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Op you stress yourself so much trying to change the meaning of wine. If you have a dictionary quickly go there and check up "Wine". Wine according to the dictionary is an alcoholic drink. Now you seem to be more educated than the Bible translators. There is nothing like non alcoholic juice wine. On the Pentecost day when the holy spirit came upon the disciples, they spoke in different tongues. People watching them said that these people are filled with " wine ". This was because it was only" wine" that could make them behave in a such a manner. Jn 2: 10...you cannot talk of someone being "drunk" on juice or non alcoholic drink. In Matthew 11:18-19 Jesus also spoke of how John the Baptist came to the world, he doesn't drink and eat..and he was said to be possessed by demon but the Son of man came, drinking and eating and they say behold a glutton and a drunkard and a friend of tax collectors and sinners. Stop twisting the bible to accommodate your false teaching. 1Corr 11: 20. States clearly that even in super celebration they drink alcohol (wine) not juice as you claim. Otherwise, why will anyone get drunk with juice? Read 1Timorthy 5:23.."No longer drink only water, but use a little wine for the sake of your stomach and your frequent ailments". The bible however, condemns excessive alcoholic drink to the extent of getting drunk....1Timorthy 3:1 If anyone aspires to the office of a bishop, he desires a noble task. Now a bishop must be above reproach, and no drunkard. 1Timothy 3:8..."Deacons likewise should not be addicted to too much wine"...1 Timothy 4: 1-6...Now the spirit expressly says that in later tines some will depart from the faith by giving heed to deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons, through the pretensions of liars whose consciences are seared, who FORBID MARRIAGE AND ENJOIN ABSTINENCE FROM FOODS WHICH GOD CREATED TO BE RECEIVED WITH THANKSGIVING BY THOSE WHO BELIEVE AND KNOW THE TRUTH FOR EVERYTHING CREATED BY GOD IS GOOD, AND NOTHING IS TO BE REJECTED IF IT IS RECEIVED IN THANKSGIVING; FOR THEN IT IS CONSECRATED BY THE WORD OF GOD AND PRAYER

alBHAGDADI:
Hello,

There's this wrong believe among Christians that the Bible supports drinking alcohol but only in moderation. They say we can drink alcohol but we shouldn't get drunk. Well, I will be using Bible verses to show that Christians are not to look at alcohol not to talk of drinking it. Also, this thread will debunk common lies told to support drinking alcohol e.g Jesus turning water to wine.

The word wine is mentioned 231 times in the Bible. But the mistake we make today is that we think the wine mentioned is just alcholic wine. Half the time wine is mentioned in the Bible, it is about fruit juice.

In the Greek and Hebrew languages in which the Bible was written in, the word translated as wine was used to refer to alcohol and also fruit juice. So when those who translated the Bible into English did so, they had to look for an English word which could mean alcoholic beverage and fruit juice. That word is wine. You might wonder why the translators didn't make things easy for us by just writing fruit juice when the verse is talking of fruit juice and write alcoholic beverage when it's about alcohol. The thing is, doing such would mean they are injecting their own idea into the Bible.

Now, in modern times, we have this believe that wine means an alcoholic drinks. That's why we think the word wine in the Bible is always referring to alcohol. Let's me show you that wine in the Bible doesn't always mean alcoholic beverage but fruit juice.



As seen above, wine is found in the cluster i.e wine still in the cluster of grapes. This is purely fruit juice and not alcoholic.

However, grapes usually have a white powdery film around it called yeast. It is that yeast that is made use of to make alcoholic wine. They crush the grapes and in the process the yeast mixed with the fruit juice that was inside grape cluster. Next fermentation takes place then the result if alcoholic wine. Most times, wine makers add more yeast to attain the desired alcohol level. So you see, wine moved from normal fruit juice before it became alcoholic wine after yeast was added.

Now, there are two types of wine as explained above: The alcoholic and fruit juice. There's a certain type of wine the Bible said we shouldn't even look at, not to talk of touching our lips with it. Read the passage below.



The verse above is talking about alcoholic wine. It even describes fermentation process. It says we shouldn't even look at that type of wine. Yet some folks say we can drink it in moderation.



It describes the feeling one gets after drinking alcohol. It's a horrible feeling.



Have you ever had alcohol such that after taking it, women whom you would never touch with a ten foot poll suddenly start looking attractive to you? The above verse describes it as the effect of alcohol. It also describes how you start saying all sorts of junks which you would not normal say.



Remember when you lie down after taking alcohol and the whole bed seems like you are swimming, and also you feel like you are floating and your eyes being dizzy. That's the feeling described.



After the whole horrible night and you wake up to hangover, what's the cure drunkards usual prescribe? They say to cure hangover, start drinking again. That's what the above passage described.

Yet, some people say we can drink alcohol in moderation and that it only becomes a sin when we get drunk. Sorry buddy, the Bible says don't even look at it.

The Bible doesn't say we should drink alcohol in moderation. It says we should be sober at all times (1 Thessalonians 5:6 Titus 2:3).

Now let's see the common verses people love to twist to try to say we can drink alcohol

The first is found in the passage where Jesus turned water into wine. They fail to realize that it was fruit juice kind of wine, not the alcoholic or fermented one. Let's examine the passage carefully.



According to some people, it was alcoholic wine Jesus turned water into and gave the people at the wedding to drink. However, a closer look shows that not to be the case.

Pay close attention to verse 10 where the Bible says when men have well drunk. Let's see how the New International Version (NIV) renders that verse.



If it was alcoholic wine Jesus turned water into, then it basically means he wanted to destroy the guests at the wedding. After they have had too much to drink, Jesus decided to give them more. That means if there were cars back then, many would have accidentally on their way home. Remember the passage in Proverbs 23 which talks about the horrible effects alcohol. If we say these people were already drunk on alcohol, then Jesus just helped them double those effect in their life by giving them more. This means they would start to behold strange women and say perverse things. Now, tell me, who would want to listen to Jesus preach the next morning after the "alcoholic wine" he gave them to drink made some of the men to sleep with their housemaid to the anger of their wives? Made them to saw perverse things to their boss? Made them to sleep in the gutter? Yet you say Jesus gave people alcohol to drink.

Jesus didn't give anybody alcohol to drink. Doing so would mean he's a liar. Remember what he said in the passage below.



If it was alcoholic wine Jesus turned water into at the wedding in Cana, then he abolished the law and the prophet which spoke against alcoholic wine in Proverbs 23:31. So clearly it wasn't alcoholic wine he turned water into but fruit juice.

Another passage people love to use for an excuse to drink alcohol is seen below.

Mathew 11:18-19
18 For John came neither eating nor drinking, and they say, He hath a devil.
19 The Son of man came eating and drinking, and they say, Behold a man gluttonous, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners. But wisdom is justified of her children.

The above passage talks about a false accusations against Jesus who pointed out how they also falsely accused John the Baptist. Yet, some people will say because Jesus was accused of being a drunkard then it means he use to drink alcohol. Was John the Baptist possessed with a devil? No, but he was accused of such. I now wonder why you believe Jesus drank alcohol due to some false accusations. Remember, the accusation is that he was a drunkard. So if you use this verse to justify drinking alcohol, then don't get angry when some tells you that Jesus use to fall into gutter after getting drunk; he use to behold strange women and say perverse things. Can you see how wrong they are with their interpretation of the passage?

Another verse they use is seen below.




They pick the verse out context and say God is telling us that we can buy alcohol and drink it. If you read the previous verses, you will see that the context is about tithing. Those items listed alongside strong drink are to be brought to the temple for sacrifice to God. Some are eating, but it excludes the strong drink because nowhere in the above passage does it say drink the strong drink, same way it doesn't say drink the oil. Now, see what the strong drink is used for.



The strong drink or wine is poured out onto the Lord for a drink offering. It is not to be drank at all. But people have twisted the verse in Deutoronomy 14:26 to mean God is saying we can drink alcohol even when he said in Proverbs 23 that we shouldn't even look at it.

Guys, drinking alcohol is a sin and every Christian should abstain from it. Don't let anybody fool you into think moderation is the key. A little sip sends your good sense of judgment out the window. That's when another glass or bottle won't seem like a bad idea. And note, wine has tripple alcohol content that four bottles of beer. So don't think drinking a glass of wine is sophisticated. You are emore alcoholic than the beer drinker.

That's how people filled with hate reason...just allow him to be roped and bathed in his own hate and failure

frosbel2:
okay thanks

Let him wear anything he feels like wearing so far he feels good about it. Those killing themselves that he wore suit in hot sun should sholve their advice up their black asses. No one would have noticed him if he was like everyone else. Besides, we sometimes have a idea of how we would want to dress, look or behave...successful people start those attributes even before they become it. Success to my brother. Corporate water company you will have...just a matter of time

I don't argue with charlatans

Westtimeline:
[s][/s]Balderdash. No oil in anambra. Stop deceiving yourself. Which oil in in imo, the combine imo and abia not up to 1%. You must be a kindergarten kid.

Its just a matter of time before the base would give way. The country as it stands today is unsustainable and skewed against the Igbos. Igbo people are different and they don't like being boxed to a corner. Sometime, someday whatever is temporarily holding the current status will give way, except if Nigeria reverts to true federalism.

Igbanke in Edo State are Igbos. We have Yorubas, Igbos etc in Edo state[author=Mynd44 post=81299619]Number 200

Kanuri not Kanufi

Add Kogi state to Igbo

And Edo to Yoruba[/quote]

Seems you are still in secondary school.... The recent deal worth billions of dollars between NPDC and Sterling Global is located in IMO State. Egbema LGA to be precise. Abia state has oil. Anambra state is the home of Orient Petroleum Resources. The fight between some part of Anambra and Kogi over land issues was based on the excess deposit of natural gas within the area. In fact, talks are almost concluded to lay pipes from Anambra to Lagos for the purposes of gas supply. Currently, two gas plant constructions are ongoing at Umueje and Omasi in Anambra State. Several others about to commence at Abia State. So shut your mouth

Westtimeline:
[s][/s]As usual. Land grabbing. They are trying to grab rivers. Come to rivers and say this if you are the son of your father. Yorubas own ondo and the oil in ondo belong to them. No oil in igboland.

Truth be told.

And you made some sense there bro. We have had presidents from the south....they did nothing about it

blacknp:
Why blame President Buhari for a system created by your own fore fathers and pdp? Hypocrite, was it President Buhari that wrote the Constitution and The Laws of The Federation of Nigeria?

Why didn’t Jonathan and pdp change the quota system in their era,if they felt it wasn’t fair?

And who tells you that Igbos don't have love for Nigeria such that they would align with their killer? Igbos seek exit from Nigeria not because they hate Nigeria or Nigerians but because the current state of things in Nigeria are skewed against them. Certainly, a South Africa that kills Nigerians will as well kill Biafrans.

Your write up is in order. I have said it here that what Igbos face in Nigeria is hate fueled by fear among other tribes. They wonder how an Igbo man with zero opportunity could rise so fast, so the strategy became to gang up against them, deny them of all opportunities, and never allow them smell the high rank of the military, Navy, police, presidency etc. Making sure that they never rise up....however, that won't be for long....the oppressed shall certainly be free someday and oppressor become the oppressed. Igbos will rise, its inevitable.

With the current disunity and distrust in the south where Southeast and South South seem to have some level of relationship and South West having good relationship with the North, it will be difficult. Certainly, power is going back to the North and may as well remain there until the entire south learn their lesson. Its not a question of what you want. Its unlikely that APC will field in someone from the East or South South. If APC chooses someone from the West, the entire south east and south south would want to pay them back by supporting Atiku/Obi if PDP fields them again. The North will always go for their own any time any day. At the end the South will lose out for the next 8yrs and the scenario continues. However, anything can happen... God is still God and he does what is just fine by him

They have never posted anything factual my brother...and they won't post any time soon. Its piteous, poignant and utterly pathetic. Concerning the Northern population, that's entirely a systematic fraud perpetuated to keep the entire country on a political subjugation

Ikeg1:
I'm already aware of that. When I used to believe in Nigeria, I did papers continuously on the country since it was easier for me to research that country. I actually believed the statistics they were bringing until actually after joining this forum. I recalled one individual on this forum exposed how Niggeria fabricates their numbers on Cocoa exportation. Even though, the topic resulted to tribal fights, it actually took me my shock that a country will actually fabricate their numbers and literally post it even though it's easily discoverable by comparing figures of countries that ranked higher than them in production of the product. It was ridiculous to me. After that, in the last project I ever did on Nigeria, I actually contacted each number provided by NBS for each state to get an overview of how they arrived to their figure. I swear on everything I hold dear, not one fucking state, one single state could actually explain how they concluded to the numbers they gave. I swear on everything I hold dear. I doubt anything posted by them have been factual for years.

Heck on this same forum, I recall someone posted the last statistics conducted by British on Niggeria's population. Ironically, if my memory serves me right, the North had the least populace on that graph if my memory serves me right. After that, the first stats done by Nigerians, the North population sky rocketed by only God knows how. Unless the North shaged and birthed like rats, that should have been an impossible figure to reach. That's actually why I stopped listening to any statistics by the Niggerian state or federal government. I don't think they've ever posted anything factual since the British left.

People who are not involved in any form of national data management don't have the slightest info on how we almost don't have any reliable data. I have had the opportunity of discussing this same issue with three of a Federal parastatal's directors in one of the ministries., they lamented how they were unable to get WHO funding simply because as a ministry they didn't have a single reliable and defendable data which was unfortunately the major prerequisite for such funding. At best, what we do is guess work. For Nigeria to get anything right, this foundation would have to completely destroyed because it was based on greed and tribalistic inclination to the detriment of reliability and transparency. Every data is doctored to attract undue political favours

Ikeg1:
Ignore that guy. He has poor comprehension on wtf he reads or at least pretends to read.

Even in the statistics he speaks of NBS mentioned "States with a higher propensity for women to be housewives or stay home husbands or that havenegative attitudes to working tend to have lower unemployment rates, as they are not considered part of the labor force in the first place, and as such have no bearing on the rate of unemployment."
Therefore indicating housewives, stay at home husband or anyone with negative opinion about employment are intentionally omitted from their statistics.

According to the rest of the world, especially UN, Niggeria unemployment rate is increasing but according to their government it's only 35.2% unemployed. 35.2% yet majority of their citizens are hustling, begging, or even thugging is to stay afloat. Yet only 35.2% are unemployed. They are only decieving themselves

There are laid down scientific ways of arriving at some of these data, if you get the primary data wrong all other data will be based on the wrong data thereby making a mess of every other secondary data generated from the primary one. We don't have any data right except the data that states the number of senators, house of rep members and Governors. Unemployment rate is far above what is reported. And I repeat, all data supplied by any arm/agency of government in this country is a mere conjecture

Iblad0994:
Well you might be right by your statement about Nigeria not having a reliable data. But at least we should be able to work with the one provided by NBS even if it will be with like 60% confidence.

Do you agree the National unemployment rate is 23.1% according to NBS? Since we know their data might be fake the that means all the unemployment figure we've had sine 1999 till date is fake, and also the world in general is using fake data to judge Nigeria all this while.

Although if your logic seems to be right, then I can confidently say Nigeria unemployment figure will be worse than the 23.1% currently reported by NBS and those of past years might also be worse or what do you think.

See this one

OsunOriginal:
I pity you! The same thing you're doing in SA that has brought hell to your people living there. Continue... keep thinking nothing can happen to you in Nigeria. When we have it up to here with you, what you're facing in SA will be a child play.

Don't mind these silly people everywhere.

athaboi:
Dump op, what message do you intend to pass with this garbage Oloriburuku

Nigeria as a whole doesn't have any reliable fact on anything.. Not even our population. Any data from the Federal Republic of Nigeria is formulated and not a true representation of the reality but rather a conjecture. Mind you, most of these small businesses are not registered with CAC. So how exactly did they arrive at that ? Through Nigeria population? Through registered businesses? Through tax paid by employed Nigerians in public or private sector or both? We gat no data right in this country. Not even the volume of crude exported that people are employed to monitor.

Iblad0994:
Business owners are counted too, they are categorized as employed if I am not wrong. That is why I put up the definition of employment rate given by NBS.

And please stop that statement that Igbos are business owner, what about the other tribes? You mean other tribes don't own business also.

Do you mean the Yorubas don own business too? Or what exactly do you mean by Igbo own business?

That is a flawed reasoning and stop giving statistics with no verifiable facts.

You are correct on this[author=Alexis11 post=81929012]Oby is in SA now for World Economic summit where the poor Nigerians are been massacred in cold blood but I didn't hear anybody shouting "betrayers"....

But if it was a Yoruba politician the whole cyberspace would have been painted with "sell out! betrayers!! Afonja!!!" by her kinsmen.


Funny people. [/quote]

This is the definition of selfishness, greed and stupidity.

Say it the way it is boss....no time for sugar coating shit...Real Men let their stand stand out

Cool

Some Nigerians called on Boko haram to attack south Africa.... This is a sign of total government/leadership failure... Boko boys are perceived to be more sympathetic than this government... People tend to be circumspect in their comments on the bad treatments meted to Nigerians abroad because our government does worse things. ...

Shut that trap. People's lives are lost and you are talking crap

theenchanter:
Moghalu shouldn't say such a thing, that's uncalled for...... the matter should be diplomatically resolved.

This is what I am talking about not all these " let-them-not-say" comments coming from fearful people. Say it the way it is biko.

Playing safe...they really do not care, all he is saying is.."hey don't bring down my masts in your backyard "

What are they afraid of?? They should say it the way it is.....plenty "preaching"

There is nothing like Nigerians. This country will never work unless we revert to true federalism or the country divides. A situation where a "Nigerian is killed and persons check out names to know the tribe before they react?.... I spit on this shit called Nigeria...Tuuaaaahh

Ziel20:
If only all Nigerians will come out in one accord and storm Shorprite with wreckless abandon.

By the time they loose good worth millions they'll call their countrymen to order.


Rubbish

Cr7 my real G

Ok. For those who have mixed feelings about black colour...I am yet to see someone on white tattoo....

Fantastic. However, anything "win" I don't contemplate. Bring #100 win 1billion ....not for me.
There is this guy that I know somewhere... He believes that he would win #20million with #500 someday ....he might just win it by 2040, who knows

Buhari is a monumental fiasco. A ludicrous and humiliating ooze of incompetence.

Nice one from the Governor