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Any atheist that regard the belief in a God as illogical, is simply a pot calling the kettle black.

lepasharon:
Religion breeds morality my foot

Dont blame religion, blame those practising wrongly.

@beejay, you are about risking so much,for so little, if this challenge goes on as planned.

I was expecting Biscuits production.

Op could you please, introduce yourself.

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Hi

It is obviously not normal, the only thing i can equate homosexuality to, is madness.

foladara777:
- u don't see anything. Don't assume. I speak in tongues too, I have literally fallen under the 'anointing' too but that's not enough proof that the holy spirit is responsible... I don't believe that an all powerful God requires people to fall and wound themselves or sometimes expose their underwear for an almighty being t impart them

so what other proof do you want, what could be more striking than the expérience you had ? Do you have any scientific explanation to prove that people fall involuntarily when air is blown on them ?

The truth is, You never wanted proof in the first place, even if the holyspirit literally appears to you, you will call his a appearance a figment of your imagination.
When you are told about the holyspirit or about people falling under the Annointing, you ask for proof, now that you've experienced things for yourself, you are now suggesting better methods Thé holyspirit can use in imparting people.

really ? what about religious people that later turn atheist, does atheism automatically enhance their IQ level ?


Aside that, i Will say that your belief system has no effect On your intelligence, anybody can be dumb or intelligent irrespective of their belief system.
Religious people have contributed To science Just as much as atheists if not more, as a matter of fact the Father of modern science was religious, did his belief reduce his IQ ? The thread is really unnecessary.

ifenes:
You are on the right path. First thing you have done right is to get out of that prison- religion and start the process to awaking your Genius. It is okay to be an Atheist but do know you have only opened a door. Do not stand at the door because if you did you will be a stagnant Athiest. You need to find out more about the Mental Universe and how it can work for you.

Its suprising how People make religion seem like an ingenuity inhibitor. So the genius of Isaac Newton, René Descartes, Galileo Galilei, Nicholas corpernicus etc were all dormant because they believed in God ?

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benzics:
Can you name any scientific fact that scientists believe without it making sense? FYI, Neil Armstrong took pictures on the moon, and was actually sent to the moon by NASA. . Now, in science, if you bring a theory that makes sense but you still have no proof, as long as it makes sense! We will consider the theory, most of Einstein's theories are still in there theoretical states waiting for someone to evaluate it.. But telling me about a talking snake, flying horse(Quran), worldwide flood and other illogical Nonsense, you would have to show a solid proof, before you are being considered.. That's the difference between science and religion

Am not talking of the scientists that believed, afterall they have every reason to, some of them were actually there, during Armstrong's departure to space and also witnessed his return.
My question is to you the atheist, Were you there ? and you also talked about pictures, If pictures is all you rely On as proof, then what makes you different from the theist ? If you've watched movies like À space Odyssey, Moon, Apollo 13, etc you Will realise that they actually looked real even when they aren't.


when Atheists asks theists for proofs of miracles, the theist provides pictures, videos and stories of their personal expériences. which the atheist ends up rejecting

When theists also ask atheists for their reason for believing in scientific assertions which we cannot physically confirm. They also provides the same pictures, video and stories of the personal expériences of other scientists. even the theist is still one step further, at least some of them expérienced things for themselves.

yet they claim that everything they believe are always backed with solid proof.

Boyooosa:
... and if they choose to, what is the essence? Brother, am not too bothered about them parading armed men in every public event they attend, its their choice as u rightly mentioned. But from my own perspective, I want to believe that men of God are supposed to be role models for human race which means that their followers can always emulate them for the good things they do (No perfect man anyway, so they have shortfalls). In a situation where someone like Baba Adeboye or Bishop Oyedepo does something that can be easily criticized, then u should imagine what will happen in the next few days to such action (Remix everywhere, both with good and bad intention... I hope u understand what I mean). Fine, we are talking about 'Faith Based' Organisation and someone needs to lead by example to show the faith, then who is showing it if Baba Adeboye is not doing that? I am not requesting Baba Adeboye to go and preach in Zambisa Forest (laffs) without adequate security, what am reflecting here is that Baba Adeboye should let every believer understands and rest assures that "God is the Only and Only competent Protector". Play out this scenario: If RCCG @ KM46, Lagos/Ibadan Expressway is being listed by BH for attack; it will be suicidal for him and his followers to say they dont need Battalions of Army (even when God sent Saul to war, he gave him the precise numbers of Army he will need to fight the war) in front of their Gate (even God will blame him). But as a Christian leader, and you want to go out for an occasion or probably crusade in a peaceful but rowdy place like Oshodi, me am seeing the act of going with Men with AK47 as a Show of Shame (just like the way it was displayed in that pix we saw). Gun kills bro, its better you consult God before your outing and hear an audible NOD of God b4 going for such occasion than to be causing this kind of discussion we are having here. The only convincing reason i can accept here is if you tell me its an instruction from God and not like; Its their personal choice or intent behind it. Happy Sunday Bro!

Ok i get your point, moderation is the key, they shoudn't over do it, (as regards that pis) the carrying of guns,considering the location they where was a little bit unecesssrary.


Happy sunday to you too Bro.

ScienceWatch:
I Apologize my man !

No problem Bro

benzics:
I don't believe in the supernatural because I haven't experienced one, and people who usually experience those are often religious, and religious people are not to be trusted, cuz they bring claims without proof!

Once upon a time, humans thought hurricanes were as a result of God's anger, until science studied the cause of Hurricanes and people no longer think it's supernatural.. Don't worry, science is progressing, and I long for the day where there will be no, not even one religious person. And then will the world become a better place!.

A relative of mine received instant healing from a crusade, and not that the condition reoccurred again, so that we can assume that it was Just a coincidence. What other proof of the miraculous could be more than that.
When you were told that neil Armstrong landed On the moon, you believed right ? did you go with him ? "have you experienced the feeling of being in the moon for yourself before believing ?
Note: I'm not saying that it is a lie, but you atheists tend to believe so many scientific assertions On hearsay basis, but when it comes to religion you ask for concrete proofs before believing.

Even when theists provide video coverages as evidence you discredit it, whereas that is all it takes for you to believe claims made by science. You dont wait till you experience it physically before you believe or do you ?

Just because you don't understand why things happen do not mean it was done by God !



really, so how Côme the things that happen wait till they get associated with God before they happen.

and you said there was nothing supernatural about that, do People now regain sight On daily bases unaided.?


or is that you dont believe the supernatural exists or you dont want it to exist.

benzics:
What was the case of your relative, if he was merely sick, then please spare me the trash, but if he was blind, deaf, dumb, hiv positive, ebola victim,crippled.. Then may I know about it?

He had visual impairment that made him not to see clearly right from a young age. during Apostle suleiman's crusade in Benin last two years or there about, he recieved his healing and up till now there was never a reoccurence.

benzics:
Supernatural occurrence in what manner?

A miracle is a supernatural occurrence.

benzics:
Incase you don't know, these "miracles" are tricks and illusions! If you want to argue on this, let me ask you, do you have anybody that you have known for long to have physical defects, like being blind, cripple (someone you know face to face, not I hear).. and they went through healing and became OK? Do you know any?

Supernatural occurrence in what manner?

Yes a relative of mine.

benzics:
That's where you guys keep getting it all wrong! Science doesnt know all and it doesn't claim to know all, there are steps things follow before they become a scientific fact.. we have the observation, theory, experimentation and many more before you get your result, and if another research counters it, we easily adjust.

But for someone to have a certain definition of how the earth was created, and people believe his books of lies, without any, not even an atom of proof.. That goes a long way to show how ignorant religious people are..

If evolution doesn't make sense to you, but a talking snake does, hmm, I don't even know what to say to you.

If you believe that nothing can come from nothing, but you believe God came from nothing, you have to start questioning your intelligence seriously.

Nobody is saying Science does not make sense, I only said that there are things in existence today, that science and logic cannot explain, but does not under rule the fact that these things are in existence.


My belief in God is not strictly confined to the bible, (but the bible is part of it), Apart from what is recorded in the bible, we have contemporary or everyday situations that Serve as proof of God's existence. one of which includes miracles or supernatural occurrences

Boyooosa:
All through our chats, u v always made sense to me but sitting on the fence on the question "good or bad" is why am typing this, which may be my last comment. Is it good or bad to have armed men as your security while on public tour? simfu! Am verbatim that there is no call for such action except in a situation where God has informed such person that He is not sufficient for him and that, he can seek further protection. Afterall, a pastor or a prophet does not have anything to do with a physical war but spiritual warfare. So, why the need for physical weapons while the WORD of God can turn a city to ash. Bro, I dont drag with God's Might, instead I abide with basic law of Human's constitution... such as; dont go out in the night, dont steal, dont womanise, dont drink to stupor and most importantly, dont dare the Devil!

Personally i believe its a thing of choice, and not necessarily à good thing or bad thing. It is just like asking if it is good or bad for us to travel by boat or ship instead of us to simply walk On water Just like Christ did........Or dont we believe in God's ability to protect us ?

I believe l'm chatting with a christian, so i would say, Annoting level differs, if a Man of God feels that he has gotten to the level where angels now literally escort him to wherever he goes and there will be no need for guards then 5n.
But until then he shouldn't tempt God.
Jesus had the ability to turn stones to bread but still yet, he didn't, does this make him false ? Of course not.


The summary is that they can choose to, and can choose not to, and is not necessarily à display of righteousness or sinfulness.

Hope this helps.

benzics:
What I don't understand? Lol... It's simple.. Apply Logic..
Is Santa Claus real? You can easily tell that he is not real, just like saying that god is not real

Going by your logic, it also means That, we can also easily say that the earth is static, because it appears to be so ?
Not everything is as it seems, Not everything that sounds logical is actually logical in the real sense and vice versa.
Even the science which you uphold with so much esteem, make mistakes and adjust their theories from time to time.
There was a time we believed in geocentricity, a concept that suggests earth to be the Centre of the universe with other planetary bodies orbiting it. why ? because our physical perception of it, made us think that way.

What I'm saying is that, what you call logical today becomes illogical tomorrow.
Their a lot of things that logic cant explain but does not stop them from existing, The Existence of God inclusive.

[quote author=benzics post=51390488]Below are list of the notable lies told by the Bible (everything in the Bible though are lies).


The creation story

who was there on the first day with God? If God hasn't created humans? In what language did God Say "let there be light" when humans have not even been created, how did God know something like "light" if it was the first day? And God said "let there be light" and there was light without the sun?? and someone wrote this story and you are all believing without even applying logic.

The tower of babel :

you all believe that the Babylonians built a tall building that they could see God with it, and God didn't want them to see him, so he confused them.. Now look at this story, how tall was the tower? Did it enter the clouds? Because today humans are even leaving the earth completely without seeing any god, or do you want to say the tower entered space (that had no oxygen)? How tall was the tower then because am very sure the tower didn't leave the earth, because to leave earth you must use a certain velocity! And be equipped with oxygen tanks.. But you all believe this story because it is written in the Bible


The Noah's ark:

how big was the ark that it carried over 7million species of male and females, so were mosquitoes and cockroaches in the ark? How did Noah communicate with the mosquitoes? So a lion, a tiger, a puff adder snake were in the ark and they didn't kill Noah and his family? And it's impossible to have a worldwide flood because the earth isn't flat! So did Noah also "trekk" to Africa to pick some animals because I was sure there was no transport means back then that could move you cross continents, or Africa hasn't been created? .. but you guys believe this story because it is the Bible!

The story of Cain and Abel

So Adam and eve were the only humans on earth, and they had two sons. Now Go and read Genesis chapter 4.
So when Cain killed Abel, and he had a conversation with God.



Where did the "whoever" come from? Since the earth inhabited maximum of 4 people at the time, Abel out of the picture, we had 3.. And where did the rest of the people in the world come from? Trust me, Christians don't even want to think about this, because apparently being religious makes you illogical!

There are a whole lot of lies in the Bible, but I think I'll stop here, and let the reasonable people out there think about this.. [/quote


Branding what you dont understand as a lie, even when, you have not proven it, to be One, makes you a liar in disguise.

Laird:
You might have to google and search countries in demand for anatomists


It might be an academic job...

Best bet is to go for a Masters in Your field in the Us or Australia and apply for Lecturing jobs abroad

Google and research more on jobs for anatomists

OK thanks sir

Laird:
You can apply to study in Ukraine or Romania. Their schools are cheaper or about the same range of tuition/ school fees with Nigerian Medical private school
And Germany which is the biggest Economy in Europe allows Ukraine and Romania doctors to practice and work in Germany

but sir I've the paid school fees,already So i have no other choice but to accept what I've been given.
I just want to know more about the career prospects of anatomy within and outside the country.

And i also if i can work outside the country with the degree even when i graduate from à Nigerian University. thanks

Hello sirs, I filled in for medicine, but got admitted to study anatomy, and i'm hearing a lot of negative things about the course , pls i would like to know more, about the career prospects within and outside this country.
I expect to get a more sophisticated reply from you guys considering the fact that you guys are medical practitioneers and not Just students, thanks in advance as i await your reply.

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raphieMontella:
on the serving issue...i thought they were labelled ''idols''...i.e inexistent #stones,creating gold bulls etc?
If your religion accepts the existence of other gods..it is a monolastric one...because muslims do not believe yahweh exists,nor zeus,etc..you grab?

In the bible, The Fortune tellers, the magicians, Thé sorcerers, in places like Egypt for example, demonstrated some level of power by conjuring up snakes by dropping their différent staffs, before moses. Yahweh was obviously not the source , but this can be linked to the various gods they served as Egyptians were known for their idolatry in those days.

frank317:
Lol...I have shown u how ridiculous ur position is... U have nothing to say to me, u CAN'T even dare respond to the points I raised, so u resort to calling me an angry person. What's that?

U call another person's supreme God a lesser God and u don't even feel worse than atheist... Clap for yourself, u accept Allah exist but he deserves to be insulted therefore u can proudly not be called an atheist

Of course, with your Amazing intelligence, how can i even start or "dare" to respond to the awesome points you raised, i guess i should just back out. LOL.



what makes you think you raised any point that was worthWhile.?


what makes you think that The Christians view on Allah, and muslims view On Yahweh is any different ?