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MuttleyLaff:
"¹⁵"Beware of false prophets who come disguised as harmless sheep but are really vicious wolves.
²¹“Not everyone who calls out to me, ‘Lord! Lord!’ will enter the Kingdom of Heaven.
Only those who actually do the will of my Father in heaven will enter.
²²On judgment day many will say to me,
‘Lord! Lord! We prophesied in your name and cast out demons in your name
and performed many miracles in your name.’
²³But I will reply, ‘I never knew you.
Get away from me, you who break God’s laws.’"
- Matthew 7:15, 21-23

Open criticism is better than unexpressed love
- Proverbs 27:5

you are on point bro

oyeludef:
have you heard of Apostle Joshua Selman Nimmak? He is a very young minister but the Holy Spirit is really using him. Raw power of God demonstrated in his ministry every fellowship day

where is he?
Uk?

When you go to churches these days you hardly see pastors performing miracles to set themselves approved that they were truly called by God.
We have read how some folks were purnished for mere criticizing moses and Elijah in the bible but that is not the case today with pastors Adeboye, Adefarasin, Funke, Ashimolowo, oyedepo,and their families whom daddy freeze has tacked with criticism day and night and nothing is happening to him.

All you see in churches these days is fire prayer (or die by fire prayer)or some faking miracles displayed by some actors in the pulpit.
Was that supposed to be the power?

Vizzy4u:
3 EPL TITLES. Idiot. ALL current EPL Managers combine no reach am alone. Respect! Respect! Respect!

that one is past tense!!!

No respect for the fake coach who is deceiving the world . He must be sacked to portugal to square one.

who nor fit win titles with the quality players he has made his employers to give to him at the times he was winning titles?

David moyes would have won 5 EPL if he had his kind of players, he is boasting of only 3

LesbianBoy:
What is all these?

2 - 0

your coach is specialist in failure

Insult my daddy i nor dey vex.

But nor insult my mummy o, or i go come for you

Shelumiel:
Who said anything about idea ? Did you not read my last post which made mention of the word "experience "? Is experience now synonymous with idea ? Mtchww....daft fellow

you are absolutely bush man o.
so you cannot get an idea from your whatever foolish experience?

when them say go school una go dey play.

rubbish

Gggg102:
all Christian giving should be willing and cheerful. not coerced or forced or obligatory. not because you are manipulated into giving.

if you want to give 10% every month, it should be because of personal conviction.

givers were compelled to believe that if they dont give 10 percent they are robbing God, that can never be a cheerful giving no matter how the giver sees it

Shelumiel:
It is foolishness to talk without having knowledge of experience. The OP here is just talking according to his own narrow-minded view about tithe; not generally accepted truth oga mumu

what if the generally accepted truth is not truth.

Just because an idea is generally accepted does not mean that the idea is true

Shelumiel:
Those of us who pay are not complaining; so why should you complain for us ? Mtchww

who is complaining for you or did the op mentioned your names in the post talkless of complaining for you?

There are good number of people who still pay tithe who will see this thread but they will never say it is complaining for them and they will walk away without making a comment

I understand where you are coming from.

Its people like you who just accepted that tithing is fake deep within you ,but because you have not yet recovered from that shock,and in a bid to register your hatred to the op for making you feel bad by revealing the truth which you now know about the fake tithing, that is what has stimulated you to comment rubbish on the thread.
Otherwise you had the option of passing way without saying anything and continue with your tithing.

Mumu

This is an unsual pastor who is good at heart, unlike those other popular ones

bloodofthelamb:
Why should I learn how to dance shaku shaku? Also, what is the meaning of shaku shaku?

shaku shaku is a traditional hip hop dance widely accepted among the yorubas.
It may be shaku shaku or something else, you just have to learn how to dance something for the fun of life.

If you are listening to gospel music only, it is very bad .
How can you possibly know how to dance shaku shaku?

Hier:
If any man be in Christ, he is a new creation. can I say from the above that, if a man gives his life to Christ, he's a new human being

No!
Which new human being?

He continues commit sin and keep bearing the consequences.

But that notwithstanding, he is a new creature in the spirit and not in this physical or present life thats what it means. Old things will only pass away when the individual dies, at that point of his death his present suffering becomes the old things and the suffering ends or pass away when he dies, after which all things becomes new again as he comes back to live again as new born baby here on earth. 1 timothy 2:15.

Therefore death is benefial to every christian .

But while he is still alive before he dies, he must suffer the consequences of his actions(here on earth) if he was a bad christian. If he had commited sin unto death like armed robbery he will be killed for that as a believer but he is saved after his death.

Man is a Spirit, He has a Soul, he Lives in a body, you need to read up on that

very true!

This explains why christians lives forever(life without end) no matter what happens to them.

Hier:
Where is the reference for the introductory sentence

Colossians 1:13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

That means we have already been translated into his kingdom, we aint gonna be translated sometime in the future

Revelation 21:3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.

That also means heaven is already here.
So take your present life very seriously, it is the fullfilment of every prophesies of the bible.

MrPRevailer:
To God be the glory. This is magnificent!

Edit:
Pastor Kumuyi made it clear it not for a show of superiority but to give God a befitting monument as has been exemplified by Biblical characters. Take note, before reading odious comments down there.

it is ignorance to say he gave God this one. Does God dwell in buildings?
You people degraded God to be like man who likes beautiful buildings and God will continue to judge you nigerians with confusion except you repent

Scriptures confirm we are living in heaven on this earth there is no other heaven coming. And hell simiply means grave we all know what graves are, they are found in cemetaries. Knowing this have infact stimulated me to do good things more better than when i used to erroneously believe that some imaginary rapture or heaven is coming and hell is one imaginary fire burning people

So this is what buhari has used his four years tenure for?

To gather all the money in circulation in order
to rig election?

enilove:
No one is compelling you to be born again . Since you think the Bible was written for fun , there is no problem , continue with your worldliness .

The Bible did not say I should follow the pattern of life of Oyedepo or Adeboye . It tells me to be a disciple of Christ :

John 8:31-32 KJV
Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;
[32] And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

The truth is in the word of God not in any man.

It is not education that makes one to be a true child of God but total obedience to the words of God.

When you die , your certificates die with you and it will not be required of you in heaven. The real certificate you need is , "your name in the book of life ".

Matthew 16:26 KJV
For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?

I don't boast about who I am or what I have acquired in life because all is vanity :

2 Corinthians 10:12 KJV
For we dare not make ourselves of the number, or compare ourselves with some that commend themselves: but they measuring themselves by themselves, and comparing themselves among themselves, are not wise.

Just to let you know ; My second son is in the last semester of his final academics year in the university.
I am an Accountant by profession and also a Certified information System Auditor . I got my first degree 24 years ago and other professional certificates few years after.
Even my father had a degree in purchasing and supply in London.

Based on the above , you should understand by now that I am in the position to tell you the truth regarding the gospel and other matters , since you suggested ,wrongly , that I should pursue an education .

Lastly ,
whatever name people like they can call us , it really does not matter , what matters is the name we call ourselves. I am proud to be a Nigerian and an African .
God did not make a mistake by creating Nigerians and Africans . I thank God for that.

Jesus the Great judge warned us by saying :

Matthew 5:48 KJV
Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

The same He told Abraham :

Genesis 17:1 KJV
And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the Lord appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am the Almighty God; walk before me, and be thou perfect.

Give your life to Christ and he shall perfect your imperfection and defects by his Power.

i should be the one to tell you to give your life to christ,It seems you are not a true christian .

True christians dont tell few christians to give their life to christ only fake christians do.

As i am seeing you so, you are heading to hell fire straight

True christians were suppose to tell muslims and people of other religions to give their life to christ.

Never in the bible was any christian told another christian to give their life to christ, there was no division in christianity from the beginning, it is this current day rubbish born again people thinking they are holier than others that are causing division.

Jehovah witnesses are saying they are the true christians, born again people are saying also they are the true christians,anyone believing in christ that is not like them should go to hell. Is that not ridiculous extremism?

Its like boko haram telling the rest of other islamic sects that if they dont kill people like the way they kill people they are not muslims.
Absolutely rubbish!
I'm just laughing at the level of your ignorance.

therefore you born again people are not different from jehovah witnesses, you better repent or you will see hell.

enilove:
The truth is , you are not a christian talkeless of being a baby christian.

You keep twisting the scriptures as if that will change the truth.

What makes you to think everyone commits sin ? A born again christian has crucified the flesh and has the power of the Holy Spirit to live above sin . It is because you have never at anytime been born again, that is why you feel or think Christians can sin and still make heaven .

Was it in vain that these scriptures were revealed ?

Romans 6:1-3,6 KJV
What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
[2] God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein? ( ARE YOU DEAD TO SIN ? )
[3] Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
[6] Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him , that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

ARE SINNERS NOT SERVING SIN ?

THIS IS AN ACCOUNT AFTER THE DEATH OF JESUS AND IT READS IN PRESENT CONTINUOUS TENSE . IT RELATES TO THOSE LIVING AFTER THE DEATH OF JESUS .

Revelation 22:11-15 KJV
He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.
[12] And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
[13] I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
[14] Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
[15] For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

WHEN DO YOU THINK SOMEONE LIKE PAUL COULD BE CAST AWAY ? HERE ON EARTH ?

1 Corinthians 9:26-27 KJV
I therefore so run, not as uncertainly; so fight I, not as one that beateth the air:
[27] But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.

If you think God is after human dating code of BC and AD , you are fooling yourself .

Jesus told us to be born again and his preaching was all about repentance .
If you love your soul , you better repent and discard this SATANIC MESSAGE you were taught and be born again.

LASTLY , MEDITATE ON THESE DIVINE EVIL PROPHESY, BEFORE IT GETS TOO LATE FOR YOU :

Matthew 7:21-23 KJV
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
[22] Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
[23] And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

JESUS WOULD SAY HE NEVER KNEW THEM ON THE JUDGEMENT DAY FOR ONE REASON , "WORKS OF INIQUITIES"

It is only Christians who use the name of Jesus to prophesy and cast out demons , not Pharisees or unbelievers.

what??
Do you say there are people who dont commit sin?
Can you see that what you call truth in africa can never be accepted as a started in more educated and developed societies?

I can see you have a very long way to go

If i am twisting scriptures how will you possibly understand the twist to know whether i was right or wrong at any point?
Now, you want to twist it that there are people who are righteous?
What a rubbish, even a kid will not listen to that.

Contrary to that your opinion, anyone saying i am born again have declared that he is very evil at heart,Do you think eveything that glitters is gold?

It seems you are easily deceived

Have you ever wondered why you will never make sense to sensible christians or anyone who thinks critically and understand on this platform? I have been watching you and i have already rated born again people like you as the very corrupt nigerians
Or are the adeboyes, kumuyi and the oyedepos and the olukoyas not the same people we know, these yoruba men?

You funny o

You nigerians fall for anything, these pastors are not different from low class people when they travel to other countries
When you hear that nigeria is very corrupt nation it is because more than 75% nigerian christians including our terrible pastors claim to be born again.
Every politician i have ever come accross who are christians all go to church, pray in tongues and are fervent in the spirit. But.. ..

You know that? Born again people are terribly disgusting all of them. Because like the pharisees, they think they are holy.

Holy my foot.

I will only advice you, humble yourself and pursue education!
So that by the time you pick up your bible to read again after 3 to 4 years in a good school(not the kind of sub standard schools found in nigeria o) then you can clearly see what jesus meant by born again to nicodemus .

Because it will take another 15 years from now(if you are interested to even read at all)for people of your type to fully understand bible and see what the british saw in it before embarking on a missionary work in africa.

No wonder africans are described as black monkeys

enilove:
Matthew 5:20,27-29,31-32 KJV
For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter ENTER INTO THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN.

jesus christ made this statement before he was crucified i have already said this before, i dont need to repeat myself telling you that every event before the book of act including the matthew 5:20 you quoted(which was after his resurrection) was before the kingdom of God. Have you heard of BC and AD? what do they mean to you?

WHOSE RIGHTEOUSNESS SHOULD EXCEED THOSE OF THE PHARISEES?
Christians or others ?

his disciples!!
His disciples righteousness needed to exceed those of the scribes and pharisees before they can enter the kingdom which was ahead of them as they were following christ to jerusalem where he was to be crucified to bring down the kingdom on earth so that they can enter(i am using a lay man terms here).
and that will only happen when they believe in christ(because it was not possible for them to follow or be disciples to whom they did not believe him in), therefore they did not exceed the righteousness of the scribes and pharisees by their self righteousness but by the righteousness of faith in christ.

The righteousness of the scribes and pharisees was to keep the law of the moses. But there was a righteousness through faith in christ that was not in anyway depend on the law of moses. That was the righteousness that exceeds the righteousness of the pharisees which christ wanted to give to them. Remember, he told the samaritan woman whoever drink of this water i will give, he shall never be thirsty again.

Before you conclude , read these scriptures , it is for your sake.

whatever you mean by for your sake is only subjected to you.

[27] Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:
[28] But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
[29] And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.
[31] It hath been said, Whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorcement:
[32] But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.

he was simply paraphrasing or quoting out the law of moses to them, he said all these laws of moses to them before he was crucified, which should tell you that the crucifixion has nothing to do with the law.
The crucifixion is the crucifixion, the law is the law. They are two different thing and they have nothing to do with each other. Romans 11:6

Christians are expected to be free from sins :
Romans 6:1-2,6,12,23 KJV
What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
[2] God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
[6] Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him , that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
[12] Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.
[23] For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

you are right here. But in the real sense everyone commit sin knowingly or unknowingly.

EVEN PAUL KNEW HE COULD BE A A CAST AWAY ON THE JUDGEMENT DAY IF HE ALLOWED SIN IN HIS LIFE :
1 Corinthians 9:26-27 KJV
I therefore so run, not as uncertainly; so fight I, not as one that beateth the air:
[27] But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.

there is no where in this scriture you quoted that indicate that paul meant CAST AWAY ON THE JUDGEMENT DAY is there anything like that?

You have to be very accurate the way you interprete scriptures and be sincere to yourself.

enilove:
1 Corinthians 15:50 KJV
Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

You are a flesh and blood and cannot inherit it until your death, neither can any sinner inherit it , according to the above Scriptures.

according to that scripture, corruption does not implies sinners. Corruption is the same thing as saying decomposition or decay of the body when humans die, it literally means death while incorruptions means life.
Neither do death inherit life.

There is nothing sinner or righteous person there.

It started with Jesus here on earth and will completed in heaven after his second coming :

Philippians 1:6 KJV
Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:

Matthew 25:14,19 KJV
For the kingdom of heaven is as a man travelling into a far country, who called his own servants, and delivered unto them his goods.
[19] After a long time the lord of those servants cometh, and reckoneth with them.

Read also ,Luke 19:11-27 KJV.

That man in that parable was Jesus who came from far country (heaven) and called his servants ( his disciple , you and I ) and deliver unto them his goods ( earthly resources for his second coming).
After a long time ( Not immediately after his death ) . Long time after souls would have been gained for His second coming .

THE DISCIPLES KNEW THEY HAD NOT ENTER INTO THE KINGDOM OF GOD HERE ON EARTH :

Acts 14:22 KJV
Confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that WE must through much tribulation ENTER into the kingdom of God.

THAT WAS WHY JESUS TALK ABOUT A "WAY", BECAUSE IT IS A JOURNEY:

Matthew 7:13-14 KJV
Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: [14] Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the WAY, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

you are very correct here

THE BIBLE MAKES US TO UNDERSTAND THAT NO SINNER WILL INHERIT THE KINGDOM OF GOD.
Jesus said :
Revelation 21:7-8 KJV
He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son. [8] But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

have you seen how judgement was described in revelation?
The criteria for salvation was people having their names in the book of the lamb (what is known as the book of life). Rev. 20:15

Who is the lamb?
Jesus christ ofcourse.

How was their names written there?
Because they simply believe in jesus christ not because they were righteous than anyone else.

The bottomline is, if you believe in christ, before God
You are not abominable even though you committed abomínable things.
You are not fearful, you are not whoremonger, you are not soccerer or idolater or murderer or liar. It is not possible.

Why did christ came to die in the first place?

Men goes to hell fire because they commit sin then christ came to die. After his death christians still go to hell fire because they commit sin.

Then what is the difference?

But again if you find yourself committing these sins as a christian then you must repent or you face the consequences here on earth like any one else, at that point the crucifixion of christ cannot save any christian committing sin from the consequence of his sin.

When christ was crucified, the thief who ended up believing in him on the cross was also killed too. His decision to believe and became christian at his last minute did not stop his execution which was the consequence of his actions. But he was saved into eternal life or paradise after he was executed simply because he believed and became christian .

So understand that.

enilove:
HAS THE KINGDOM OF GOD COME OR ABOUT TO COME?

it is already here with us.

We are the kingdom on earth, every believers.
God now lives and dwells in us in our spirit, we have been translated into his kingdom from the stand point of his resurrection filled with the spirit of God or the holy spirit.

Colossians 1:13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

Meaning, we have already been translated into the kingdom, not that we will be translated into the future.

So, if daddy freeze is saying that these pastors are going to hell for their sins, that is rubbish.
And if anyone is saying daddy freeze is going to hell for attacking these pastors, that is rubbish too.

Judgement is only meant for God, and God is saying we are justified by our faith irrespective of our level of sin.

If the below scriptures are not for Christians , who are they meant for ?
Matthew 7:22-23 KJV

Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
[23] And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Its so ridiculous you people have no clue of what you preach
Oyibo people who carry bible come africa have better understanding, the problem is you africans dont read at all.

i told you, before you start taking a text of a scripture understand the story behind that text first, you will have a clear understanding of what the scripture is trying to represent, there is nothing hidden in the bible.

There was a story behind it and never neglect that story and take the text to play religion.

Before jesus started the semon in matthew 5 which lasted to matthew 7 up to the verse 22 you quoted(red letters all through), john the baptist started preaching from matthew 3.

Matthew 3:2 And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.(meaning,the kingdom of God was near to people of that generation)

That generation did not pass until the kingdom of God was fullfilled to them.

"At hand" simply means it is already near at their door step . That is, the crucifixion is already near. Remember, jesus was not yet crucified when john the baptist started preaching.

Now, what is the kingdom of God that was near to their door step ?
The kingdom of God was the time of the crucifixion and resurrection of the messiah(Jesus christ) which the jews were waiting for.

Luke 13:23 Then said one unto him, Lord, are there few that be saved? And he said unto them,
Luke 13:24 Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.
Luke13:25 When once the master of the house IS RISEN UP, and hath shut to the door, and ye (the jews, not christians o) begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are:

Take note of the emboldened .
The question they asked him was, are few people will enter into the kingdom? (Salvation) according to what they saw in their torah(holy book) that few people will enter the kingdom.
And jesus told them yes, few people will enter the kingdom. Thats why they need to strive to enter the gate.

Truly on that day (2000 years ago)many(including the disciples actually prophesied and cast out demons in his name, but only few of them, only 120 of them(act 1:15)among the disciples who followed him to the cross ended up becoming christians holding their believe(faith) in him, the rest of the 5000 of them who eat five fishes and bread denied him and ran away, those were the people he literally told "I KNOW YE NOT" even though they were his disciples and walk with him initially.
even peter denied him as well but he was restored.

What is the gate?
The gate is the crucifixion and resurrection of jesus. That the moment he is risen after is crucifixion, the gate will be closed.

Was the gate actually closed?
The answer is No,
Infact the gate is till open till this moment since 2000 years ago ,for as many who changes their mind to believe in christ and be saved (including the jews).

All these have past already.
Today, Gods kingdom which is christianity on earth which was established the day jesus was risen, have billions of people worldwide believing in christ which are all in heaven like this on earth, and they will live on this earth forever, no end. (Read 1 cor 15:35 to the end to know how this is happening)
that is the fullfilmment of the prophesy, Its Gods doing.

enilove:
Christian faith started from the time Jesus started preaching the gospel.

this is wrong!

if the christian faith started from the time jesus started preaching the gospel, was there anyone saved at that time?

The answer is no.

Salvation started after jesus resurrected.meaning,without resurrection there is no salvation.

This means that christianity as a faith commences after the resurrection of jesus, that there were no christians until jesus resurrected, that non of jesus disciples were christians until jesus resurrected, talkless of the pharisees.

Therefore it is very incorrect to say that jesus was referring to christians in matthew 7:22-23.
The truth is, he was referring to the jews and pharisees as the MANY

What you should know is that, any scriptures from matthew mark luke and john were never recorded during the christian era.

When you want to talk about the christian faith, it starts from the book of acts of the apostles(the day of pentecost) down to revelation which marks the era after the death and resurrection of christ.

If you have never understood it to this point, you will just simply find yourself deceiving people as today nigerian pastors are currently doing, all of them.

enilove:
Only Christians cast out demons in the name of Jesus.

Before Jesus came there were no Christians , but from the beginning of his ministry , Christianity started . Although they were not yet called Christians then , they were mainly known as disciples or followers of him ( Jesus ).

and that period was described as the days of john the baptist(because john the baptist was not yet killed) yes or no?

I'm asking you this simple questions because i want to prove a point to you.

Were the disciples called christians during the days of john the baptist before jesus was crucified, yes or no?

If no, at what point did the christian faith started on earth?

alBHAGDADI:
Don't waste your time with him concerning Mathew 7:22-23 which is one of the verses they use to say one can lose his salvation. I've already explained it to him above, which he couldn't reply to because the passage actually stands against their argument. Please scroll up.

you are right my bro

enilove:
There were no Christians then.

very correct

The "many" he was referring to are the christians

what?
But you just said there were no christians, thats contradictive ;

enilove:
Matthew 7:22-23 KJV
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
[23] And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that WORK INIQUITY.

let me ask you a simple question and i need a sincere answer from you without any contradiction.

Was there anything like christianity on earth as at the time jesus made this statement in matthew 7:22-23 you just quoted?

If the answer is no, who were then the many he was talking about?
Were they christians?

enilove:
If you have a single sin in your life and you don't confess and forske them b4 your death here on earth , you will end in hell.
That is the truth. You cannot quote a part of the scripture and leave the rest .

I did not write these Scriptures :

Galatians 5:19-21 KJV
Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these ; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
[20] Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
[21] Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the KINGDOM OF GOD .

A TRUE CHRIST DOES NOT SIN , IF HE DOES , HE SHOULD REPENT AND FORSAKE IT.

Romans 6:1-2 KJV
What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? [2] God forbid. How shall we, that are DEAD TO SIM , live any longer therein?

you are getting it all wrong perhaps your inability to think when you read thereby depending terribly on faulty laid down doctrines.

1.First of all understand that God is spirit.
2.Only God who is a spirit judges.
3. Based on the human physical senses anyone committing sin is a sinner, but it is not so with God who is spirit .
4.To God who is spirit and not physical humans, anyone who refuses to believe in christ is the sinner,therefore all the things mentioned in galatians 5:19-21 you just quoted are seen in them by the spirit and by the physical humans as well.(thats why you can judge by your physical senses that anyone committing those sins are the sinners)
5. To God who is spirit, everyone believing in christ or having faith are exempted from being judged by the spirit or called sinners by the spirit even though they find themselves committing those sins mentioned in galatians 5:19-21(what is known as justification of the spirit. Romans 3:24)

Now, not committing all those sins mentioned in the Galatians 5:19-21 you just quoted is simply keeping the law which is very good. But the law is mere physical(not the spirit) therefore it cannot save.

Romans 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

Romans 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

So, when christ said in john 3:16..whosever believeth in him(not whosever does not commit sin) should not perish but have everlasting life, he meant what he said

Good move by the pastor.
But the entire ccc are living in ignorance of scriptures.
You put on white garment and walk bare footed like moses, you forget that Jesus christ says the least person in God's kingdom is greater than moses.

Why will you remain ignorant like that this modern day of technological advancement?

Please they should also contrubute money to buy shoes and wears for church members what kind of a thing is that

enilove:
Don't be deceived , faith alone does not save. It is just the entrance point or gate to your spiritual journey.

An adulterer with Big faith in God will land in hell in a big way.

where are your scriptures in support of these lies?
On the contrary,
Romans 5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:

Romans 9:30 What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith.

Romans 10:8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;(meaning salvation is free: just say it thats all)

Also,

Hebrews 11:6,But without faith it is impossible to please God....

Have it that in as much that christ do not condone sin, he is equally not willing to condemn sinners.

I understand why you people will always keep deceiving gullible nigerians, you want them to keep having the impression that works matters in their salvation thereby putting them at the mercy of church and pastors?

Na God go judge una