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GOD BLESS POPE FRANCIS, you have inspired us. God bless as many christians that follows this man's foot step, i am not a Catholic, but this man is my mentor in life

GOD BLESS POPE FRANCIS, you have inspired us. God bless as many christians that follows this man's foot step, i am not a Catholic, but this man is my mentor in life

Rilwayne001:
Yes, he is a good man.

GOD BLESS THE POPE! i have never seen a man who is so sensible like Pope Francis, I am not a Catholic o, but the man remains my mentor in life

Iceflox:
i agree with you that the kingdom of God on earth is the church, But one thing you should know is that, heaven is real, and that heaven is not on earth. it is in the spiritual realm.
Jesus says my kingdom is not of this world

just look at it this way,
the church is the prospect of mankind back to eternal life that was once lost at the garden of eden as a result of sin .
in otherwords, there is no other heaven for mankind but the church on earth

Raotito:
wisdom belong to the wise.

And it is from God, God gives wisdom to as many who seek, it by learning

Alexis86:
I was born and brought up a Christian.
let me ask you a question, what is the kingdom of God?

ahaha ahhaa,! he will not be able to answer it, don't bother

asala1:
You are telling me that Jesus is coming soon and you are planning to invest in school and real estates, that shows you don't even believe what you are saying.

People will start taking this end-time thing serious, when Christians start worshiping under the tree because they feel there is no point building a church as Jesus will soon come.

that's true, action speaks louder than voice

[quote author=Raotito post=27731466][/quote]@raotito, Did you go to school at all?
sorry o, i don't mean to make you feel bad, i understand that those who didn't go to school are also entitled to their opinion. But what i am seeing here is, trying to understand bible is terribly overwhelming you.
all the interpretations you gave for the scriptures you quoted are WRONG. all of them.
i will advice you, stop trying to preach, for the sake of Christianity, and for the sake of the people that are reading your post.
if there is need to learn, please go to school first before you pick your bible.
i am serious.

iamord:
Humans switched and not Him. The real religion of the jews is Judaism

he was the God of only the Jews in the old, but today, he is the God of everybody

iamord:
Then why should it be part of the bible since it old and primitive.. Is he not the same yesterday, today and forever?

in the 10 commandments, he is the same yesterday, today and forever. But in religion, he has switched from Judaism (old testament or old covenant ) to Christianity (new testament or new covenant )

Unibenstudent:
the number 1 mark is the name Jesus be not surprised on my free time I will prove it

lol... you will prove it with old testament. for your info, old testament is old and primitive

Unibenstudent:
but those who did not identify with the mark of the beast eg name of Jesus and others will be pardoned

we christians don't see the name of Jesus as mark of the beast, we see other religions and atheism as mark of the beast.
so life continues for us after death, but unbelievers will die and fade away

Unibenstudent:
anyway if men of God like oristsejafor who identify with name of Jesus and fly with private jet and uses the jet to trasfer Nigerian funds abroad ..I must say all yee. Users of the name of Jesus are dooommmmmeDddDdD

not just only users of the name of Jesus, everybody on earth are doomed, because everybody equally comit sin.
But as many of us who believe, we are not doomed, life continues after death

Unibenstudent:
all those names are not his spiritual name,those are names which man decide to call him,,but Yahweh calls himself Yahweh..who then has right to call the most high by another name..occultic people respect the name of Yahweh,yhwh the sacred tetragrammation ..do ur research

there is nothing like spiritual name
it is not name that is important to God, what is important is identification. if you identify with God by accepting Jesus you are in the spirit

Unibenstudent:
Could it be some satanic consPiracy to hide the truth ,,because THE LORD is not a name but YAHwEH is Gods name ,y avoid the set apart and glorified name of El shaddai(God almighty) .
And also why do pastors use the name Jesus when Jesus was not even an English man but was a semitic ,meaning he was born in an aramaic and Hebrew setting and his name was YESHUA meaning salvation read Matthew 1:21 ( And she shall bring forth a son, and thou
shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save
his people from their sins.) the name Jesus has no meaning but yeshua means salvation in Hebrew..

do name matter at all? is name not only for the purpose of identification?
what will you say to Igbo, Yoruba and Itsekiri who refer to God as Chineke,Oluwa and Oritse respectively? are they wrong?
Lord is English name for God in some English bible, and it is not wrong.
every name is subjected to the culture of it origin.
and they are all original names for God, and approved by God himself, so long it is YHWH they are refering to

kwenu:
HEY ALL, PLEASE TELL ME, HOW DO I GET GODS WORD INTO MYHEART, I HAVE SOME OF HIS WORDS INSIDE ME BT I WANT MORE,
THING IS I DONT OR I CANT TRACE HOW HIS WORDS ENTERED ME,YES HIS WORDS WORK FOR ME,

EXPERIENCED AND SPIRIT FILLED XTIANS PLEASE TELL

GOD BLESS U ALL

are you a student? if you really want to understand bible you have to be admitted into a higher institution first, bible is one book that require a high level of intelligence and a better thinking capacity to understand.
the saying that, it takes the holy spirit to understand Bible is not true. All Christians have the holy spirit, but not all Christians are educated enough to understand Bible.
every chapter of the bible are combination of verses, they all have specific messages they pass across. if you don't understand the specific message a chapter or verse is trying to let you understand, there is no way that word you read can enter into your heart.
the worst is, you will hear different idea from different pastors of what that verse is saying .you will hear one idea from a pastor today, tommorow that same pastor or another pastor will give you another explanation of that same verse. you become confused and you will not get the actual message what that verse or chapter is trying to tell you.
so you must go to school first, so that when you read, you will have your own understanding for yourself

WinsomeX:
Your article has further revealed the error behind this prosperity message.

Without even going into the merit and demerit of tithing, it's clear that the OP sees "tithing" as principle to success. So you can be an armed bandit, a harlot, defraud a country, corrupt, etc; it doesn't matter. What matters is that you tithe and prosperity will come rushing.

The next twist of these thinkers is that they then get a convert and the first practical thing taught them is tithing.

Tithing may be a law of success for the false church but it has no place in the true gathering of God's saints.

tithe wasn't meant for Christians in bible days, I don't know why today Christians will allow themselves to be defrauded by greedy pastors who make old testament their religion.
everybody who work hard in this life prosper. it is God that give rain and sunlight to everybody.
nobody's success in life is dependent on tithe

danypack7:
"Don't tithe to men, tithe to God". Tithing does release tremendous blessings when you give in a fertile ground - that is the right place. Not every church today is of God, remember.

look my friend, every church is of God, so long they preach Jesus Christ

denisbid:
when the purpose of a thing is not known, abuse is inevitable

exactly

Pavore9:
Na today?...I wonder how people go about as if their salvation is dependent on Catholics renouncing their faith, abeg make una dey go una "heaven" make we see road. PRAISE BE TO JESUS, HONOUR TO MARY!

I think, PRAISE BE TO JESUS is like saying, we worship Jesus.
And HONOR TO MARY is like saying, we honor Mary?
if this is true, we know that WORSHIP and HONOR are not the same thing.
then, why are we fighting Catholics?
can't we see that they worship Jesus as much as we do? which is the most important thing

Christianity is supposed to be seen as one religion. but if you ask people like oledepo who didn't go to school on time, he will tell you that Christianity is not a religion. now they are turning it to fraternity way of life. please, is this the kind of thing Jesus thought us? i don't think so.

Iceflox:
in the real sense, witchcraft or whatever, is never a spiritual thing as believed by Africans.,
any immoral act done to the extreme is regarded as witchcraft.
for instance, if you lie always and in such a way that people cannot easily detect, it is witchcraft.
these are physical things

how about sorcery? do sorcery exist?
or can you distinguish between witchcraft, magic and sorcery?

Alexis86:
hmmm! thanks a lot,
you know, at a time i had considered quitting Christianity because i began to see no sense in religion. thank God there are people like you who had understanding of the religion, i am beginning to see the sense in Christianity. i always know that any religion or thoughts which is not geared towards intellectual development of it's adherents and consequently, towards the development of the nation,is not worth to be practiced.
you have proved to me that, the reason why athiests will remain athiests is because they are yet to hear the other side of Christianity because Nigerian Christians and pastors could not understand and explain.
it's obvious that, Nigerians in general are practising the Christianity blindly.
they turn it into a hunt for social and financial gratification
this conversation has greatly encouraged me to hold firmly to my christian faith, honestly, i intended to quit
thanks

I'm happy to hear this, sorry i was away

dein77:
Bro, JWs are NOT Christians. Anybody that denies the Godhead of Christ are NOT Christians.

you have a point there,
they say he is not God, he is a son, like every other prophets

Ukutsgp:
@paxonel.
christians are not perfectly united in one mind and with one judgement. everyone follows his own view whether it conform with that of christ or not. if i speak A and u speak B, we are not one. we are speaking different thing hence not united. why can't Christians worship God under one body church? why denominationalism? why sectarianism? it makes other religion to see christians as confused people.

Jehovah witness said there is no hell fire, Redeem said that there is hell fire. wont someone listening to them be confused? it means that one of them have deviated from the words of christ thereby not following christ.

that is true

Ukutsgp:
1corinthians 1:10-13.


10 Now I plead with you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment. 11 For it has been declared to me concerning you, my brethren, by those of Chloe’s household, that there are contentions among you. 12 Now I say this, that each of you says, “I am of Paul,” or “I am of Apollos,” or “I am of Cephas,” or “I am of Christ.” 13 Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Or were you baptized in the name of Paul?


God is not the author of confusion but it seems that there is confusion in Christendom today. it seems that Christians are longer united. different churches has their own doctrines and belief. Christians no longer speak the same thing. they no longer have one mind and are no longer ready to embrace one another.

the question is, why the division? is Christ divided?
why are we not speaking the same thing? why are we not united in the faith?

why is it that the catholic are not speaking the same thing with Christ embassy, why is Christ embassy not speaking the same thing with celestial church, why is celestial church not speaking the same thing with Redeem christian church of God, why is Redeem christian church of God not speaking the same thing with seventh day adventist, why is seventh day adventist not speaking the same thing with Deeper life church, why is Deeper life church not speaking the same thing with church of Christ, why is church of Christ not speaking the same thing with Methodist church, why is Methodist church not speaking the same thing church of God mission, why is church of God mission not speaking the same thing with mountain of fire and miracles and why is mountain of fire and miracles not speaking the same thing with Jehovah witness?
is the bible not the same? are we not serving one God? and having one faith?

Ephesians 4:3-6
3 endeavoring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace. 4 There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called in one hope of your calling; 5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism; 6 one God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you a all.

Jesus wants the church to be united and be one. John 17:21.

we should not allow the atheist and Muslim to mock us. let the church find a lasting solution to this problem of division in doctrines and all others.
,
now, what are the solutions to this problems in Christendom? your views is needed.

i think that, Christianity is not divided.
we only have the problem of Bible interpretation which is common in all religions because no one human being on earth is perfect.
the 1 Corinthians 1:10-13 you quoted is a case of not just a divided religion but a confused one as well, and should not be used to compare and explain the problem of today Christianity.
if you take a critical look at that 1 Corinthians 1:12 you quoted
1 Corinthians 1:12 Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul(meaning,Paul is the founder of my religion, not Christ );
and I of Apollos(meaning, Apollos is the founder of my religion, not Christ );
and I of Cephas;(meaning, cephas is the the founder of my religion, not Christ )
and I of Christ.(meaning, Christ is the founder of my religion, therefore i am a Christian).
yet, they were all converted(to convert means to make people change their religion ) into Christianity by Paul initially, but later,they began to see their closest local leader in the same Christianity they were converted into, as the founder of their new religion rather than seeing Jesus as the founder.
remember, Jesus is the founder of Christianity just like Mohammed founded Islam and Abraham founded Judaism. and Christianity was new at that time
but Paul told them,in
1 Corinthians 1:13 Is Christ divided?(meaning, is Jesus founded Christianity only for you adherents of Christianity (christians ) to later say Paul or Apollos or cephas founded the religion?
was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?
God (which also implies Jesus the author or founder of Christianity ) did not found confusion (a confused religion )
now, with this, we can know the key index of a confused religion which i don't think do exist (even if it exist it will never stand the test of time, it adherents will soon disperse to other religions)
a confused religion is a religion whose members have divided views, as to, who founded the religion in question.
i don't think this is the case in Christianity today , because everybody in Christianity (Catholic or Protestants) have it or believe,that Jesus is their founder and the Messiah, which is the basis of our unity, AND OUR SALVATION , so we are not divided.
the only problem we have is Bible interpretation problem, not the problem of not accepting or confessing Jesus ,to go and confess Paul or Apollos or cephas as our saviour.
Bible interpretation problem has caused the division you are seeing, so that we now have Catholic, protestants with different sects.
it happen because christians don't study their bible, they only read it for religious gratification.
it is like this in all religions.
therefore, it is not Christianity or the Bible or God that is confused but it is the people practising the religion that are confused (especially all our pastors ).
Bible has one message which is LOVE, and is summarized into two.
1. Love God with all your heart (by believing in Christ )
2.Love your neigbour as yourself (keep the laws of moses )
we have no problem with no1,but no2 is giving us severe headache to keep because our pastors don't study (prominent pastors ),so we suffer a lot .
thank God, our salvation is not based on no2 but no1, because, everybody for dey hell fire by now.

Iceflox:
you are very correct!, but how does this help us to replenish the earth?

like is said, i makes it convient for us to think and work hard. it set our priority in life straight, we just know that while we go about our normal duty in life we are justified, unlike some who thinks the best place God want them to be is not their office or anywhere else, But their church, by that, they live in boundage

Alexis86:
interesting,
i believe there should be scriptures that point to all these, because, personally, i prefer this state of freedom

you know,the fire on the ulter in the old covenant symbolizes worship and this fire was commanded that it should be burnt without quenching
Leviticus 6:13 The fire shall ever be burning upon the altar; it shall never go out.
this was a shadow of the true worship that is to come in the new convent
before the manifestion of the true worshipers who are Christians, Jesus, who the true worship is to be towards God came in the flesh and encountered a Samaritan woman, the woman told him in
John 4:20 Our fathers worshipped in this mountain; and ye say, that in Jerusalem is the place where men ought to worship.
remember, the temple at Jerusalem was the place of worship for the Jews.
then Jesus told her in
John 4:21 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father.
meaning, mountain or temple building and all the ordinances in them are vanity,they will not be needed again to worship God when the time comes
and that time has come, that time is now
so, there is no justification for Christians going to church to worship God, church is a mere building,because the building and everything inside and all its ordinances are all vanity before God, they will collapse someday ,
But the building may be useful atleast to house belivers when they gather
gathering is important but it is not mandatory,anybody can choose not to gather, it's not by force.
when the disciples began to admire temple building this is what he told them
Matthew 24:2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
meaning, it will collapse one day, that implies, we don't need building and it ordinances to worship God
so, what does it mean to worship God in spirit and in truth?
it simply means to believe in Christ and to be in a state of grace.
by believing,, you are already an epitome of worship before God, when God looks at you he sees unquenchable fire burning.
God is everywhere at the same magnitude of his presence,,inside church, in your office, in your toilet, so there is no hiding place.
every micro seconds of our lives is worship, we don't have any worship time
nothing like sabath day
nothing like Sunday Sunday church church
all days are equal before God.
Nigerians know this truth, But it baffles me the way they have become religious people, church this, church that.
they don't have any thing to show for it but corruption.
obviously, God is not happy with such religious nations

Alexis86:
is it the roman Catholic state of grace you are talking about? you know, the general idea among the protestants is that, worship is the same thing as going to church, close your eyes, raise your holy hands and sing to God

it's not the roman catholic state of grace i am talking about.
a state of grace is, when you believe in Jesus and you are saved
everybody in Christianity are already in that state of grace (Catholics or protestants),just because we believe only.
at this point, you are already in the worship state or worship mode.
you don't need to go to church to raise holy hands

Alexis86:
i believe that there should be no sentimental judgment when it comes to issues that deals with religion and our general lives.
consider the word WORSHIP, we know that we were created to worship God, and beyond any doubt, you proved that we were created to replenish this earth, i don't know

actually, a state of worship (also known as a state of grace ) allows us the convenience to think, and work towards replenishing this earth.

Iceflox:
i still think there African traditional values that should be emulated

yeah,
there are moral values that should be emulated in African traditions..example, in music and dancing, in fashion and design, in relationships, food and commerce etc,
But there are other values that are not making the traditions attractive at all, most of which are in the area of traditional governments, laws and customs..
example, the man who is head of the family will want to suppress the opinion of his wife and children,nobody will question him, simply because he is head.
this kind of mindset is reflected in Nigerian politics.
Government officials will be corrupt and nobody will question them
lecturers will slash students scores, nobody will question him
pastors will be doing injustice in disguise of the Scripture, touch not my anointed, and nobody dares to challenge them
these are the kind of things we should do away with, if this country must move forward