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what is prayer?
Prayer is simply doing what you are suppose to do to get that thing you want .
Prayer is not that vocal voice you make to God for you to get that thing you want to get miraculously

PRE4:
What!!Dating in the church is not bad to you??
Bro,this issue is really rampant in almost all the churches choir.Will you believe that most of them commit sexual immoralities and still mount the altar to minister.

which of the sexual immorality?
Rape, adultery or double dating, please specify

This pollutes the altar of God and thank God we are in the dispensation of grace if not many guilty of it will have been struck dead at the altar.
The church have no problem if it is done in a holy way only for intending couples.The church will counsel them and give them advices.
The case in most churches is that teenagers indulges in amorous relationship through this process

when two adults find themselves attractive to each other in the choir or any other unit for that matter and they have agreed to date, that shouldn't be a problem to the church except it is confirmed that the adults involved are double dating which may result to one of the party involved protesting or there is any other kind of sexual immorality like rape, sexual harassment and even unwanted pregnancy.
Many of these dating are kept secret because the church are always quick to condemn dating among church workers tagging the whole thing as immorality which is not suppose to be so

cornelboy:
Jesus and GOD are one in purpose and have perfect unity. Pls read John 17 all through.

OK,
Thanks

cornelboy:
you got some points wrong out of misinterpretation.
Answer these questions:
1. "and the Word was God", does it says that "the Word was the God"?
Definitely that verse talks about two persons; "the Word was WITH God". It's logical to conclude that "Jesus is a God" but not the "one true GOD". John 17:3, 24.


2. John 17:1 KJV, "These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come...."
from this verse who was Jesus praying to, and where was the "person" he prayed to is

to that note :
There is the one and only God, that is God himself.
There is Jesus Christ sent by the one and only God
And thirdly, there is the holy spirit(the comforter) ?

You have a point there

But if scriptures affirmed that there was one Yahweh from the beginning, that means these three are one

cornelboy:
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They are verses that proves that They are distinct beings and God is supreme over all (including Jesus himself). 1 Corith. 11:3.

whatever verses you see can never contradict what John 1:1 affirmed, AND THE WORD WAS GOD.

1 Corinthians 11:3 ...and the head of Christ is God

Does this contradict John 1:1?
I don't think so.

Because, if you look at it carefully, you will not be confused the word CHRIST used by Paul in that scripture
the analogy Paul was making was between The man(head of the family) and Christianity which has God as the head, not between The man(head of the family) and Christ who is now a spirit.
An intelligent writer like Paul would not possibly make analogy between what is physical(man: head of the family) and what is a spirit(the resurrected Christ who is now a spirit and God) it does not follow.

John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

cornelboy:
Jesus is not Yahweh, Jesus was sent by YAHWEH as the Messiah.

That one was story for the Jews in bible days to believe, not Christians.
I mentioned John 1:1
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, AND THE WORD WAS GOD.
Is Yahweh not God?
And this scripture affirmed that THE WORD WAS GOD, meaning the word was Yahweh, how do you explain that?

We all know that GOD is a Spirit

true, he is a spirit, he is a spirit that lives in us as the holy spirit.

and lives in heaven of heavens...

where is heaven?
If you think that heaven is beyond the clouds then you have to rethink because there is no place beyond the clouds that is spiritual where a spirit God dwells
Heaven is right inside you!
Your body is the temple of God that's where God dwells

Razzness:
U see this concept of trinity, is something that sends my brain to shutdown whenever i think about it, i never seem to comprehend it.
I can comprehend everyother doctrine in christainity with ease, but to make myself believe that God is three in one is beyond me.

there is nothing like God is three in one, there is only one God.
But it's just that there were three different era God had actively interacted with mankind each of which came with their covenants.
1. The era of the old covenant : He was known as Yahweh among the Jews, but the same God
2. The era or days of John the Baptist : He was know as Jesus Christ or the word, but the same God John 1:1
3. The era of Christianity or God's kingdom : He is known as the holy spirit or the comforter which dwels in us, but the same God Act 1:5

These three separate era where God has interacted with man was the reason old theologians suggested that there was three God in one, but that is not the case.
Rather, we have one God who operated in three different era

cornelboy:
If you carefully study the Bible, you would see and understand that the existence of only one true GOD, the Almighty was taught.
Jesus confirmed this in John 17:3, also Paul supported the authentic believe of the one true God, YaHweh who is the Father of all is a single person not "three in one God" or " God in three persons" as Trinitarians says. 1 corinthians 8:6.

questions:
1.do you believe that Jesus Christ himself was that Yahweh? John 1:1
2. Where is God located?

Who remove the former thread?

It is a normal occurence in all choir and there is nothing bad about it.
If the church are sincere enough to accept that there is nothing wrong about it that is when the choristers will be open about it, but so long the church keep being hypocritical saying it is bad then it will remain secret among the choristers

Standing5:
You are a just ranting.

that is all you can say, nothing more than that, you have absolutely nothing to say

Standing5:
/? What is this one saying ?/

Three questions for you:
1. Is there anywhere in the bible that recorded the disciples having a list of prayer points of their Jewish culture and tradition that looks like African incantations from African mythology? (when you travel abroad you will understand)
2. Are there anywhere in the world that you ever hear Christians making prayer points that looks like some mysterious primitive myths like that of African mythology saying O GREAT WIND OF THE DESERT BLOW PANDEMIC AWAY?
3. Are these kind of prayer points or sayings not peculiar to only Africans this modern day (Yoruba people precisely)?

You have every right to do whatever you want to, it's a free world. But certainly, it seems you Africans practice tradition too much such that you are cut out of reality, and what you are doing is subjected to ridicule by reasonable people who are realistic
And by so doing, you bring disgrace unknowingly to Christ this modern day

Where are your sense of reasoning?

babalomike the great Yoruba BABALAWO of Christianity.

O GREAT WIND FROM THE WILDERNESS, BLOW PANDEMIC AWAY


This BABALAWO D. K ODUKOYA and Yoruba people sef, Una no go kill person with laff

Kobojunkie:
Nigerians here spend a lot of their lives in their church-world just like they do back in Nigeria.

Very ridiculous!

Kobojunkie:
they need to make sure they have their hooks in the Nigerian diaspora now. Who do you think fill the seats in these abroad churches? Nah mostly Nigerians now.

and white people will not come into these churches to listen to the African mentality rubbish they preach there that your mama in the village is responsible for your failures in America or UK?
Is that why Nigerians like gathering in their special churches that is full of only Nigerians to listen to rubbish ?
That's why the few of them that have come back to Nigeria will not have anything sensible to offer towards developing Nigeria and that's why Africa will continue to lag behind.

WINNERSMOG:
My friend you are free to believe whatever you like. But don’t try to rubbish any other man’s beliefs especially when it is working for them. As far as I’m concerned, all you just said up there is absolute rubbish and all what I said is what the word of God says, but again I am not forcing anything on you just as you can’t force anything on me. Let’s see where you take this...

who is forcing anything on anyone here?
I say my own you say your own that's all.

And yours a typical of winners chapel I'm not surprise

WINNERSMOG:
I didn’t abuse you my friend, I am only advising you not to be a dunce.

then it seems you do not know the meaning of the choice of word you use there "dunce "
go and check the meaning, it is insulting.

Faith in God makes you enjoy the good things that God has promised his children in his word,

and what are these good things?

like, salvation,

very true!

divine health

lie!
divine health, you get it yourself by doing everything possible to prevent disease like eating well and keeping your environment clean, and when you fall sick you consultant a doctor. That has nothing to do with your faith in God

, prosperity, success, wisdom- just to mention a few.[/b]

all these things you mentioned have nothing to do with your faith in God.
They are deceiving you all telling you it is your faith but meanwhile it is your personal effort you use to achieve these things.

Note that God isn't against anyone achieving anything in this life through his personal effort, infact he is very proud of anyone that has done so.

When these things come to us we call it favor. Meaning we acknowledge God for all we are. Do you understand that?

what do you call these things when they come to non-Christians or unbelievers who don't believe or acknowledge God, are they not favor from God as well?
If that is what you mean by favor then these favour are for everyone just like the rain and sunlight are for everyone therefore there is no big deal about them, it's not something that we should come out on social media to shout over.

And there is just one kind of Christianity- it is called faith in God through Jesus Christ. Anyone who doesn’t practice this is not a Christian.

very true!

WINNERSMOG:
Don’t be a dunce my friend

if you want to make argument with me, don't be fallacious ignoring the fact i raised and attack my personality by making baseless abuses, I'm sure oyedepo is not like that, he is a good man.
Steak to what we are saying, is there anything scriptural about you people claiming supernatural favour where human favour is the case?
I don't think so!

In this Africa, it is babalawo Christianity you people practice thinking that everything is supernatural, not the Christianity Jesus Christ thought.

WINNERSMOG:
I could prove it through the word of God. If you don’t believe in the word of God there is no need wasting my time with you. You are free to believe whatever you believe, I have that freedom too. Don’t be a dunce!

you do not have any scriptural bases to prove your faulty theory.
What you people don't understand is, God allowed miracles, signs and wonders that were written in the bible for the purpose of the new covenant which has already been fulfilled.
Now that the covenant has been fulfilled God don't work with signs and wonders anymore, what God works with currently is the ability of humans to think and solve problems physically and not some supernatural favor.
And if Oyedepo was favoured by fellow humans that shouldn't be tagged supernatural or divine intervention because anyone can also be favoured by humans as well and has nothing to do with God.

Jodera:
lol... I don't need to know about your summary

then you don't have any jurisdiction to quote because any attempt you do you will quote me out of context

but you said they're old players(that's not fact)

you see what I'm talking about?
I never said they are old players or can you point out where i said so?
I said in terms of age, Liverpool mostly used older quality players compared to other epl teams who uses young quality players and that age difference gives Liverpool better advantage.
I don't say Liverpool should not use players at their peak of age

2... You rubbished klopp about falling way behind Bayern because they "gave him young players" and not because his best players were sold thereby creating instability (another opinion not fact)

his best players that were sold were they not replaced with players of better quality but this time they were younger?
See, all I'm telling you is, when you compare to quality players. Though both players have the required quality in skills but the one with older age will always have advantage over the younger one due to that age difference because the younger one will still not be mature on pitch, that is what Mr klopp knows that has been giving his success, not that he is a very good coach like pep guardiola or zidane or Enrique or Alex Ferguson or Arsene Wenger, we all know his secret.

Liverpool were walloped 5-0 in fa cup but klopp and his team were in faraway country playing club world cup

that isn't excuse at all to receive 5:0 from a team like Aston villa

but you said an "invincible" klopp coached boys of under 17 to receive the thrashing (another opinion not fact)

where there mane, sallah,firmino and van digk in that line up? Google it

4... In your bid to discredit klopp, you even named called players who were bench materials as people who klopp won the league and cups with. Who the hell is Castro for god's sake?
And how was sahin a flop under klopp before being sold to Madrid? Reus, lewy gotze, you didn't mention them as key but mentioned Castro and who?? Lol

all the players i mentioned were his regular features just like the way he uses mane, sallah, van digk, firmino etc in Liverpool frequently.
Yes, Reus, Gotze and Lewandowski were among his frequently used, but they were far younger than the others i mentioned previously.

See you can hate klopp all you want (cos all what you wrote is hate and not been objective), but never ever relate klopp as a mediocre coach.
Even the guardiola you hyped, you forgot the abidals, puyol, Valdez and sylvinho who were old wen he carried sextuple, but na klopp matter you carry for head.
My friend once again.... Your post na thrash

there are no teams that do not have some of their players being advanced in age, it is normal to have some like that to balance the team.
But where it is bad is when a coach is deliberately selecting players of above 26 years of age which consist almost 90% of his first eleven regular used players just to create that age advantage over other teams that consist of younger players, that is what your klopp knows how to do
Any day he tries to balance his team with younger players, my guy klopp go collect 5

He is not a good coach

Jodera:
Bros, You suppose collect award for the longest trashy and dustbin post of the decade.

in the real sense you know wetin be trash?
Trash na argument were people dey make were the person nor fit back him point with good premises or fact and the one you just made here na very good example

2020 never end but I bet you, nobody can say more nonsense than this. Fact!!

you be fool!
You even know wetin i talk in summary sef?

TheSourcerer:
fvck God
Yeah! Now let God judge .. .

for your health concerns stay out of drugs

OLAADEGBU:
The Bible is simple to understand especially if you want to know and do the will of God.

exactly!
Infact, one do not need to know much in the bible for him to do the will of God.
The will of God is just two :
1. Believe in Christ and be saved(to love God)
2. Love your neighbour as yourself

However, for the purpose of preaching the gospel in order to convince unbelievers to believe in Christ or preventing being deceived by the trends of deceptive preachers that we have today in our society and also to overcome certain temptations, one need to be equipped with the knowledge of the bible

IamDavid:
I've always been a lover of the King James version of the Bible since I was young, but on a particular day, I saw a white Good news Bible on my dad's bed, I skimmed it and I was sold on. Since then, I've always found newer versions easier to read.

Fast forward to when we had phones and internet, I got updated with conspiracies of how these modern versions are satanic.

Till date, I still read multiple versions of the scripture, and I have not seen any solid proof that these versions mean any harm. I've not seen any version pervert the core message of salvation, and other Biblical principles.

I believe in the ability of the Holy Spirit to teach us as we read, since the scriptures say "the letter killeth" (2nd Corinthians 3:6) Afterall, if we all want total "originality" of the letters, we should all be reading the Hebrew scripts and learn the language.

What are your thoughts about Bible versions?

it depend on what the individual who is reading want to see, and not the version of the bible he is reading.
Every version of the bible came with the fundamental message which is Christ.
If for instance, what you want to see is Christ. Then, that is exactly what you will see in every version of the bible you read.
But if what you want to see is a doctrine that you like so much instead of Christ, then the doctrine is what you will see all through in all version of the bible you read.

So, choose one before reading any version
What do you want see, is it doctrine or Christ?

OLAADEGBU:
You and Al Baghdadi are too far gone.

for Al Baghdadi i don't know what he thinks. But for me i think what the bible as a whole want everyone to understand especially when it has to do with the life of Jesus on earth, his death and resurrection and this kingdom on earth he preached is very far from what the European missionaries who brought Christianity to Africa.
Have you ever travel to Europe, do you see the way these British people and many other people in developed nations of the world practice Christianity? you will cry for Africa

Everytime, i come to nairaland and see what people post or listen to virtually all pastors preaching i pray that one day, God should open the eyes of Africans to see the real truth about this bible.
This bible that I see even illiterate African people are playing about in Africa is a curriculum on it's own .
It takes almost a gifted person with an extra insight with very great intelligence to understand what is in that book, it is not something that anybody will just carry and read.

Truly, it seems we are not afraid of God in this part of the world, we abuse almost everything in our possession.

Adejoncy01:
It's funny how we complain about maladministration by political leaders but fail to address the ones before our very nose.

I found out that one has to swear an oath before commenting on an Islamic thread why it is not so on other religious thread, especially the Christians own.

I've seen a lot of people complain about this on this forum to no avail. If you want to place an oath on religious thread, why not all? Why the preferential treatment?

What is the rationale behind this N*nsense?
Seun must be s*ck in the head.

by logic and reasoning, Christians, atheists, traditionalists, can defend their stand beyond any reasonable doubt.
But Muslims?
There are whole lot of logical defects with that religion, therefore the need for them to be protected artificially, otherwise, one will not say Islam is also a religion on NL

SirMichael1:
this the longest nonsense i've read on nl. Klopp didn't coach the under 23 team, their coach did. Please, when has guardiola fielded young stars as klopp did? Guardiola that doesn't do young players?

I have agreed to who I quoted that post with that i made error with the season Jurgen Klopp managed borussia Dortmund last. It was 2014/2015 bundesliga season and not 2017.Howevver, every other thing i said about your klopp that his success at borussia Dortmund which he has deliberately extended to Liverpool has been on him parading almost 100% aged players in his team hence he is a terrible coach that will be sacked very soon, stand to be corrected.
As at 2014 season,
Neven Subotic was 26 years old(was born 1988)
Jakub Blasczykowski was 29 years old(was born 1985)
Kelvin Grobkreutz was 29 years old(was born 1985)
Mat hummels was 27 years old(was born 1987)
Shiniji Kagawa was 26 years old (was born 1986)
Oliver Kirch was 32 years old (was born 1982)

These were the key players he constantly used on pitch just like he is using the likes of mane, sallah, firmino, van dijk, etc today(all above 26 years old)
Only few of them like Robert Lewandowski, Henrick Mkhitaryan, Ciro Immobile, Aubameyang were below 22 years old at that time.
Check the screen shot of the list of borussia Dortmund 2014/2015 squad below.

I talk with facts

Freedom of speech shouldn't make you say trash out of turn. When last did your guardiola carry ucl, even with his prime squad. How old is minamino? How old is Alexandre arnold? How old is neco williams.

If there's anyone not smart, it will be your coconut head.

do you want to see the age range Pep Guardiola's team?
I can post it here, those that are up to 25 years old are not up to three of them and he hardly use them on regular.

But meanwhile,

Mane 28years old
Salah 28years
Lovren 30 years
Becker 27 years
Anderson 30 years
Matip 28 years
Firmino 28 years
Fabinho 27 years



Non sense!!

EbukaHades10:
U just dey shoot urself for leg say u dey make point.


U said Klopp couldn't play with Sancho and Akanji and I told you that those guys came in 2017 while Klopp came to Liverpool in 2015 so how is it possible that he couldn't play with Sancho?
I said Pulisic didn't play a single game under Klopp so stop twisting my words, baba

OK, I was wrong about the season.
Actually it was 2013/2014 bundesliga not 2017.
And guess what? It was worst.
It was even 46 points that borussia Dortmund finished, 7th position, under the watch of jurgen klopp. That was when young talented players like mhkytaryan, Nuru sahin, Aubameyang, mauroka that klopp couldn't manage.

Every other thing i said were correct about your klopp

I'm very sure he was sacked at Dortmund because his philosophy does not go beyond using old aged physically fit players that will never last the test of time

Even with his old aged players, the way Bayern Munich will flog him home and away
Fake deceptive coach

EbukaHades10:
When did Sancho come to Dortmund? 2017. Akanji came 2018, Pulisic never played a single game under Jurgen Klopp, Sergio Gomez came 2017 so also Yarmolenko

go and check dotmond 2017/2018 squad, Akanji came 2017 he is there.
You say pulisic did not play a single game?

Na people like you never watch bundesliga that period

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55 points in 2017, abi? Please, when did Klopp come to Liverpool? No be 2015?

that question has nothing to do with what happened in 2017.
I say 55 points only, haba, wetinnn!
Check 2017 bundesliga table now

Even David Moyes did better

The 5-0 u are hammering about, Klopp wasn't even on the touchline much less the stadium.

you say wetin?
What sent him out of the touch line, is it not frustration?
After the match did he ever use Adam Lewis, Neco Williams, Harvey Elliot, Yassa Larousi again?
These are quality talented young boys for God's sake, but the man relegated these boys to simply because they did not meet his criteria of ,27, 28 and 29 years old like the likes of mane, sallah, van dijk and firmino.
Is that good enough coach?

Calling Ferguson, Pep, Wenger, Zidane. Ferguson had Ferdinand, Evra, Carrick, Giggs (all in their 30s as at Fergie's last two seasons, Pep had a Yaya Toure, Kompany, has an Arguero and David Silva and Fernandihno all in their 30s, Zidane has Marcelo, Benzema, Ramos and Tony Kross (all in their 30s), don't let me start on Wenger.

and these guys also manage teams dominated with young talented players mostly 18,19,20,21 years old they never conceded 5:0 not even with against big teams
why will you concede 5:0 against a small team like Aston villa and you are calling yourself a coach?

Who calm down read all those rubbish go think say u make beta point cus calling what you wrote rubbish is an utter understament.


Because of one game, una don turn seer wey dey see future na. Make una rest, abeg

As somebody said, "na complete sports dey make una think say una sabi ball"

guy, it is clear that Una klopp dey use age cheat dey win all these while, Una players don dey reach their age peak that's why Una collect 4:0 yesterday

See Una players just dey run anyhow for field through out 90 minutes, fatigue won kill dem.

E just dey start