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denisbid:
How about going to church to socialize or to join a group. you know, it is good to be recognized doing something worthful

happiness is the first priority in life.
one can socialize anywhere, in school, church etc.
so long it is making him happy

To worship God in spirit and in truth simply means to believe that Jesus is the Christ, that's all. From that moment till you die, your name is called WORSHIP.
God sees you as worship when you are sleeping, playing football, in your toilet, at office or school, at parties with friends enjoying yourself.
Infact, you don't need church again.
you only go to church to learn the bible to improve your knowledge and may be, to sing praises to God, that's all. It's not compulsory.
Note:Emotional lifting up holy hands in church is praise, not worship

Proximo73:
thanks too!
i must say i am learning a lot from you

thanks!
i am happy to know this

myproperty:
You are now telling me that the judgement in 2cor 5:10 is nothing buy a formality.

i didn't say so
read my last comment again

Ifeann:
they are breaking islamic law

here Is instrictuons from the quran

Qur'an (5:51)-"O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the
Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever
amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them;
surely Allah does not guide the unjust people."

Qur'an (5:80)-"You will see many of them befriending those who
disbelieve; certainly evil is that which their souls have sent before for
them, that Allah became displeased with them and in chastisement shall
they abide." Those Muslims who befriend unbelievers will abide in hell.


Qur'an (3:28)-"Let not the believers Take for friends or helpers
Unbelievers rather than believers: if any do that, in nothing will there
be help from Allah:except by way of precaution, that ye may Guard
yourselves from them..." This last part means that the Muslim is allowed
to feign friendship if it is of benefit. Renowned scholar Ibn Kathir
states that"believers are allowed to show friendship outwardly, but
never inwardly."


Qur'an (3:118)-"O you who believe! do not take for intimate friends
from among others than your own people, they do not fall short of
inflicting loss upon you; they love what distresses you; vehement hatred
has already appeared from out of their mouths, and what their bosoms
conceal is greater still; indeed, We have made the communications clear
to you, if you will understand." This verse not only warns Muslims not to
take non-Muslims as friends.


Qur'an (9:23)-"O ye who believe! Choose not your fathers nor your
brethren for friends if they take pleasure in disbelief rather than
faith. Whoso of you taketh them for friends, such are wrong-doers"

ahahahaahaaaa!
what kind of religion is that?
Muslims are not even defending themselves again.
where is that Tola9ja of a guy?

myproperty:
you are not consistent with your statement.

you quoted 2cor 5:10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ...
i am telling you that this is not the kind of judgement i was talking about when i say God is not judging us anymore.
I am talking about the kind of judgement Jesus meant when he said judge not so that you will not be judged, meaning, be merciful so that you will obtain mercy at the time you sin
2 cor 5:10 is judgement to prove that people were actually guilty of sin just like what is obtainable in the court of law.
But the kind of judgement i mean is after we were proven to be actually guilty of sin, God is merciful not to put us in lake of fire because of Christ.
Another name for this kind of judgement is being merciful.
The statement of Jesus "today you will be with me in paradise " on the cross to the thief that was about to be crucified is actually a judgement ( verdict ).
judgement can also be seen as a verdict.
note: the guy has already been proven guilty before then

Ifeann:
they are breaking islamic law

here Is instrictuons from the quran

Qur'an (5:51)-"O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the
Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever
amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them;
surely Allah does not guide the unjust people."

Qur'an (5:80)-"You will see many of them befriending those who
disbelieve; certainly evil is that which their souls have sent before for
them, that Allah became displeased with them and in chastisement shall
they abide." Those Muslims who befriend unbelievers will abide in hell.


Qur'an (3:28)-"Let not the believers Take for friends or helpers
Unbelievers rather than believers: if any do that, in nothing will there
be help from Allah:except by way of precaution, that ye may Guard
yourselves from them..." This last part means that the Muslim is allowed
to feign friendship if it is of benefit. Renowned scholar Ibn Kathir
states that"believers are allowed to show friendship outwardly, but
never inwardly."


Qur'an (3:118)-"O you who believe! do not take for intimate friends
from among others than your own people, they do not fall short of
inflicting loss upon you; they love what distresses you; vehement hatred
has already appeared from out of their mouths, and what their bosoms
conceal is greater still; indeed, We have made the communications clear
to you, if you will understand." This verse not only warns Muslims not to
take non-Muslims as friends.


Qur'an (9:23)-"O ye who believe! Choose not your fathers nor your
brethren for friends if they take pleasure in disbelief rather than
faith. Whoso of you taketh them for friends, such are wrong-doers"

hmmm!
there is a big problem o
lol

Ifeann:
Muslims take their time to investigate the bible for arguments to bring to christains. christains and indeed non muslims must take the time and see what's in the quran. it's all there. . Islam is a despicable religion..fortunately the majority of Muslims don't even read the quran in their Indigenous language but recite it in 7th century classical arabic that they don't even understand. they wait on their imam to interpret the verses for them.

and the imams never pretend that the quran do not encourage love to unbelievers in order to save the religion from gradually going to extinction?
if i was imam, i will fight for islam.
i will add love where there is no love and teach Muslims.
because, life without love for everybody especially in this modern day, is not life.
you are good as dead

Ifeann:
To be fair on the muslims the word'LOVE' appears about
45 times in the whole of theQuran mostly in expressions such as( in love; love of wealth; love of life; love of Allah; love of woman; love of self; love of other believers or love in the abstract; 2:177; 3:31, 103, 119;5:54; 9:23; 19:96; 38:32 etc).
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TheQuran, unlike the Bibledoes not encourage love of strangers or any others who are not'believers in Allah and his prophet'.[/size]

In theBibleon the other hand, this word is mentioned at least[b]155[/b] times in all its forms and manifestations. In the form ofloving the STRANGER(Lev.19:34; Deut10:19) & NEIGHBOUR (Lev.19:18), the Quran is silent.

The ordinances on how well to treat the stranger and neighbourare over[b]150[/b] times in theBiblewhile none are mentioned in theQuran.

http://www.inthenameofallah.org/Love%20in%20the%20Quran.html

Cc tola9ja

"Mohammed is God's apostle. Those who follow him are harsh to the unbelievers but merciful to one another" Quran 48:29

i am really finding it hard to believe this,
any Muslim here?
is this true?

if truly there is no word LOVE in the quran, how do Muslims love people?
Because i know a good number of muslims who are good,who love non Muslims equally.
Do these Muslims love people by their natural instinct and conscience ignoring the almost no love to unbeliever values of the quran? (assuming this is true )

myproperty:
You said God is not judging our sin anymore and I am saying that is a pure lie.
Romans 2:6-10

.......... but for those who are self-seeking and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, there will be wrath and fury. There will be tribulation and distress for every human being who does evil.................
2 Corinthians 5:10

For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each one may receive what is due for what he has done in the body, whether good or evil.

what i mean by God is not judging our sin anymore is, God is not putting any christian in lake of fire.He made us to be righteous through Christ.
Not that God will not judge us on judgement day.
Even after the judgement we were justified because our name was in the book of life, not because of our works.
we have obeyed the truth by believing what Paul preached which is Christ. unlike the jews in romans 2:6-10.
By this, our name is in the book of life

Proximo73:
are you saying one will suffer the consequence of his sin throughout his entire eternal life or he will suffer the consequence in the life he commited the sin only ?
Romans 6:7 says For he that is dead is freed from sin.

thanks for the correction!
i was trying to say that he will suffer the sin in the life he commited the sin but he is free after death

myproperty:
I see! you mean as a Christian you have a free ticket to live in sin and abide in sin and you would not be judged by it. Religion of sin? No. Christianity is not a religion that promotes sin or a religion that those not condemn sin.

to deliberately live and abide in sin is not a good thing,we will suffer the consequence like anyone else if we do. This is the judgement of this world. whoever break the law must go for it.
that's why Christianity do not promote sin like you say.
But in the spirit realm where our justification lies it's a different thing entirely. we are justified by our faith (which is Christianity ) into eternal life, not by the law or any of our good action in this physical life.
so, if you are good you will enjoy your eternal life on earth.
if you are bad you will suffer your eternal life on earth.
there is suffering in heaven.
it's as simple as that

God2man:
No! Even demons come to church.
Where ever the children of God are gathered, the devil is always is there. In fact, if the agent of darkness are not there, then it is an indication that it is not a living Church.

Have a nice day!

God2man.

do you truly believe that demons are casted out of christians?
contrary to that the bible says whosever believe that Jesus is the Christ has the spirit of God.

[quote author=paxonel post=31542816]

Proximo73:
honestly, i couldn't recognize this thread, what happened?
lol

ahahahaahaaa!!
while men slept, the devil came and sow a seed of tares among the grains and went his way

kritikali:
You are lying paul is the founder of xtianity and churches began after the 'seal of indulgence' some hundred years after christ.

i am taking account from the scriptures, i don't know where you are getting yours from.
read act 1:15. Christianity started with just 120 people at pentecost upper room. today that number has grown to billions of christians world wide.
this is what God wanted to do and it has come to pass. nobody could stopped him inspite all the persecution of early christians

myproperty:
Are you saying being Christian means you live above sin or Rather as a church goer you cannot sin?

yes, as a Christian we live above sin, that doesn't mean we cannot sin, it means, from God's point of view God is not judging our sin anymore, But he is judging humans whether they were born in Christian home or not.
whether they are in the Christian faith of not.
to be in the Christian faith is to be in the book of life, cos we are justified by faith, not by works.
all church goers are already in that faith no matter their sin, the same thing goes to christians who chooses not to go to church, they are also saved by their believe (in Jesus )

free2ryhme:
Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?'



Matt 7:22

nna!
this thing has pass now!
we don't need it again
don't mind our current day pastors, all of them.
we are now in a new era since 2000 years ago,
we are now in the era of Christianity.
infact, Christ was not yet crucified when he made that statement.
so, when you are reading bible consider time.
that there is time for everything.
the time before crucifixion and the time after crucifixion are not the same.
Jesus says the least person in the kingdom of God (Christianity ) is better than the time of the prophets including the time of John the Baptist when Jesus was yet to be crucified

synergycom19:
Not every church goer is a child of GOD,excerpt if they are Filled WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT

everybody in church have the holy spirit which is Christ.
anybody who do good can be seen as a child of God.
anybody who do bad is not a child of God.
that is human perception.
But it is not like that with God.
with God, you are a child of God the moment you join Christianity. at that point you are saved.
To join Christianity is not necessarily mean church going

Joluwadamisi:
If every church goer is a child of God, Then, every child that comes to your home should be your dad's child.
Same way every animal in the river should be a fish.
You are not a child of God until you're born again with evidence...

this topic has been altered.
this is not the topic the op started with

tjkadzyanju:
pls read colosian2:6-7
… ..I pity u… .quote me after reading. peace.

you can't even quote out the Scripture because you don't know what it means.
i pity you.
Paul was telling christians that they should not allow the jews to come and deceive them that Jesus is not the coming Messiah.
ofwhich, the unbelieving Jews are still waiting for the Messiah till now.
the Messiah is Jesus, Jesus founded Christianity the day he resurrected.
Judaism is the religion of the Jews.
Colossians 2:6 As ye have therefore received Christ(received Christianity ) Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in him(remain in Christianity ):
2:7 Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith(establish in Christianity, not in Judaism), as ye have been taught, abounding therein with thanksgiving.
2:8 Beware lest any man(any jew in particular ) spoil you through philosophy(philosophy that teaches that Jesus is not the Messiah ) and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ(not after the teaching that Jesus is the Christ )
this was documented in the Bible since proximately 2000 years ago and it was applied at that time .

JoeCutie:
Fallacy of 'Blasphemus Againstus Religionus'

Many years ago when I was a learner, I offered to teach a choir because one girl I was chyking was a chorister in that choir. From there, I started going to Church almost every day, for either choir practice, fellowship or one reason or the other, but I made sure that the babe in question was involved in every of those engagements I made. I equally agreed to take her on a private Keyboard lesson. In fact, I was always seen in or around the church premises. Fast forward the story, when I finally got her, I took her home and the rest was...in fact, you know the drill. I got what I wanted, I moved ahead.

The inclusion of "automatic" in the statement has flawed the whole argument, making the logic invalid. If you say "potential", that's fine. "Every Church-goer is a potential child of God", that's okay. You can never be an automatic child of God just because you go to Church everyday, but you're at least, a potential child of God. Why? Because you could one day, encounter God in a special way and you'd be arrested by His presence just the same way Saul was. The closer you get to His house, the more you give yourself an opportunity, a chance to meeting with Him.

And for those people who argue that they mustn't go to Church to be called children of God, stop deceiving yourselves already. They claim to pray in their homes; fine. But if you need a favour from the President, and you have the chance of meeting him personally in his house, I'm sure you'd take that option, other than sitting at the comfort of your home, then trying to get across to him through a mediator or through Phone calls. God knows what we want even before we ask. He appreciates us when we kneel down in our rooms and pray to him, but I think He appreciates us even more when we could spare some of our time, come to Him in His house & pray to Him. God has feelings too. He also needs attention.
So stop being too lazy, and making unnecessary arguments, go to Church!

Chai! Today, I went to Church for the first time in months. Please, forgive me, Lord.

lol
sorry, the topic of this tread has been altered .
i don't know what he mean by child of God. the original topic was:
The truth is, everybody who go to church are saved. and not child of God.
being saved and the perception of being a child of God are two different thing.
Based on human perception,anybody who do good can be seen as child of God at that point. meaning, if you are not doing good you are not a child of God.
also, anybody who go to church can also be seen as a child of God.
But to be saved does not depend on whether we go to church or we do good.
to be saved is strictly our believe in Christ only (being christians and not any other religion )
everybody in Christianity believe, therefore everybody in Christianity are saved.
All church goers are in Christianity (christians ) and are all saved.
no non christians (example, Muslims or atheists ) go to church.
so, salvation is strictly the Christian faith.
without faith it is impossible to please God.

busuyem:
Friend, what's ur view about 2 Tim. 3:1-5?

bad works were mentioned from verses 1 to 4, But from verse 5, Paul was talking to believers that they should abstain from those things
2 Timothy 3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. Paul was referring to the jews here,that they have form of Godiness by keeping the law But they deny the power, they deny christ. that means even with their law they were not saved until they accept christ.
if you go down to verse 15
3:15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
He was talking to christians here, in contrast to the Jews who disbelieve, thereby denying the power, that they are saved

ethylene:
1. In Christ times, he had problems with the way the synagogue was been runed by the Pharisees and the Sadducees
And tried to kill him any every chance they could get.
2. The warned that we should ask for the holy spirit to help us discern the truth from the doctrines been preached for many shall come in my name performing signs and wonders and aslo we were charged to test the sprits. By this fruits we shall know them.
3. Many wia called but few wia chosen not all who call his name or is a church goer shall be saved
4. What u are trying to pass tru might lead unstable souls to stumble. Been saved is not only believing but working hard to stay saved
Cos in the cause of living life to the fullest one might hv sinned unknowingly or purposely and wont repent of it. Remember he wants us to be 100%pure. Least wont make it

the very thing the Jews did at synagogue in those days are what we christians still doing in churches today,
For this reason, Christ died and build his own church which is Christianity.
Christianity is not church building, unlike the synagogue.
Christianity is simply your believe in Christ that's all.
synagogue did not believe in Christ

elantraceey:
Oh sweetheart keep deceiving yourself ok

say something.
you simply cannot

Blackeard:
if u truly believe this, then I'm sorry for you.

lol,
sorry for 9ja instead, your beliefs is responsible for the corruption.
we act based on what we believe

Amisec:
Going to Church, which church? even church of satan?
Do not deceive the gullible, salvation is not going to church but believing in Christ Jesus, repenting and forsaking your sins, and if possible, restitution.





Pastors this days in their attempt to make riches only preach about repenting but deliberately forgetting that you have to repent and forsake your sins to be saved.
Goodluck!

lol
sorry, the topic of this tread has been altered .
i don't know what he mean by child of God. the original topic was:
The truth is, everybody who go to church are saved. and not child of God.
being saved and the perception of being a child of God are two different thing.
Based on human perception,anybody who do good can be seen as child of God at that point. meaning, if you are not doing good you are not a child of God.
also, anybody who go to church can also be seen as a child of God.
But to be saved does not depend on whether we go to church or we do good.
to be saved is strictly our believe in Christ only (being christians and not any other religion )
everybody in Christianity believe, therefore everybody in Christianity are saved.
All church goers are in Christianity (christians ) and are all saved.
no non christians (example, Muslims or atheists ) go to church.
so, salvation is strictly the Christian faith.
without faith it is impossible to please God.

franugo:
.....nd u think u are a real believer I don't really have a real life example 4 u, buh watch 24, there u will see real believers in a cause or idea.

there is no real or fake believer, the moment you believe that Jesus is the Messiah you have joined Christianity, you are saved automatically.
that's all.
Paul preached to convert people from other religion into Christianity.
that was his ultimate target

free2ryhme:
Born again sef dey go hell fire ooo

no born again
everybody commit sin
James says, if you break one law you have break it all.
so. it is not possible to be born again

holyokoto:
Adam and Eve does not exist

that one na ya own be that
lol

lamako:
so that means everyone is saved including pagans, atheist and christians alike.

no!
only christians are saved
only christians believe in Christ.
pagans, atheists Muslims etc are unbelievers.
no Christian is unbeliever.
nobody in church or church goer is unbeliever, not even christians who don't go to church