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shadeyinka:
Yes!
Failures upon failures even of well thought out, well planned issues. At that time, I honestly believed that one cannot be a Christian (born again) and be afflicted with demons. I used to quote scriptures against such ideas. As far as I was concerned, only unbelievers or Christians living in sin could be demonized. My argument was "how can satan/demons coexist in the same body!?"
When my problems persisted after doing all I knew to do as a Christian, I decided to do some overdrive in prayers (morning, afternoon, evening, night) religiously. As I began this routine of mine, I began to see correlations between my dreams and physical events and present realities. In those days, I used to eat Amala and Ewedu in my dreams usually with an old woman silently watching me devour the meals.

My deliverance wasn't a single event. It was over a period of time of breaking the bonds. As per eating in the dream, it happened that one day I heard someone call me by name. He said "stand up!": So I stood up from the bed. He said "go to the bathroom!": And so I went to the bathroom. He said "vomit!": And so I began to vomit Amala and Ewedu till the sink became full of vomit. The last to come out was as big as a grinding stone and I had to stretch my mouth so wide to allow it come out. The stone fell into the sink AND I woke up.

My throat was sore and my mouth was having a taste as if I just ate Amala and Ewedu. The dream was so real to me. That was the last time (several years now) that I eat at the table of my enemies in the dream.

My deliverance was stepwise and I cannot put everything down here. But I was having victories upon victories.

My first attempt at doing deliverance for a person (in a friend's ministry) was a disaster. The demonized woman grabbed me by the neck with her eyes closed and said "who called you into this matter...instead of you facing your own family battles, you are poke-nosing into someone else affairs..go fight your own battles..". Brethren came to rescue me from her clutch.

I was deflated. I wasn't living in sin. I was depressed. Oh God, when will I be finally free!? I fasted till the second day and I asked my pastor friend to conduct my deliverance. He did and another yoke was broken (for I always see in my dreams). I didn't manifest throughout!

My last deliverance was done by Christ Jesus Himself. He arrested the last of them and told me "Young man, you are free, go".

Are all setbacks and problems caused by demons?
NO!

I was only unlucky to have a heritage with a past heavily involved in occultism.

I will say, with hindsight, experience and scripture that I understand how, why a person may be demonized.

oh, you mean you had all these experiences because you were involved in occultism?
what else do you expect, a normal living after the occultic experiences?

From what you have said, being demonized is a state of the mind such as fear which may result to all these eating in the dreams with enemy stuff and that has nothing to do with you being possessed by evil spirit right?

We are saying the same thing.

[quote author=HeavenlyHolines post=89571333]God wouldn't judge us based on feelings or emotions. He will judge based on his words. Top shots in the body of Christ can divorce n u psychology to support it but the word of God still stands. He wouldn't change because of u n I. If apostles, prophets,[,monks,reverend father n mother and even in our contemporary time can stand when they make mistakes or decided not to marry,I believe God's grace is there to carry the fallen man or woman through life. Thanks quote author=paxonel post=89559475]
If you are asked to explain why you don't support it you will find yourself not having anything to say.
All you will say is, i saw it that way in the bible.

These are one of the laws the church of this modern day should deal with.
I mean, the church can't afford to continue reading what is wrong in the bible and let it be part of them, it's so ridiculous, even God in heaven will never accept that.

Do you know that even Muslims also read somewhere in their Quran that they should kill infidels anywhere they find them?
They cannot help but find themselves killing and maiming people because that is what they saw in their Quran, and they are very holy or born again doing it, that is the origin of terrorism.
The same thing with Christians, Christians feels very holy or born again when they stay unmarried until their ex-spouse is dead, does that make sense?
Does it occur to you people that God created man with emotional and sexual needs ?
Why will anyone be subjected into an emotional torment all in the name of keeping religious laws who were created by fellow humans?

what is wrong is wrong, and what is right is right, they really do not depend on religion but rather, they depend on what is in the mind known as conscience.

That's why Christ categorically says, all power has been given to us, which includes the right to choose what is right against all odds and steak to it.

shadeyinka:
I am an example of that which you deny. I was born again, purity living and tongue talking Christian for more than 15 years before I got my deliverance.

If any man be in Christ, he is a NEW creature is VALID irrespective.

A demonized person is not necessarily Possessed, he is afflicted. To be demonized means to be afflicted not possession. A born again CANNOT be possessed!

when you say afflicted what do you mean?
Were you experiencing failures or something?

petra1:
Have you seen one before ? Kindly Describe

I have never seen one before, but that doesn't mean they do not exist.
Some of them may be mentally derailed or harmful to associate with, like the man Jesus casted out evil spirits from, mark 5:8. and the story of the seven sons of sceva, Act 19:11-20.
But the bottom-line is:
1. these people were never Christians.
2. they constantly exhibited abnormal tendencies before the demons were casted out from them which was a sign that they were actually tormented by evil spirits.

Now this is the difference :
1. All the people that claimed to be delivered in churches are all Christians
2. They only exhibit abnormal tendencies only at the ground of their deliverance, after that, they are normal people again. That means they were schizophrenic experiencing temporary delusion or hallucination at that moment, after which they become normal again.

HeavenlyHolines:
Concerning remarriage,we r born again Christians n we don't support it while the person is still alive

If you are asked to explain why you don't support it you will find yourself not having anything to say.
All you will say is, i saw it that way in the bible.

These are one of the laws the church of this modern day should deal with.
I mean, the church can't afford to continue reading what is wrong in the bible and let it be part of them, it's so ridiculous, even God in heaven will never accept that.

Do you know that even Muslims also read somewhere in their Quran that they should kill infidels anywhere they find them?
They cannot help but find themselves killing and maiming people because that is what they saw in their Quran, and they are very holy or born again doing it, that is the origin of terrorism.
The same thing with Christians, Christians feels very holy or born again when they stay unmarried until their ex-spouse is dead, does that make sense?
Does it occur to you people that God created man with emotional and sexual needs ?
Why will anyone be subjected into an emotional torment all in the name of keeping religious laws who were created by fellow humans?

what is wrong is wrong, and what is right is right, they really do not depend on religion but rather, they depend on what is in the mind known as conscience.

That's why Christ categorically says, all power has been given to us, which includes the right to choose what is right against all odds and steak to it.

petra1:
DAVID was moved by the devil to count isreal . And 70,000 men died because of it

petra1:
Devils influenced Ananias to lie

OK, now i get what you people are doing.
Your assumption is people who are found doing what is wrong like David, Ananias and Sapphiras and people who fall sick like maralia patients are controlled by demons, so you have to cast out that demon for them to start doing what is right or become healed from their sickness, that is your ministry?
You should have told me you have never seen the real demon before now, I didn't know.

HeavenlyHolines:
If I interview the person very well,u will know the actual truth. Same thing happened to my sister.
1 Corinthians 10:11 Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.
10:13 There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.

when your sister saw another man who wanted to marry her after she felt her ex-husband who used to subject her into a domestic violence, you advised her not to marry the new guy, is that what you did ?

That was very ridiculous and inconsiderate of you, If she end up knowing the truth she will never forgive you. You have to pray for God's forgiveness for that terrible sin you committed against your sister

HeavenlyHolines:
Calm down. There is nothing that befell a covenant child of God that God doesn't reveal to them. If u check d heroes of faith,they saw the end of t their life from the beginning. So if she prayed before entering into it,I believe God must have spoken to her about it.
Isaiah 30:21 And thine ears shall hear a word behind thee, saying, This is the way, walk ye in it, when ye turn to the right hand, and when ye turn to the left.
Coz a times we might judge afar off n might not know d genesis from the heart of people. Since the issues has gotten to this level, there is nothing God can't do. Maybe that is her cross n God has a way of refining us through persecution and trial. So the grace of God is available to keep her and prayer is there to changed the man.
1 Peter 3:1 Likewise, ye wives, be in subjection to your own husbands; that, if any obey not the word, they also may without the word be won by the conversation of the wives; 3:2 While they behold your chaste conversation coupled with fear.
3:14 But and if ye suffer for righteousness' sake, happy are ye: and be not afraid of their terror, neither be troubled;
3:15 But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear: 3:16 Having a good conscience; that, whereas they speak evil of you, as of evildoers, they may be ashamed that falsely accuse your good conversation in Christ.
3:17 For it is better, if the will of God be so, that ye suffer for well doing, than for evil doing.
3:18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:

so, your conclusion is that the woman should keep suffering for the wrong she didn't do calling it persecution?



Thank you very much,
I rest my case here.

HeavenlyHolines:
In that case,the affected spouse can leave until the other spouse is truly saved. Both of them can't remarry either.

it is the fault of the man that the marriage was resolved, but the woman didn't do anything wrong. Why then is she subjected into the torment of waiting till her ex-husband dies before she remarry again and regain the happiness that she has lost?
Don't you think this is wrong and it is a huge injustice?

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HeavenlyHolines:
Thanks oo. I am a born again Christian and a member of deeper life Bible church. I am not a pastor nor Sunday school teacher. It's just a gift I have on exhortation n counselling mostly on relationship (married n unmarried)

it is good for divorced couples to forgive and reconcile no doubt. But what if for example the man keeps batters the woman and subject her to domestic violence as a result of that there is break up, will you advice that the woman should go back to the man and continue to endure the domestic violence in the name of keeping her marriage?

Please give your sincere answer

petra1:
The people you conducted deliverance for ,were they delivered?

they ignorantly claimed to be delivered.Like I said, i was ignorant too, so i believe them. but the truth is they never had any evil spirit, one of them specifically said I prayed for him and he was delivered from a financial mess which he was very sure that the root of the problem was attack from his village. but after that, he executed a failed contract with a well known company in Lagos which further plunged him into a huge dept.
I soon conducted a personal investigation to ascertain what went wrong only to discover that he boycotted a lot of guidelines and contract laws governing the company and was actually dealing with the wrong client who duped him.

What took over their mind if not evil spirit

a strong desire to show that miracles work in that ministry.
This strong desire can be self motivated as a sacrifice perhaps to appreciate the pastor for what the pastor has done to help them, or sometimes they are paid by the ministry to act.
And truly, their actions have paved way for more members in the church.
The day of deliverance come and see crowd in the church.

Possession and torment are two different things . A christian cannot be possessed by evil spirit . Possession means ownership . However a christian can be tormented or oppressed by the enemy for several reasons which are open doors

the enemy you are taking about is from within and not anything external, and that enemy within is ignorance

Can you explain the relevance of the above

Every spirit that confessed that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God.
I have already explained that all Christians have agreed that Jesus Christ came in the flesh and was crucified, therefore they are of God and cannot possibly be tormented by any evil spirit.
Everybody you see in church for one reason or the other(including those that came for deliverance) are all Christians, they all agreed that Jesus has come in the flesh, was crucified and he is resurrected.

Firstly it s dangerous and wrong to be praying for deliverance for muslims and other uncoverted people.

there is no one in the bible that was prayed for, and was delivered of evil spirit, that was a Christian.
Find out you will discover that this is true.
It's either the person was a gentile worshipping idols or was a Jew practicing judaism. (As at that time there was nothing like Islam on earth.)

Casting out devil is a part of healing ministry . A man has to be saved before you minister healing or "deliverance to him. Healing is the Chilren bread not for outsiders . If you deliver him ,he may die sepoon because he doesn't have the capacity to maintain his freedom from the devil.

You people are funny o!
See, if you want to tell me that if you preach to and unbeliever who perhaps may have evil spirit and he accept Christ and he is baptized with the holy ghost which eliminate the evil spirit in him that would have deprived him of believing in Christ and be saved, I will hear you.

But telling me that casting out devils is part of healing, that is not true.
Because, i can tell you that we have a lot of atheists today, they are not sick, they don't need any healing, yet the spirit in them that made them constantly to deny the existence of God is not of God.
So, healing cannot possibly by part or deliverance or deliverance part of healing.

petra1:
I understand with the op. Whe might not have used the best terminology. But there's truth in his statement. I've seen minsters demonized and tormented by devils. They pray in tongues , minister to others yet they have to be ministered to sometimes .

what you saw is hoax, it isn't real. I was there before, i even conducted deliverance for people out of ignorance.

See, everything you hear people saying that they were possessed of one spirit or the other is a thing of the mind.
At that moment they were saying this, they were not in their right state of mind i kind prove that to you.

How can a Christian saying he is possessed or tormented by an evil spirit contrary to what scriprure says?

1 John 4:2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:

Only Muslims or people of other religions have not confessed that Jesus is the Christ but only christians do. And non of those delivered in churches who claimed they have evil spirit tormenting them are Muslims or people practicing religions other than Christianity or do you see any Muslim being delivered in churches like mountain of fire and other churches which is known for fake deliverance?

Think!

The only foundational battle anyone could have is ignorance. When that person is educated in that aspect he doesn't know from that point he is delivered.
There is nothing like any spirit manipulating people's destiny.
There is nothing like evil spirit tormenting people, they are all scam.

spartan117:
Do you believe in the lord Jesus Christ as your lord and master?

Answer this question without beating round the bush so we will know where your loyalties lie.

yes, I do

Stephenmoka4:
I believe it is there but, I don't know how to do it. Many people had preached to me about it and I've tried, still.

see, by the time you keep meeting with a group of people who are speaking in tongues and you pray with them you will soon get used to the sound of the tongue as you keep listening to them, that will trigger you to speak in tongues using exactly the sound that you have heard that they are using, it is natural.

But if you don't gather with them nothing will trigger you to speak.

That was how i too learnt how to speak until one day, I read through the bible again only to discover that the whole thing they are doing is scam, there is nothing that will benefit you in that exercise.

I will advice you, go back to your bible and read from the horse mouth itself and leave these people before they corrupt you.

spartan117:
Who is Jesus Christ to you?

Your answer to this simple question will show what kingdom you stand for.

that question isn't necessary!
what is necessary is.
...whosoever believes have everlasting life (John 3:16).
..confession that Jesus is the Christ is made into salvation (John 10:10)
..He that believed in him is not condemned (John 3:18)
..This is the work of God, that you believe in him(John 6:29).

To believe in him is what is necessary.
Your speaking in tongues or incantations during prayer can never be the evidence, the evidence is you, your faith in him(Hebrews 11:1)

You speaking in tongues or incantation isn't necessary, except you want to prophesy, even with the the prophesying it is still not necessary,
Just say the prophecy people will hear.

spartan117:
Your opinion is not needed.
What is important is for the op to receive the holy spirit.

And your opinion that the op doesn't have the holy spirit until he speaks incantations during prayer is vague, he doesn't need it

DontCough:
Here is a secret why majority remain poor.

Many want to be rich because they want to show off
Many want to be rich because of the pleasure that comes with riches.

Thinking of getting rich so that others can know I have a God, does it mean others are godless?

If you think of getting rich because you gotta buy designers and exotic cars, you'll soon be thinking of stealing and fraud so as to meet up that negative thought of getting rich.

But if you think of getting rich so as to meet your needs and that of others, you'll soon be seeing problems which you can provide solutions to, and also setting your solutions at a fair price.

I can go on and on, but the first place to create riches is in your thoughts. Change your thoughts, make new priorities and you'll begin to realize new things.

The journey to a new life starts from your thoughts.

The first time I left the shores of Africa for the united States, the first thing I noticed was the difference in beauty between their airport and ours. I noticed an overwhelming difference.

But that wasn't all, when I met the people of America then I realized the power behind their achievements. They are a believing people, extremely positive, majority doesn't believe in impossibilities, why they were able to achieve all off those things we are willing to enjoy with them.

Their thoughts is their way of life, they all share a common thought of possibilities.

God bless you for this!
Don't mind that op and others deceiving people, that's what pastors do today. They want poor people to know that their poverty is caused by some spiritual forces so that they can keep running to churches in fear for solution.

goodshepherd123:
Poverty is definitely backed up by a spiritual force. This force is what I called CURSES . What then is a curse or the opposite which is BLESSING? A Blessing is a pronouncement from someone higher in authority,that summons all the forces in heaven and Earth to support or help a person until the person succeed or become great.When you are blessed automatically all the forces of nature work in your favor (the rain,the weather,the ground ,the air,angels etc) will be favourable to you. But if you are cursed the all demons ,the weather,the economy ,the government,animals etc will be working against such a person so as to Destroy him. Curses came as a result of man's disobedience to God , or as a result of sin. Likewise obedience to God always brings blessings . Proverb 10 vs 22: The blessing of the Lord make the rich and add no sorrow to it.

keep deceiving yourself and deceiving people too

fineboynl:
is poverty spiritual? is there a spiritual undertone or force behind poverty?

Haven interact with alot of poor persons I would say that a large number of them doesn't have what it take to even rise an inch above their current status, as there is obsoletely nothing to offer to get up there. but who am i to say such. except by luck or divine grace for unmerited favor. just as we have seen some empty headed fellows that are super rich in this part of the world.

and i think that's where the spiritual force come into play. whereas they are handful of persons that has what it takes not to be poor, just with all the potentials but they seems not to ever be successful.

there is no spiritual forces causing any poverty or wealth, it is just a mindset thing and nothing more.

You people are mixing up everything and confusing people

spartan117:
Glad to know!
Then speaking in tongues is 100% for you.

1 Corinthians 14:2 For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.


You don't have to understand other peoples tongues because they are speaking to God not to you. What you need to do is get baptized in the holy spirit with the evidence of speaking in tongues. It will change your life.

see, have you ever heard babalawo doing incantation?
That is speaking in tongues for you.
In those days, when prophets receives a prophecy from God they will do little incantation like talking mysteries before delivering the prophecy to the people, that incantation was what Paul was referring to here as tongues.
1 Corinthians 14:3

Do you want to receive the baptism of the holy ghost with the evidence of speaking in tongues?

Acts 8:14 Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John: 8:15 Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost: 8:16 (For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.) 8:17 Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost. 8:18 And when Simon saw that through laying on of the apostles' hands the Holy Ghost was given, he offered them money,

Now, you are talking about baptism of the holy spirit in the book of act, something that is totally different from prophetic incantation and has nothing to do with prophecy or did any of the disciples prophesy anything on the day of Pentecost?

Rather, what tongues was referred to in this scripture was Christians speaking languages they couldn't understand previously before the holy ghost baptism. Act 2:6

So, when you see Christians today doing sketelobborkata!! in their prayers who are they deceiving?

Nebes:
The gift of tongues is a powerful prayer tool.
Keep seeking God’s face sincerely and one day He will give you utterance.

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Jokerman:
Lol... Athiest so you believe in heaven... Lol

Maximus69
Paxonel
Ana's
Chosen1984

See this athiest talking of heaven

at near death they also shout BLOOD OF JESUS or HAVE MERCY GOD too

I don't think the man will ever decide to open his church against the will of the government. saying that he has declared churches open is widely misunderstood

davidinchrist:
Okay friend, if you don't agree with me. I don't argue.
Remember Jesus told a sinner(s) to Go And Sin No More, IF NOT, something Worse would happen to them.

I don't believe in the Grace Gospel that doesn't include Obedience. In fact, I consider it Demonic cos it's Antichrists' (against Jesus teachings).


1 So now there is no condemnation for those who belong to Christ Jesus.
Romans 8:1

12 Therefore, dear brothers and sisters, you have NO obligation to DO what your Sinful nature Urges you to do.
Romans 8:12

13 For IF YOU live by its dictates, you will DIE (SPIRITUALLY). BUT IF through the power of the Spirit YOU put TO DEATH the deeds of your sinful nature, you WILL Live.
Romans 8:13

12 Do not let sin control the way you live; do not give in to sinful desires.
Romans 6:12

Hebrews 10:26-27 KJV
For if we SIN WILLFULLY after that we have received the knowledge of the Truth, there remaineth NO MORE sacrifice for Sins,

[27] BUT a certain fearful looking for of JUDGEMENT and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

If you still don't agree, again, "okay".

I'll take that as your opinion as much as I strongly "disagree".

Anyway, thanks for your time.

Good bye.

yeah! I understand you.
You tend to have zero tolerance to sin which is very good. But that itself is lousy, because it may seduce you to think that you yourself doesn't commit sin and your followers will also tend to believe so.
For several years with my parents i attended Deeper life bible church and i used to think that pastor Kumuyi do not commit sin due to his zero tolerance methods only for me to be proven wrong as i was growing up

Bye!

davidinchrist:
Friend, please see these two posts of mine, "IF" you so wish. Especially the first one:

https://www.nairaland.com/5808501/failed-gospel

https://www.nairaland.com/5844877/still-under-law-old-covenant

May Jesus Bless You Richly.

let's use the first one (grace and truth) as example.
You were right saying the gospel is revealed in grace and truth. But saying that the grace and truth was meant to strike a balance, that was wrong.
Note that grace itself was never balanced, there was no justice in grace. Because, how will you explain the favor gotten from grace that one did not merit?


Matthew 20:15 Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own? Is thine eye evil, because I am good?
Matthew 20:16 So the last shall be first, and the first last: for many be called, but few chosen.

Please take time to read the full story of that Matthew 20 from verse 1

So, Grace did not come as a balanced entity
Why?
Because mankind couldn't have a balanced justice or truth right from the day Adam and Eve sinned from the beginning.

1 John 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

So, you saying that grace and truth was meant to strike a balance, that statement do not follow.

But rather, if you read through that scripture Matthew 20:1-16, you will discover that both grace and truth worked separately independent of each other. That means, they have nothing to do with each other. Matthew 20:14

This further explains why Paul made this mutual exclusivity between grace and justice

Romans 11:6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

davidinchrist:
Hmm. Take a look at the following, IF you don't mind:

Matthew 23:33 KJV
Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of Hell?

Matthew 18:9 KJV
And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into HELL FIRE.

28 “I tell you the truth, all sin and blasphemy can be forgiven,
Mark 3:28 Nlt

29 but anyone who blasphemes the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven. This is a sin with eternal consequences.”
Mark 3:29 Nlt

so, if these scripture implies that for us to escape the damnation of hell we must repent from our sins what happens to the finished work of Jesus Christ on the cross for us to escape that same damnation?

Which one are we to follow in order to escape the damnation, is it the cross or our repentance?

Education is the key