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Kobojunkie:
You will have a choice -- there will be those who choose to loose their place in the Kingdom in the end.

that has nothing to do with them taking their education very seriously and becoming relevant here on this earth.
Whether they choose to loose their place in the kingdom, that is their own cup of tea

That is not the truth either.
I think you better get yourself caught up on what became of the disciples -- the very ones that walked with Jesus Christ Himself while He was here on earth. Most of them did not see to enjoy any of the so-called benefits you have listed above for those who are bound for the kingdom of God, at least not in the worldly terms you apply it.

so?
We should exclude ourselves from these benefits simply because the disciples did not enjoy them in their time?

Kobojunkie:
Being born into a Christian home also means higher chances of being indoctrinated in false religion masquerading as yet another brand of Christianity. Technically, children from such homes grow up corrupted by the same lies their parents before them dutifuly spat down their throats in the name of God. So, do not rejoice yet.

you were right saying being born in a Christian home also means a higher chance of being indoctrinated falsely but that is not peculiar to Christianity alone.
Also, referring other sects of Christianity who do not buy your jw ideas as false religion shows how desperate your jw group are, it doesn't tell good of you.

I think you are confused. Jesus said only those who are born again will enter into God's Kingdom. So, I don't know what bible you are reading there. You might want to go back and re-read John Chapter 3 to better understand what is actually written.

See above where Jesus explains what it means to be Born Again to Nicodemus. Those who are born again are also those who are like children, are righteous, and poor of spirit(Jesus also declared these things).

I'm confused to you, yet you are still saying the same thing i said. Tell me that the disciples of Jesus Christ as at the time Jesus was not yet crucified, were like children, are righteous and poor of the spirit?

7. Don’t be surprised that I told you, ‘You must be born again.’
8. The wind blows wherever it wants to. You hear it, but you don’t know where it is coming from or where it is going. It is the same with everyone who is born from the Spirit.”

if you truly understand what Jesus was trying to explain to Nicodemus what he meant by born again, can you please explain what you understand by this parable?
what does the wind signifies, and why is the wind blowing?
Relate it to what you think born again is and let's see how sensible your explanation will be

Do not twist the words of Christ any further than you already have.

i think you are finding it difficult to understand what Jesus was explaining to Nicodemus just accept that fact.

Yes

incogni2o:
Being a Christian mean one is Christlike

no!
Don't be confused by that faulty acertion, no one is like Christ and no one can be like Christ.
1 John 1:8 if we say we do not commit sin then we are lairs

which you can't attain without asking his spirit to come into your life.

the holy spirit is only there to bear us witness that we are sons of God, it is not there to make us live like Christ by automatic default, and you get that holy spirit the moment you believe.

Jesus spoke to Nichodamus ....You must be Born Again.
If you beleive in Jesus christ, you will be saved. Was Nichodamus a Christian?

no!
He wasn't a Christian at that point even if he had believed. He will only become a Christian after Jesus Christ is resurrected, but before then he is born again simply because he believed.

Righteousness89:
[i]Being born into a Christian home does not guarantee you Eternal Life. Just like being a Pastor child does not give you a ticket to Eternal Life.

why do you say so?

" For GOD so Loved the World that HE gave HIS only begotten son! That WHOSEVER Believes in HIM should not perish but have Eternal Life"

Heaven is a Personal Race.. it's not a community or Family Race.

the scripture you quoted did not indicate in anyway that heaven is a personal raise like the person will be in isolation running alone.
Yes, it is true that to accept Jesus or not is a personal decision. But that doesn't mean that the moment you have accepted him you are in isolation.
Christianity comprises a group of people who believed in Christ worldwide, every single one of them are saved based on their believe or faith.

Accepting JESUS CHRIST I.e being Born again

accepting Jesus Christ is not the same thing as being born again as it applies right now.
Yes, it is true that accepting Jesus Christ(being disciple of Jesus Christ) was the same thing as born again, that was before Jesus was crucified.

But the moment Jesus resurrected, even the disciples of John the Baptist were baptized Christians.

So, Christianity is open to anyone, so long you believe.

incogni2o:
What are you saying

I know a lot of people who weren't born into christian homes, they who were muslims and became born again.

point of correction : became Christians not born again.

They always seem to be better grounded in thier relationship with God than those born into christian homes.

true!
But not in all case

Being Born again refers to being spiritually reborn, not the physical birth my friend.

you didn't read your bible to draw this conclusion, just depending on what people are saying.
Go back to your bible again.
Except a man be born again he cannot see the kingdom of God.
You know what that means?
It means except a man becomes Jesus disciple he cannot be part of what happened on the day of Pentecost in Acts 2:1-3 which was the beginning of Christianity on earth.

So, being born again was a state of discipleship where the disciples were never Christians, that was before the crucifixion of Christ.
It was very important that anyone who want to see the kingdom of God must go through that state first, that's why he said accept a man..

Have you ever wondered why many of us are Christians today believing in Christ? It is because we were privileged to born into Christian homes. Otherwise, we would have been Muslims or atheists or even African traditional idol worshippers etc and therefore we would have been tagged unbelievers.

But here is the thing, the very people Jesus referred to as born again in John 3:3 were never Christians, they were only disciples at that time.
Most of them were born of parents who practiced Judaism so they were never privileged to be called Christians.

Jesus Christ says, the least person in God's kingdom is greater than they.

So, incase you are still referring to yourself as born again, you are only belittling yourself

Amotolongbo:
what about his followers?

What will they possess?

poverty ofcourse

sexiestharam:
This question has left me wondering for months! No present day "Man of God" anywhere in the world saw the present pandemic coming this year. No single prophecy about it in their new year "predictions". All they care about now is their pockets so they propagate different conspiracy theories so their flocks would flood back to churches.
In the time of Elijah or even the Apostles, it was impossible that this would have happened without God showing it to them earlier.
Their lack of hearing from God about this virus gives room for concern.
Are they really men of God or god of men?

they are men of God who really don't know that in this new covenant, God don't want us to seek miracles and signs anymore. Rather, God want us to seek knowledge in science and educated enough to research and find vaccines for corona virus.
Also, the lockdown has proved that God isn't interested in church going, He want people to stay at home and worship him.

Righteousness89:
Replenishing the Earth does not grant one eternal life! Accepting JESUS CHRIST is what grants one eternal life. How will the people Hear except there be a preacher?

Accepting JESUS CHRIST IS Key! It is the Gateway to The Most Important which is Eternal Life. It is also the gateway to other things. And Even if the other things don't come, You are Guaranteed Eternal Life!

ok

Righteousness89:
They Both are important and vital.

that's very true

If we are to go for which is more Important! Spreading the Gospel of JESUS CHRIST Comes first!

why?

A Person who Replenishes the Earth and does not Accept JESUS CHRIST is Wnd in Hell!

true!

A Person who Accepts JESUS Christ and dies not Marry have Children Makes Heaven..

if a person accept Jesus Christ, does that benefit another person who is need of food to eat?
How?

A lot of people consider preaching the gospel as their greatest calling, but should that be the case?
Preaching the gospel involves any means of circulating the gospel of Christ such that, the whole world is becoming aware of Christ and more people are accepting him. This means may include verbal preaching in churches, mass media such as Television, Radio and life broadcast streaming of messages through the internet, sharing of hand bills, etc. The primary aim of preaching and circulating the gospel of Christ is to reconcile man to God, and to restore the eternal life that was once lost through the sin of Adam and Eve. 1 Corinthians 15:22.
But before the fall of Adam and Eve, God gave Adam a calling, a mandate which is :

Genesis 1:28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, AND REPLENISH THE EARTH.. .

WHAT DOES IT MEAN TO REPLENISH THE EARTH? In this context, the word replenish means to restore, repair or build what has been destroyed. It follows that, due to the fall of Adam and Even this world was heading for destruction. Matthew 13:28.
But Christ's resurrection restored back the life in man and hope of building this a world into a better place. 1 Corinthians 15:22.
Today by default, we all are directly or indirectly involved in the process of building this world into a better place as our first priority by way of engaging into various carriers and professions, THEREFORE REPLENISHING THIS EARTH IS YOUR GREATEST CALLING.

DOES WINNING SOULS ALSO INVOLVES REPLENISHING THE EARTH?
Well, some folks says winning souls for Christ also involves having people repent from their evil ways as repentance makes these people to stop committing sin thereby making this world a better place, and i agree with them to some extent. But I'm quick to point out to them that, if you repent of your evil ways that does not guarantee your salvation, therefore winning souls for Christ has nothing to do with repentance and replenishing this world into a better place which is our first priority.

Anyone irrespective of who you are, whether you believe in Christ or not,you can repent of your sin even without the gospel or without Christ. But your salvation will depend on whether you believe in Christ or not. John 14:16

When will the Nigerian government start sanctioning churches, mosques and shrines that passing wrong information?

Irresponsible government!

sighting:
I have been praying for a period of time now particularly in the midnight on some particular requests but I have not yet gotten answers and I think I'm getting wearied of kneeling down to pray again.I have confessed my sins I don't know what else to do.I need the hand of God i need him.will I ever get answers

it depend on what you are asking.
Hope you are not asking for castles in the air?
Because, praying effectively requires that one should be realistic in his request, not asking for mansions but meanwhile, he is not earning money.
And also, an effective prayer requires that the person should work for what he is requesting and not sleeping waiting for God to do miracle.

James 2:18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.

Kobojunkie:
46 commands in one scripture? Sorry, CONTEXT matters! That is why you gain a lot more from reading to whole book. I mean I assume you have been a "Christian" for more than a minute now. If you had no idea what the commands were to this point, what do you think makes you even a "Christian"? Your claim that you are saved?

Here's what John the apostle said of those who do not even Obey Jesus' commandS.

ok, thank you.
I already know who you are

Kobojunkie:
Yes, the gospels of Christ

I say one scripture of the gospel.

Not according to me, according to Christ, the one who is His are those who OBEY HIS COMMANDMENTS.

I am backing all this with Scripture... start by reading the book of Matthew, as you would any other book, paying close attending to the words and COMMANDS of Christ. You will find that He did not simply speak so you could have verses you can cut-and-paste on chat forums. No His words were details of the COVENANT (The blessings, curses, commandments -- the truth)which HE came to bring us

It's ok, thank you

Kobojunkie:
That is not why Jesus emphasized the keeping of his commandments. Jesus brought to man a new covenant and part of that covenant are about 46 commands that those who make the contract with Him are required to OBEY. Even if you are willing to die like the disciples and apostles of the first age did, you still need to OBEY those commandments for you to be a recipient of that covenant that Jesus represents.

The commandments of Christ are not simply the same thing as Love your neighbor as yourself! I suggest you go back to the gospels and read each book paying attention to the commandments of Christ. There are about 46 of them, and you best get to learning what they are and how you can begin to incorporate them into your so-called Christian life, if you really intend to partake of the covenant that is Jesus.

Be reminded that our righteousness(not just the righteousness of the ones we like to call sinners/unbelievers) is nothing but filthy rags as far as God is concerned. So be sure that without first becoming a follower of Christ, your show of love to anyone equates to the love shown by an atheist to their fellow man....:-/

Since this is about those who claim to be believers, there are those who are genuine and fake Christians.
1 John 2 vs 3-5 tells you that those who do not OBEY CHRIST's COMMANDS are liars(the fakes).

I have two questions to ask;
1. Is there any scripture that shows the 46 commands of Jesus? Mention atleast one of such scripture, I want to see the content of it.
2. To you, who is a Christian and how is Christian different from an unbeliever? (Back your answers with scriptures)

Kobojunkie:
Yes, believe in the one who He, God, hath sent, and that includes doing what He tells you to do. But Jesus told you what It would take for you to even become His follower. If you refuse to do what He, Jesus, tells you to do, does that then mean you have believed in the one that God sent?

The work of believing the one that God sent you involves you actually OBEYING THE COMMANDS of the one that God sent.
In the old testament, God called on his people to OBEY HIS COMMANDS, and we all know how that went. So in the NT, God sends Jesus Christ and asks you to believe on him. And then Jesus tells you that if you love Him, you will OBEY HIS COMMANDS.

Sure, who ever believes in HIM, and HIM being Jesus then tells you that if you love me, YOU WILL OBEY MY COMMANDMENTS. Isn't it amazing! And there are about 46 of those commandments for you to obey you know.

But back to the original question, Jesus never said that if you only believe in Him, you will be one of His. Confessing our sins to him is not even one of his commands, so why do we continue to do that which have no bearing to His truth?

actually, there are targets or aims to achieve in everything we do, that is life for you.
There is an ultimate aim for believing in Christ and that is eternal life. John 3:16
There is another aim or reasons why we should keep the commandments which is totally different from eternal life and that has nothing to do with eternal life, but rather, it guarantee success and a better and happy living on this earth. That's why Jesus Christ emphasized on keeping the commandments which is the same thing as love your neighbour as yourself. That certainly will never take anyone to eternal life when they die, but it only guarantee a better and happy life on this earth.

Even unbelievers who don't believe in Christ when they keep these commandments they will live happily, but that doesn't mean they are saved into eternal life when they die.

Having said that, there is nothing like a genuine or fake Christian. Infact, every Christians commit sin, but that doesn't mean they are sinners in the eyes of God.
But guess who is a sinner in the eyes of God?
That person who refuses to believe that Jesus is the Christ, no matter what good he does he is sinner until he believes.

desiredhome:
Yes .... Should we continue in sin that grace may abide...He says God forbids it....,

For whatsoever a man sows so shall he reap.....
It says we should continue in our good works so that our tommorow will be great
Grace does not erase the consequences of your wickedness/sin

exactly

desiredhome:
The Bible is clear on righteousness, when you live a Christian(righteous) life you are a light...

yes, that is true

No body is perfect as far as we are living but there is conscience in Everyman so that when you sin you will know
Today there are deliberate sin/wickedness in the name of grace......

you are perfectly right!
And those who deliberately sin or do wickedness in the name of Grace will also face the wrath of the law like anyone else, grace cannot save them.

Christthesaviour:
"Not every one that saith to me lord, lord shall enter into the kingdom of heaven but they that doeth the will of my father." I KNOW U KNOW WHO SAID THAT.

the scripture was not directed to Christians, Infact, there is nothing like Christianity as at the time Jesus said this. There were people who called Jesus Lord, Lord and were his disciple, but they never ended up becoming Christians in the book of Act 2:1-4, because many of these disciples ran away the moment Jesus was about to be crucified.

desiredhome:
If you are a Christian you must be Christ-like else you are not a Christian
Mathew 5:16
In the same way, let your light shine before others, so that they may see your good works and give glory to your Father who is in heaven .

the scripture you quoted does not support what you are saying that it is a must or do you see that it is must there?

It says let your light so shine before men, it didn't put any condition that you must shine your light before men, otherwise there is no eternal life for you.

Saying it is must, you are making it conditional. The love of Christ is not conditional, he gave his gift of righteousness freely to as may that believes.

Kobojunkie:
But Jesus Christ never said all you have to do to simply believe for you to be his follower.

John 6:29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye BELIEVE on him whom he hath sent.

So, the only work you will do for you to have eternal life is to believe, that's all.

John 3:16 ...whoever BELIEVES in him should not perish but have eternal life

He never even said you had to confess your sins... men came up with that one.

exactly!
But it is good to confess your sins to men as a sign of repentance, but that isn't a criteria to have eternal life, the only criteria is to believe.

Christthesaviour:
Happy sunday guys,you know,everything that has original also has a fake,so i'm creating this thread agains sunday.
who is a christian? a christian is one who is christlike in nature, one who identify himself with christ and have made christ lord over his life.
There are over 2.5 billion people who profess to be christians today.
but seriously out of this number some are only pretending to be a christians but they are not accepted by God.
Many nairalanders thinks going to church,paying tithes and bearing christian names qualifies you to be a christian,but no! it doesn't many nairalanders still post insultive comments,despise government,wished evil on mods who ban them,well if you are still living in sin great or little,you are not a christian.
if you want to be a christian you must ask for grace from God to be one.
Christians are:
Loving
Kind
gentle
humble
peaceful
generous
cheerful
and most of all holy.
if you don't posses all these,u are not christlike and certainly not a christian.

there is nothing like a genuine or fake Christian.
Anyone who believes in Christ is a Christian and anyone who doesn't believe is not a Christian.

There is nothing like christ-like or I'm like Christ, everyone commit sin whether you believe or not.

Eulalia:
Maybe you need to work on your complexes or better still, give your life to Christ so you can have rest of mind.

Shalom.

dont quote me again o, except you are ready to point out what i said that warranted you to say what you said at the screen shot below.

It seems some of you don't know how to address people politely.

Even if i said something wrong will you not draw my attention into it and say i have said something wrong?

Mdmelijah:
Yes, except he divorce her or dies

OK,
You are saying except the man divorce the woman the woman shouldn't divorce the man no matter what the man has done?

Eulalia:
Oh... But when you were wishing me that, you didn't realize it was a hateful thing. Now it redirected at you and you're spitting venom and condemnation. I know your type. You can never box me into a corner. Ok?
I still repeat, that which you wish me, will be your lot! Perceive it any way you want.

Good day!

you miss understood me!
I didn't wish you that you will marry a terrible born again person i don't know what you are thinking
I was telling you that there are terrible people out there who claimed to be born again perhaps you were doubting if there is anyone like that.

Don't allow this hatred for people you perceived not to be born again to consume you, be careful

Eulalia:
And I repeat, such a day will never come to pass in my life rather it is YOU! Who will experience such in Jesus name.
Amen.

Why are you bittered and being hateful?
Now your true color is coming out, no more born again pretence

For your info, I'm already married with two kids, i love my wife so much and i have absolutely no reason to divorce her

HeavenlyHolines:
Well,I can't force u. What I told u is a fact not an assumption. I have taught in within n outside the country n I know the implications of such. If u believe in divorce and remarry when the spouse is still alive no problem. I will stick to the bible

a fact that all foster parents are hostile to children which are not their own?
ahh! that is a wrong excuse for not doing what is right Bro, you can't generalize and conclude that way.
OK, what about people who go to orphanage homes to adopt children which are not their own are all of them hostile to the children simply because they didn't give birth to them?

I assume you are a pastor, please tell your people the truth.

Eulalia:
Such a day will never come.

dont worry, it's just a matter of time. Just grow up first

Eulalia:
Exactly. A real born again should have a forgiving heart. True.

the day you will come across one terrible born again that day you will know.
You think it's by born again?

HeavenlyHolines:
I can tell you the danger of divorce or remarriage when the former spouse is still alive and the aftermath action or reactions that's what God is looking at and what God sees and know his beyond us because the evil will start from the heart. Same reason while God also warn us from polygamy. The effect it will have on the ex, the children n the society. It breeds emotional trauma, hatred, animosity, evil thoughts, division even in the church etc.

no!
You are terribly wrong.

Not all foster parents adopting children of the ex-wife or husband can be hostile to the children, there are very loving foster parents infact some of them can be more caring than the so called biological parents.

So, that your assumption is not of God.