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Kalatium:
IS BREAK DANCE AND RAPPING IN CHURCH SINFUL

no!

African traditional dance is not sinful as well

GENUINEFILMS:
repent

the kingdom of God is not near anymore, the kingdom of God is now, please don't take us backward

CodeTemplar:
Rabble rouser. Continue....

always looking for excuses to avoid the issue
Continue..

CodeTemplar:
Going by the bold, it is clear you have no contact with the church, only social media rumours and speculations.

ok,
until one have contact with the church he will not know about testimonies concerning soul winning which should be the number 1 priority of Christians, yet without having contact with the church everyone knows all the testimonies involving financial break throughs of members broadcasted by the church?
Could this not be a strategy to attract more people from other churches to winners chapel all to make more money from tithes and offerings?

This is how it works:
If the church today had steaked to their primary calling of winning the souls of Muslims and other non Christians into God's kingdom, teach believers how to live like Christ,free as many that understand how to live rightly in order to discongest the church population and broadcast the goodnews of the number of Muslims and non Christians who have accepted Christ for everyone to hear in stead of broadcasting testimonies of breakthrough that anyone can achieve just to attract Christians of other sects, the church wouldn't have accumulated so much wealth for themselves, there will be no need for the government to now come in to interfer on the church finances since there are no accumulation of wealth and nobody will criticize the church for anything.

Now, that the church have accumulated this wealth and the government is coming in, then they don't have any say because they called for it in the first place.

CodeTemplar:
Leaving Islam is punishable by death so don't expect them to announce such.

punishable by death at ota, ogun state?
How many many Christians who were once Muslims or atheists or African traditional worshippers in Canaan land, ota,Ogun state have ever come out to give testimonies that they were once practicing so so religion but now, they are Christians?
None!

All the testimonies at Canaan land and all the churches in nigeria are :-
I was once poor but God gave me financial break through as if non Christians do not have financial break through too
I was barren for six months but God gave me twins as if non Christians do not have this same testimony too
I was looking for a visa to travel abroad, but God gave me visa as if non Christians do not have visa too

Is that the purpose of Christianity?

May be the government should also regulate church activities too, because it seems pastors don't know what they should be doing

allthingsgood:
What I don't understand is why oyedepo is always fighting Nigerian govt but willingly submits to UK govt and other foreign national why his church is domiciled?

to him UK government are white people while Nigerian government are black people like him

Also more importantly why does Nigerian pastors always threaten anybody that dissents with spiritual curse?? Any explanation pls

ignorance of scriptures on the side of these pastors

Hmmm!
One of the records is showing that out of £19,023,000 only £517,000 was designated for charity and humanitarian purposes?

This is wicked

The woman is right and Oyedepo is wrong in this one. JESUS HIMSELF EVEN GAVE CAESAR WHAT BELONGS SO CAESAR so why is oyedepo complaining?

I have been saying it, the concept witchcraft Africans believe do not exist. Perhaps they are just mere organization or clubs that do not have any supernatural power but are not allowed to practice openly due to tradition. Example is Ogboni

By being vocal instead of living the life of Christ?
Who cares about your vocals and your street madness?

Juliusmomoh:
U don start ur own abi

no!
I'm telling you the truth and i will prove it, if you are intelligent enough to think, thing along with this.

1 Corinthians 15:35 But some man will say, HOW ARE THE DEAD RAISED UP? and with what body do they come?

Through out the whole of the remaining verses including verse 52 that people thought it was explaining rapture explained how the dead is been raised, not rapture.

1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 is repetition of 1 Corinthians 15:52 saying the same thing which still resurrection of the dead, but it's been explained figuratively like a parable.

Matthew 24:41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

This is a prophecy of prophet Daniel quoted by Jesus to his disciples that explains what will happen when Jesus himself will come to earth to be crucified which has happened already, 2000 years ago, For instance,

Matthew 4:21 And going on from thence, he saw other two brethren, James the son of Zebedee, and John his brother, in a ship with Zebedee their father, mending their nets; and he called them.
Matthew 4:22 And they immediately left the ship and their father, and followed him.

This correlate with what prophet Daniel was trying to explain that it will happen before the Messiah will be crucified mentioned by Jesus in Matthew 24:41.(take note that the Pharisees had refused to believe that Jesus was the Messiah so they were left behind)
You can see that the two sons of Zebedee were taken while their father Zebedee himself was left behind

You can see now that what you people called rapture happened 2000 years ago

Juliusmomoh:
I know there is rapture... But the way he explain it.

he cannot possibly explain what is a huge contradiction to scriptures.
All those scriptures he quoted were all pointing at resurrection of the dead, not rapture.
There is nothing like rapture in the bible, God is not mocked, this earth we are living now is forever, eternity is now.

Righteousness89:
2Peter 3:3-4
3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,
4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.

if you had truly read the whole of your bible and draw a conclusion you will understand that this scripture is trying to point to you that Christ has been coming since the fathers of that time this scripture was documented fell sleep(meaning, they died at old age)

I have been telling you that anytime anyone dies Christ has come to judge that person, therefore Christ has been coming since 2000 years ago and he is still coming till today, everyday and forever.

Hebrews 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

What you cannot think to understand you can't understand, that's why will continue to come to nairaland to spill your confusion

Calm Down! Humble yourself and Accept Jesus Christ.

your telling me i should accept Christ is the product of that your confusion which you can't understand simple scriptures because I have accepted Christ already.

If you Miss Heaven.... you Can't Miss Hell!

that was suppose to be told to Muslims, atheists, idolists, Buddhists, etc. Otherwise, there is a huge fault in the Christianity you practice, Christ is not divided.

Juliusmomoh:
Am confuse.....

dont mind the guy, he is confused more than you are.

Which rapture they bible

Kobojunkie:
But the parable you quoted there says nothing about the earth being restored to Adamic times

what do you mean by Adamic times?
We are in our current era and eternal life has been restored to man just like the way it was before Adam and Eve sinned.
There is nothing like going back to Adamic times

and it does not in anyway say that the wheat will all be alive at the time of the harvest.

very true!
The parable was not interpreted but when you follow the way Jesus interpreted other of his parables you will get what it means.
And morever, the aim of the parable was to describe God's kingdom that's why jesus started by saying The kingdom of heaven is likened unto...
And you already know that the aim of God's kingdom is to resurrect believers so that they will be alive again after they die, so with that, one can deduce that the wheat represent believers who are preserved to live forever while the tare represent unbelievers who are condemned to die forever and will not be resurrected, since both believers and unbelieves are found living together on this field called the earth, there will be separation.

Kobojunkie:
According to Jesus Christ Himself, Doctrines and traditions of men are lies that nullify the very power of God in the setting it is applied or believed.

** substituted from another Bible translation for better understanding of what is impacted

As far as the Gospel is concerned, all that is meaninglessness(see the passage above). But the questions I asked,

exactly!

But if you carefully re-examine the verse in context, you will see that Paul never stated that the earth had been restored.. No, he could not have said such since he, Paul, is not God to make such a declaration on behalf of God.

Paul don't need to say that. And that doesn't mean the earth has not been restored.
Now look at this parable :

Matthew 13:24 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field:
25 But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way.
26 But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also. 27 So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares?
28 He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?

Take note of this response


29 But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.
30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

Note that the field itself (representing the earth) was not destroyed but only the tares were separated from the wheat and destroyed

Kobojunkie:
Why do you assume because they are not dead but living, they are here on earth, alive?

This is the reason and it's not assumption, it is scriptural.

Revelation 21:24 And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it(the kingdom of God or heaven): and THE KINGS OF THE EARTH do bring their glory and honour into it.

take note of the phrase THE KINGS OF THE EARTH.

if heaven isn't located here on this earth how then will the king of the earth bring their glory to it?

Note: the book of revelation is the final description of how heaven will be.

Jesus Christ also rose from the dead too, but He is not here on earth, yet He lives.

So, why do you submit that the others are 'living alive on earth'?

1. Firstly, Jesus Christ is God and he isn't man so he exist as spirit while every believer(men)exist in this physical
2. Secondly, Jesus Christ lives in us

2 Corinthians 13:5 .....Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?

If Jesus Christ lives in you and you are on earth, then Jesus Christ is also on earth in you. So, it is wrong to say Jesus Christ is not here on earth.

How many times have they been 'resurrected' since their original deaths.

there are no counts

John 10:10 .....I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.

So the number of life or grace is abundant, there are no counts and it will last this way forever except the believer deviate from his faith in Christ at any point in his abundant life which will be very difficult.

Or are the new bodies eternal?

no!
The new body dies, but the life is eternal.

1 Corinthians 15:42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption(dead)....

So, the body must die first.
And immediately after death, the soul will resurrect with another body which cannot be recognized. Remember, even Jesus was not recognized by his disciples after he resurrected.

1 Corinthians 15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

If so, how come we have not spotted so many people living for many centuries on this earth that we live in?

because unbelievers who died did not resurrect, and believers who resurrected have come to fill the space, and a balance is created.
You will notice that we have more believers now compared to how it was in the past.

Does Abraham know who he is in his new body?

no!
He will not possibly know.

2 Corinthians 5:17 ....old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

I am guessing the body is some sort of disguise for him, but the mind remains intact? But you tell me.

the mind is part of the body and will be totally formatted like a memory card at death.

Context is really key when considering the meaning contained in Bible verses...

you asked a set of valid intelligent questions here I must commend you

Kobojunkie:
Living forever even now here on earth? CHEEZUS!!
Where is Peter, Paul and co. then?

this is the same question that Jesus was asked.

The multitude were also astonished of Jesus doctrine too
It's suprising!

Matthew 22:32 I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.

This means Abraham, Isaac and Jacob were not dead but were still alive on earth as at the time Jesus was talking to the multitude

When Jesus said God is the God of the living, he truly meant living people that were living alive on earth.
So, how come the multitude did not see Abraham, Isaac and Jacob physically among them?
[quote]How come no one has seen them since their ETERNAL sentence began right here on earth 2000 year ago? :x

because their body has changed?
They were given new body after they resurrected

1 Corinthians 15:38 But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body.

Kobojunkie:
I don't understand what you mean by the above.

there is this inherent human nature that aways make us to feel that our state of spirituality where we are is better than others, and we feel very satisfied to remind ourselves of that.
It is that same nature that has
made some Christians today to develop certain doctrines saying if other set of Christians don't stop committing sin like they do, or keep to certain laws and beliefs governed by the doctrines of their beliefs, they will not make heaven.
For instance, some Christians believe that if all Christians fail to dress modestly, then they are not Christians and they will not make heaven.

As a matter of fact, Paul in the bible condemned Peter for imposing circumcision law of the Jews to gentile believers for them to be saved, But meanwhile we are justified by our faith, not by doctrines and laws.

This is how doctrines can make one not to be happy or appreciate that others are saved.
When a doctrine is making you to believe that salvation is coming in the future meanwhile your salvation is now, is that not a terrible setback due to misinformation?
That is what these jw people and most Christians are doing today

But that only applies to those who accept Jesus Christ, the New Covenant. Acceptance means obedience to the Contract stipulations as far as becoming a follower of Jesus Christ and remaining in Jesus Christ's love is concerned.

yes!
That's why i said it is Christians that are doing fellow Christians.
There is this inherent nature of humans dominating and controlling fellow humans to dance to their tune of doctrine
Deeper life will say they are better than winners, Jehovah witness will say they are better than Catholics.
What the nonsense!

The earth has been restored back to the way it was before Adam sinned. Where do you get this from?

1 Corinthians 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

Maximus69:
Fully understood Sir!

no, you understand nothing sir, sorry to say!

You can live forever should that be your problem?

These Jw people sef with their misplaced priority

In this 21th century when people are bringing solutions to economic problems of the world your priority is to live forever in another world?

Very ridiculous !

Maximus69:
OK Sir, do enjoy your freedom!

I know that a lot of you Christians are not happy that Christ has made people free. It is your doctrine that is causing it.

But know that through Adam sin came to this world, and through Christ sin has been taken away 2000 years ago.

Some of you saying Satan is the one controling this world you are just deceiving yourselves.

All power has been given to you.

This earth has been restored back to the way it was before Adam sinned and there is no going back.

This earth will remain forever.
If you are not enjoying your life it is your own doing, not God.

Maximus69:
Our market people done return!

yes!
When you tell people the truth it will make them free.

There is absolutely nothing in religion, just live your life and be free

The point is, right from the moment Jesus Christ resurrected 2000 years ago all believers have been living forever on this earth.
Eternity started 2000 years ago, no other eternity.

John 6:47 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.

Not he that believeth in me will have everlasting life in the future.
Salvation is now!

Christians should go about their normal functions on this earth knowing that they already have everlasting life in them and they are living forever here on this earth, don't be distracted by all these rapture end-time fake story which will never come because there are no scriptures supporting it.

And any JW telling you that you are not living forever today, you will live forever in the future, tell them they lied, they are trying make you believe that you don't have what you already have.

Alexgman1:
Have being a christian all my life, attended several churches & denominations. Have come to realise that in some churches women dont cover their hair at all from beginning to the end of the service. While some churches are very strict with hair covering when coming to their church. I really want to know what the bible says concerning the issue of hair covering by women in the church or when praying. Why are some churches taking covering of hair while in service serious & some are less bothered or concerned about it?

if you stay in your house nobody will bother you about whether you cover your hair or not. It is in church that men will postulate doctrines that will always reduce women before them.
What is covering of hair and how many women that one help?

petra1:
Wrong

1 Corinthians 5:4
In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ,

Hebrews 10:25
not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as is the manner of some,

1 Corinthians 16:2
Every Sunday each of you make an offering and put it in safekeeping. Be as generous as you can. When I get there you'll have it ready, and I won't have to make a special appeal.

I say God is not interested in church gathering.
Church gathering will only benefit us, not God.

Wetin God won use your gathering in a building do?

John 4:21 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father.

Matthew 24:2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

Infact, God is not interested in what you do in this physical life because he is a spirit, and you must worship him in spirit not in physical building or gathering

You should also remember that God is not interested in church gathering

So, it is because she is a member of mfm that's why she had the bravery?

Una don start again

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