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danjumakolo:
Kindly note that these captives aren't genuine Muslims.
In Islam,Quran says there is no compulsion in religion.
These captives are the black sheeps in Islam.They do not represent what the rasul taught.
Hope this helps

You are absolutely correct bro

alBHAGDADI:
You claim that there are other ways but you failed to mention them. The sad part is that you quoted the entire OP just to write this.

Proverbs 14:12
There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.

You are not a Christian, so her action and this post will never make sense to you. Those who have been inspired have been inspired already. What you think doesn't matter. To us, she is a hero who will be largely celebrated for defeating Islamic terrorism.

you are sounding like a stupid Islamic fundamentalist who was converted to christianity some few years back who is madly in search of some christian martyr.

Why is your heart so full of hatred. Can't you obey the simple injunction of Christ LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOUR AS YOURSELF or Are we fighting?

I only said there are better ways the little girl would have done it, i expected you to ask me how first before spilling yourself.

so you are one of those who say she should have accepted Islam the renounce it upon gaining freedom.

that's not what i said, you terribly misunderstood me, i told you if you must practice christianity, then practice it intelligently

It's as if you do not know what Islam entails.

I said it! You know so much about Islam but very little about christianity

You don't go in an leave unless in a casket. We've heard how Northern Muslims are sympathetic to the course of Boko Haram and how APC is somehow linked to the group. How are you certain the girl won't be killed after the sympathizers in her neighborhood realize that she has gone back to Christianity? If you leave Islam, you get killed.

then she can always practice her christianity secretly it's between her and her God, she don't need to anounce herself or deny Islam openly when she sees that her life is threatened otherwise she will be killed for nothing. Intelligent people think faster than what religion can offer, unfortunately she is still a kid.

God bless the Pope,
This man is widely educated and vast

Op, there are other ways Leah sharibu would have done it and set herself free from captivity and still remain a christian which would have been wiser than her inspiring christians who are observing the situation at the expense of her freedom and liberty.

Denying Islam in the presence of her captors who want her to change her faith to Islam for her freedom is not necessary.
The decision will never inspire christians in anyway, Though they can pretend to be inspired

I guess because she is still a child, she cannot think of any other way, so she remains in captivity(hopefully, God may touch her captors to release her)

An adult christian is not expected to be childish like that

Op, let's relate Romans 10:1 with Luke 14:16-25 you quoted and see the correlation, may be it will help you understand.
But you just have to think, it requires brain to understand

Romans 10:1 Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for ISRAEL is, that THEY MIGHY BE SAVED

Now, the question is, who were THE ISRAELITES?

Were the ISRAELITES saved as at the time Jesus Christ was yet on earth before he was crucified?
The answer is no!
They were never saved.
Even till today, many of today Israelites do not believe that Jesus is the Christ.

To this understanding, you will agree with me that Jesus spoke this parable against them and their Pharisees leaders.

Now, this is the meaning of the parable

16 Then said he unto him, [color=#990000]A certain man made a great supper

the meaning of this is, Jesus made a great supper, that supper is his crucifixion and resurrection which brings God's kingdom on earth, so God's kingdom is that great supper, it is already here on earth i don't know what you are still waiting for rapture for

and bade(invite) many:

the many he invited were the ISRAELITES also known as the Jews became of the covenant God had with their forefather ABRAHAM.

17 And sent his servant at supper time to say to them that were bidden, Come; for all things are now ready.

This simply means that God's kingdom is now ready on earth. Jesus represented his father's kingdom on earth before he was crucified. The Axe was already laid on the tree, you should know what that means. The tree was cut when he resurrected, what is the tree? The tree was the old covenant

18 And they all with one consent began to make excuse. The first said unto him, I have bought a piece of ground, and I must needs go and see it: I pray thee have me excused.

this means the Israelites start giving excuses for not wanted to believe in Christ, by so doing they missed to be part of Gods kingdom (I guess this is what you perceived that makes you think christians will miss rapture? You funny o )

19 And another said, I have bought five yoke of oxen, and I go to prove them: I pray thee have me excused.

20 And another said, I have married a wife, and therefore I cannot come.

all these are part of the excuses by the Jews. There was no christians at that time, christianity only started after Jesus resurrected.

21 So that servant came, and shewed his lord these things. Then the master of the house being angry said to his servant, Go out quickly into the streets and lanes of the city, and bring in hither the poor, and the maimed, and the halt, and the blind.

the master being Jesus was angry with the israelites and their Pharisee leaders and straight ahead invited the gentiles who never were part of the covenant God had with Abraham. The poor, maimed and the blind represents the gentiles in that parable, while the rich men represents the Israelites or Jews became they had the covenant and the law from Moses which the gentiles never had.

23 And the lord said unto the servant, Go out into the highways

highways means people of other tribes order than the Jewish tribe or Israel, these are the gentiles

and hedges, and compel them to come in, that my house may be filled.

so you see, Jesus was not in anyway talking to christians in that parable infact, there was no christianity as at that time. Rather, he spoke the parable against the ISRAELITES.

Therefore it is very wrong to say christians will miss rapture when christians on earth are the heaven themselves.

INSTRUCTIONS
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ANSWER ALL QUESTIONS.
TAKE ALL YOUR ANSWERS FROM LUKE 14:1-24

PROVIDE YOUR ANSWERS AS REPLY.

1. Jesus Christ mentioned a certain ‘great supper’ in Luke 14:16. What is the meaning or another name for that ‘great supper’?

the great supper means God's kingdom on earth which literally is the establishment of christianity on earth when Christ resurrected. The great supper is the resurrection of Christ

2. How many people were invited to that supper? Are you also invited for that supper?

everyone were invited. The Jews were invited first, because of God's covenant with their forefather Abraham. But they rejected the invitation and killed Christ, but the gentiles happily accepted the invitation. That's why most christians today are gentiles, few of them are ISRAELITES

3. In Luke 14:17, why were people invited to that great supper?

because the kingdom of God was already on earth in the person of Jesus Christ and people needed to be invited, that's why he had many disciples who followed him. John the Baptist started the invitation by saying, repent the kingdom of God is at hand. At hand means, the kingdom has come already which is Christ.

4. All the people invited to the great Supper did one thing why they could not attend. What was that? (Hint: Luke 14:18)

the first people invited were the ISRAELITES. They could not attend because they never thought jesus was the Christ, they never believed in him. No christian falls into this category

Read Luke 14: 18-20 and Say true or false to the following questions

5. Focusing on buying and selling alone (business alone) could make somebody miss rapture (TRUE OR FALSE)

false

6. Focusing too much on getting properties can make a person miss rapture (TRUE OR FALSE)

false

7. Can enjoyment make a Christian to miss rapture? (YES or NO) EXPLAIN your answer with example from the bible.

No! God is not benefiting anything seeing christians suffering themselves deliberately

8. A Christian can miss rapture because of his/her marriage or some member of his/her family? (YES or NO) Explain

NO!
Your faith in Christ is a relationship between you and God alone, it has nothing to do with your relationship with this world or your love ones and family

9. Mention 5 other reasons why Christian can miss rapture.

the only reason is, when the christian stops believing in Christ or being a believer by joining other religions. John3:16, whosever believes should not perish.

therefore it is very wrong to say a christian can miss rapture by any circumstance order than him disbelieving ( let's assume i don't know what rapture is).

So, no rapture again?
No end time?

Controversial on-air personality (OAP), Daddy Freeze has attacked Nigerian pastors over their silence on Leah Sharibu, the Christian Dapchi girl who has remains in Boko Haram captivity for refusing to denounce her faith.

DAILY POST recalls that, following the release of Dapchi school girls, father to one of the abducted girls, Sharibu Nata, had disclosed that his daughter, Leah Sharibu was not released by Boko Haram terrorists because she refused to abandon her Christian faith for Islam.

Freeze, on Instagram, wondered why Nigerian pastors, who are quick to collect tithe from members, are quite on Leah’s ordeal.

He wrote, “Sad to see this poor girl and her family go through this.

”Where are all those thieving Daddy GOs on this matter? Oh sorry, my bad, it doesn’t concern tithes.

”The only Christ they are about is the one that fuels their jets, buys their Gucci sweaters and funds the tomfoolery their ridiculous doctrine has shamefully become!”

http://allnews.uodoo.com/en-ng/detail/1532874692231193?uc_param_

CuteMadridista:
Honestly you have a very cogent point here and I have not studied the history of islam, I doubt majority of the Boko Haram guys have either. Neither do most Christians about their religion too. I'm amazed by the fact that all Christians I've ever discussed Christianity with in real life don't have as much knowledge about Christianity like I do. All Christians I've ever talked to found it very surprising that there are far more Muslims in Israel than Christians, most don't even know there's a religion called Judaism which rejects the new testament

I think a huge part of why religion spreads also becomes its undoing or brings with it issues. Religion spreads majorly through individuals and these individuals end up getting huge followings and majority of these followers take their "Leader's" words for it - by words for it I mean whatever interpretation the leader holds true. Most religionists have never sat down to personally research on their religion but rely on their religious fathers. I laugh anytime I'm on Nairaland and all Nairalanders scream that they don't take their pastor's words for it. All you need do is attend a church programme and see how they fall under groupthink or get intimidated by authority

This is why an MFM can call wearing of trousers by females a sin and Christ embassy don't. because Olukoya's interpretation of the bible differs from that of Oyakhilome. so while almost every MFM member sees it as sin, CE members see it as not but majority of those have never sat down to check themselves if its really a sin or not
.

I think this cult following religious leaders have amassed is the biggest problem with it and when a leader that thinks murdering "infidels" is right gathers huge following, Boko Haram is what you get

your analysis is absolutely correct Bro,
I keep saying that it takes an educated mind to interprete and understand the bible and Quran and very few Africans are educated to that extent.

This same christianity and Islam are practiced by europeans and things are getting well with them, how come that Africans who adopted these foreign religions from europeans cannot see a head way in their lives?
It's really a sympathetic situation

CuteMadridista:
The problem with this line of thought is that there's nothing stopping the "supposed" creator of the universe called Allah not to change the rules with time. Allah may not give a rat's ass behind about Education and civilisation due to its sovereignty

You said certain Canaanites did wrong so it was okay for them and their children to be all killed. its akin to saying some bad Nigerians is enough reason to nuke the country

Now if you actually see killing entire people for the crime of a few as something good but its now wrong due to "that was then" it means you're working on the assumption that civilisation determines how Allah must've given his morality

Truth is you're being too broad in the way you're thinking and the only reason Christians don't kill for their god is simply because Jesus came down and preached a different message. Remove this and you'll have lots of killings. Remove New testament and what you have would be killings upon killings

Its exactly making my point for me

If Yahweh wasn't happy but commanded it anyways for his own reasons which you had to use his sovereignty and your hindsight to make happen who's to say Allah is also not doing the same?

I'm not holding you responsible, I'm holding your explanation serious and applying the same to the Boko Harams

I'm afraid I have to seriously disagree!

You're talking as though you know Allah himself and he couldn't have commanded these killings. your explanations so far haven't been convincing at all and unless you're Allah you can't know

Don't try to draw similarities between Canaanites and Boko Haram, Boko Haram's killings were purely religiously motivated while there's no place in the Bible its said the Canaanites attack on the Israelites were religiously motivated

What of a group of Jews that say Yahweh showed them they need to kill the Boko Haram members? what's your argument against that? since they don't have Jesus

It doesn't have to
for all we know Allah may decide to keep the cards to himself.

truth is you're expecting Allah to behave a certain way which he doesn't have to Creator of the universe foes not need to make sense. You're using actions of Yahweh as a format that Allah must also take


The main reason I said that is to a Boko Haram member, the biblical 10 commandments don't hold any water

All I've been doing so far is talking like a Boko Haram member

The creator of the universe owes us no explanation for his commands

This applies to Yahweh too as we see him give commands which made no sense like the Battle of Jericho. I used the Canaanites to draw you in... now tell me what the Jericho people do wrong. go ahead

If you can't tell us what they did to deserve such destruction then you'd have to agree that Yahweh doesn't have to make sense, same as Allah

You have a point there,
Yahweh doesn't have to make sense, same with Allah.
But that does not mean that Yahweh and Allah are not making sense to anyone who cares to understand them.
I think understanding why Muhammad came up with Islam in the first place should be the first assignment for boko haram, and the only way they can get that is proper interpretation of their Quran verses which they have failed to do. The same thing applies to christians and the bible.
And like you said, I'm not Yahweh or Allah to know what's on their mind, but it is wisdom to accept the right interpretations of the bible and Quran as physical documentations of the minds of Yahweh and Allah respectively

CuteMadridista:
Either way you look at it, you were able to rationalise this due to hindsight and the sovereignty of the god you serve. Have you applied this to the Boko Haram and the Muslims?

what happened then did not occur in a modernised world like ours today, obviously humans were extremely primitive many of which never had to the opportunity to be educated, hence, there was so much impunity and Yahweh reacted drastically.

A Muslim also could give his own rationalisations. a Boko Haram member, if we can talk to him, wouldn't feel bad about the killings but would give explanations too

not in this modern day where there is education and understanding.

I'm also a bit spooked by your saying telling them to kill the Canaanites was good due to a few bad eggs, This somehow justifies the killing of women and non Virgin female children

A child will always grow up with the wrong mindset if he was raised up by parents with the wrong mindsets and this will end up having a population with the wrong mindset. Like i said, the level of impunity perpertrated by the canaanites was not indicated in that scripture, if the impunity they committed warrant death, that means it was that bad.

you think the Israeli soldiers were feeling ecstatic when they thrust their swords into children and women?

Don't try to be sympathetic of what has happened in the past, it will do you no good today.
I'm very sure Yahweh was not ecstatic too, but he just have to do it for the sake of man

The fact that you could find a way to rationalise this and say it was good shows you're no different from the Boko Haram guys, only that they - according to you - serve "the wrong god".

this your statement do not follow,
good or bad you can't hold me responsible for what happened generations ago all because I'm in support of it today.
What matters is now, not the past.
In the past, God may give his people instruction to kill. But this modern day it is not so anymore .
If boko haram kills people this modern day, saying Allah sent them,it is not Allah, they are responsible and should be punished for their wrong doing.
If it were possible for God to kill boko haram himself for their wrong doing just like the way he killed the Canaanite, I'm in support of it.
But I'm not in support of any christian killing boko haram saying God commanded me to do so, because God will never give that kinda commandment this modern day where there is knowledge and education.

who knows if there's some divine plan of cosmic proportions Allah is using the killings to achieve.

the Quran never mentioned any such thing.

Amazing way to impale yourself on the Euthyphro Dilemma

it's your own opinion different from mine

and please don't throw Christian verses at me when discussing divine morality according to Muslims

it's like a judge in a court of law saying don't throw me evidence while judging your case

CuteMadridista:
Are you saying that the killings carried out by the Israeli on the Canaanites were wrong? remember that Yahweh was the one that ordered the killing and even said they should kill the boys and non vigin females and to keep the virgins for themselves. this order was also given AFTER the 10 commandments have been given

The killings was a retaliation of a similar killings carried out by the canaanites on the Jewish tribe some years before. The canaanites were stubborn and never listened to Yahweh when he asked to them not to attack the Jews.
Attacking the Jews by some few stubborn canaanites implies attacking yahwehs plan to save the whole mankind later, and sacrificing the lives of some few stubborn canaanites to pave way for the later salvation of the whole world worth it, and justifies the killings.
Having this at the back of your mind, the killings was right. Because if the cananites were not stubborn, then Yahweh would not have ordered the killings.

again, what's your take on the Divine Command Theory?

what people fails to understand is, the divine command is not a theory but a law and it is not different from ethical subjectivism, only that the law has been modified by humans to suit themselves, that's why divine command looks like what you see today as a theory.
Divine command laws are simply the commanments which says
Thou shall not worship any other God but Yahweh
Thou shall not kill
Thou shall not lie
Thou shall not bear falls witness
Honor your parents
Thou shall not commit adultery
Thou shall not covert your neighbors property.

Anything outside these seven laws is not divine command but additional modifications by humans.

What are your religious views?

Yahweh is all supreme and he is christianity today, no one has ever fight Christ and succeeded ever since christianity was established approximately 2000 years ago till this day.

CuteMadridista:
There's an argument called "Moral Argument" in which it argues that the creator is the correct judge of morality and whatever he says is moral

Not just only moral, but ethical as well. Remember, ethics supercedes morality. Morality is what is generally accepted whether it is right or wrong but ethics is what comes from God himself and it is always right.
that one, humans have no choice but to obey.
For instance, "thou shall not kill " is not just only a moral law but it is also ethical. Humans does not have choice but to obey, irrespective of whether they are Europeans or Africans or whatever.

including things that may go against our common sense (conscience)

this is not true! Everything that goes against our conscience is not morally or ethically right. If you apply it, "thou shall not kill" simply means if one kills it's a sign that the individual does not have conscience, it is never morally right anywhere, before God it is wrong, therefore it is against ethics.

Then again, "Conscience" is highly overrated and overused cuz I notice Christians themselves have their morality vary from place to place. there's a thread on FP right now that exposes the fact that Trousers wearing females are allowed in UK and US branches of MFM while they're turned away by Nigeria branches. Now tell me, why does the average UK resident not have some "Conscience"

The two situations you have just described here do not fall under conscience or ethics but falls under morality.
Like i said before, every tribes can choose whatever that morally suit them. European ladies choose to put on trousers that is morally right for them, but may not be morally right for Africans, therefore putting on trouser or not is optional, it is not ethical law and does not require conscience.

Also you're ignoring the fact that the creator of the universe may have handed down his morals to transcend any time including the future. the mistake you made here is assuming the creator needs to change his morals as time passes which might be true but not necessarily true

the creator is more liberal than any human you can ever think of. He allows every tribe to choose their moral laws that suit them so long these laws do not go against ethics or conscience

CuteMadridista:
what makes you say they're "misunderstood" by the Boko Haram sect? who's the judge of the right understanding?

their conscience should be able judge rightly to let them understand that killing in any form is never Islamic.
Certain verses of the Quran which out rightly seems to encourage killings should be studied thoroughly, sometimes the verses were specific instructions for muslims of that ancient generations indicated in the verse, and the instruction should not be passed to Muslims of this modern day.

So, any Muslim reading the Quran and see a verse saying KILL THE INFIDELS and he goes ahead to start killing people saying i saw it in the Quran, that Muslim is not a true Muslim

Op, you have a very sharp brain. God bless you for this. If this is so, why then all the fire prayer everywhere in Nigeria?

The Quran is the reason why there are boko haram and ISIS because the book is full of controversial misunderstood verses

Aboguede:
Europe’s march towards a post-Christian society has been starkly illustrated by research showing a majority of young people in a dozen countries do not follow a religion.

The survey of 16- to 29-year-olds found the Czech Republic is the least religious country in Europe, with 91% of that age group saying they have no religious affiliation. Between 70% and 80% of young adults in Estonia, Sweden and the Netherlands also categorise themselves as non-religious.

The most religious country is Poland, where 17% of young adults define themselves as non-religious, followed by Lithuania with 25%.

this is mere imagination. On the contrary, more atheists in Europe are going back to christianity after a long fruitless pursuit.
It was evidently heard a lot of them calling Jesus at the point of their death so forget that thing
The scripture has said it long before christianity came. Christianity has come and it will reign on this earth forever and ever. There is nothing humans can do to stop that, if them like make the antichrists starts another round of bloodly percecusion(which is the highest they can do) nothing can stop the church from keep moving

budaatum:
Imagine a bill is put forward in both houses and signed by the President banning Christianity and Islam such that:

All worship buildings are to be shut with immediate effect.

Anyone caught congregating in the name of Allah, Mohammed, God, Jesus, Mary, Gabriel, Michael or any thing so related would be fined 100000 Naira for the first offence, 200000 Naira and no less than 6 months imprisonment for the second offence, a million Naira and 2 years imprisonment for third offences which will be doubled for subsequent flouting of this ban.

Anyone adorning religious symbols related to Christianity and Islam, including but not limited to, the Bible, The Quran, a cross, text from either book, a hijab, etc will be deemed to have flouted the law and would be treated as though they were congregating.

Any building used for such congregating will be confiscated and its owner fined no less than a million Naira.

Get the gist?

What do you think reactions would be?

How would you react?

That's not possible in Nigeria
Even the government that is doing that will begin to fight itself to destruction.

CorperShop:
Response to Pastor Chris Oyakhilome about eating in the dream

By

Biodun Adeyanju

Pastor @ Champions Church

biodunadeyanju1@gmail.com

08055212130



We know in parts and we prophesy in part.(1Cor.13:9) While Pastor Chris is a man of God that I deeply love and respect (someone I look up to) the mystery of eating in the dream is far beyond the submission of the MOG on this subject matter

there are no scriptural evidence to this your assertion. Rather, the scripture affirms that all power have been given to the believer. That simply means there is nothing beyond the power of the believer, you already know this. Pastor Chris is a believer. It's not possible that there is any mystery in eating of dreams in the first place. It's just simply dream that's all, there is nothing to be afraid of.

First, Pastor Chris quoted (Acts 10:9-15) as the only place in the scripture where God fed people in the dream.
It is good for us to know that the vision that Peter had did not come through dreams, but through a spiritual medium of communication called trance.
There is a clear wall of differences between these two spiritual experiences. (Num.24:4-6; Acts10:10).

from your analysis, pastor Chris never saw Peters vision as a trance but a dream, let's say you are right here

Also, the use of Isaiah 29: 7-9 by Pastor Chris was completely taken out of context. Let us look at what these verses say and interpret them accurately and accordingly

It shall even be as when an hungry man dreameth, and, behold, he eateth;
but he awaketh, and his soul is empty:
or as when a thirsty man dreameth, and, behold, he drinketh;
but he awaketh, and, behold, he is faint, and his soul hath appetite:so shall the multitude of all the nations be,that fight against mount Zion.

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So, in what way pastor Chris took this scripture out of context? Like you said, the scripture was used as an allegory to explain how the enemies stood against Jerusalem, the allegory still applies to real life situation. When one eats or drinks in the dream as a hungry man he wakes up to meet himself in that hungry state inspite the fact that he ate in the dream. Meaning, eating in the dream has no effect to the human physical body in anyway or what evidence does he have that he ate in the dream?
If it cannot affect the physical body how then can eating in dream affect the spirit?
Do you understand what it means for someone to start mentioning spirit? That means it has nothing to do with this physical world.
Remember, Jesus told Nicodemus I'm telling you physical things you are not understanding, how then will you understand when i tell you spiritual things? John 3:12.
It must affect the physical first for people to see before you can say that the spiritual exist, it's as simple as that.
It's like you are going to court of law without evidence, no one will listen to you.

For instance, just like eating in the dream does not replace physical appetite when one wakes up, so also, the evil machinations of these nations will not come to material reality. It is like having strategies without having the power to execute them.

this your statement is very correct, exactly what I'm talking about. You are getting the truth but it seems at your otherside, you are allowing sentimental beliefs of spirits being powerful than reality this real world dominates your general beliefs.
The reality is, dreams are simply dreams and should be treated as such, nothing more.

We cannot establish the victory of the cross against the enemy, if we do not know the strength and the weaknesses of the enemy we are dealing with. (2Cor.2:11)

you are not getting that 2cor2:11 right. It was not talking about christians trying to establish the victory on the cross. The victory on the cross was already established by Christ right from the very day he said IT IS FINISH. Rather, it was saying that christians should forgive(if you read the previous verses).that forgiving whoever is the way not to be ignorant of the device of the devil .

Satan we must understand, is a spiritual entity that uses tactics and subtlety to defeat his opponents. He specializes in using diplomacy rather than military campaign to hold his enemies captive. (Gen.3:1-4; 2Cor.11:3) This adversary also locates his victim through ignorance(2Cor.2:11). Satan works by consistent strategy from the beginning (1Jn.3:. He is very adhering in his approach to defeat man. For instance, if we could recognize that Adam lost dominion through the eating of a forbidden fruit, which is food, it is suffice to say that Satan still uses the same tactics today to rob people of their glorious destinies in Christ. (Gen.3:1-3)

all these are just simply hyping the powerless devil, geared at making believers to afraid of the devil and afraid of the unknown so that they will have reasons to go to church perhaps for deliverance all the time. It's a satanic thing to do

No wonder, Jesus the last Adam introduced communion as one of the tools or weapons of destroying the works of the devil in the lives of the saints. Communion remits sins; the principal weapon of Satan that manipulates and establishes the defeat of man in the pursuit of his endeavors (1Jn3:8; Matt.26:26;1Cor.11:23-end).

so what's the relationship between communion and eating in the dream?
How does they correlate

To buttress the power of nutrition as a medium of spiritual transactions, when Abraham gave tithe to Melchizedek, it was wine and bread that the this priest of Salem used to strike the covenant of universal possession with Jewish progenitor. (Gen.14:18-20). Food therefore is a vital force of enacting and sealing covenant in Biblical and ancient days (Gen.26:26) Even David the man of God acknowledged that the strength of a natural man is traceable to the content of his physical and spiritual nutrition (Psa.103:4; Jn6:48-53).

I don't see any correlation with all these nutrition things with eating in the dream, you are propagating your personal fears
Let me cut it here, other things you wrote...
No head at all

We don’t need to fear at all, all we need to do is to exercise our authority over the forces of darkness

so, why are you now propagating your fears in the first place?

A former President, Goodluck Jonathan, on Tuesday said Vice President(pastor) Yemi Osinbajo lied over claims that the Jonathan administration embezzled some funds a few weeks to the 2015 general elections.

Mr. Jonathan’s reaction was contained in a statement by his former spokesperson, Reno Omokri. The former president told PREMIUM TIMES he stood by that response.

Mr. Osinbajo had on Monday said N100 billion and a separate $289 million were embezzled by officials of the Goodluck Jonathan administration, a few weeks to the 2015 elections.

The vice president, who made this revelation while speaking at the 7th Quarterly Business Forum (QBF) held at the State House, Abuja, said the economic woes being faced by Nigerians today were caused by the corruption of the former administration.

He also alleged that the strategic alliance contracts signed by Mr. Jonathan’s government with the NNPC and NDPC were used to embezzle money by the promoters.

But on Tuesday, Mr. Omokri challenged Mr. Osinbajo to publish evidence that the former president shared the alleged amount before the election.

He also accused Mr. Osinbajo of repeatedly lying, saying the “vice-president has again surrendered his lips to Satan to be used to spread slander and lies”.

“Nigerians may recall that lying is the most consistent achievement of Professor Osinbajo’s almost three years as vice-president,” he said.

“On this most recent allegation by vice-president Osinbajo, let me state categorically that former President Jonathan did not share 150 billion two weeks to the 2015 election.

“If professor Osinbajo has proof that former President Jonathan did so, then we challenge him to publish his proof. He is a professor of law and ought to know that he who alleges must prove.

“Again, it is a lie from the pit of hell that the Jonathan administration spent only N14 billion on agriculture and N153 billion on infrastructure in three years as alleged by the fallacious Osinbajo.”

On infrastructure, Mr. Omokri said the Jonathan government performed far better than the way it is assessed by the present administration, adding that in less than three years, the present government has borrowed more than PDP borrowed in 16 years.

He said, “The Jonathan administration budgeted and spent over $10 billion on infrastructure in the 5 years between May 6, 2010 and May 29, 2015.

“The Buhari administration, which in less than three years has borrowed more money than the PDP borrowed in 16 years cannot point to even one major project they have started and completed.

“Both president Buhari and vice-president Osinbajo keep accusing the Jonathan administration of being corrupt and claim that they run an anti-corruption government.”


Vice President, Yemi Osinbajo
He advised the vice president to desist from peddling what he said were lies against the former president and his administration.

The Buhari government came into power on the mantra of change and strong desire to fight corruption.

The government has consistently accused the former president’s government of corruption.

Mr. Jonathan has, however, not been charged to court for any corrupt practices although many of his aides including advisers and ministers are being prosecuted.

Because we were born into a christian home or a Muslim home as the case may be

In as much as God still maintain his right to interfer with human activities that will lead to his destiny most times he is not interfering.
Every power have been given to man now to lead his own destiny trusting that man is capable to do so

This shows that you can still be a christian in the heart, holy and accepted by God irrespective of how people views you outside. As long as you believe.

The other time was Nicky minaj, I'm just so happy for these people.

Good one doggy, show them where you truly belong

The moment you were born into a christian home you were saved like that automatically .
You don't need born again

Born again is fake doctrine for unintelligent christians

winner01:
On the contrary, lots of people are interested in what i do believe than what i dont believe. Lots of reasonable people.

Its quite ironic that an atheist is asking me to keep my religious my faulty personal opinions to myself on a religion section?

Toothless dogs

error and confused people in disguise of religion.
It's people like your kinda intelligence that are making atheists blasphemous to Christ on nairaland.

And when God visits you..

Pastor boy
All these my case is different people, Una no go kill people with laff.

Anyway, I'm out ,first day of the week is here,
No time for faulty religious people

You can stay back and continue your falsehood thread

pweshboi:
I know most people get confused a whole lot about this topic.

I was discussing repentance with a friend of mine and we got to the hypocrisy part of most Christian's, he made mention of some Christian's that exhibits a religious outward look but in secret they are devil's advocate.

He then later made mention of a part in the Bible matthew 7:21 where Jesus said ' it is not everyone that calls me father father that will enter into the kingdom of God' meaning it is not everyone that lip talk "accepting Jesus" are actually born again. Now his argument is, being born again is of the spiritual and it's more than mere words of one saying they've accepted Christ.

In conclusion he said though accepting Christ is the way to being born again but it's not the same thing and can never be equated with being born again.
Now my question to everyone is , in your own opinion is being born again the same thing as you verbally saying you accept Jesus Christ?

Mods please do the needful and let's hear people's views about this.

Accepting Jesus is not the same thing as born again o

winner01:
Lol, how to love Africa, your idea of the African mentality, your interpretation of the Camp Nou inscription and all your other lessons should be saved for your brothers.

Dude, all those are totally your headache.

My point is clear as day.

then your atheistic nuisance and beliefs that Barcelona fans were atheists for bringing out the inscription GOD SAVE THE KING are also totally your headache, keep it to yourself and your family, no one is interested in such deluded conspiracy theory of yours

winner01:
If you're not in a hurry to reply, you'll see a few examples I gave in the Op on atheist organizations suing religious inscriptions and activities in a neutral setting.

and I've said i have nothing against your other examples

I'm an African and proud to be one.

proud of the faulty reading and incomprehensive conclusions and insensitivity inherently associated with the African religious institutions? Then, that is not how to love Africa. To love Africa is to take simple corrections and get improved. Unfortunately, most Africans like you will prefer to perch on errors rather than humbly allowing themselves to be corrected that's why you don't see white people much around anymore.

you seem to be suffering from inferiority complex

by identifying errors in the way Africans think simply because I'm African?
This is quite laughable

Is Barcelona not a neutral setting?
I expect many Barcelona fans to be atheists or conc atheists. I'm only wondering why they choose their battles cowardly

if you still think they were after any religion then you are fighting the wrong battle. What you doing, it's more or less like a pastor diagnosing someone in his church saying that his aged mother is the witch responsible for his financial problems, that's a wrong battle .
Religion should be seperated from football.
Religion has done more harms, football is entertaining and uniting people from various religious backgrounds

You can't just generalize and say because atheists are fund of making coward battles and sueing religious inscriptions, then you begin to attack innocent football fans simply because they made inscription you could not understand.

winner01:
I don't care if a king was saved or not.

this shows you do not care about football either or you following what has been happening in Chelsea, therefore you do not care to know why Barcelona fans brought out that inscription.

I've made my point clear. There was a large inscription which ordinarily should make god-hating atheists raise an eyebrow considering the fact that they sue almost everything that has an element of god in it even if it is religious or not.

your point is clearly fallacious! How does God-hating atheists relate to the inscription by Barcelona fans?
May be you should get your example somewhere else because there is never a report that, that inscription has made any God-hating atheist raise any eyebrow or sue the inscription because it was never religious based. If the inscription was religious based, don't worry, it's not even atheists that will sue it, Barcelona as a club world have been sanctioned for that single act.

When you speak about obscure African minds, please limit it to yourself

from your conclusion about the inscription at Barcelona you have proven to be one of those obscure African minds who never understood the meaning of the inscription or even care to understand what Chelsea fans will write BORN IS THE KING. yet, you are taking it as one of your example. It's not like that o. I bet, you will never get your result against God-hating atheists by this approach.

I've drawn a red line and I gave enough examples of atheists obsession with anything remotely God

I'm not disputing other examples you gave,you may be right. But the Barcelona inscription you gave as example is a wrong example.
The funny thing is, there are some of the fans behind that inscription GOD SAVE THE KING who are conc atheists.
Pastors in Nigerian churches makes exactly this kind of mistakes. They read especially the bible figurative languages without understanding.
They don't care to understand, all they know is religion.
that's my problem
It's a very big problem to Nigeria intellectually.

winner01:
I don't care if a king was saved or not. I've made my point clear. There was a large inscription which ordinarily should make god-hating atheists raise an eyebrow considering the fact that they sue almost everything that has an element of god in it even if it is religious or not.

When you speak about obscure African minds, please limit it to yourself, I've drawn a red line and I gave enough examples of atheists obsession with anything remotely God. I gave an example of an harmless religious post on nairaland when the Op simply tried to thank God for his life and he was ridiculed for it.

What proof do you have that a simple sentence like "God save me" is not religiously inclined but glorious. Are deluded people now free to use the word God in a neutral setting or am I just meant to believe what you think the inscription meant

And Ive been too busy enjoying the game of football, i didn't know there were rules against players celebrating by exercising their freedom of religious beliefs, please give me proof, enlighten me

www.nairaland.com/attachments/2962724_mzdherbie612982_jpeg_jpegf3cb2ed0d3ce285716fa228e7525270a

www.nairaland.com/attachments/2963052_tumblrlz92i6ed0p1rptlhgo1500_jpg727a3eeee358b685804b6e4d73ab39fa

These are old pictures man, don't give me old pictures. The rule was endorsed last year 2017.

Take a look at what happened to Odion Ighodalo and NFF who did not comply

http://owngoalnigeria.com/2017/09/03/fifa-to-fine-nigeria-over-thank-you-jesus-written-on-ighalos-shirt-during-goal-celebration/

Born is the king was in Stamford bridge. Did God saved the king that was born in Stamford bridge on the pitch in camp nou?
I don't think so

I'm not trying to sound like an atheist but the truth is, in our obscure African minds we misinterprete every little figurative language we see anywhere including those ones in the bible

Understand the meaning of the inscription, it wasn't religious based in anyway, it was all about the glory.

Remember, there are rules against religious based inscriptions currently adopted by world football bodies, that still stands. That's why you don't see things like thank you Jesus on inner verses of celebrating players anymore.

Stampford bridge has been glorified over camp nau for too long, but on that very day, LIONEL MESSI plucked down that glory.

Brother op, i don't know what you are thinking

Niflheim:
@paxonel,

You want to know my source of confidence?

The more I see buffoonery in church, and mega-stupidity.....................................the more my confidence increases!!!

Buffoonery and mega stupidity are also found everywhere, not only in churches.
Now check out this ,will you now say this is enough reason to confidently say you are not a Nigerian?

[s]1. When you go to bed every night and wake up every morning without thanking God.

2. When you stay for a whole day, weeks or even months without reading your Bible.

3. When you make or answer calls, chat on Facebook and whatsapp, take selfie inside church while service is on.

4. When you don’t ever make out time for studying or quiet time with God.

5. When you pick your Bible to read, when you are praying or meditating and your phone rings, if you abandon the Bible reading and prayers to answer your phone

6. When your phone is very handy during prayer session or Bible studies so you can respond to comments on your post.

7. When the first thing you do when you wake up is Facebook and the last thing you do before you sleep is whatsapp.

8. When you misinterpret the Grace of God and believe that GRACE is licence to live in sin because Jesus already paid the price.

9. When you start seeing everything wrong with the church, the pastors, the Christians, the workers and you unilaterally abandon your duty post saying i am no longer a worker for God.

10. Finally, when you read this post and didn’t share with others, to help Liberate and snatch someone out of the Devils reach, you are simply telling the devil ” KEEP IT UP”!![/s]

Another deluded assumptions arising from the fears or timidity of whoever wrote this
A timid christian is a powerless christian.

How can you be so afraid of the devil that you begin to develope unnecessary rules for yourself to live?