoots you!

all i know, is that the Kurdish YPG are going to be getting a whole lot of new weapons from Vlad

And turkish grunts are going to be on the receiving end

agaugust:
The South African PMC trained 100,000 Nigerian troops including artillerymen, armored corps, signals corps, mechanized infantry corps, different special forces of army-navy-air force, and all the thousands trained by Israel, Pakistan, Russia..... Eben Barlow trained all of them together in 3 months?

Your ancestral tree has a mis-breed and that's you.....totally rëtärded beyond redemption.

Cuba trained 70,000 South African troops including artillerymen, armored corps, singnals corps, mech inf corps, different special forces of the army-navy-air force and Medical Corps?

agaugust:
He could if he wants to. T-72 is battle tested in super hot weather of deserts around the world with good performance reports. Western European tanks have reports of performance problems in hot climate. Yes he could buy T-72 instead of advanced tanks, oil rich Iraq and Venezuela recently bought hundreds of T-72 tanks in year 2009 because they know it is reliable in battle and time tested.

So you would buy the T-72 over the K2 Black Panther?

You are aware that the Black Panther is the most advanced tank in the world? Superior to the latest Abrams?

Henry240:
Do you deny the Nigerian government hired a Nigerian company?

who did the training?

Nigerians or South AFricans?

Henry240:
"A fraction of a second..... What's the difference?".


Double the fire-power = Double the damage

The difference of a fraction of the second is that they do not hit simultaniousy

No, double the fire-power =/= double the damage

23mm is 23mm that is all

Henry240:
Not my only criteria.

I've outlined more of them in my response to Jillingy.

So what then are they?

Henry240:
A Nigerian company trained Nigerian troops.

Using South Africans

Or do you deny the presence of South AFricans?

Henry240:
The final destination is simple, a Nigerian company trained Nigerian troops.

South Africans trained your troops

Henry240:
- the communists are still in power in Angola

- the Afrikanners and Germans were kicked out of power in Namibia. Ast gottfried21 or ViceAdmiral

- the communist supported ANC has been in power in South-Africa for the past 21 years.


Verdict : the SADF foray into Angola was a massive defeat for the SADF/Apartheid government.


We are now left with a bunch of lily-livered, ill-organised and ill-trained men such as ( Fighterpilot, Mzilakazi, Syndergp, Andrewza) in the force.

Again, that is political and not military

Those are also not why the war was fought.

Outline how the SADF was defeated in the military sense

Henry240:
That isn't my only criteria.

Seems you are moving the goalposts now.

I quoted your criteria directly

Henry240:
- Double rounds

- double kinetic energy on target

- Armour piercing rounds

- Advantage of using 2 23mm instead of one

- 2KM-3km least range

- Dead, Dead insurgents

- no not double rounds

- no not double kinetic energy on target

- irrelevant

- and what is the effective range of 30mm?

- So what?

Are you so retarrded that you think that the shells hit at the exact same time?

agaugust:
Your manufacturing industry is 90% owned and ruled by Europeans, we proved that already.

No, you keep saying that

But you have yet to prove anything.

Now - stay on topic - and show us something Nigeria makes that is better than what we produced in WW2

agaugust:
Same way you don't know if Nigeria has tactical data-link....or the rule is different when you assess Algeria-Egypt ?

Double standards....means you do not know what you claim, you have no proof !

We know nigeria does not have one

You said so yourself.

agaugust:
Your Rooivalk has ZERO test in any war.....and it's 76 mm gun CANNOT shoot straight, I posted the South African source here last year

Rooivalk is battle tested

Your "source" is not from a respected military publication, its written by a women in Phoenix Arizona who also said Mandela was dead 1 year before he passed away

My source is a respected military publication and it says accurate up to 2km

Citations have been posted... your Saigie is inferior

end of story

agaugust:
You deliberately omitted field exercises that involves artillery, and field obstacle crossing.

Did you hear the word sports mentioned anywhere in the video or by the army commandant ?

You do sports with full combat kit and weapons like artillery?

Title is "Inter-Brigade Combat Proficiency Competition" designed for new war trends of modified training.

The competition is our own usual added flavour to training exercises.

Your SANDF is not creative enough to add that.

Its a inter brigade competition

There is no mention of brigade maneuvers and no footage of it either, or any vehicals or aircraft or artillery

All we see is small groups of men from each brigade comepeting against each other

Its a military sports day - THEY EVEN HAVE A FVCKING PRIZE GIVING

You obviously have not watched the video

Fact is simple, Nigerian army is incapable of conducting execises of the scope and scale that the SANDF pulls off

agaugust:
Bradley IFV fought two gulf wars against mighty Iraqi military of Saddam and one war against Taliban in Afghanistan.

How does Ratel IFV match that world record?

25 years of constant war

agaugust:
Igirigi too is bullet resistant you dunce.

Not all Mbombe carry missiles, it's not standard. Nigeria too can mount missiles on Igirigi.

1. Citation that Igiriri is resistant to 12,5mm
2. Citation that Nigeria can mount missiles

Thanks

agaugust:
Ask Chad, Niger Republique, Nigeria about FLINTLOCK war style....the videos are free on youtube

I am asking you.

How are our tactics obsolete

How are yours not?