₦airaland Forum

ScepticalPyrrho:
How does these contemporary proofs, whatever they are, indicates that Yahweh of the Bible exists?

Which of the gods does your contemporary proofs identifies with?

Zeus, Allah, Vishnu, Brahma, etc faithfuls are all relying on the contemporary proofs as evidences.

so you mean you've witnessed the blind Receiving their sight In the name of Vishnu, or the Lame walk in Zeus's name?

bezimo:
God has blessed Bishop Oyedepo in unbelievable terms.How he distributes his wealth is nobody's business. He owes no Pharisee any explanation.

As far as I know Bishop is into a number of charity works that range from construction of roads in Ota and environs, scholarships to indigent students to Landmark and Covenant universities, feeding a number of charity homes and many more.Yet this son of confusion called freeze is talking nonsense.He doesn't give in Winners Chapel and as such is entitled to zero opinion on how Bishop Manages Winners chapel or his wealth.

Freeze you day is coming, watch it!

Typical Pharisee and Judas disposition.

I remember that statement in the Bible where Judas criticised the woman who poured an expensive perfume to wipe Jesus feet, and Judas said, the perfume should have been sold and given to the poor, the Bible said he said so not because he cared for the poor, but because he was a thief.

If opening churches would make pastors rich and wealthy from tithe, why are not all pastors rich. Is it not the same God that called them. If to open church is about collecting tithe, Freeze go and open one and stop talking nonsense, typical attention seeking Sadducees.

nice one bro.

ScepticalPyrrho:
Now you can ask logical questions.

Funny... real funny.

The amazing part is that you don't see the irony in that.

Why don't you give us a more reasonable account of creation. Rather than question someone who doesn't accept it in the first place.

My belief In the existence of God is not limited to just the creation story.
There are contemporary proofs all pointing to this fact.

Mirallas:
He lied about being omnipotent. Omnipotence has some prerequisites, you this right? Omnipresence for instance, god claims he is everywhere and everything and yet he wasn’t there to prevent a poorly designed rib-girl from eating from a poorly placed tree? He claimed to be omniscient (all-seeing and all-knowing, with the power of future sight as weell) but couldn’t see that Eve was going to eat from the tree’s fruit. He didn’t even have the foresight and common sense to put some sort of obstruction barring Eva’s access to the gate.. Even an idiot would know to put a gate up or something. Even YOU would know better, YOU would put a fucking gate. Don’t lie to me and tell me you wouldn’t, because you fucking WOULD. And even create a talking snake? Did the creater of all the known universe really get the wool pulled over his eyes by an animal? Use your brain common boy.

so if a gate is placed there barring her from the tree, of what use is her freewill.

babyfaceafrica:
how does PHD aids creativity?...

candidates doing their PhD are expected to submit their thesis or dissertation based on extensive research in their chosen fields.

Surely it creates a fertile ground that breeds creativity and innovation, participants are expected to Contribute something new to their chosen fields.

babyfaceafrica:
either you have PHD or not does ot affect creativity or progresiiveness...we had a Phd president, and it didn't make him better than those without one...Phd is good,but there are far more better thigs in life one should sought for

I never said that the PhD degree is the cause of creativity, my point was that it aids creativity.

directonpc:
But the goal wasn't getting PhD before 30?
Maybe if PhD was the goal he will be some professor in the university (which is a good thing too).

So becoming a professor in the university is all that can be done with a PhD degree, really?
I only asked the question in other to find out why most PhD holders in Nigeria are usually above 40, and I initially assumed that the program will be between 1-2 years, which is why I asked just to get clarifications.

I have Other dreams bro, and becoming a PhD holder is just one.

directonpc:
as at when Bill invented Windows he didn't even have an MSc.

I know that, for someone like Bill Gates to go back to school even though he became successful without a degree, shows how important it is.

He was in the best position to reject furthering his education, since he became successful without it, yet he didn't, because he knew better.


Attaining a PhD degree does not necessarily confer on anyone the ability to
be creative, rather its plays a catalytic role as regards not just creativity but continuous creativity.


Windows has gone through a lot of improvements since it was founded, because the brain behind it didn't choose to be retrogressive or static.

Even the devil is not an atheist.

directonpc:
there are more PhD holders than inventors and influential people. I am not talking about money alone.

and among those "inventors and influential people" you will find PhD holders.

You talk as if attaining a PhD degree, limits one's creative abilities. rather the opposite is the case.

Bill Gates is a PhD holder you know.

Toks2008:
I certainly will but not when I'm a pastor....if you know what it takes to maintain a jet,you will understand how dumb it is for a general overseer to have one expecially in a country like ours when 70% of church members live below average.

It is easy to point accusing fingers, until you find yourself in such a situation.

directonpc:
getting a PhD is a very popular pattern.

getting a PhD might be a popular pattern, but our approach to getting it varies.


don't forget that becoming rich like Zuckerberg is also a popular or should I say, a general ambition.

Toks2008:
The issue of money and how its being spent in the body of christ can not just be treated with a kid glove, i have seen numerous xtians who have left the faith cos of money issue. Believe me God is interested in how the church handles the issue of money.

I cant just wrap my brain around the fact that despite the presence of many Jobless youths in the church and members who lack basic needs of life that a pastor will dim it fit to acquire a private jet that cost millions of dollars not forgetting the millions of naira involved in servicing the jet and paying for the parking space.I have come to conclude that pastors who own private jets in Nigeria are materialistic,worldly,callous and highly insensitive to the plights of the members and a total embarrassment to the Christendom.

IF I WERE GOD, NO NIGERIAN PASTOR WHO PURCHASED A JET WILL MAKE IT TO HEAVEN because the primary duty of the church is to fend for the members spiritually and physically with the resources of the church but today we see little or nothing being done to help the church members in need yet many Pastors living large at the expense of the church members which has turned many churches to Business centers rather than worship centers.

Well maybe i am just ignorant about the subject matter...but this trend of private jet being owned by men of God is worth debating as its a source of concern in the Christian fold,so lets hear your views, in a very civilized manner..Does A Nigerian Pastor Truly Need A Private Jet and where do they get the money to buy it?

If you happen to be rich enough to acquire one, would you?

slydog:
I will be done with mine next year hopefully, at 29

good luck bro.

directonpc:
When Mark Zuckerberg get him PhD?
There is more to life than certificates

I'm not Zuckerberg bro, making money is important, but the approach we adopt in making it, does not necessarily have to be patterned after Zuckerberg's, or anybody else's approach.

[quote author=sfinkzslot post=51795679]Oboy u should have started bsc since age <15, and a genius too, which sorry to say u are not one

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Thanks so much, it's fascinating to hear from a Genius detector.

sirmelody:
ur own too much o. 4rm ur post u are still an undergraduate so while nt round up b4 talking of Phd. Beside u can still get d information u nid 4rm ur HOD or ur dean even some of ur lecturers might have attended to dat level seek their advice they will be willing to guide u tru. All d same best of luck.

I don't think there's anything wrong in planning ahead, even a secondary school student is not restricted from asking questions of this nature, let alone an undergraduate. Anyways, thanks a lot for your contribution.

dangotesmummy:
.it's all about dedication and consistency In research and producing a lot of publishable publications and journals

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Thanks for the reply, heard that the above is also a major criteria needed to become a professor.

Ovipoet:
A PhD degree can be best completed within 2-4 years, depending on your consistency and attitude to research.
4-8 semesters.
Which equals 2-4 years
Your supervisors play a Paramount role in determining if you will finish on time.
But let's say you are determined to go straight after bsc and masters for PhD, then the bulk of the work will be in your hand.
You can make it 5 or even 10 years, depending on your attitude to research.
But let's say you r fast and your supervisor is very serious, you can complete your PhD in 3 years here in Nigeria. And even before age 30.
Just be focused and make sure you get at least 65% and above in your masters or even a distinction so you can proceed for a PhD, if you score any lesser than that, you won't be able to proceed for PhD directly

Thanks a bunch!, it seems its compulsory to go through the Master's program before talking about attaining PhD, that's what kills the time.

Lh19:
Let's get on point, what's the entire use of dying when at the end of it all we would still go to hell?? ?

My thoughts are that he should have lived on since whether he dies or not, the ones among us destinied for hell would still go to hell irrelevant of him dying for our sins.

so how did you know that we are all going to hell and all those that would have gone to hell prior to his death are still going to hell even after his death, have you seen the future?

iliketheSunrise:
yes, it's possible. it depends on what you want to do and on the course. most courses require a masters before a PhD, but there're also programs that accept PhD candidates after undergrad. again, it depends on your own goals. you're still young, focus on finishing your 4-yr course first and doing well.

Thanks, I'll certainly do That

Lh19:
So him dying for our sins wasn't a necessity cuz at the end of it all we would still go to hell for the sins.

when a prisoner granted amnesty consciously and publicly rejects his freedom, does the granted amnesty still
count?

I will answer your question by saying, that it still counts as far as you accept it, not just by saying it but by your actions.

Lh19:
Good day my fellow Nairalanders, ever since I was a child I've always had a question which has been on my mind for Christians.

It is well known according to the Bible that Jesus died for the sins of mankind, so I'm going to ask you guys why are we still going to hell for the sins we've committed since Jesus has already died for it?


P. S
Mind my punctuations and paragraphs abeg

Yes Jesus died for our sins, but People still go to hell because they consciously chose to reject his finished work on the cross.

Its like when a prisoner sentenced to life imprisonment, is granted amnesty by the president. but deliberately refuses it, even after he/she has been informed.

[quote author=SirWere post=51741401]Ahh.... Sorry bra..
Dude, tho, a doctorate is literally the highest award one can get in his career.
Unless you're a rich genius, it's almost impossible to get a doctorate in your twenties...




You could do it abroad tho....
But it'll still give almost the same result.

18 months to finish Masters.

It takes 3 - 5 years to get a degree overseas tho...

So..... 28/29 best case....

My advice tho; make money first before going for a doctorate.[/quot

Alright bro, thanks for your replies, they were really helpful.

benzics:
Take note, I said if the priest or whosoever, has already experimented using available evidence, then his discoveries are welcome... But when you start telling us of a talking snake, worldwide flood, creation by speech, you already know that a psychiatric ward is best for you.. .

One major misconception portrayed by your post is that religion stands as a barrier to research and claims to have all the answers, which is not true, Religion only claims to have the Final Answer to the cause of reality as well as the universal origin.
Theists believe God created the world,but for us to understand the world better, research must be carried out, science must be embraced. so as to change it for the better.


Science and religion are not antagonistic, they complement each other. science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind.

SirWere:
It depends on your a lot of factors.

Level of intelligence, dedication to research, monetary funds....


Let's say you finished university education at the age of 21.
A year voluntary service, making you 22 years old.
First you run your masters degree which can vary from 18 months to 3 years.
However, assuming you're extra dedicated let's say 18 months.

By then you're 23 turning 24 years old.

At that time, your parents, friend and what have you will prolly be pushing you to settle social obligations and other hubris of human life....
I'll take into factor a 2 year deficit before starting a doctorate program.

At that time, you'll be 25 turning 26.

A phD in nigeria can run from 5 to 15 years.

I'm assuming you're extradordinarily smart and humble (which is impossible, trust me ) so you finish in say......6 years??

By then.... You're 30 turning 31.

This is not taking into consideration other factors like strikes, time delay by beauracracy, an unending bag of wealth; ability to cope under pressure and dedication to see it through.

So.........













Mission Impossible

thanks very informative, although it sounds heartbreaking, i'll do my best to make the mission possible.

how about in an outside Nigeria setting.

[quote author=benzics post=51733098]Lol, anyone, even a priest can contribute to science! There are always rooms for new discoveries in science, it doesn't matter if you are religious or not, as far as you have experimented, observed and evaluated something, science welcomes it with a broad mind, unlike religion..

Now when the madness sets in is when you start making useless arguments like the one I illustrated above, that's when we'll totally ignore you!

If you believe that even priests can contribute to science, then there is no need trying to paint Religion as an inhibitor to innovation. Its a big contradiction to the purpose of your thread.

LARRYDKING:
PhD is 5 years but if u fall into the wrong hand, ur supervisor can make it 15.

really, never knew it took that long.

ccffwx:
Go to your preferred school or website to find out. Then because it is pg, it also depends on the work you put in. You may finish in 11 months because you are serious but your course mate may finish in 3 years because of different reasons (Masters). So keep working hard. Cheers!

Thanks alot sir, this was so helpful.

benzics:
Religion and science, we all know.. Over the years, religion have claimed to know everything about the existence of man, religion even claims to know how life began on earth, but that isn't the sad part, the sad part is that there are actually people out there who believe that a book written over a thousand years ago by some con artist, is all they need to know about life, is their daily guide to a peaceful and "sin-free" coexistence.


Below is an illustration comparing the knowledge held by science and religion.


Religion believes that yes, it has attained all that is to know about the world and therefore there are no room for improvements or additions, that's why it's borders are closed.

Science on the other hand is still learning about the world, and looking at the lines for science, they are infinite (no limit), science knows a better deal about the world, but that isn't it, it still has a lot to learn and there are always room for improvement.


Look at the environment around you, the device that you use, what if man have been praying over the course of the years? Would we have gotten this far? NO! Because well we all know, prayer is equivalent to doing nothing!

Now, religion is a CULT of people who DON'T THINK! Religious people tend to disprove logic when it comes to matters concerning religion, but if it doesn't concern religion, well, "WE NEED PROOF". These people act paradoxically without even thinking for a moment, "what am I doing".

When the topic is religion, they tend to not use their brains, but once it's science, these people then turn Einstein, and start asking useless questions like, "where is the proof"..

Now go to a church and give testimony of how a handsome man in white drew you out of the car when your car was about to crash, but then after you were saved from the accident, you didn't see the man again, then watch how the whole congregation will be like "praise Jehovah, thank you Jesus", without anyone questioning the logic behind this ridiculous story.

Now go tell the same people a story of how aliens came to you with their UFOs, and were communicating with you... Then watch them go "where is the proof, don't you have a camera? Where are the photos and videos? You think we will just believe that Nonsense?".

Lol actually how these people fail to see the irony in their actions baffles me a lot.

Now, religious people believe in an INTELLIGENT DESIGN, because well, the DNA is TOO COMPLEX to have formed on it's own.

It's funny really, how you believe that the DNA, a complex structure, must have a creator, but a more complex structure, "God", doesn't have a creator.. Lol, take a look at this.
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Fil: Science has found god.

Me: really? How?

Fil: it has discovered that the DNA is too complex, so it must have a creator.

Me: lol but the DNA could have easily existed by mistake.

Fil : Now I know atheism is a mental disorder, how can you say that the complex DNA has no creator? Bro can you listen to yourself, bro sorry to say, but you are a fool.

Me: lol so anyone who believes that complex things came by mistake is a fool?

Fil: a fool, no doubt.

Me: between DNA and God, which is more complex?

Fil: Mysteri....

Me: shut up and just answer me.

Fil: God.

Me: so you, your father, your mother, your whole family, your pastor, your bishops, your overseers, they are all fools for believing a complex god had no creator.

FIL...

Me: fil, are you there?
.....

Dan: what if you are wrong and there is God, and you burn in hell for eternity for being an atheist.
Me: what if you are wrong and also burn in hell for being a Christian and not a Muslim?
Dan: Christianity is the true religion.
Me: I've heard that from many people from different religions, so who am I to believe?
Dan: my religion.
Me: so said everyone..
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This is how little religious people think, they don't see the bigger picture, they love to center around their useless books, instead of actually discovering and seeing the world as it really is.

The only way a religious person can think, is to finally break free from the shackles of religion, but is that really possible when they have all clouded their judgments with myopia?? I don't think so....

4evergod, EyeHateGod, jonbellion, kingebukasblog , hopefulLandlord e.t c

So you mean, Rene Descarte, Francis bacon,Johannes Kepler, Galileo, blaise Pascal, Michael faraday, Gregor Mendel, william T kelvin etc. could not contribute to science because they believed in God.


I Will agree with your writeup if you can tell me how much you've contributed to science, through your atheism, and why you think That as an atheist, you are a better scientist than the above.

ccffwx:
You said you're still young so finish your bachelors, go for service and start your Masters immediately. After that, start your PhD immediately. The only thing you'll need is money because postgraduate is expensive. Depending on your age, by 28, you should be through. Just keep working hard so that you finish well. Cheers!

Thanks alot sir, but How long does a masters and PhD programme take.

ccffwx:
Yes it is. Keep working hard.

Thanks, but you didn't give a clue as to how it is done