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agaugust:
1. Same way the last time your Umkhonto was tested was 2013 and still far from 80 km plan, it only reached 20 km.

2. I don't care about G6 story of 1987.

3. Bragging about 80 km Umkhonto missile that you do NOT have....one single prototype built for testing, lack of funds since 2013.

agaugust:
Sure tells you Nigeria too is buying new air defence stuff, not only you.

DENEL land based is NOT in service with SANDF, even the Mokopa you made, you could not buy one piece.

Weapons not in service are not recognized on this forum, we deal with reality not dreams, anybody can dream, and projects/plans can be cancelled like SAAF AM400 aircraft.

When your army inducts land based Umkhonto, come back talk to us.

agaugust:
The argument is not about G6 artillery, we are talking about complex missile and radar systems.

Umkhonto land based is NOT in service with SANDF....prove to us it has been ordered and entered service.

May I also start quoting Akash SAM for Nigeria because we are on the line to buy it?

http://twocircles.net/2012may17/india_help_boost_nigerias_air_defences.html#.ViPbIX6rTIU

agaugust:
Umkhonto land based is NOT in service.
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agaugust:
[s]Sure, with that long comment and photos I posted today on Nigerian Type 90 superiority over Southie suicidal GDF 005, your work here is done and you are done for ! Cry sweet Sunday night tears and fill up a cup [/s]!
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agaugust:
Cry old man, cry like a little baby boy

agaugust:
I have f.inished you with that post

agaugust:
GDF-002 is 1980, and GDF-005 is 1985 technology as I said before, both are old.

"In 1980, The Oerlikon 35 mm GDF-002 automatic anti-aircraft gun is used primarily as an anti-aircraft weapon but can also be applied against ground targets. In May 1985, the GDF-005 was introduced. This is an overall improvement of the GDF-001/2/3 and the earlier models can be modified to the GDF-005 standard by the use of combat improvement kits supplied by Oerlikon Contraves. "

http://www.armyrecognition.com/germany_german_army_light_heavy_weapons/oerlikon_35_mm_twin_cannon_gdf-001_gdf-003_gdf-005_gdf-007_technical_data_sheet_pictures_video.html

We don't know the GDF variant that Nigeria has, we just saw the photo for the first time on this planet shown to the public by Nigerian army. Any GDF can be upgraded to 005 or 007 variant as stated in the above source, Nigeria's variant is not known. The year we even bought the guns are not known.

The Chinese version Type 90 guns of Nigeria are year 2000 technology with data-link, so how does it come with a 1960s radar? Fool art thou !

Fact is that with the Type 90 purchased likely around year 2007 Nigerian army has guns and radars that will match the GDF-005 and Skyshield radars, so you have upgrades to modernize, but we bought brand new modern equipment as our Type 90.

Type 90 has a Chinese radar different from the Skyguard or Skyshield.

Nigerian army Type 90 computerized anti-aircraft systems use AF902 radars and are actually more modern and superior to SANDF current GDF-005 and Skyshield radars.

"The AF902 is a fire control system and search/tracking radar designed and manufactured in China by the Company NORINCO. The system is used with the Type 90 35mm anti-aircraft twin-gun or the SHORAD TY-90 or PL-9C missiles.

The AF902 has two tracking systems, target searching radar and an electro-optical passive tracking director. Computerized 3D target imaging is also used.

The electro-optical tracking system uses high-resolution optical/infrared TV for passive tracking in clear weather. The advantage of continuing tracking without emitting radar signals increases its survivability when facing enemy anti-radiation missiles (ARMs).

The AF902 fire control system and radar integrates advanced X-band search radar, C-band search/tracking radar and Ka-band tracking radar with TV/IR tracking system, IFF and various latest electro-optical technologies, thus guarantees superior multi-target engagement capability, accurate and longer range tracking capability against ultra-low level and small-RCS target, short system reaction time, good all-weather engagement capability, ECCM capability and LPI characteristic, quick system positioning and deployment capability, and excellent reliability as well.

AF902 fire control system can also exchange local air picture with superior operational command system through data link and combat cooperatively with other friendly air defence systems.

The X-Band search radar has a maximum detection range of 22 km for fighter aircraft and 9 km for cruise missile. The C-Band search and tracking radar ad maximum detection range of 32 km for fighter aircraft and 13 km for cruise missile, and tracking range of 32 km for fighter aircraft and 13 km for cruise missile. "

http://www.armyrecognition.com/china_artillery_vehicles_and_weapon_systems_uk/af902_type_902_fire_control_tracking_search_radar_technical_data_sheet_specifications_pictures_video.html

Nigerian army has far superior air defence systems compared to South African army whose Soweto air defence guns kills it's own army !

Nigeria has a superior combination to give multi-functionality :

1. Shilka SPAAG .....30 units
2. Roland SAM.....16 units with 300 missiles
3. Blowpipe SAM....200 missiles
4. SA-7 SAM....units undisclosed
5. Bofors AAA.....units undisclosed
6. GDF Oerlikon AAA....variant and units undisclosed
7. Type 90 AAA....units undisclosed

Show me how SANDF can match our air defences with your suicide GDF guns and your 1 km max ceiling Starstreak....NA will demolish SANDF

PHOTOS : TYPE 90 AAA CHINA AND NIGERIA.....MODERN NEW GENERATION ANTI-AIRCRAFT WEAPON.
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agaugust:
GDF-002 is 1980, and GDF-005 is 1985 technology as I said before, both are old.

"In 1980, The Oerlikon 35 mm GDF-002 automatic anti-aircraft gun is used primarily as an anti-aircraft weapon but can also be applied against ground targets. In May 1985, the GDF-005 was introduced. This is an overall improvement of the GDF-001/2/3 and the earlier models can be modified to the GDF-005 standard by the use of combat improvement kits supplied by Oerlikon Contraves. "

http://www.armyrecognition.com/germany_german_army_light_heavy_weapons/oerlikon_35_mm_twin_cannon_gdf-001_gdf-003_gdf-005_gdf-007_technical_data_sheet_pictures_video.html

We don't know the GDF variant that Nigeria has, we just saw the photo for the first time on this planet shown to the public by Nigerian army. Any GDF can be upgraded to 005 or 007 variant as stated in the above source, Nigeria's variant is not known. The year we even bought the guns are not known.

agaugust:
[s]The Chinese version Type 90 guns of Nigeria are year 2000 technology with data-link, so how does it come with a 1960s radar? Fool art thou !

Fact is that with the Type 90 purchased likely around year 2007 Nigerian army has guns and radars that will match the GDF-005 and Skyshield radars, so you have upgrades to modernize, but we bought brand new modern equipment as our Type 90.

Type 90 has a Chinese radar different from the Skyguard or Skyshield.

Nigerian army Type 90 systems use AF902 radars and are actually superior to SANDF current GDF-005 and Skyshield radars

"The AF902 is a fire control system and search/tracking radar designed and manufactured in China by the Company NORINCO. The system is used with the Type 90 35mm anti-aircraft twin-gun or the SHORAD TY-90 or PL-9C missiles.

The AF902 has two tracking systems, target searching radar and an electro-optical passive tracking director. Computerized 3D target imaging is also used.

The electro-optical tracking system uses high-resolution optical/infrared TV for passive tracking in clear weather. The advantage of continuing tracking without emitting radar signals increases its survivability when facing enemy anti-radiation missiles (ARMs).

The AF902 fire control system and radar integrates advanced X-band search radar, C-band search/tracking radar and Ka-band tracking radar with TV/IR tracking system, IFF and various latest electro-optical technologies, thus guarantees superior multi-target engagement capability, accurate and longer range tracking capability against ultra-low level and small-RCS target, short system reaction time, good all-weather engagement capability, ECCM capability and LPI characteristic, quick system positioning and deployment capability, and excellent reliability as well.

AF902 fire control system can also exchange local air picture with superior operational command system through data link and combat cooperatively with other friendly air defence systems.

The X-Band search radar has a maximum detection range of 22 km for fighter aircraft and 9 km for cruise missile. The C-Band search and tracking radar ad maximum detection range of 32 km for fighter aircraft and 13 km for cruise missile, and tracking range of 32 km for fighter aircraft and 13 km for cruise missile. "

http://www.armyrecognition.com/china_artillery_vehicles_and_weapon_systems_uk/af902_type_902_fire_control_tracking_search_radar_technical_data_sheet_specifications_pictures_video.html[/s]

agaugust:
Nigerian army has far superior air defence systems compared to South African army whose Soweto air defence guns kills it's own army !

Nigeria has a mix of variety :

1. Shilka SPAAG .....30 units [OBSOLETE]
2. Roland SAM.....16 units with 300 missiles [OBSOLETE - MISSILES EXPIRED]
3. Blowpipe SAM....200 missiles [OBSOLETE]
4. SA-7 SAM....units undisclosed [OBSOLETE]
5. Bofors AAA.....units undisclosed [OBSOLETE IN WW2, FIT NOW ONLY FOR MEUSEUMS]
6. GDF Oerlikon AAA....variant and units undisclosed [GDF-02, Skygaurd radar suite - OBSOLETE]
7. Type 90 AAA....units undisclosed [GDF-02 copy - OBSOLETE]

Show me how SANDF can match our air defences with your suicide GDF guns and your 1 km max ceiling Starstreak....NA will demolish SANDF

PHOTOS : TYPE 90 AAA CHINA AND NIGERIA.....MODERN NEW GENERATION ANTI-AIRCRAFT WEAPON.
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africaken:
they can't send soldiers to fight for africans but are willing to spill their blood for their arab friends

http://www.sudantribune.com/spip.php?article56758

 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZl4L8Auffo

agaugust:

[s]How many combat sorties for SAAF ? .....ZERO

Should we add NAF training hours and military liaison hours across the whole country including outside the NE war zone, shall we add NAF daily patrol hours of Niger Delta oil region ? NAF combat sorties alone is 6,000 flights not hours, if ATR-42 does 10 hours flight and Alpha jet does 2 hours flight, those 6,000 sorties could be over 36,000 hours combat hours alone.

Add the training, daily liaison, and daily anti-piracy hours flown by NAF but not detailed to public....[/s].
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agaugust:
1. SANDF has NO single AHEAD ammunition today 2015. Your GDF-005 is a 30 year old 1985 weapon

2. Bofors is still manufactured today 2015, Sweden mounts Bofors 40 mm on their current 2015 CV90 IFV....you olodo

3. Show us source to prove Nigeria has 16 units of GDF 002

5. Our total number of guns is classified, nobody in public knows how many Bofors, GDF 002, and Type 90 that Nigeria has.

[s]SANDF air defence system kills it's own soldiers, the enemy aircraft does not even need to attack, your own GDF 005 attacks and wipes out your own army gun operators.....modernized for suicide

"9am when a battery from 10 Anti-Aircraft Regiment in Kimberley began a live-fire exercise at the Army Combat Training Centre at Lohatlha as part of the SANDF's Exercise Seboka. By the time the gun had emptied its twin 250-round auto-loader magazines, nine soldiers were dead and 11 injured. It appears as though the gun, which is computerised, jammed before there was some sort of explosion and then it opened fire uncontrollably, killing and injuring the soldiers."

http://www.iol.co.za/news/south-africa/9-killed-in-army-horror-1.374838

SANDF has ZERO air defence capability[/s]

agaugust:
Your argument is dead on arrival.

SANDF army does NOT have any Umhkonto missile in service today, it is under development you fraud.

agaugust:
Your only SAM in SANDF is a toy MANPAD starstreak with ONLY 1 km maximum ceiling, NAF will r.ape your army with ordinary Gazelle armed helicopters, your army will azz bleed to death

Nigerian SA-7 has max ceiling 4.5 km


Missile Name : SA-7 Grail 9M32M Strela
Max. Range : 5,500 meters
Max. Altitude 4,500 meters

http://fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/missile/row/sa-7.htm

Your SANDF air defence is even worse than that of Tanzania

agaugust:
You have NOTHING like that today 2015. Case closed.

agaugust:
Fake soldier, you need more lecture from a Nigerian military researcher who educated you about your own country's air force uniform, I am sure you have now been trained by me on how to differentiate SANDF army camo from that of SAAF, say thank you baas

Bofors fires effective 4km range without radar, you didn't know that, I have to teach you. Eyesight will not see aircraft beyond that range.

With the normal radar, Bofors shoots to over 12 km and Nigeria beats South Africa again with range.

"This gun was used throughout the war and was the main medium anti-aircraft gun. It could fire at a rate of 330 rounds a minute with a range of 41,000ft."

http://shropshirehistory.com/military/antiaircraft.htm

Nigerians have to educate you South Africans all the time. Dullards.

agaugust:
In a slave labour farm?

agaugust:
1. NA Skyguard is a 1980 radar, SANDF Skyshield is a 1985 radar, both are old 1980-85 generation equipment.

2. Show proof of how many GDF 002 units Nigeria has , credible source not wikipedia that you South Africans edit daily to change data
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overhypedsteve:
we could have been able to Lord over the francophone west African states if we were stronger economically. Cuba and some Caribbean American states that tried to play to the tune of the Soviet Union saw what it felt like to live in the shadow of a dominant global economic super power. Nigeria cannot be considered a power economically even in west Africa because we cannot as at yet boast of a wide reaching economic interest that cover the whole of west Africa. we are rich from an African point of view because most of the states around us are crumbling in debts but still yet. Those poor states are not completely loyal to us. Yes we can dominate francophone west Africa if we had a wide reaching economic / political dominance in the region. This small states just make their own decision because they believe that no counter action from Nigeria would scratch them economically or politically. I really wish you ve read of how much we fought against AFRICOM and how unsuccessful it was because of our fading dominance.

EVarn:
@DictatorZar thinks that international politics is like a school yard game of see-saw and skipping rope.I weep for Africa,is this the quality of graduates produced by South African universities?.
Do you think SA would have been able to do anything other than make noise if Botswana had really wanted an AFRICOM base on its soil?,SADC is different from ECOWAS,France practically rules at least 9 of the ECOWAS states; even PMB admitted it on international media.
Out of the 9 francophone 'neo-colonies' in west africa,only 4 can be said to be "moderately independent".Nigeria maintains control in ECOWAS due to its provision of electricity to all its neighbours,financial aid to ECOWAS countries,domination of trade and investment in the region,strong military presence and diplomatic clout.However,we cannot authoritatively dictate to ECOWAS governments because of the staggering degree of french neo-colonial influence,it could lead to loss of regional support.
Even the US cannot fight 9 of its neighbours simultaneously.

iblawi:
[s]You are free not to respond but let me remind you that many of our helicopters are now armed.

Politicians won't even dream of it in Nigeria.

Lastly, I never confirmed any thing about you 18,000 hours. The link showed 1,932 hours for flying VIPs and 325hours for combat pilots in a whole year. That was when South Africa still had money to play with but nowadays you beg Russia and Cuba to train your pilots for free. You can't even pay for there living expenses except you reduce the number to <10.[/s]

iblawi:
For your information NAF don't fly politicians around and we have more of combat craft than transport aircraft. I Guess the difference is clear.

iblawi:
Lol

iblawi:
Citation please

iblawi:
You forgot the part that said " that numbers have continued to shrink "

So if the transport aircraft are not up to that amount again it means you now fly less than 1,000 hours a year.

iblawi:
Stop claiming what you are not.

Let me remind you of a old post on this same thread 2584.



For example, back in 2009, the South African Air Force stopped automatically releasing data on how many hours combat pilots flew for training. When the numbers were finally obtained, it was discovered that in 2008, fighter pilots were in the air for 325 hours (less than two hours a month per pilot). In contrast, pilots on VIP flights (carrying politicians and government officials) were up there 1,932 hours. There are about fifty transports and 80 helicopters in the air force at the time, and that number has continued to shrink.


https://www.strategypage.com/dls/articles/South-Africa-Loses-Use-Of-Its-new-Gripens-8-18-2013.asp

FighterPilot:
Skyshield GDF-007 comes complete with AHEAD anti aircraft guided missiles with the range of 8km. That is exactly what SANDF will be having in 2017.

agaugust:
SANDF trembles when they see Sudanese AK-47 boys in Toyota. SAAF has only 11 combat helicopters, NAF has about 40.

You say 4,000 Bokos held 40 towns....means 100 fighter per town. You manufacture numbers in your bedroom or you came to Nigeria to count Boko Haram fighters one by one....and they did not behead you?

Retärd
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agaugust:
....of V.I.P transport
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agaugust:
Nigerian systems details are not fully known, we bought Type 90 anti-aircraft guns circa year 2005, that's a modern weapon, so your Skyshield is NOT better.

Also, we have 40mm Bofors anti-aircraft with superior range more than 3 times that your GDF series.

Nigeria has Bofors with 12 km range, your South African GDF range is 4 km only



The series of Nigerian GDF is not known, they could be 005 series.

Nobody has numbers of Nigerian anti-aircraft guns, it's classified information.

We have more types of AAA guns than you, SANDF has only GDF, but Nigerian army has GDF, Bofors, Shilka, and Type 90.

FYI, SANDF GDF guns and Skyguard are a failure, your guns kïll yöur own SANDF soldiers instead of killing enemy aircraft.

You have a useless malfunctioning air defense system in SANDF, Nigerian Alpha jets will räpe your army to death
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agaugust:
[s]As a military analyst, I confidently tell you that nobody in the public has details of Nigerian GDF whether 002 or 005 versions, their total numbers are also classified so nobody knows how many units we have.[/s]

Wanna bring up missiles? We are talking guns. No need to repeat Roland SAM, Blowpipe SAM, SA-7 SAM missiles of Nigeria. South African Starstreak is a joke and Umkhobto army version is still under development. Nothing in SANDF can match NA Rolands.

agaugust:
As a military analyst, I confidently tell you that nobody in the public has details of Nigerian GDF whether 002 or 005 versions, their total numbers are also classified so nobody knows how many units we have.

Wanna bring up missiles? We are talking guns. No need to repeat Roland SAM, Blowpipe SAM, SA-7 SAM missiles of Nigeria. South African Starstreak is a joke and Umkhobto army version is still under development. Nothing in SANDF can match NA Rolands.



Nigerian systems details are not fully known, we bought Type 90 anti-aircraft guns circa year 2005, that's a modern weapon, so your Skyshield is NOT better.

Also, we have 40mm Bofors anti-aircraft with superior range more than 3 times that your GDF series.

Nigeria has Bofors with 12 km range, your South African GDF range is 4 km only



The series of Nigerian GDF is not known, they could be 005 series.

Nobody has numbers of Nigerian anti-aircraft guns, it's classified information.

We have more types of AAA guns than you, SANDF has only GDF, but Nigerian army has GDF, Bofors, Shilka, and Type 90.

FYI, SANDF GDF guns and Skyguard are a failure, your guns kïll yöur own SANDF soldiers instead of killing enemy aircraft.

You have a useless malfunctioning air defense system in SANDF, Nigerian Alpha jets will räpe your army to death
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