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Hier:
see bolded for hint to my comment on gullibility

so, how does the bolded asserted that pastors fed gullible church members?

Rather, they are even pointing out the opposite.

Pastors are the onces feeding on gullible church members.

Hier:
can't you defend yourself without calling for help every now and then

are you sure you are having a overall view of what is happening on this thread?

Hier:
stop talking a bout education, it's pointless, you need to accept that.

among the illiterate, do you want to say love doesn't exist. please, stop talking about this education of a thing on the thread, it doesn't carry matter

education is required for love to be truly effective does not mean that love doesn't exist among the illiterates.

Love also exist among lower animals as well.

But all the op is saying that, it takes a higher standard of education to achieve the kind of love christ came to preach to the world.

Look at it this way, there is a direct relationship between the economy of a nation and the standard of universities and colleges the nation can afford to it citizens.
In other words, nations of the world with better universities and colleges ended up having better economy due to the fact that there are more educated people living in those nations.
And nations with underrated schools like Nigeria and most African countries will end up having stagnant or slow growing economy .

Why is it so?

Because most of the political leaders who were supposed to come with good ideas of administration to the citizens are direct products of the general society which includes the universities and colleges the nation can afford to it citizens.

And you know that administration is all about love, which is the self- will of the leader to do what is right at all times.

To even do what is right at all times, it requires knowledge.

With this, you can see the inter-conectivity between love and education.

The op, will not possibly include all these to it explanation thinking that the reader should think and understand while reading


It also explain why a parent who truly love his child should send him or her to a school, which is the greatest legacy he can ever afford to the child.

Dalam0n:
Jesus himself berated the people for refusing to stone to death their disobedient children.

I reserve my comment

beatmonster:
CAPSLOCKED come and see oh

that lunatic?

I have marked his username already

Hier:
What does Education have to do with the scripture you quoted?

does it require education for you to show love to another person yes or no?

If you are meeting me for the first time and I'm in need of something you can help me which you don't know about, If I don't educate you what i needed how will you be able to know exactly what i needed for you to help me out?

Looooool, you are another height of delusional I'm seeing. Your post is rubbish, and you quite made some false assertions. Assertions that the pastors fed the gullible church members. Most people go to church to worship God, not to see a pastor, but for orderliness to be in place, there must be a Pastor or teacher or G.O. to guide them based on the experience he had with God and How God want them to be led

copy out and paste where the op says pastors fed gullible church members let's see, before you label the op rubbish

CAPSLOCKED:
PAYING TITHE AND HOMOPHOBIA IS PART OF CHRISTIANITY, BUT THE NEXT CHAPTER THAT SAYS STONE ADULTERERS AND DON'T EAT CRAYFISH IS NOT PART OF CHRISTIANITY. I HOPE EVERYONE CAN SEE THIS INSANITY.



I MUST START COMMITTING MURDER AND TAKING MY NEIGHBORS WIVES AS THESE WERE PROHIBITED BY MOSES A COMMON GOAT REARER AND NOT GOD HIMSELF.



NONSENSE.



CHERRY PICKING. CHRISTIANS HAVE BEEN DOING THAT SINCE MORNING.



I WONDER THE TECHNOLOGY YOU USE IN RECOGNIZING AND DIFFERENTIATING GOD'S OWN WORDS FROM THAT OF MEN.

IT'S SAFE TO SAY THAT SINCE I CAN'T TELL GOD'S OWN WORDS FROM THAT OF THE GOAT REARERS, I'LL JUST CONTINUE TO COMPLETELY IGNORE THE CONTRADICTING BOOK AND TRY TO LIVE A FREE, MORAL, AND HAPPY LIFE.

i was done with you a long time ago, I don't know why lunatics like you are still quoting me

Get arrrt!!!!

beatmonster:
I don't even understand you again. Jewish tradition?

was is not written in the bible?

are you saying not everything written in the bible is the word of God?

exactly!
Not all.

But to some other Christians, they can say it is all.
That is the beginning of extremism, I can't be part of that

Dalam0n:
Leviticus 20:10 "If a man commits adultery with another man's wife--with the wife of his neighbor--both the adulterer and the adulteress must be put to death."

Deuteronomy 21:18-21
18 If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them:

19 Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place;

20 And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard.

21 And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear.

these things are past, infact they are not part of christianity.

Remember, I said there is time for everything.
That time was the time of old, may be you should ask people practicing Judaism why did God allowed these.
Not Christians like me.

Because, first of all, the christian bible made me to understand that the law was not from God himself but it was from Moses

John 8:4 They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act.
8:5 Now MOSES IN THE LAW COMMANDED US (the Jews, not even Christians) that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou?

Do you see that the law was from Moses and not from God himself ?(what was known as one of the traditional mosaic law of the jews)

Secondly, These kinda laws have been placed optional in christianity.
Meaning, if Christians like the laws they should obey them, if they don't like them they should reject the laws.

And that is what I'm doing today. I am rejecting useless laws.
Hence, it's not everything called the word of God in the bible i should follow. To me, some of them are not God's word but words from mere humans like Moses.

Jesus Christ himself did not keep such stupid laws why then should i?

John8:7 So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.

11. She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.

Do you see that now?

Dalam0n:
You are a very dishonest person. The instruction to stone adulterers and disobedient children to death was given by God himself in the bible. Unless if you are tacitly admitting that the God of the bible is a cray savage and you won't ever follow what he's saying.

ok,
Quote the bible to show that it was from God let's see

CAPSLOCKED:
ARE YOU DRUNK OR YOU JUST ENJOY TO TALK LIKE A FOOL?
THIS IS WHY I IGNORE MOST OF THE MENTIONS I GET ON THIS SECTION BECAUSE IT'S LIKE PEOPLE JUST TYPE TO DISAGREE WITH EVERYTHING JUST TO MAKE THEMSELVES FEEL GOOD. POINT ONE THING I MENTIONED IN MY LAST POST THAT IS NOT IN THE CONTENT, UNLESS WE SHOULD PRETEND IT'S NOT THERE THEN I'LL GO WITH YOU BECAUSE AS USUAL THIS IS HEADING NOWHERE.

what I'm saying is that you never quoted scriptures directly.

You were saying things on your own and i will never be part of that kinda conversation ok.

If you must say something, quote it directly from the verse, then i will know that you are serious .

You are like someone going to a court of law to accuse another person without tendering exhibit or quotation, trust me, no judge will listen to you

beatmonster:
What you are saying is that you will start using your common sense and logic instead of following revealed instructions written in the bible.

welcome to deism

ok,let's be practical here!

You mentioned stoning adulterers, that was never instruction from God. I told you it was the Jewish tradition.

There are Other tribes during that era never stoned their adulterers.

So, I cannot begin to stone adulterers in my days simply because i saw people doing that in the bible.

That's what I'm saying

Fake rapture story

Nor go live your life and think of how to make this world you are living a better place first, you go suffer for this world eh, you go wait tire.

Shhe bi your case is different and you want rapture eh?

You go see.

CAPSLOCKED:
LEVITICUS TELLS ME NOT TO SHAVE MY HAIR.
DEUTERONOMY WANTS ME TO STONE MY BRIDE FOR NOT BEING A VIRGIN.
DEUTERONOMY TELLS ME THAT INSTEAD OF WASTING MY TIME "SCOPING" GIRLS, I CAN KIDNAP AND RAPE THEM, AS MANY AS I WANT, AND PAY OFF THEIR PARENTS WHENEVER I'M CAUGHT IN THE ACT.
GENESIS THINKS IT'S OKAY TO TALK WITH SNAKES.
MATHEW SAYS IT'S ALRIGHT TO ABANDON MY FAMILY, AND DEUTERONOMY ENCORAGES THAT I KILL THEM IF THEY PREFER OTHER GODS OR ANOTHER RELIGION.
REVELATION IS FILLED WITH UNIMAGINABLE, FOOLISH TALES AND ANOTHER BOOK SAYS A HUMAN LIVED INSIDE AN ANIMAL FOR 3 DAYS.
ONE GUY BALM OR SO TALKS WITH HIS DONKEY, AND THE OTHER MAN EATS BREAD BAKED WITH POOP AS INSTRUCTED BY A VOICE IN THE CLOUDS.


BRO, EVEN IF I'M MENTAL I CAN NEVER TAKE BIBLE STORIES SERIOUSLY.

If these are the things you saw when you studied theology forget it, channel your reasoning to something else, you have never touched that book before.

You are now giving me another reason to think that atheists are attacking the bible without having a single clue of it content.

You don't know anything in the bible you don't know period, there is nothing you can say categorically about it.

beatmonster:
then why do you cherry pick the ones you will practice if all the instructions come from God?

because the same word to God have made me to understand that not all his words in the bible are specifically for me or people of my generation.

So i choose the ones that are for me and this current era I'm living, and leave the ones that were documented for people of the old, which still reflects in the bible today.

Remember, there is time for everything.

CAPSLOCKED:
I WAS IN THE SEMINARY WHERE I STUDIED DOCTRINE AND THEOLOGY FOR MANY YEARS.
HARDMIRROR SAY'S HE'S A FORMER PREACHER.
I USED US AS EXAMPLES THAT MOST PEOPLE WERE "VERY" RELIGIOUS BEFORE THINGS CHANGED.
SO YOU'RE QUITE WRONG ON THAT ONE.

then obviously, you did not study the bible objectively for many years.

It happened to me too,
I was taking the bible according to the normal or conventional theological pattern for many years, until after my graduation from school. That was when i began to reason logically enough and started thinking objectively and questioning some of these conventional doctrines.

Instead of dumping the bible to become an atheist I started reading the bible again from the scratch as if i didn't know anything.

Today, every questions i couldn't get answers before, i can clearly see all the answers now.

enilove:
The whites are now openly practicing witchcrafts.
Can't you see that evil spirits have dominated America and Europe?

that is not true!
Harry Potter movies and the rest are fiction and nothing else.

Their Pastors are spiritually sleeping . That is why Islam is gradually dominating them.

hmmm!

What about these :

2 Corinthians 10:3-5 KJV
For though we walk in the flesh, we do not WAR after the flesh: [4] (For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds [5] Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;

We Christians are in spiritual battles with the powers of darkness. It is written also , that we WRESTLE ...
What does it mean to wrestle?

take note of a emboldened!
Bringing into captivity every thought...
That simply means, the weapon of our warfare is geared towards controlling our thoughts and imaginations towards becoming obedience to christ, and not to fight demons.

If you read it from verse 2
2 Corinthians 10:2 But I beseech you, that I may not be bold when I am present with that confidence, wherewith I think to be bold against some, which think of us as if we walked according to the flesh.

This tells us that, Paul may not be bold to say certain things when he was present with some Christians, but when he was absent from them, he was good at writting to them boldly a letter containing those things he could not say boldly when he was present with them.
But to other Christians who think of him him(Paul)as if he was working in the flesh, he always speak to them boldly in their presence.

Now, also take note of the term "As IF HE WAS WORKING IN THE FRESH "

the term is simile and not metaphor

It means, they saw Paul as if he was working in the flesh, not that he was actually working in the flesh.

Generally,Who is a person that works in the flesh and not in the spirit?

Anyone who refuses to believe that Jesus is the christ.

All I'm saying is that, there are no indication that the weapon of our warfare is not canal or pulling down of strong holds was actually meant spiritual battle against demons.

Infact, demons were never mentioned anywhere through out that chapter from the beginning to the end


Which demon's?

Demons that were already defeated by christ on the cross?

This means we need to pray and fight the spiritual battle and those that will win must be True Children Of God.

pray and fight?
Africans una funny o

enilove:
You are partially right.

1., A Christian can go through hard times by , as you said , ignorance of not doing what he is supposed to do .

2... A Christian can go through hard times and even die in the process because of attacks of evil powers.

The Bible makes us to understand this when it says in :
Ephesians 6:12-13 KJV
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places .
[13] Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.


THAT IS WHY CHRISTIANS NEED TO PRAY, FAST , READ THE BIBLE REGULARLY, BE HONEST , HOLY , HAVE FAITH IN GOD , WATCH AND PRAY.

With that , no evil can befall a christian. Challenges and temptations would come but he will overcome.

spiritual wickedness, principalities and powers and rulers of darkness of this world are not necessarily referring to demons fighting Christians in that chapter of the bible.

If you read from the beginning of the chapter,
Verse 1 says children obey your parents...
Subsequent verses admonish parents to treat their children right, and masters to also treat their slaves right (since it was an era of slavery).

There was nothing like demons fighting Christians in the whole of that chapter.

Satan can use things like disobedience to parents, parents not treating their children right or even persecution to fight christians and not necessarily demons.

Yes, we were made to believe that they were referring to demons from childhood being Africans that we are. But if you have ever listen to a White pastor who never had any African background or experiences of demon's and witchcraft inflicting people expantiating on those scriptures, you will understand it from a better mind-set entirely .

beatmonster:
But everything written in the bible is the word of God?

yes, ,they are!

Even though they were actually documented by inspired men.

Nevertheless, certain things were not written in the bible only for Christians of this generation to come and start creating doctrines and practice them as the way they were written.

enilove:
OP, bad things can happen to anyone depending on how you live your life and the family you come from.

A good christian can experience bad things if he is not careful and not prayerful . Jesus told us in :

Luke 18:1 KJV
And he spake a parable unto them to this end , that men ought always to pray, and not to faint;

For a good man who is not a Christians, bad things can befall him if he is careless or there is a curse operating in their family lineage , although he is a good man , that curse will allow evil to happen to him.

Prayers do avert evils. Being good or nice means you are an enemy to the powers that hate good people and good things. There are some wicked powers that love to see evil befalling people , community , nations etc.

That is my opinion.

you are very correct .

And for Christians, christ has already overcome the evil powers for them.
So if any christian is going through challenging times it is not the fault or caused of any evil power. Rather, it occurs by chance of not having opportunities do you know that?

Dalamama:
He doesn't do like that anymore according who? You abi? Just yesterday a Christian here called Otipoju was telling us how a bird appeared to his grand mother and spoke to her telling her things that saved her life from ritualist and you are here saying God has stopped such. Even the bible said God is the same yesterday today and forever but you are telling us another thing. So all these guys are telling lies abi?

it's true that God is the same, today and forever. But that principle do not apply in every aspect.

For instance, there was a time it repented God that he created man, this shows that God can still change his mind over certain issues at any given time and his new decision stands, no matter how hard we try to visit his position of the old times.

As for otipoju

Nor mind that African fictionist

beatmonster:
paxonel

Bible summary according to paxonel

why do you leave the other parts telling people to stone adulterers?

stoning adulters was tradition of the Jews what's my own this current day?

Infact it is called jungle justice this current day.

That tells you that it is not everything we read in the bible that we should apply to this day

Dalamama:
You engaged God through spirit and truth and he told you that he doesn't protect the good people and allows bad thing to happen to them.

Pastor Biodun od COZA engages God through spirit and truth and God told him that he ALWAYS protects those who call unto his name for protection and won't allow anything bad to happen to them.

So who are we to believe with this your spirit and truth brouhaha, since it can not be measured in any way to determine it's veracity? Are you the one telling the truth or is it pastor Biodun?

do you know how many Christians have died calling God at the time of distress such as accident?

What is the pastor Biodun talking about?

Dalamama:
So the writers of the bible were telling lies when they wrote these things abi?


The LORD says, "I will rescue those who love me. I will protect those who trust in my name.

Psalm 91:14

yes, it was true that God miraculously intervened over issues he shouldn't have at the days of the old testament, simply because men were ignorant in that phase of human existence.

But in the new testament as men where getting understanding he stoped using those miracles to intervene .

Acts 17:29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device. (This was the days of the old testament when men uses these objects to worship)
17:30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at(overlooked); but now commandeth all men every where to repent:

Overlooked in the sense that, he protected and gave people fortune miraculously,just to let them know that he is the true God, not those objects the people were worshiping ignorantly.

that was then

But today, he doesn't do things like that anymore.
Why?
Because people are now vast in knowledge and understanding.
Infact, there are technologies already developed to sensor intruders for personal protection.

So, we don't really need God for many things these days.
But we need him for our eternal life, that is what human knowledge and technology cannot offer.

Dalamama:
So your God is random, incoherent and a liar. All the places where he talks about protecting the righteous that believe in his name and call unto him and just empty lies abi? Continue.

So, you actually believe in those lies along side with some Christians?

The scripture did not say that o.

Christians believing in christ do not ensures any protection o, christ is not babalawo.

The only thing christ ensures is eternal life. John 3:16

beatmonster:
Everything is defined in the scriptures?

Gravity, Electricity, Magnetism, Chemical Reaction, Micro-Organism... pls show me where these are defined in your scriptures

no!
These are all physical things.

God don't use all these physical things to engage the world.

God is a spirit

So, whoever he must engage must be through spirit and truth.

beatmonster:
paxonel

Does God (Christian God) allow good things to happen to bad people?

infact, that is his will!
good things should happen to everyone always.

It is evident that how God (we have so many gods, about 4000) engages with this world is undefined

how is it undefined?

Because everything is defined in the scriptures

frank317:
What is God for u?

If u guys know that life happens to everyone equally whether they are good or bad, why then do preachers say he that dweleth in the secret place of the most high shall abide under the shadow of the Almighty. Have you read ur bible to see all the goodie goodies promised to believers?
Are u saying the bible us lying?

the promise to Christians is simple.

He that dweleth in the secret place of the most high in the light of christianity implies that, anyone who believes in christ has dweleth in the secret place of the most high, the promise to such person is eternal life.

Now, eternal life is something spiritual and not any physical benefits like every good things of life.

Christianity from the bible stand point did not promise every good things for it adherents like pastors are putting it.
It only promises eternal life, that's all

zinnydan:
There's always a reason for something, God is all knowing and he knows his thoughts for us,a thought of good and not of evil to give us an expected end

exactly!

I also think he allows good people to go through an undesirable process which will eventually make them strong.

For Christians, it makes their faith in God to be strong.

This kind of question comes from a very wrong assumption.

We assume that because some people are good therefore they do not deserve bad things.

We forget that life happens to everyone equally whether they are bad or good.

The rain and sun falls on everyone at equal intensity whether they are bad or good.

That is God for you.

denisbid:
Op, I must say that you spoke the bitter truth,

But what kind of a christian are you?

You did not spare the atheists either

Na so

Shelumiel:
I'm sorry but I don't engage in conversations with fools .

see who is calling someone fool?

You funny o

You came to fool yourself here and you are now saying I'm sorry.

My friend get arrt!!!!
Sorry for yourself