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PoliticsRe: Breaking: US Places Visa Ban On CJN Ariwoola, Justices Nweze, Dattijo, Others. by Penguin2(op): 10:49am On Jul 14, 2023
Bigchristo:
stop posting fake news there’s no credible source where this information came from, in as much as I want such thing to happen but I won’t be part of peddling fake news
How or where did you/Nigerians first here of the banning of Justice Kekere-Ekun from the US?

From Channels Television or NTA?
PoliticsRe: Breaking: US Places Visa Ban On CJN Ariwoola, Justices Nweze, Dattijo, Others. by Penguin2(op):
garfield1:
Oga,this is the same.iremember it well,it trended here.you are recycling rumours
Did you know who else were in the list?

Yes or no?

Stamp the authority of your claim by pointing to facts or publications.
PoliticsRe: Breaking: US Places Visa Ban On CJN Ariwoola, Justices Nweze, Dattijo, Others. by Penguin2(op): 11:40pm On Jul 13, 2023
garfield1:
A lot...from apc governor's defecting to pdp in the north to buhari not attending tinubu campaigns to tinubu not graduating from CSU and tinubu being a convict.

By the way,this news came out early this year.why are you bringing it out again? Is this your own pattern of propaganda
What came out last year was that Justice Kekere-Ekun has been banned from the US.

Did you know who else was/were in the list?
PoliticsRe: Peter Obi Celebrates Prof. Wole Soyinka On His 89th Birthday by Penguin2: 11:35pm On Jul 13, 2023
Obi is their father.

One tweet from him and everywhere will catch fire.

He tweeted on insecurity and they have not stopped talking since morning.

I’m sure they were already waiting for today to go so that they would blame Obi for not wishing Soyinka happy birthday but he has defeated them.
PoliticsRe: Breaking: US Places Visa Ban On CJN Ariwoola, Justices Nweze, Dattijo, Others. by Penguin2(op): 10:31pm On Jul 13, 2023
BadMaster:
If David Hundeyin or Jackson Ude tell their followers today that Tinubu is dead, and that the person ruling Nigerian is an imposter, they will believe it 100%. If you want to know how idiotic and unintelligent their followers are, just visit their social media pages.
Can you point to one thing that David Hundeyin or Jackson Ude has said before that turned out fake.

Just one.

I’m waiting.
PoliticsRe: Kaduna Election Tribunal: INEC Rejects Own Documents As Evidence by Penguin2: 10:22pm On Jul 13, 2023
If our judiciary hadn’t gone to the dogs…

Kaduna

Nasarawa

Ogun

Enugu

These states will all have new governors by the time the tribunal is over.

But the judiciary has sold her soul for a pot of pudding.
PoliticsRe: What Can 8000 Naira Do For A Nigerian Family In A Month? by Penguin2(op): 10:15pm On Jul 13, 2023
MissLeslie:
They called it palliative, those people have been surviving without the said 8000 before. Just to support them.
That’s why I’m asking what significance it would have on such family.
PoliticsWhat Can 8000 Naira Do For A Nigerian Family In A Month? by Penguin2(op):
It has been widely reported that in the letter sent to the National Assembly seeking approval for 500billion palliative intervention fund, Tinubu told the lawmakers that his government intends to pay 8000 naira to 12million indigent Nigerian families for 6 months.

Supporters of the president are already defending the proposed policy but how reasonable is it?

I can only liken this current proposal to the infamous Tradermoni which some of us called out then for being a stupid and unreasonable misadventure but we were labeled haters. But till today, nobody can point to any individual that succeeded with Tradermoni.

Now, fast forward to 2023, and we seem to be about to travel same route and as usual, we are going to call it out for what it is - a stupid, senseless and unreasonable policy that would not make any positive impact on the beneficiaries; not in the short term nor in the long run.

Let’s take it into a more practical perspective so we will have a better understanding of what we are talking about.

What are the prices of basic commodities in the market today?

A bag of rice is about 40,000 naira. Half of it is about 18,000 naira.

A painter of beans is 3000 naira.

A painter of garri is 1200 Naira.

A bottle of red oil is above 1000 Naira.

A bottle of vegetable oil is about 1200 naira.

A bag of sachet water is 200 naira.

Transport to and from work and market is now almost unaffordable.


Ask yourself, of these basics, how many can 8000 Naira afford for an average Nigerian family in a month? Let’s use an average of 4 children with their parents, that’s 6 people. How many painter of garri do you think they consume in a month? How many bags of sachet water do you think they drink a month?

I know the supporters of government will say that addition is not subtraction and that Nigerians should be grateful they are even getting anything at all, but if you what we are to get will not be of any significant help to us, the government might as well not bother.

In the alternative, a multiplication of 8000 into 6, will give us 48,000. Is it not better for the government to just give the beneficiaries 48,000 naira at once and let them decide what to do with it than dividing the sum into minute insignificant and infinitesimal and useless pieces?

Is this not another useless venture like Tradermoni?

Or what can 8000 do for your family in a month in the current Nigerian economy?
PoliticsRe: Breaking: US Places Visa Ban On CJN Ariwoola, Justices Nweze, Dattijo, Others. by Penguin2(op): 9:16pm On Jul 13, 2023
LegendHero:
Lol 😂 you guys are jokers?

Have you ever been to the USA embassy before? Even when they deny you visa, they won’t tell you the reason besides just handing you the blue paper.

USA embassy will never disclose those they banned to anyone so how did the fake news peddler called Jackson Ude got the info? You mean USA embassy will tell a third party that we denied the judges because of xyz?

Many are truly mad in Nigeria.
If only you could read, you would have read through the tweet to see that the judges were billed to attend an event in the US when they found out that they cannot enter the country due to ban that has been imposed on them.

Read, read, read.

It’s becoming increasingly obvious that some of you make some unintelligent submissions you make due to ignorance orchestrated by laziness to read.

If you couldn’t read a tweet of less than a hundred words, I wonder what you would read.
PoliticsRe: Breaking: US Places Visa Ban On CJN Ariwoola, Justices Nweze, Dattijo, Others. by Penguin2(op): 8:33pm On Jul 13, 2023
Throwback:
You are a bird of delusion.

You are ready to believe any fake news however outlandish, as long as it is suitable propaganda for your lost cause.

You deserve a lengthy ban for breaking the below rule.

8. Don't post false information on Nairaland
Remind me how you first heard of Justice Kekere-Ekun’s Visa ban.
PoliticsRe: 3 Tricycle Riders Who Rode From Lagos To Abj In Solidarity With President Tinubu by Penguin2: 8:30pm On Jul 13, 2023
Stupid idiots!
PoliticsRe: Breaking: US Places Visa Ban On CJN Ariwoola, Justices Nweze, Dattijo, Others. by Penguin2(op): 8:17pm On Jul 13, 2023
tinsel:
This boy you are disgracing yourself here every day. Go and take a rest and look for a job.
Of course…

You people’s estimation was that immediately Tinubu gets INEC to announce him, everyone will move on and some will even switch loyalties, but it must be disappointing to see that that is not happening.

Have you ever seen victory tasting this ashy in anyone’s mouth?
PoliticsRe: Breaking: US Places Visa Ban On CJN Ariwoola, Justices Nweze, Dattijo, Others. by Penguin2(op): 8:10pm On Jul 13, 2023
jumper524:
You check the profile of those commenting on this twitter Jane news and you begin to question their sense of reasoning. Tomorrow they'll go to bear parlour and be respected as one who have Acess to Internet and authentic news.
How did you first hear of Justice Kekere-Ekun's visa ban?
PoliticsRe: Breaking: US Places Visa Ban On CJN Ariwoola, Justices Nweze, Dattijo, Others. by Penguin2(op): 8:07pm On Jul 13, 2023
Iamgrey5:
Judgement is an opinion of the judge based on his or her understanding of the law, you can always disagree as is the case when some judges disagree with majority ruling. However, no country punishes judges for giving an opinion.
Understood that judgments are the opinion of the judge.

But the question now becomes, how objective is that opinion?

A judge’s opinion is supposed to be an objective one informed by facts, the letters of the constitution, the spirit of the constitution and other relevant statutes.

But it becomes a problem when a judges decision/opinion is subjectively informed by his biases or other things unknown to law and judicial precedents.

You people should stop talking as if Nigerians and the rest of the world are brainless.
PoliticsRe: Breaking: US Places Visa Ban On CJN Ariwoola, Justices Nweze, Dattijo, Others. by Penguin2(op): 6:35pm On Jul 13, 2023
Iamgrey5:
How is this possible?

The United States can help us interpret our constitution for us!

Only our judges can choose to interpret our constitution the way they understand it.
Yeah.

United States can’t help us interpret our laws but they know our laws when it’s misinterpreted.

Just like we are all not lawyers but when a judgment is fishy we, even though we might not expertly demonstrate what’s wrong with the judgment but we would know that the judgment is wrong.

There used to be a time when our judges used to look at cases for their merit and not based on technicalities. But these days, weighty judgments are given on bases of improper punctuations (hypothetically).

Ask yourself, why did such judicial sages like Justice Oputa, Rhodes-Vivour, etc, retire without US placing a visa ban on them? Because they consistently did justice and the world always saw and agreed that they have done justice.

But right now, judgment is for sale in Nigeria and Judges have thrown their sense of moral and legal rectitude to the wind.

Nigeria will soon get to a breaking point. And you know what happens when something gets to its breaking point? It tears.

All eyes on the judiciary!
PoliticsBreaking: US Places Visa Ban On CJN Ariwoola, Justices Nweze, Dattijo, Others. by Penguin2(op): 5:42pm On Jul 13, 2023
While these series of Visa Bans may not solve our problems as it may not even make the judges blink, it is enough to inform them that the world is watching.

The Nigerian Judiciary have the last chance to redeem its battered image or lose reckoning forever.
U.S PLACE VISA BAN ON CJN ARIWOOLA, NWEZE, MUSA DANTTIJO, THREE OTHERS
The U.S Government has placed a visa ban on the Chief Justice of Nigeria, CJN, Olukayode Ariwoola, and six others members of the Supreme Court of Nigeria. Amongst them are Justices Musa Dattijo Mohammed, Centus Nweze all of the Supreme Court.
The Justices were billed to attend a Seminar in the U.S and were all denied entry.
Justice Kudirat Kekere Ekun was the first to be informed of her ban.
https://twitter.com/jacksonpbn/status/1679524085410283522?s=46&t=2AB_wrBea-oBYJf5ZCFV-A

Foreign AffairsRe: Malawian Supreme Court Annul’s Country’s Presidential Election (OLD NEWS) by Penguin2(op): 1:26pm On Jul 13, 2023
garfield1:
Obi failed to prove widespread rigging like buhari did in 2007.
In your estimation, how wide should irregularities be before it is widespread?
Foreign AffairsWhy Kenyan Supreme Court Annulled Country’s 2017 Presidential Election. by Penguin2(op): 1:24pm On Jul 13, 2023
“The ruling helped remind the Kenyan Independent Electoral and Boundaries Commission that it cannot pick and choose which aspect of the constitution and electoral to obey and which to disobey”

Democracy is a marathon, and Kenya just delivered one of the most decisive victories for African democracy in recent history. Marathons are, after all, our thing.

In a 4-2 decision, the Supreme Court determined that the recently concluded presidential election “was not conducted in accordance with the Constitution and … is invalid”.

In practical terms, this means that Kenyans will have a second presidential election within the next 60 days – expensive in terms of money and time, but worth it for a clear and decisive declaration that democracy in Kenya is maturing.

The August 8 vote was a deeply flawed election. Yet weighty assumptions at home and abroad about how democracy is supposed to work in Africa prevented many from seeing that.

Critics were accused of being spoilers or “perennial losers”. If they pointed out one of the many problems of the electoral process, they were labelled “tribalists”, or overly demanding. Apparently, African citizens should be happy about “good enough” elections and shouldn’t demand more. The public was told that credible elections are simply not for this part of the world. The eyes watching Kenya’s election were so focused on the prospect of violence that they were prepared to force a clearly problematic process onto Kenyans.

The ruling of the Supreme Court exposes how faulty this minimalist logic is. It underscores that what the elections commission, international observers and some international press wanted to write off as “irregularities” were actually significant procedural failures that undermined the core of Kenyan democracy.

The discontent and criticism of the election were never about Raila Odinga losing it as some have alleged – it was about having a winner who was worthy of the title “democratically elected”. And the Supreme Court found that the Independent Elections and Boundaries Commission (IEBC) simply did not deliver on basic democratic principles of transparency and rule of law that should guide any election.

With this ruling, the court has vindicated advocates for credibility, arguing that Kenyans deserved free, fair and credible – not just “good enough” – elections.

The court has 21 days to deliver a detailed ruling, but it seems one of the main problems with the election was IEBC’s ignoring many aspects of the Constitution and electoral law. Fundamentally, this ruling was about reminding the IEBC that it cannot pick and choose which parts of the constitution to obey.


In court, lawyers for the IEBC struggled to give good reasons about why the core tools of electoral management dictated by law and publicly promised to voters were not actually used during the election. For example, IEBC lawyers shockingly argued that the tallying website public.iebc.or.ke on which local and international reporting about the election relied was “not the public portal” that the IEBC promised, and they never told the court what that website was and why it existed.

The ruling was also about glaring errors that, on one hand, the IEBC argued were not enough to alter the outcome of the election, but on the other, critics argued, compromised the integrity of the whole system. For example, the IEBC conceded that they did not use the electronic transmission system they were required to, and instead relied on text messages and photographs of manually filled forms as sources of information.

The process of tallying was also problematic because the IEBC seemed to ignore much of the law regulating it. The commission lawyers argued that the forms used for reporting results from the different regions were all available in time for the announcement of the results on August 11. Yet as late as August 14, the IEBC was still asking the opposition to “be patient” while it tries to make the forms available to them for verification. How was the final result generated on the basis of forms that were not available until several days after the election?


A number of the forms provided by the IEBC also didn’t have serial numbers or bar codes, and some were simple lined paper with numbers scrawled on them. Lawyers for the IEBC conceded these irregularities but argued they were too small to have affected the whole outcome. But in court, the chief justice pushed back: “If some of the forms have bar codes, then shouldn’t all of the forms have bar codes?”

After all, this was one of the most expensive elections in the world. Almost $500 million or $28 per capita in taxpayer money was spent on the premise that the process would be brought closer to perfection. Wasn’t the money enough to get barcodes?

But beyond establishing high democratic standards for elections in Kenya, this ruling was also about reaffirming judicial independence. It put Chief Justice David Maraga in history books as the first African chief justice to oversee the annulment of election results.

Less than a year into his term, there were already strong indications during a testy pre-election period that judicial independence was of utmost importance to the Maraga-led court. At least three times in under 12 months, the chief justice and the judicial service commission issued statements defending the independence of the judiciary after attacks from the president and the National Assembly majority leader.

All in all, the September 1 ruling was good news for Kenyan democracy. “The greatness of a nation relies on its fidelity to the Constitution and adherence to the rule of law”, said Chief Justice Maraga, giving Kenya’s democracy marathon a second wind, a massive victory that hopefully translates into a better process and stronger democracy in Kenya and beyond.
https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/opinions/2017/9/2/why-did-kenyas-supreme-court-annul-the-elections
Foreign AffairsRe: Malawian Supreme Court Annul’s Country’s Presidential Election (OLD NEWS) by Penguin2(op): 12:45pm On Jul 13, 2023
Christistruth03:
Old Old News

Fake Breaking News
If you had read my introduction, you would have seen that it was clearly stated there that it happened in 2020.

However, when it happened does not preclude its relevance to the current Nigerian situation.

I’m sure you must be disappointed to see that a court has sacked a sitting president before contrary to you people’s ignorant claim that no court has sacked a sitting president before. Huh?

Foreign AffairsRe: Malawian Supreme Court Annul’s Country’s Presidential Election (OLD NEWS) by Penguin2(op): 12:39pm On Jul 13, 2023
garfield1:
The apex court clearly said widespread irregularities.was there any in Nigeria?
Was there none?

Or until there entire country is up in flames before you would accept there was widespread irregularities?

Meanwhile, you lots have seen that you have been wrong all along with the claim that “no court can sack a sitting president”.

A fellow African country, Kenya, was first to annul a presidential election in 2017.

In 2020, another African country, Malawi, followed suit. In this case, the opposition candidate won the rerun.

So, you see that it has happened before, and it will happen in Nigeria. But guess what…. This time the alleged winner won’t participate in the rerun because he shall have been disqualified.
Foreign AffairsRe: Malawian Supreme Court Annul’s Country’s Presidential Election (OLD NEWS) by Penguin2(op): 12:33pm On Jul 13, 2023
Depriest2020:
So who later won the rerun election? Was it the same person the electoral body first (wrongly) declared winner, or another winner emerged? Na the thing wey I wan know be that.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-53207780.amp

I updated the thread to include that the opposition candidate later won the rerun but u can follow the link to read it up better.
Foreign AffairsMalawian Supreme Court Annul’s Country’s Presidential Election (OLD NEWS) by Penguin2(op): 12:03pm On Jul 13, 2023
One of the arguments of the supporters of a certain political divide is that no court, anywhere in the world, has sacked a sitting president before. That’s why I found it pertinent to bring this judgment of the Supreme Court of Malawi (an African country) on 08 May, 2020, when it upheld the judgment of the Constitutional Court of Malawi that annulled the presidential election of the country.

In a unanimous judgment, the Supreme Court accused the Electoral Commission of taking sides when it chose to appeal the decision of the Constitutional Court.

The Constitutional Court had cited “widespread irregularities” as reason for the annulment.

Does one or two things ring a bell?

Malawi’s Supreme Court on Friday in a unanimous decision upheld an earlier court ruling that annulled President Peter Mutharika’s narrow election victory last year.

A new election will now be held on July 2, for which three candidates, including Mutharika, filed their nomination papers this week.

The Constitutional Court in February cited “widespread, systematic and grave” irregularities when it annulled the vote that returned Mutharika to power in the southern African nation last May.

Mutharika, 79, and the electoral commission later appealed the Constitutional Court’s decision.

In its ruling on Friday, the Supreme Court said, “The various breaches undermined the duties of the Malawi Electoral Commission and grossly undermined rights of voters. None of the candidates obtained a majority.”

It added that the electoral commission should not have appealed, as doing so showed it was taking sides.

“The conduct of the electoral commission left a lot to be desired,” Justice Frank Kapanda said. “There was a lack of seriousness and incompetence.”


Reporting from Harare, Al Jazeera’s Haru Mutasa said the top court found Mutharika’s appeal “clearly unprofessional and embarrassing”.

“Mutharika has always said last year’s presidential election was free and fair but the Constitutional Court said there just too many irregularities and some results were changed using typewriter or correction fluid.”

In his appeal, Mutharika said the judges had “erred in law”.

“We find that the first appellant [Mutharika] was not duly elected to the office of the president,” said Kapanda, one of seven judges who read out the ruling in the capital Lilongwe.

Nomination filed

On Thursday, Mutharika filed his nomination papers for the July rerun alongside his new running mate Atupele Muluzi, the 41-year old son of former President Bakili Muluzi, who ruled Malawi from 1994 to 2004.

“Together we will be the bridge to the future, together we will win this election,” the president told supporters in the city of Blantyre.

Only three of 10 expected candidates have presented credentials to run in the upcoming poll.

Opposition figures Lazarus Chakwera and Saulos Chilima filed their nomination papers on Wednesday.

Mutharika was declared the winner of the disputed elections with 38.5 percent of the vote.

Chakwera’s Malawi Congress Party came a close second, garnering 35 percent, while Chilima’s United Transformation Movement came third with 20 percent.

The two parties have joined forces under Chakwera’s banner to maximise their chances of unseating the president.
https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2020/5/8/malawi-court-rejects-presidents-appeal-against-poll-annulment

Meanwhile, in the rerun election that was eventually held in July of 2020, the Opposition candidate, Lazarus Chekwera, won the polls.

Malawi's opposition leader Lazarus Chakwera has won the country's rerun presidential vote, officials say.
He defeated incumbent Peter Mutharika with 58.57% of the vote in Tuesday's poll, the electoral commission announced late on Saturday.
In February, Malawi's constitutional court annulled Mr Mutharika's victory in the May 2019 election, citing vote tampering.
The country was bitterly divided in the run-up to this week's election.

It is the second African nation to annul a presidential election over irregularities, after Kenya in 2017.
How brave judges rejected a 'second-rate election'
A quick guide to Malawi
Following the official result on Saturday, Mr Chakwera said his victory was "a win for democracy and justice," adding: "My heart is bubbling with joy."
His supporters took to the streets of the Malawian capital, Lilongwe, sounding car horns and letting off fireworks.
Mr Chakwera is expected to be sworn in on Sunday.


Malawi's new leader will look to heal the nation

By Will Ross, BBC News

This is a hugely significant moment in Malawi's political history, and is evidence that neither the courts nor the electorate were prepared to be bullied or influenced by presidential power.
Other countries in Africa have had elections annulled - it happened in Kenya a few years ago - but for the opposition candidate to then go on and win a rerun is unprecedented.

Outgoing President Peter Mutharika described Tuesday's vote as the worst election Malawi has ever had.
Peter Mutharika's narrow victory in last year's poll was cancelled by the Constitutional Court after evidence emerged that correction fluid had been used to alter the vote tallies. He then turned to the Supreme Court for help. Judges there came under a lot of pressure but stood firm. And now the majority of Malawian voters have rejected him.
Mr Mutharika is now crying foul and may mount a legal challenge, but the people of Malawi have chosen Lazarus Chakwera as their next president. The Pentecostal preacher and former theology lecturer will first have to heal a nation that's been through many months of political turmoil.

Speaking ahead of Saturday's results, Mr Mutharika said that while he found the election "unacceptable", it was his "sincere hope that we should take this country forward instead of backwards".

Why was there a new vote?

A rerun of the 2019 election was ordered after the Constitutional Court found the original ballot had been marred by widespread irregularities.
That election saw President Mutharika narrowly re-elected by fewer than 159,000 votes.
Mr Chakwera, who came second in that election, argued that tallying forms had been added up incorrectly and tampered with.

Uncertainty around the result sparked months of tension, which spilled over into clashes between opposition supporters and police.
February's annulment led some to celebrate, but Mr Mutharika described it as a "serious subversion of justice" which marked the death of the country's democracy.
There were concerns over the logistics and safety of carrying out an election in the midst of the worldwide coronavirus pandemic.

But this week's rerun was largely peaceful, despite deep tensions

Who is Lazarus Chakwera ?

The opposition leader, a former cleric, heads up the opposition Malawi Congress Party (MCP).
Born in Lilongwe to a subsistence farmer, the philosophy and theology graduate has pledged to raise the national minimum wage, among other reforms.

Lazarus Chakwera. Candidate for the Tonse Alliance [ Born 5 April 1955 ],[ Studied theology in Malawi, South Africa and USA ],[ Pastor and lecturer worked at the Assemblies of God School of Theology ],[ Authored several books on religion including Reach the Nations ],[ Ran for president in 2014 and came second ].

Mr Chakwera leads a nine-party coalition, the Tonse Alliance, and had the backing of former President Joyce Banda as well as the country's vice-president, Saulos Chilima, as his running mate.
Mr Chilima - who finished third in the 2019 vote - was once an ally of President Mutharika, but has since fallen out with him.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-53207780.amp

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PoliticsRe: The Owners Of The Ship Arrested By NNPC Revealed. by Penguin2(op): 10:27am On Jul 13, 2023
Almaigaa:
Na the real CRIMINAL names you just mentioned. Those guys do every crime just to make money. They go as far as using their family members for Blood money.
Yeah.

They are also the Alfas using people for rituals in Ogun state.

They are the hotel owner in Osun that dedicated his hotel as a slaughterhouse for ritual where Adegoke was murdered.

God will deliver you people someday.
PoliticsRe: IPOB Not Responsible For Insecurity In South East - Peter Obi by Penguin2: 9:34am On Jul 13, 2023
Melezenawii:
IPOB NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR INSECURITY IN SOUTH EAST -

PETER OBI
IPOB Publicity Secretary
Have you heard that IPOB issued a public disclaimer to this sit at home orders before or not?
PoliticsRe: Why The Court Is Going To INVALIDATE And Order A RERUN Of The Presidential Elect by Penguin2: 11:00pm On Jul 12, 2023
fergie001:
I have said it countless times that INEC needs to be reprimanded. They have a moral baggage on why transmission of results to IReV had k-leg. Is it enough to cancel a Presidential Election because it was not viewed on IReV, my humble opinion is NO.
You agree that INEC should be reprimanded but the output for which you want them reprimanded should be allowed to stand? Isn’t that contradictory? And what kind of reprimand would you suggest the court metes out on INEC?


Not just the use of Form EC8A, the building block, the foundation, the most important aspect of results collation are these forms.

That was how Hope Uzodinma became Governor, via the SC.

It rests on the petitioners to isolate these ones and challenge same in Court.

Again, the Police also have copies so the petitioners have to ensure that they produce their own copies in evidence. Another thing is that they can also produce the BVAS machines or CTCs thereof.
But all these stress and processes would have been eliminated had INEC simply followed the law rather than breaking the law and telling the aggrieved to go to court because they know the Judiciary is in their pocket.

That is not the most important aspect..... The most important aspect of the election is for the results in Form EC8A to tally with results on the BVAS ​machines which expectedly will go to IReV.
What else is transparency and credibility if not the figures on forms EC8A tallying with the figures the subsequent forms? Now, if you as the officer knew you had no intention of turning 1 into 10, why did shut the public out? And for shutting us out, whatever we said they did, we won’t be wrong.

It’s like catching you with a minor inside your room with your doors shut and your music loud, how would you blame us if we accuse you of defiling a minor? If didn’t want such accusation, why not have whatever engagement you were having with her in the open and in public view?

IReV is only for public viewing. Even if these results aren't uploaded on IReV, BVAS machines scanned them.

See, results were collated via the forms, BVAS scanned them but they couldn't be uploaded to IREV. Very simple, produce the machines and tender same with Form EC8A duplicate copies with the agents and the Police.

Again, is it safe to say that areas where there is no network coverage for uploading therefore the election should also be cancelled there?

Is it safe also to say human and machine error can also not take place?

It is therefore safe to say anywhere IReV is not uploaded, cancel the results.
This line of argument is very defective. You know why?

Do you recall that the senate refused to pass the electronic transmission of results as part of the Electoral Act in the initial stage? Some senators argued that they have no network in their villages and contended how INEC would upload results in such vicinity.

Do you remember what INEC response was? That they don’t depend on regular data. And even if they needed data, they got an MTN official (or was it an NBC official) who convinced the Senate that Nigeria has achieved about 98% data coverage which all added up in making the Senate soft pedal and pass that section.

Is it therefore not a contradiction on the part of INEC to now turnaround and adduce to poor data coverage as reason for non upload of results?

There is no substantial non-compliance in my view.

But you said below there is a rightful winner. How did you count the votes?

Who in your opinion is the rightful winner?
The man who came 2nd or the one who came 3rd?
Obi won the election. And don’t ask me to prove it because it’s already being done in court.

There is what we call presumption of regularity (Omnia praesumuntur rite esse acta) in Latin ...Tinubu is President and rightful winner only Courts will say otherwise.

The evidence to me is not rich enough!

Going further, this is not the first time CLOs and others have criticised our elections. Even in 2015, our General Elections have not gone as planned.

It is strange to me to say the SC should cancel the Presidential Election because it was not uploaded on IReV.

I liken this situation of you writing a University exam and because results were not uploaded on the Departmental Board then the exam should be cancelled (when your scripts and results have been forwarded by the lecturer in charge).

Elections for National Assembly took place same day and same time...... So we should discard the foundation and building-block because of public viewing?

The National Assembly should also be cancelled because voting and results took place at same PUs... All went through same process save for public viewing.

I have said the moral baggage rests with INEC, other than that NOTHING
I disagree that what INEC has is just a moral baggage. INEC also has legal baggage for which they must be punished and the output of action rectified or annulled.
PoliticsRe: Give Us Free Hand To Wipe Out Terrorists, Army Tells Governors by Penguin2: 9:47pm On Jul 12, 2023
Jamestown123:
People really need to ask the kano state government what they did to end boko haram in Kano state. Because as of 2012 to 2013 kano state was a no go area also, because of boko haram bombing in every major places in the state. Saint Charles Catholic Church in nomansland was bombed and about 60 people including children died. New road park in sabongari, one of the most busiest park in the north was bombed, and about 100 lives was lost. Around 2013 Bompai barrack was attacked, and many people including police men and women lost their lives to that attack, it was hot in kano state that period. Until the kano state government, not the federal government, said enough was enough. And since 2015 till date, kano state has not experience an attack from boko haram anymore. So what did kano state government did, that other states failed to do?
Good observation here.

Kano has been relatively peaceful for a state that is in the region that is the hotbed of banditry.

Other states needs to study what they did.
PoliticsRe: Give Us Free Hand To Wipe Out Terrorists, Army Tells Governors by Penguin2: 8:23pm On Jul 12, 2023
Oh!

So Governors have been pulling the breaks on the Army and stopping them from stamping out terrorists?

I don’t need a soothsayer to know that the biggest culprit is that Kaduna pigmy that calls himself Elrufai.

That’s why killings continued unabated in Southern Kaduna all through his time as governor.

Short devilish terrorist.
PoliticsRe: The Owners Of The Ship Arrested By NNPC Revealed. by Penguin2(op): 4:29pm On Jul 12, 2023
dokyOloye:
Bia nwoke Izhii, egube okfu i cho ntaa le nairaland dukwa too much grin
🤔🤔🤔

🧐🧐🧐

Isum gunu?

Bu onye makwam💁🤔?
PoliticsRe: Why The Court Is Going To INVALIDATE And Order A RERUN Of The Presidential Elect by Penguin2: 11:46am On Jul 12, 2023
seunmsg:
What i consider illogical and absolutely unreasonable is reading the above clause of the law and still arguing blindly that not uploading result to IREV directly from polling unit is enough ground for canceling the presidential election.

Even by mere gathering and collating form EC8A given to police officers on duty, INEC can validly declare a winner even when results electronically transmitted to BVAS or uploaded to IREV are not available. So, can’t you see clearly that not uploading result at all to IREV can never be a ground for canceling the election in as much as the original form EC8A is available? So, what exactly are you arguing about?

I highlighted the part in bold purposely so that I can correct the ignorant impression from you guys that electronic transmission of result as used severally in the electoral act and INEC guideline means uploading of result from polling units to IREV. That is not true. Electronic transmission as you can is different from uploading to IREV. It simply means using BVAS to scan and save the form EC8A at the polling unit and taking it directly to the ward collation centre. When there is discrepancy between the result reflected on the physical form EC8A and the copies given to party agents, the collation officer will use the result scanned and saved on BVAS to resolve the discrepancy. It is when BVAS is not available that IREV may be used.
You have not answered the question I asked you.

You accused Obidients of being emotional and illogical, but everything Obidients have been saying, the European Union has reechoed and even more.

Are you therefore saying that the European Union is also being emotional and illogical?

Again, is result upload to IREV an optional provision for INEC or mandatory?
PoliticsRe: Why The Court Is Going To INVALIDATE And Order A RERUN Of The Presidential Elect by Penguin2: 11:37am On Jul 12, 2023
wegevv:
So how come you’re the one derailing the conversation happening here with your vile, unreasonable, emotional charged, logically deficient and unsolicited psychoanalysis of so the called Obidients? lol

Disease is usually diagnosed from individual to individual and it’s pretty clear to anyone reading this thread who is infected here lmao

What’s the saying about a black pot and kettle again? lol

PS: The fact that Penguin replied with grace to your borderline hate speech further emphasises the point lol. He’s a better man than me
Lol! You need to understand the aim of Seunmsg and his ilk…

Their aim is to draw me, or any major Obi supporter to insult them so that they can report you and get you banned.

But they don’t know that I (we) am light years ahead of them.

Like Obi, my engagement with them shall continue to be about issues and never insults and vile no matter the provocation.
PoliticsRe: The Owners Of The Ship Arrested By NNPC Revealed. by Penguin2(op): 10:37am On Jul 12, 2023
AntiZikist:
Do you know if it's on lease ?
And what if it’s not on lease?

Would you have cared if the ship was on lease if the owners were Igbos?
PoliticsRe: The Owners Of The Ship Arrested By NNPC Revealed. by Penguin2(op): 10:35am On Jul 12, 2023
SalamRushdie:
The ship was probably just chartered to lift oil for a big NNPC thief
Would you have said this if you saw Chukwuma, Chinonso, Ebuka as the names of the ship owners?

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