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successmatters:
Am I arguing with you before?
You already answered all the questions, if LP had chosen a person from any other place in enugu east, he will win easier than Edeoga. You are right and am right.

I doubt you are still making sense right now.

Cuz your initial argument was that rotation is against Edeoga and I just proved to you that it is not. And now you are jumbling things up.

bigtt76:
I want to ask, does the constitution prescribe the 25% majority in state capital for gubernatorial elections?

Did you see anywhere the constitution stated that a governorship candidate must score 25% in 2/3 of the LGA of the state and the capital territory?

Enice:
He never presented anything. He just dumped documents on the laps of the judges. The court is not a father Xmas. You have to articulate you case properly to get anything. Livy is now expecting the judges to go and study hundreds of thousands of documents and then agree with his pleadings while he goes home to fvck his wife abi? Wrong, it's not done.

Oh! Now you accept he presented evidences but that he ‘dumped’ them in court.

Who are you to determine what was dumped in court and what was not?

garfield1:
That is why I said the military never intended to be a state but below a state.the slcommittee report and constitution upgraded it to a state level not above

Are we talking about intention or the letters of the law?

successmatters:
You know the truth, that's why PDP were successful in their nkanu east heist because people turned the other way to favor the rotation logic.

Answer these questions….

Is it the turn of Enugu East or not?

Is Edeoga from Enugu East or not?

successmatters:
Edeoga of LP won enugu, but rotation doesn't favour him.

Stop it.

By rotation, it is the turn of Enugu East, and Edeoga is from Isiuzo in Enugu East.

The only argument people have against him is that Isiuzo people are Nsukka people. So some people are arguing that another Nsukka person should not succeed Ugwuanyi who is from Nsukka. But by political geography, Edeoga is on his right.

It is like arguing that Chibuike Amaechi in Southsouth should not be president because a Peter Obi in Southeast has been president.

Even though these two men are Igbos, they are geographically in different political places.

Most times when we talk, some people would accuse us of being “emotional” or even “delusional” but we will never stop talking because we know we are not being emotional but rationally stating facts and demanding that the right thing is done.

“All it takes for evil to thrive is for good men to do nothing”.

“And those who like peace must learn to mobilize as hard as those who like violence.”

As Chijioke @chijioke_edeoga closes his case against Peter @PNMbah and PDP today at the GEPT in Enugu, I just want to use this one example of Over voting to tell you guys how Mabh and his PDP thugs in collaboration with @inecnigeria rigged the Governorship election. Follow the red marks.

In Mbaguzo village square polling unit PU 14-11-14-007 the total accredited voters was 354 but PDP and INEC allocated 954 votes to Mbah/PDP. That’s a difference of 600 votes. This is just in one polling unit and they did this in several polling units in Nkanu East LG most especially Owo, the hometown of Peter Mbah.

I’m hopeful the tribunal will give Chijioke Edeoga and Labour Party justice and declare Edeoga the rightful winner of Enugu Governorship election. Anything short of that will be miscarriage of justice and would be challenged.

NB: The documents attached were CTC obtained from INEC.

https://twitter.com/mazigomez_/status/1680576073560469505?s=46&t=2AB_wrBea-oBYJf5ZCFV-A

garfield1:
Abuja was never meant to be a state.the military never made it a state.the drafters of the constitution don't have the powers to make it a state so they did the best they can,that is to treat it as a state though it is less than a state.abuja is like a slave treated as freeborn

Again, do you realize that when the drafters of the 1999 constitution were working, it was presumed that Nigeria had no law and they were to give her laws?

What I’m saying is that if they wanted to make Abuja a state, they had the powers to do it and a simple Abdulsalami Abubakar’s signature would have brought it to fruition.

But they rather chose to act with the report of the committee on FCT which recommended that the territory be given a special status.

fergie001:
So the Constitution likened Abuja to a State for administrative purposes, then for election purposes, it likened Abuja above a State?

Right?

If you understand the constitution providing that a candidate must score 25% in the FCT to win presidential election as FCT being placed above a state, then I’m not responsible for you choosing to make such cognition of it.

But how would the seat of power of the president be lower than a state?

And was it impossible for the framers of the 1999 constitution to simply call Abuja a state and just make it the 37th state of the Federation? Why take the extra pain of having to refer to 36 states AND the FCT throughout the constitution if it was not intended for FCT to have a special status?

garfield1:
Abuja was never meant to be a state.the military never made it a state.the drafters of the constitution don't have the powers to make it a state so they did the best they can,that is to treat it as a state though it is less than a state.abuja is like a slave treated as freeborn

How would the seat of power of the president, our centre of unity (according to FCT committee) be a slave or lower than a state?

Enice:
The Osun case does not relate to the part he cited. Osun case is about overvoting, the presidential election case is about IREV and 25% in Abuja. Pray tell, how do these two relate? Obi's lawyers did not even contest a single vote be deducted from that of Tinubu's vote because they did not show any cause for that. They never tendered or defended any form EC8A which is the basis for such exercise, neither did they present any BVAS to challenge accreditation of result. Please you guys should think before spewing trash.

How pathetic of you to claim that Obi never tendered any form EC8A in court. It’s becoming obvious everyday that you guys speak from a place of ignorance.

Just to clarify you, Obi presented forms INEC certified EC8A for about 28 states, he also presented BVAS accreditation report for those states and more.

You people never followed the court proceedings but you sit in your rooms to conjecture up and believe nonsense.

Khd95:
There is no way emefiele will go down without buhari, his principal going down too that’s why they brought this charge again him

All these na sakamanje, if tilinbu is serious he will start with ganduje, the dollar stuffing baba rings wearer , elrufai that paid bandits 50millions years back not to attack communities

Emefiele will be left alone except they want to implicate buhari the chief terror sympathizer and financier

Or have we forgotten how military hardware dramatically end up in the hands of boko haram they later used to annihilate the NA

Or how granted amnesty to the very people that have killed thousands of Nigerians, displaced millions of them and destroyed properties worth billions of naira, Dey play

Lol!

Ganduje that will soon be appointed Minister.

The law is made for only Igbos.

Agbado boys can continue to play the ostrich and pretend the EU report carries no weight or is of no effect, but men who matter know that Tinubu and APC’s fate was nailed by that report.

Now, asides what Obidients have been saying, an unbiased international body has laid credence to the petitioners’ claims.

The judiciary would have to empty the Constitution and Electoral Act 2022 into the Atlantic to retain Tinubu.

As for me, I will be here as long as it lasts and never give in to evil even when it thinks it’s winning.

“Those who like peace must mobilize as hard as those who like violence.”

seunmsg:
Lagos as FCT was geographically and administratively different from Lagos state. Shehu Shagari appointed John Jatau Kadiya as minister of FCT while Jakande served as the democratically elected governor of Lagos state. Both existed side by side with clear boundaries until IBB moved FCT to Abuja in 1991 and Lagos FCT was merged with Lagos state to form a bigger Lagos state. Stop trying to muddle up facts when I’m here.

Now, you think it was impossible for the framers of 1999 Constitution to do the same for Abuja or call it a state as it was for Lagos in the 1979 constitution?

Take it from me, Alex Otti will NEVER defect to APC.

It’s like saying he would commit suicide.

Stop using Otti to look for views.

garfield1:
This is why obi is losing,relying on hearsays instead of established sources

I will ask you the question I asked him.

How did you first hear of Kekere Ekun’s ban from the US? From Channels, Arise or CNN?

garfield1:
Was Lagos not one of the 19 states in 1979

Good!

Now, if Abuja was not intended to have a special status, why was it not just designated a state in the 1999 constitution just like Lagos was a state in the 1979 constitution?

garfield1:
Lagos is a full state and doesn't need any special status.any special status given it will elevate it beyond other states while Abuja is less than a state and needs that special status to be equated with states

Was Lagos a full state when it was the Federal Capital Territory?

fergie001:
Can you help me interpret this judgement of the SC in Bakare v Ogundipe (2021):

By virtue of the provisions of section 299 of the Constitution, it is so clear that Abuja, the Federal Capital Territory of Nigeria, has the status of a State. It is as if it is one of the States of the Federation.

(It can be found in (Pages 36-37, paragraphs E-A))


I have explained this to him before. That the FCT is below a State hence some of these Court decisions were to bring them to the status of a State.

Instead bringing these judgments in isolation, why not also state the the matter in contention when the judgment was made?

Section 299 likened Abuja to a state strictly as it regards the administration of the territory. The section even started with a clause, “accordingly”, and then went on to enumerate what it was referring to when it said that the FCT should be treated as a state. There are 3 subsections to that section and none referred to matter of election. Now in law, what is not mentioned is not stated; you can’t add to the constitution what it did not say.

This goes to say that Section 299 likening Abuja to a State in terms of its administration does not preclude its place as part of electoral criteria that MUST be satisfied before one is validly elected president. That is to either win it or score at least 25%.

If we interpret the constitution the way you folks have been doing, then every successive section of the constitution will nullify the previous section when it regards same matter or subject.

Garfield1

Bigchristo:
You nor get sense at all, so this guy now posted this on his timeline you pick it up, according to your word the news were trying to confirm it and you started spreading rumors why not wait until you confirm? I don’t know of any Justice Kekere I am not in Nigeria but I believe news from credible sources not people’s timeline anybody can post anything a reasonable person would try to confirm that first before spreading it, on a nutshell stop asking silly questions 😂😂

You are pathetic, seek help.

Even the biggest news platforms you are relying on, rely mostly on anonymous whistleblowers to get their breaking news. The guy that broke this news could have decided to sell it to Channels for money and when Channels reports it, you would now swallow it as authentic.

But just a little education, if you rely only on news platforms to feed you information, you forever be remoted by what the government wants you to hear.

There’s always news behind every news. That news doesn’t get reported by news platforms.

But I doubt you have the right education and enlightenment to know this. If you did, Dubai (UAE) wouldn’t be your choice of country to run away to.

Shalom!

mexxy1:
I'm not a lawyer but, I don't think one will cite a case won by a lawyer in the team challenging his client.

If I remember correctly, Onyechi Ikpeazu (SAN) was in the legal team of Ademola Adeleke and is representing Peter Obi so, you can't blame the man, Wole Olanipekun (SAN) for ignoring the judgement and cite the one of the '70's.

That's how I see it.

Please don’t say this in public.

People will laugh at you in a way you won’t like yourself.

fergie001:
Twitter and cruise...... There is something we call context. Osun had no issue with two-thirds or 25%.

In the history of our democracy, we have only had this situation in the Awo v Shagari time.

At the time, we had 19 States with Shagari winning 12. Awo argued that two-thirds of 19 is not 12, but should be 13.

The SC affirmed Shagari in a 6-1 verdict. The only dissent was Justice Kayode Eso (of Blessed memory)

I knew the reference was about the FCT argument.

But these are the facts…

In 1979, the FCT was Lagos.

In 1979, the constitution in use was 1979 constitution.

But in 2023, the FCT is Abuja.

And the constitution in use is 1999 constitution which gave a special status to Abuja following the recommendation of the Committee on the FCT; this special status was not enjoyed by Lagos as FCT.

Again, the argument is not about satisfying “2/3” but about satisfying a quasi-independent provision of “25% in the FCT”.

You see why citing that Awolowo vs Shagari case is near useless to the case at hand?

seunmsg:
Penguin2 and the other headless Peter Obi mob want to teach Tinubu’s lawyer how to defend his client and I’m not even making this up 🤣🤣🤣.

Like, how can people be this senseless? You’re supporting the petitioner but you’re trying to teach the respondent which case to quote and which one not to quote. What exactly is your business with how the respondent go about defending their case?

When you see the headless mob crying ceaselessly over a matter, just know they got hit big time. This is the third day of crying over Wole Olanipekun’s final address to the court. They are not even interested in talking about the final address of Peter Obi’s legal team because it’s as watery as the case they presented.

Those supporting Tinubu are happy with the excellent job Wole Olanipekun is doing. His final address to the court shredded every single issue raised in Peter Obi’s watery petition. The robustness of the defense is why the legal team confidently released the final address to the media even before adopting it in court. If them born Peter Obi legal team well, let them release their final address to the media like Wole Olanipekun has done.

When we say you lots are pathetic it will seem as if we are talking.

Just a little education….

This Olanipekun’s address has not even been formally laid in court. That would happen tomorrow.

After tomorrow, Obi’s legal team will have 7 days to respond to the written address.

So, where did you see Obi lawyer’s address that is watery?

Tinubu's lead lawyer CHIEF Wole Olanipekun in his 40 pages written address was citing cases decided under 1979 Constitution like Shagari Vs. Awolowo while ignoring recent cases consequent to 1999 Constitution like Oyetola vs.Adeleke, 1979 Constitution was defective hence 1999.

Constitution was brought in to cure the defects.

https://twitter.com/AustinNwabufo/status/1680434282739662848?t=WaX_LL4N5AXmFntMIfABWw&s=19


Reading through the written address of Tinubu and Shettima lawyers at the ongoing election petition tribunal led by supposed respected senior lawyer Wole Olanipekun, one can’t help but giggle at the hollowness and shallowness of their defense.

In the address, Mr Olanipekun was busy citing the case of Shagari vs Awolowo that happened as far back as 1979 under the 1979 Constitution and in election conducted by FEDECO, as our electoral commission was called then.

Since 1979, we’ve have had many reformations to our electoral laws and have even changed our constitution.

If anything, the most relevant case as far as election cases are concerned in Nigeria today, is the Supreme Court ruling in Osun in case of Oyetola vs Adeleke. This case is the most relevant because it is the only Supreme Court decision since the Electoral Act 2022 came into force.

Ironically, Mr Olanipekun surreptitiously ignored the Osun case which has a lot of similarities with the case at PEPT as they both bother on the place of technology in our election and to what degree INEC can choose to apply or ignore technology in our elections.

It is pertinent to state these things for the world to hear, read and see, so that we all keep an eye on the judiciary and see what comes out it.

Remember that it is not enough to do justice, justice must also be seen to have been done.

I think it’s just a policy.

Seems the management decided that new posts should start moving to front page as from 8am rather than the previous 4am, 5am, 6am, in the past.

Or maybe the crop of MODs in charge now are less passionate about the job and treat Nairaland moderation as a job they resume at 8am unlike when Lalasticlala was here who doesn’t mind staying awake till 3am and waking up at 6am to move posts to FP.

In my experience managing staffs, there’s nothing as bad as having employees who cannot move an inch beyond their job description. Their employment contract says they will be closing work at 4pm, a minute after 4pm there are already at the gate no matter the loads of work left in the office.

Seun needs to recruit moderators who will treat Nairaland like a passion rather than a job they are employed to do.

Bigchristo:
some of you claiming to be Obidient really need to check yourself if you’re actually Obidient, someone posted something in his timeline on Twitter y’all started spreading it like wildfire without checking credibility of such news if it’s true, I have checked US embassy website to confirm this news nothing of such, take it or leave it that news don’t have any credible source someone just wake up and tweet something then you copy and paste, that’s a shame I refused to take part in fake news peddling…even if you like cry and call me any names I don’t give a damn about your opinion I am still Obidient I traveled all the way from UAE to Nigeria during election to vote for Peter Obi for a good reason not for people like you who derive joy in making unconfirmed rumors I just Dey shame for you

Let me help you out of your misery a little bit….

We first heard of Justice Kekere Ekun’s ban from the US from Donald Duke; not Channels, not Arise, not CNN.

Days after he made the statement, no reputable Nigeria could report it because they were trying to confirm it.

Weeks later, they started reporting it after they confirmed the news to be true.

Now, can you get us a link of Justice Kekere Ekun’s ban from US website please?

We are waiting.

ashacot:
Where in my post did you see me accuse you of calling for Kanu's release on your post even though I know for certain that you are an IPOB sympathizer. Because you have shown it time after time here on nairaland.

You need help. Seek it.

helinues:
Op, stop wailing unnecessarily

Not a fan of Amosun but he voluntarily gave those ammunitions to the security officers, though the intention of possessing them was just wrong

Can you listen to yourself?

He “voluntarily gave those ammunitions to security officers.”

Now, does that exonerate him for possessing them without license in the first place? Has he stated how he acquired them? Where is you people’s sense of objectivity? Or do you see everything from the prism of tribalism?

Meanwhile, have you now accepted that they used you people’s head by telling you that Emefiele was sponsoring IPOB only for it not to be mentioned in his charge sheet?

When we were telling you people, you called us terrorist sympathizers. But I’m sure it’s obvious to you, and your ilk, that we are a group of people that like to use our heads and not believe every shit as if we were zombies.

You people should learn to think for yourself and stop taking orders from WhatsApp groups.

Same way Emefiele’s IPOB links accusations has been proven to be maliciously concocted lies, same way the world will come to know, in no distant time, that the tag of Obi supporters as IPOB has been all malicious lies from the beginning.

We will have the last laugh.

Bookmark it!

garfield1:
Morality doesn't count here.

What does?

Every Nigerian would remember how the DSS clandestinely sought to obtain a black market court order to arrest Mr Godwin Emefiele in the middle of the election and at the heat of Naira Redesign Policy; accusing him of corruption and terrorism financing including the financing of IPOB and diverting the vehicles that were previously acquired for his presidential ambition to Unknown Gun Men in the Southeast.

It was therefore near hilarious to find out that at long last the secret police could only charge Emefiele for one Handgun and about 123 live ammunitions.

One now wonders what happened to the corruption accusations and the claim of terrorism financing?

Why was Emefiele accused of sponsoring IPOB only for it to not make it into part of his charges?

Could it be that the DSS lied? If yes, who knows how many other lies has been told with the name of IPOB?

And if it’s a crime for Emefiele to possess a supposedly unlicensed handgun, why has a character like Asari Dokubo who openly brandish different sorts of assault rifles in public not been arrested and charged as well?

Now below is a report of the former governor of Ogun State, Ibikunle Amosun, who was found with 1000 AK-47 rifles and has not been charged.

Is there a selective administration of justice depending on where one comes from in Nigeria?

Godwin Emefiele has been slammed with two counts of illegal possession of a firearm, as the Tinubu administration continues to find ways to nail the former central bank chief after multiple courts found him unanswerable to previously filed charges of terrorism and corruption.

Federal authorities said they found an unlicensed shotgun that operates on a magnum cartridge, apparently the 44 calibre variety, according to court filings in Lagos. The charges, which said Mr Emefiele also had 123 bullets in his possession for the unlicensed firearm, were brought by the State Security Service, the same repressive national intelligence agency that successive Nigerian administrations have weaponised against political adversaries and everyday citizens.

The charges said the weapons were recovered from Mr Emefiele’s home in Ikoyi, on June 15, 2023, even though Mr Emefiele was arrested on June 9, 2023, and has been locked up in Abuja ever since. A spokesman for the SSS did not immediately return a request seeking comments about the discrepancy between the date Mr Emefiele was arrested and how arms were found in his possession a week later in Lagos.


While serving as the central bank governor, Mr Emefiele sought unsuccessfully to rescue the ruling All Progressives Congress’ presidential ticket from Bola Tinubu. Mr Tinubu, who was declared winner of the controversial 2023 presidential election in February, immediately fired Mr Emefiele upon his assumption of presidential duties in May and kept him in illegal custody.

Several courts have ruled for Mr Emefiele to be freed on the account that his arrest and continued incarceration were baseless and extra-constitutional. The rulings followed calls for Mr Emefiele’s release from rights activists, who said his detention was untidy even as they acknowledged his alleged corruption and recklessness while in office.

In an information sheet dated July 13, 2023, the SSS said Mr Emefiele’s possession of a firearm and bullets in contravention of the 2004 Firearms Act — a criminal statute that carries a jail sentence.

The charges against Mr Emefiele came as the SSS continued to ignore Ibikunle Amosun, a former governor of Ogun who was exposed for illegally stockpiling firearms and ammunition during his rein as the governor of Ogun state.

Mr Amosun, who served a two-term of eight years as Ogun governor, was caught with 1,000 AK-47 rifles and four million rounds of live ammunition during a period of rampant armed banditry, abductions and political assassinations.

A spokesman for the SSS did not return a request seeking comments about when Mr Amosun would be charged, four years after he left office as governor and lost his constitutional immunity from prosecution. Mr Amosun, a member of the APC, stepped down for Mr Tinubu at the ruling party’s national convention in June 2022.

https://gazettengr.com/after-ignoring-amosuns-1000-ak-47-rifles-four-million-bullets-sss-charges-emefiele-over-one-handgun-found-in-lagos-home/

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garfield1:
What exactly is your point? Most judges children are either lawyers or judges.whether ariwoola chairs it or not makes no difference

Please, do you know anything about morality?

sreamsense:
When you finish deceiving yourself and brainless Ipob/esn supporter like you, then come back to tell us what exactly you want from government. Using reverse psychology/hide-and-seek will not help alaigbo in anything related to insecurity in your zone. If Igbos are serious about ending insecurity today before night, they will acheive it. Insecurity in alaigbo is self-made, it requires self-combat solution. So, take government out of your ignorance. Even if USA or Isreal comes to fight insecurity in alaigbo, they may not find solution to your problem so far many still give maximum indirect psychological support to Kanu and Ekpa.

Keep cheering Ipob/esn with left hand in deceit, sympathizing with them and releasing information to them to kill harmless police and vigilantes, and then expect Government to come and perform magic to resolve your problem for you. If every Ipob/esn harassement failed to move Buhari, is it Tinubu who knows you as southern neighbour that your Ipob/esn harassement will affect? Continue in your deceit and ignorance, when you are tired and ready for holistic solution, come back with humility and soberness to beg us for solution. At moment, you guys are still playing game of deceit, arrogance and unseriousness. Continue with your sit-at-home, Ekpa should even make it one month so it will make Tinubu weep well well in Aso rock

Come back and beg who?

Who are you?