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softysparky:
I am a good Christian and not a church goer.
Just have a conscience and always try to do what is morally right.

God bless you for this

iyke926:
Everybody that goes to the mechanic village is a mechanic, right?

it does not follow like that.
anybody can go to mechanic village, But Muslims are not found in church.
or do you see any?

free2ryhme:
Among my people are found the wicked ones

Many are called few are chosen

that's true.
But the gift of God (salvation ) is without repentance

JoeCutie:
Fallacy of 'Blasphemus Againstus Religionus'

Many years ago when I was a learner, I offered to teach a choir because one girl I was chyking was a chorister in that choir. From there, I started going to Church almost every day, for either choir practice, fellowship or one reason or the other, but I made sure that the babe in question was involved in every of those engagements I made. I equally agreed to take her on a private Keyboard lesson. In fact, I was always seen in or around the church premises. Fast forward the story, when I finally got her, I took her home and the rest was...in fact, you know the drill. I got what I wanted, I moved ahead.

The inclusion of "automatic" in the statement has flawed the whole argument, making the logic invalid. If you say "potential", that's fine. "Every Church-goer is a potential child of God", that's okay. You can never be an automatic child of God just because you go to Church everyday, but you're at least, a potential child of God. Why? Because you could one day, encounter God in a special way and you'd be arrested by His presence just the same way Saul was. The closer you get to His house, the more you give yourself an opportunity, a chance to meeting with Him.

And for those people who argue that they mustn't go to Church to be called children of God, stop deceiving yourselves already. They claim to pray in their homes; fine. But if you need a favour from the President, and you have the chance of meeting him personally in his house, I'm sure you'd take that option, other than sitting at the comfort of your home, then trying to get across to him through a mediator or through Phone calls. God knows what we want even before we ask. He appreciates us when we kneel down in our rooms and pray to him, but I think He appreciates us even more when we could spare some of our time, come to Him in His house & pray to Him. God has feelings too. He also needs attention.
So stop being too lazy, and making unnecessary arguments, go to Church!

Chai! Today, I went to Church for the first time in months. Please, forgive me, Lord.

lol
sorry, the topic of this tread has been altered .
i don't know what he mean by child of God. the original topic was:
The truth is, everybody who go to church are saved. and not child of God.
being saved and the perception of being a child of God are two different thing.
Based on human perception,anybody who do good can be seen as child of God at that point. meaning, if you are not doing good you are not a child of God.
also, anybody who go to church can also be seen as a child of God.
But to be saved does not depend on whether we go to church or we do good.
to be saved is strictly our believe in Christ only (being christians and not any other religion )
everybody in Christianity believe, therefore everybody in Christianity are saved.
All church goers are in Christianity (christians ) and are all saved.
no non christians (example, Muslims or atheists ) go to church.
so, salvation is strictly the Christian faith.
without faith it is impossible to please God.

Ayomivic:
please don't mislead people with this preaching of yours.

Not every people that go to church are christians. Christianity is beyond going to church. Church merely stands as a foundation in christianity because you cannot believe what you dont have knowledge about,faith come true hearing. In church we were told about God and Christ, we pray and worship God. These were what we did in church but it does not make us real christian. Church is just a light that iluminate our heart to see the way of God. What make us a real Christian is to trust and obey the words of God that was written in the bible, when we hate what God hate and love what God love that is when we are christian.When we examine ourselve and we see the life of christ in us. What was the life of Christ? Christ was an holy man. We must make sure we are holy to the extence that when we look at ourself and find no fault in us, that is when we are Christian. Jesus said the "prince of this world came but did not find fault in me" and he also said "we should be perfect as our father in heaven is perfect"

God has given us grace to amend our way whenever we fall into sin. I think this is what bible is saying about grace. It does not mean we have priveledge to continue in sin sofar we are going to church. Remember the verse that say "we cannot continue in sin and say the blessing of God should abide. God forbid" so therefor, the main piority of us been a christian is ability to identify sin and run away for committing it. Tha is wha make us Christian.

We must also know that not all churces are preaching the true gosple of christ, not all Churces directed by the God's Spirit. In the world today we should trust the scripture and not the preacher. When someone is Preaching to us and did not use Bible verses to back his words as op did ,we should not buy his word and if someone is quoting Bible wrongfuly we must regect him and his words remember antichrist are in the world.

lol
sorry, the topic of this tread has been altered .
i don't know what he mean by child of God. the original topic was:
The truth is, everybody who go to church are saved. and not child of God.
being saved and the perception of being a child of God are two different thing.
Based on human perception,anybody who do good can be seen as child of God at that point. meaning, if you are not doing good you are not a child of God.
also, anybody who go to church can also be seen as a child of God.
But to be saved does not depend on whether we go to church or we do good like you rightly said
to be saved is strictly our believe in Christ only (being christians and not any other religion )
everybody in Christianity believe, therefore everybody in Christianity are saved.
All church goers are in Christianity (christians ) and are all saved.
no non christians (example, Muslims or atheists ) go to church.
so, salvation is strictly the Christian faith ( our religion )
without faith it is impossible to please God.

please, who ever changed the topic, what do you mean by child of God?
because, child of God can be seen in two different ways.
a christian who go to church can be seen as a child of God.
also, anybody who keep the law, loving people, caring for the poor can also be seen as a child of God.
which one out of these two?

ifeness:
Child of which of the Gods?

please ask me o,
lol.
actually, the original topic of this tread has been altered with the same OP.
this new topic has left a question in the OP's mind and that is the question you are asking.

MrPresident1:
I have been reading your thread.

Are you genuinely ignorant, or you are deliberately peddling falsehood?

i understand how you feel.
i felt the same when i was told until i started reading Bible again, this time, with a different view and mindset.
not the Nigerian mindset.
like i will always say, it's not enough saying i am ignorant.
it's very simple, point out any of my comment that portray ignorance and correct me let's see.
Just one,..
you can put it this way, for example, this one you say this... you quote it out
then quote any Scripture that didn't say so.
then, you have proven i am ignorant.
mind you, no fallacies, if you commit in fallacy i will tell you the fallacy you are into.
i am only assuming that you are educated, otherwise, no point starting. Just ignore and go away

Proximo73:
lol,
the world is full of confused people..
i try not to listen to anybody again.
just keep on doing what i know how to do best

exactly!

Proximo73:
no!
It is dog, pussycat and tomato
lol

ahahahaaaahaaa!!!
lwkmo

An2elect2:
arrant nonsense fal$e teacher. You see yourself? this is how you manipulate scriptures to suite you. You said before Nigerian pastors have rubbished the country with the crap they preach and people like you are here to fix it and make this world a better place for our unborn huh? You are swimming in self delusion if you think God is after making this world a better place. Didn't you read my post well? you didn't see where i said we should live as strangers in this world, purging ourselves of the enticements in this world? how did i contradict collosians 3 ? fal$e teacher. You have reading comprehension problems? You can't seek the things of this world and seek God too at the same time. And that's exactly what you are trying to do fal$e teacher.1 John 2:15, Phil 2:21, Luke 12:30,etc check out these scriptures fal$e teacher they are saying similar things with the col verse i quoted.

There is no hiding place for you anymore hireling. Your time is drawing near.

Repent fal$e teacher.

ahahaahaaaha!
ok, you are good teacher, i am false.
please i want to ask a question good teacher,
what do you mean by the things of this world?
houses, train, car, money?

Hildalicious:
this is explicit and sound.
it's like you are a friend to the Scripture and reasoning
do you pastor a church?

nop!
I'm just reading my bible that's all.

Proximo73:
in that case, religion is not worth killing ourselves for, because the very God we are trying hard to please by being religious is not even religious himself

[quote author=Proximo73 post=31300634]you are getting the point.
and that is why i say everybody in Christianity are saved.
Have you ever wonder why people say Christianity is not a religion?
because, there is this non religious aspect of Christianity that Jesus was trying to portray.
that's why he had issues with religious leaders of that generation of the Jews he met when he came into the world

An2elect2:
One of the marks of a false prophet/apostle/pastor/teacher (@embolden) is that he falsely teaches people to have hope in this world and improve it. I caught you

Fal$e teacher what did Jesus and His apostles say about this world? to love/improve it? or to purge our selves from its enticement living as strangers with a higher calling and keep our eyes...where? answer me fal$e teacher

Is this not in your bible?

"seek the things that are above and not the things on earth" Collosians 3:2

And this is just one of those trash you keep spewing.

Repent fal$e teacher.

why don't you read the collosians 3:2 down to verse 5 so that you will understand what you are reading?
Colossians 3 verse 5 says,
Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry:
what Paul meant by seeking the things above to christians is to abstain from commiting all these sins.
now, mention one place in all my comments that i say that men should go and commit sin?
the Scripture is contextual. you must read everything to understand what the writter is trying to say.
not just reading only one verse and draw your conclusion from there like you just did, reading only colossians 3:2.
by doing this, you are the false teacher.
You see where your false teaching has landed you?
you are even advocating that the world should not be improved.
i think it's devilish.
i will advice you, go and improve on your reasoning capacity before trying to quote scriptures.
and also,go and learn how to address people logically,practically and properly before talking.
it's for your own good.
have you ever heard of the word ad hominem?
incase you don't know, Google what it mean,
you must avoid fallacies too

johnydon22:
[size=25]Tell me what is it exactly that is happening now? [/size]
[size=20] I even thought the guy had seen some miracles smh [/size]

you know, Jesus put forth a parable like this
Matthew 13:31 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is like to a grain of mustard seed, which a man took, and sowed in his field:
13:32 Which indeed is the least of all seeds: but when it is grown, it is the greatest among herbs, and becometh a tree, so that the birds of the air come and lodge in the branches thereof.
he made this statement before the was crucified,before Christianity was established here on earth approximately 2000 years ago
this is what he meant..the kingdom of God represent Christianity he was about to establish because he was about to be crucified.
he planted Christianity like a little mustard seed on earth the day he was crucified .
the soil there represent earth.
right from that time Christianity has grown to become the biggest religion on earth such that people from other tribes apart from the Jews (representing fowls of the air ) are now in Christianity world wide.
now, google it, which religion is the biggest religion on earth right now? you will find out that it is Christianity.
Christianity started with just 120 people act 1;15.( mustard seed ).
it is now grown to become a big tree (billions of christians world wide. )
this is the greatest miracle that has ever happened on earth
now the question is, How did Jesus know that all this thing will happen?
it's left for you to answer

An2elect2:
That day is coming and false apostles, prophets, teachers like you will be numbered among them that have done so many dead works( what you call wonderful works)who will be rejected en masse by the Judge of the whole world if you do not repent.

Repent false teacher that God may not send a strong delusion your way.

ahahaaahaah!
if you come like this you are just wasting your time.
everything i posted here i try as much as i can to be practical, where i see error in your post i go straight and point out the error and even correct it.
so, before you say i am false you must have done the same, otherwise, you can't say i am false.
I challenge you, just point out only one area in any of my post that is false, then correct it lets see
It's not by shouting.
By the way, do you know that Nigeria is already a confused nation as a result of the activities of your pastors?
that is what i seek to correct, so that this country will be a better place for our unborn children.
so, i should be the one to tell you and your pastors to repent from false teachings.
lol

johnydon22:
what is the miracle you have seen? can you tell us? did you see an amputed grow back?

i have seen something greater than that.
something was written in the bible that prophesy what is happening this current generation that is even affecting you right now, i have seen that it is happening exactly the way it was written.
it is the greatest miracle in the history of the world, i will ask you to google it, you will see it that it exactly like that as it was written

johnydon22:
How did you know it was Yahweh that is the creator and not the others i have mentioned.. Odin, Osiris, krishna, Shiva, allah?

if you want to know, Join Christianity and start reading Bible.
i have read Bible, that's how i know

An2elect2:
"Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in your name? and in your name have cast out devils? and in your name done many wonderful works?

Aha! and what will the KING of Kings, the LORD of Lords, The Judge of the whole world, The one that says and does, the Adonai, the Ancient of days, The First and the Last, The GOD all by Himself say:

"And then i will profess unto them. I never knew you: depart from me you that work iniquity."

Matt 7:22,23.

many will say to me on that day lord lord.
what day is that?
please if you want to know whether that day Jesus was talking about has pass or it is in our future, look for a Scripture from the book of act of the apostle down to revelation to support your claim whether you will see any .
don't come and quote the books of Matthew,Mark, Luke and john for me. Christ has not yet been crucified when he made that statement.
there was time before crucixion, there is time after the crucifixion.
they are not the same era.
we Christians belong to the era after crucifixion and are greater and better than the people Jesus was addressing with that statement, people who prophesied and cast out demons But never saw Christianity?
Remember,the least person in the kingdom of God( Christianity ) is greater than John the Baptist,all Jesus disciples who cast out demons at that time and all the prophets of Judaism.
so, don't come and Judaism us here, we are Christians

pastorwilly:
That's a lie bros,owk check dis those arm rubbers dat are stealing peoples thing,were dey not in christain family
Let me tell u it matters if u have receive jesus or not before u will be saved

to be in a christian family and to receive Jesus, they are still the same thing.
i proved it by saying Jesus is the founder of the Christianity we are practicing today.
that Christianity is our faith, not islam
that without Christianity our faith it is impossible to please God.
so, armed robbers are covered too, remember the thief on the cross with Jesus.
the crucifixion he had was the punishment for his sin, But by believing at that moment, he was saved automatically

johnydon22:
Wait a minute let me get something straight here... Which of the God(s) do you refer to as God here.. is it Allah, Yahweh, Shiva, Krishna, Osiris etc

Yahweh!
the all mighty God, the Creator of the universe

johnydon22:
First of all, all this you said above makes no sense..
Your only problem is greed. You vainfully pursue and clamor for another life when you have not finished living the one you have..

Do you know the state you will be when you die? The same state you were before you were concieved.. Total unexistence and that is it..

It baffles me when people have not finished living this life, is wasting their time chasing another that is so abstract as a pink unicorn.

You believe no one knows if their is an afterlife or not, so how did that person that told you get to know since no one knows.. You just choose to believe out of greed and thats all..

have you ever seen miracles before?
no,
me, i have seen miracles before.
that's the difference between us now.
seeing is believing

Proximo73:
is God truly angry with atheists for not believing?
i mean, we all have equal opportunity to the air, water,sunlight, to work hard and be successful,

judging from my five senses you are absolutely correct.
God is not angry with atheists or Muslims or anybody for not believing. He provide all these things equally for everybody. christians and non christians alike.
But judging from the spiritual angle which i don't have power over, it's a score to settle between God and them

johnydon22:
So its just a gamble isn't it.. Assuming their is an afterlife (Tho there isnt) and when you get there, and it turns out to be Thor instead.. am sure you see you just lost gamble.. and you will have an angry God looking at you for not believing in him... lol

[size=20] btw you needn't scare yourself to death, Heaven and hell are just myth and nothing more...[/size]

you are not sure whether there is after life or not, you are not spirit.
so am i, i was told too.
yes, to say heaven is beyond the clouds is myth, it is not realistic
the truth is, this life is heaven already by simply believing.
the idea is, if i do not believe i won't be in the after life in the first place,i will just die away and be condemned, so there will be no room whether God will be angry with me for not believing.
gambling?
lol,
you funny o,
me and you who is now gambling with life?
wait, check what gambling means.
it means to risk money or something valuable with the hope of winning more if you are lucky or if you guess something correctly.
so, since i cannot even sure what christians are saying about Jesus are correct or not, because i wasn't there to see whether it truly happened or not,.i don't want to guess anything, therefore i am not gambling.
life is so valuable to me for me to start gambling with it.
all i do is to take them by their word and believe what they say, it takes nothing from me.
i know there are false teachers and pastors. it takes knowledge to protect yourself from them.
But what the good ones are saying is simply good news, that we will resurrect, and i can't wait to be alive again once I'm dead because life is sweet.

Proximo73:
ahahaaahaaa!
ahahaaahaaa!
you are funny o

lol
you know, it's always good to face reality

johnydon22:
You believe... nice idea...

yeah!
infact, it is the best idea.
why?
because, whether it is true or not that Jesus is,
and that we will resurect, by believing alone i have suceeded in putting myself in a safe position just in case it's true that we will resurrect.
Because, i love life so much and i am truly enjoying it.
But it turns out the other way round that Jesus didn't come to resurrect, i still have nothing to loose.
the day i die, i will die and go away

Proximo73:
you are right!!
it's just that terrible people are now seen in churches these days so that we don't know who is who

exactly!
But no matter how terrible they are, they are still saved. That's the power of God

abitex577:
Being a christian is different from following after religion - Christianity. Many are in church and are not Christians, even though they see themselves as Christians in their own eyes. The word christian originated in Antioch when people saw followers of Jesus Christ whose ways and acts are like Christ and they said they are Christ-like therefore they were eventually called Christians. No SINNER is a CHRISTIAN and no CHRISTIAN is a SINNER. Like I said earlier if your walk with God does not show / reflect what is written in Bible, do not be deceived, you are far from been a christian. Apostle Paul said, do we continue in sin because grace abound? No. Righteous living is achieveable, a life of purity is what is required in Christianity, I believe it was what Enoch achieved that made him not see death. God does not change his standards, He'll not water it down also. Ask for grace to live a life of purity. God bless you!!!

Christianity started long before the event at Antioch.
Christianity started at the day of pentecost immediately Christ resurrected, therefore, Jesus is the founder of Christianity not Antioch.
Did Antioch saved anybody?
no
it is Jesus that saves, at the cross, not at Antioch.
Antioch was works, the cross is grace.
we are saved by grace, not by works.
i know that the name christians were adopted at Antioch, But we should have it at the back of our mind that name is not important, what is important is the cross.
must we continue is sin?
no, we shouldn't continue in sin.
we should repent.
But whether we repent or not we stil remain christians, the saved people.
because the gift of God is without repentance (without God changing his mind )

abitex577:
Being a christian is different from following after religion - Christianity. Many are in church and are not Christians, even though they see themselves as Christians in their own eyes. The word christian originated in Antioch when people saw followers of Jesus Christ whose ways and acts are like Christ and they said they are Christ-like therefore they were eventually called Christians. No SINNER is a CHRISTIAN and no CHRISTIAN is a SINNER. Like I said earlier if your walk with God does not show / reflect what is written in Bible, do not be deceived, you are far from been a christian. Apostle Paul said, do we continue in sin because grace abound? No. Righteous living is achieveable, a life of purity is what is required in Christianity, I believe it was what Enoch achieved that made him not see death. God does not change his standards, He'll not water it down also. Ask for grace to live a life of purity. God bless you!!!

Christianity started long before the event at Antioch.
Christianity started at the day of pentecost immediately Christ resurrected, therefore, Jesus is the founder of Christianity not Antioch.
Did Antioch saved anybody?
no
it is Jesus that saves, at the cross, not at Antioch.
Antioch was works, the cross is grace.
we are saved by grace, not by works.
i know that the name christians were adopted at Antioch, But we should have it at the back of our mind that name is not important, what is important is the cross.
must we continue is sin?
no, we shouldn't continue in sin.
we should repent.
But whether we repent or not we stil remain christians, the saved people.
because the gift of God is without repentance (without God changing his mind )

johnydon22:
You still won't die

actually, we believe that we will resurrect immediately after death .
so, no death for us in the real sense

johnydon22:
Saved? From what

we are saved from death.
Adam and Eve sinned death came to mankind.
But Christ came and restore life back to us

Proximo73:
I am talking about pagans.
if they truly believe, then they will go to church

Do you really think that pagans are christians who don't go to church?
here is the true definition of a pagan from English dictionary.
a person practicing an ancient religion that had many gods and praised nature.
example: pagan temples devoted to the Greek and Roman gods.
so, it's all about the religion.
and you know that idolatry is a religion on it's own away from Christianity.
that's why God hated idolatry in the old testament