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agaugust:
Rather than go back to repeat the same answer I have posted 30 repeatedly times in 3 years, I will just ignore you and keep writing my Christmas shopping list budgeted with MTN's free money .

No, you have never once answered the question properly

You have no warship to engage them with

Your aircraft have no proven munitions to engage them with.

It is a simple question, answer it: how will you sink them?

agaugust:
MRAPs are NOT LAVs, can Oryx helicopter carry an MRAP ? The heavy armor of MRAPS makes it's weight double an LAV weight. If you don't know how military equipment are categorized, just ask for free education. Nobody calls IFV and MRAP as LAVs in military circles, get it?

2. REVA MRAP official brochure on website.

3. Show citation to prove South Africa sold T-72 tanks to Algeria....I am waiting.....you see why MTN is paying fine? Too much lies, fraud, manipulation, dishonesty comes from you South Africans. Now show me source to prove you sold Tanks to Algeria
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Provide a citation for definition of LAV

2. Dont tell lies, price is not listed. You said it was cheaper, citation please. Or were you just telling lies again?

3.
a. Been done, stop wasting my time, consult the archives. Pic related.
b. You claim 150 T-55's... yet you dont want to upgrade them? More like you cant afford to upgrade them


Dont talk about fraud and lies when I have literally just now exposed you for telling straight up lies about vehicle costs.

yet again, we see your usual tactics - you get whipped in an argument and now you resort to muddying the water with meaningless demands and accusations.

I am done here, call me when you have an coherent argument to make.

agaugust:
[size=13pt] Both Nigeria and South Africa have no capacity to attack each other, whoever sends out his navy will lose it's vessels in battle as they will be sunk [/size]
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How will you sink our Valour Class or Submarines?

How?

agaugust:
[s] Both Nigeria and South Africa have no capacity to attack each other, whoever sends out his navy will lose it's vessels in battle as they will be sunk[/s]
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No, we have complete and utter capacity to attack you and a reasonable chance of success.

You on the other-hand HAVE NO OPERATIONAL WARSHIPS and thus cannot attack us.

We can project force, because you have a navy
You can only (try) to gaurd your coast, because you have a Coast gaurd

Simple.

agaugust:
1. Fool, those are not LAVs, you listed MRAPs and IFVs you dummy ! South Africa has no single LAV so you don't know what LAV is.....example is Cobra or Igirigi

2. Quote price of REVA MRAP and stop comparing it with $1 million MRAPs, the REVA official website said it's built to be cheap and very affordable, you want to price it like a tank? Fool.

3. South Africa upgrades T-72 for countries who own them, you have NONE to sell, show me your tank exports and name the buyer.....I am waiting.

1. LAV = Light Armored Vehical, they all comply with the definition in one way or another.

2. Reva is of the same class as the RG I compared it to. You said it was cheaper than the Chinese vehicle - prove it

3. Who says we dont own them and sell them? Buyer? Algeria

agaugust:
[s]Every missile on your Frigate is neutralized by our stealth OPV anti-missile defenses, and your sunmarines cannot survive in Nigerian waters.....never mind our new navy FALCON EYE which you don't have an answer to[/s]
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LOL: THE FACT THAT YOU ALLWAYS ONLY TALK WITH NIGERIA DEFENDING AND SOUTH AFRICA ATTACKING CONFIRMS THAT YOU ONLY HAVE A COAST GUARD

1. Citation that OPV anti-missile defences are 100% effective

2. Citation for just how much of your coast is covered by FALCON EYE

Dont waste my time with childish games.

agaugust:
Aradu? Approximately : 180 km anti-ship missile, 75 km BVR anti-aircraft missile, 25 km range anti-submarine torpedoes, 13km range anti-aircraft guns, 30 km range anti-ship guns, 100 anti-missile decoys....only Egypt, Algeria, Morocco have warships that can dare to challenge NNS Aradu when she comes back from refit
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Otomat max range: 80km

Aspide: Only 24 and OBSOLETE

AA guns: OBSOLETE

Anti-ship gun? Lol, what is this WW2?

100 missile decoys? Citation needed!

One Heroin class sub and Aradu is gone, Valour Class crews can sit in port in Simons Town and braai while we win the war with ease.

Aradu is completely and utterly obsolete - a floating museum, completely and utterly outclassed by the Valour Class.

PS: I like how you post ranges of weapons as though that is the only thing that counts

agaugust:
What tanks and LAV does South Africa sell ? Name them.

REVA MRAP was a deal done before the $9m saga, 48 units only....we bought 120 units of Chinese MRAPS.

We can't afford what you sell? The Chinese MRAP we bought is more expensive than your REVA MRAP, and we bought almost 3 times more quantity of the more expensive Chinese MRAP.

Their are South African companies leasing Bell helicopters and Gazelles that's why the $9 m deal included Bell helicopters
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1. What LAV does South Africa sell? Marauder, Matador, Marauder Patrol, Mbombe 4X4, Gila, Rg-32, Rg-34, R35 and a large number more

2. What tanks does South Africa sell? T-72 ATE variant

3.
CS/VP3 Unit cost: $500,000
http://www.army-guide.com/eng/product4741.htm

Reva cost is not listed, but the RG-33 which is simular costs $600,000-$1 million
http://www.army-guide.com/eng/product3551.html

Citations for RSA leasing bell and Gazelles please.

Yet again, you have been shown to have absolutely no idea what you are talking about

agaugust:
[s]....and we refused to deak with ARMSCOR, we cancelled the deal and demanded our money back, you obeyed our demand and you are refunding the money....we rejected your ARMSCOR demand. We own you, go ask MTN[/s]
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Yeah, thats not what happened.

Read the citation.

agaugust:
Coast guards do not own Otomat and Aspide missiles plus torpedoes.

NNS Aradu is confirmed for refit and reactivation next year, posted that info here from NN HQ. You too refit your ships don't you?

Aradu is far superior in firepower to all your four frigates and has ASW capability, Aradu is coming back to operation 2016 confirmed.

Aradu is not operational - so you dont have Otomat or Aspide missiles.

When she enters service... them come talk, until then - silence please and accept Coast Guard status.

And no, Aradu does not have more firepower, dont be a fool.

agaugust:
Bwahahaaha

And our Navy is worth more than you navy... both in capability and in ability to wage war

bwahahahahaha

agaugust:
[s]What demands?

Nigeria did not comply with any South African demand, we are actually the ones making demand.....return our $9 m.....Pretoria obeyed Abuja's demand.

You fear us, your government fears our giant status in Africa, we own you.[/s]

Read the citation, you complied with our demands - all Nigerian arms purchases in South Africa must pass through Armscor and get Armscor approval

Stop wasting my time, if you wish to make a claim - provide a citation.

agaugust:
You lost ! Nigeria is getting back the $9m.

Nigeria does not need South African arms, what do you have to sell that we cannot buy from Russia or China?

We bought more Chinese MRAP than South African, you don't sell tanks, you don't sell LAVs, we bypassed your grenade launchers to buy Chinese.

The Bell helicopters are American product wanted to lease from south Africa, but you foolishly sat on the money and Nigeria has bought Gazelles and Eurocopters from France.....you lost business, you are born losers. When you mess with Nigeria you always end up as losers......go ask MTN....

[s]Meanwhile, we sucking Mama Soweto's milk loaded brëästs in Abuja till our stomach is full of free South African protein and glucose[/s]
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1. We dont need South African Arms - pic related, jackass

2. Hurr durr Bell helicopters derp derp - we dont sell Bell or Gazelles or any other light helicopters, jackass

3. Born losers - RSA is top 20 arms exporter and Denel is top 100 Arms manufacturer in the world... where is Proforce?

FYI, we do sell tanks and LAV's, and you bought Chinese because you cant afford what we sell

If you want to say we did it out of fear - provide citations, no one gives a sh1t about your opinion

iblawi:
Your three subs worth less than $800 million.
Your incomplete Frigate worth $300 million each = $1.2 billion

$0.8 billion + $ 1.2 billion = $2 billion.

Your navy is worth less than half the money we would collect from MTN.

Pity you wont use that money to buy any ACTUAL WARSHIPS

And our frigates are "incomplete"? how?

Dude, you quite clearly have no idea what you are talking about

iblawi:
We have hundreds of vessels and we are still building more. NNS thunder, NNS Aradu, NNS okpabama, are all frigates size in any navy. Within several other OPV size vessels, we also have lots of MPVs and IPV's. We also have several fast attack boats, landing craft and several other equipments. That's what i call a navy.

No, that is a collection of obsolete vessels... none of which are capable of waging war... no operational warships!

And you dont have "hundreds of vessles", dont be a clown.

It is an indesputable fact that we have an actual navy

While all you have is a coast guard

overhypedsteve:
I am saying your government cannot buy two ships and three submarine and call it a navy.

So then if we dont have a navy.... what do you have?

We have 4 Frigates and 3 subs... you only have one frigate that hasnt put to sea in about a decade

Cool video about South Africa in WW1 - very modern and very interesting

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhYYqj-3swU

iblawi:
All 4 GSM telecommunication companies are providing superior services and NCC regulate their operations. If you want to talk about service i would say GLO and etisalat provide better service than MTN. MTN just benefits from the fact that they started early and customers are not willing to change their phone numbers cos of old friends.

anecdotal evidence is not acceptable

overhypedsteve:
if MTN will pay to stay in the Nigerian market. Why do you think other investors won't invest?

Because they dont want to get trapped in a country where the government randomly decides to shake them down for cash when times are tough?

overhypedsteve:
sounds like a kid saying his father can beat another kids father because he is putting on a super man costume. your submarine and frigate will not play the role that other smaller fast moving ships were meant to play.

wtf are you even talking about?

overhypedsteve:
they can chose to invest or not to invest. Little would matter the real success here is the fact that Nigeria is no longer a dumping ground for company with poor services. MTN can go no company is indispensable. If they stop operations today in Nigeria another company will stand very willing and ready to take over operation from them. You cannot hold a nation ransom to you impunity.

So you literally did not read what the analysts have said?

And MTN is providing a SUPERIOR service - hence why it is such a strong player in your markets

iblawi:
With which crew and what missile

Your crew are dump. Nothing meaningful in their head.

They can't even carry out basic maintenance, how will they operate a vessel at war.

With the crews and missils on them.

Our crews are dumb? So the full-spectrum warfare exercises we hold yearly with India, Brazil, Germany and France just dont exist?

And we cant carry out maintenance? I just dispelled that myth - navy is operating as planned in 2000.

You have literally nothing to support your argument and at this time are simply wasting my time.

iblawi:
What ships do you have? Just tell me you have up to twenty and prove that 12 are operational.

Even with quarter of our fleet operational we would still have more vessels at sea for patrol.

and even with 2 frigates and one sub we can sink your whole fleet

iblawi:
However, Heitman said the engine problems are not a result of the engine's design but the result of having too few technical staff and, more importantly, too few with experience. "So procedures were not always followed and warning alarms not always heeded; add the lack of time for maintenance and the lack of funds for spares and you are on the slippery slope to nowhere..."


The source said that one of the biggest problems in the Navy is the inability to properly maintain its ships. SAN personnel are unable to do first or second line maintenance on their vessels, with private sector companies like MTU carrying out such basic maintenance procedures. A major brain drain in the Navy is affecting all aspects of readiness, as it is affecting the Air Force as well.

And yet, unlike Nigeria... we dont have half our ships permanently unsea-worthy

iblawi:
South African Navy is being crippled by a lack of qualified personnel, which means that only half its frigates and one of its three submarines can be manned at any one time.

Which is exactly how we planned it to be when we purchased them:

Of course, there is no way that all its vessels can be fully operational at the same time – naval vessels, like aircraft, have complex mainte-nance schedules involving a variety of different levels of maintenance. And crews need training – a vessel undertaking training duties is not operationally deployable.

In the past readiness, was, if anything, worse.

“The SA Navy currently has two frigates available for operational contingencies,” he reports. “One frigate is deployed as part of the anti-piracy patrols in the Mozambique Channel whilst the other is scheduled to undertake an extensive west coast patrol. A third frigate is available for training in Simon’s Town whilst the fourth is undergoing maintenance and repair.

As for the submarines, one is undergoing a major refit which will last until the middle of next year. Another is carrying out routine maintenance and will then undertake patrols in South African waters, particularly in border zones. The third is fully operational and has recently exercised with both US and French forces. Of the minehunters, two are operational, again as specified by the SAN’s business plan. The hydrographic ship SAS Protea is carrying out an assisted maintenance period and will thereafter, and for the rest of the year, conduct survey operations. Three of the planned four ex-strike craft OPVs are operational.

http://www.engineeringnews.co.za/article/south-african-navy-mulls-future-requirements-as-fleet-remains-active-2013-10-04-1


Meanwhile, HALF YOUR FLEET IS NOT EVEN SEA-WORTHY

People in glass houses....

iblawi:
What demands? You must be joking.

Ours, read your own article sh1thead

iblawi:
Out of fear you guys are returning our money so that we can have mercy on your company.

http://mobile.ghanaweb.com/GhanaHomePage/worldNews/Court-orders-S-Africa-to-pay-back-seized-9-3m-to-Nigeria-391161

We always know how to make you humble.

Where does it say we did it out of fear?

Weird that we agreed to give back your money after you complied to our demands

sczeska:
So Hamas is building rockets mainly to attack the IDF?

They are called "protest rockets" because they are practically useless - its just a way of reminding the world that Palestine is there and that they are angry

Mortars are what they use for killing - lots of isrealy settlements are in range of them, they are infinitly more accurate and the jews cant shoot them down with Iron dome

iblawi:
http://mobile.ghanaweb.com/GhanaHomePage/worldNews/Court-orders-S-Africa-to-pay-back-seized-9-3m-to-Nigeria-391161
Out of fear.

How is it fear?

We won jackass - everytime you want to do arms buisness in RSA you must now go through Armscor (ie: us)

agaugust:
Only the fraudulent and law breaking investors will stay away.....and we don't want them.

Have we penalized any other company like MTN ? Is Nissan complaining? Etisalat complaining? Only law breaker MTN is complaining !

We go suck ya dollarz, remember last year arms deal seizure? payback time, South Africa now on her knees begging Nigeria for mercy

Whatever you need to tell yourself

South Africa is not on her knees, she is laughing as her adversary shoots himself in the foot

All companies in the world now know the overly emotional and underdeveloped mentality of Nigerians:

- get in a diplomatic row with the nation of your origin? they will threaten to nationalize your assets
- Nigerian government cash strapped? they will enforce ridiculous demands on you and then enforce ridiculous fines on you

I find it fairly hilarious how you are completely unable to see the bigger picture here... maybe the fact that we have been rubbing your nose in the dirt all month has made you desperate for something to claim victory over

iblawi:
They are analyst not businessmen. Different analyst have different viewpoint. If i were you i will seek advice of a businessman.

just when I thought I had read the most re.tarded sh1t of the week, a Nigerian goes and tops it.

Impressive

agaugust:
You have not chosen the ship, you want to chose it's drone helicopter, where will it land ? In the ocean ?

[s]No wonder MTN management is dull headed.

Meanwhile, I am reaching for a glass of warm milk from Mama Soweto's captured b.ooobies, we now drink free from her n..ipples in Abuja[/s]

literally the stupid.est sh1t i have read all week

Nigerian Navy falls further and further behind