₦airaland Forum

fergie001:
Falana was Tinubu's counsel on this same Certificate issues when it came up in 1999.

Falana stood in for Tinubu against Fawehinmi (whom Keyamo worked for at the time). For him to speak now, will be double-speak.

So he has vested interests for or against and will not speak about it.

On the forgery issue, the SC cannot accept new evidence that didn't translate from the lower Court. The lawyers themselves know, the main issues will arise in 2027, not this one.

I understand Falana’s precarious situation as regards the the case but with new evidences and facts now established, isn’t what someone like him who claim to be honorable supposed to do be to retract from whatever position he had taken in the past?

And about new evidence at the Supreme Court, i thought the lower court already have these documents through the evidence of the Atiku witness who got these documents through subpoena from CSU? Or have we all forgotten?

Falana is talking about EFCC and ICPC but cannot talk about Tinubu’s forgery and identity theft.

I don’t want to believe that Falana is just another CORN man😏

“Igbos hate themselves” crooners will be disappointed.

Fools are losing out on the propaganda they had against Ndigbo and Abia and Aba in particular, and I love it.

Southeast on the rise!

Ndi ala!

Lol!

Idiot is talking because he has not been given appointment.

Shebi the fool was defending Tinubu few weeks after he was sworn in?

What is he criticizing him now for?

Or maybe that’s a way for him to remind them that he still dey o😏

Ndi ala!

Mynd44:
When results are uploaded, it gives party agents a way to crosscheck the results of the elections with what was announced.

After the last presidential election, independent bodies determined to prove that Peter Obi won started collating presents based on IREV and none of them released their findings.

One by Mark Essien (a popular obidient) was abandoned midway after he saw that Tinubu truly won and the activity was going to affect Peter Obi's case at the tribunal.

So that is the point of the IREV. To verify the manually transmitted results


Unfortunately, people like Racoon and Penguin2 will not admit this because of their interests.

Ask Engineerboat though, he will admit.

How can you go to collate what is on the IREV when significant percentage of is there is unreadable?

Up to now, not all of the polling units has been uploaded to the IREV as regards the presidential election.

Is that what you will go to collate?

Mynd44:
Jii

The media were the ones who twisted what INEC had insisted. There is nowhere in the electoral law where INEC is mandated to transmit electronically.

IREV is only a backup to confirm results and not the primary method of transmission. In the buildup to the elections, a lot of nonsense were said by both media houses and social media influencers to give separate meaning to the electoral process.



Read This by engineerboat too. He is saying the same thing as me. There is no where INEC told anyone they will replace manual collation with electronic collation if they did, they were either misquoted or you heard wrong.

There’s no where I said INEC talked about Electronic Collation of votes but Electronic Transmission.

INEC promised to transmit results electronically as to mitigate against manipulation of the results/votes that would be collated manually.

We saw it in Edo.

We saw it in Anambra

We saw it Ekiti.

We saw it Osun.

Why did this practice change at the presidential election?

And talking about social media saying what INEC didn’t say before the election, was it Social Media that recorded Mahmoud Yakubu speaking at Chatham House? If yes, is there evidence that INEC denied that what Yakubu was recorded saying at Chatham House was not the position of INEC?

Mynd44:
The law does not mandate electronic transmission. I don't know where you all got this from

The law does.

That is, the law mandates electronic transmission of all elections conducted after the 2022 Electoral Act was signed into law.

But let’s assume the law didn’t make electronic transmission mandatory, that INEC was at liberty to choose which mode to use, what mode did INEC choose and told the world they’d chosen in the 2023 elections?

Yakubu himself, at Chatham House, told the world that INEC would transmit votes electronically IN REAL TIME.

Subsequent press statements and media engagements by INEC reinforced this message.

Even INEC guidelines for the election was tailored in that line.

Only for INEC to turnaround on Election Day and do something contrary to what they have chosen and you think they are still within their right?

Paraman:
INEC will explain to the court how the results were collated from the polling units to the ward, from the ward to the local government, from the local government to the state

Then the court will give judgement base on the fact that INEC was able to explain how they arrive at the results that were called.

Exactly!

But not just explanations alone. They would also bring every supporting documents and ballot papers that they used in arriving at a winner.

This current practice where you tell an aggrieved candidate to go and look for evidence to prove that an election was rigged is just wrong. And it is why INEC always has the audacity to misbehave and rig elections and go ahead to frustrate aggrieved candidates by denying them of the things they need to seek redress.

Currently, according to our laws, the burden of proof of any claim of election rigging rests on the candidate who is alleging. It follows in the legal doctrine of “he who alleges must prove.” But I think this is wrong.

It is wrong because after INEC declares anyone winner, the aggrieved candidate usually relies on INEC to get the materials he needs to prosecute his case. And from experience, INEC sometimes frustrates such candidates or deliberately distort those documents or withhold some. This much was visible in the case of Peter Obi at the Presidential Election Petition Tribunal.

But should the law be amended to shift the Burden of Prove to INEC, whenever any candidate is aggrieved and he approaches the court, the responsibility would rest on INEC to demonstrate and prove to the court how they arrived at the result they used in declaring the winner.

This is good because when INEC realizes that they would have to prove how they arrived at winners in over 1000 constituencies, they would be forced to be so transparent that losers would have little to no reason to approach the courts.

This is part of the reforms needed to sanitize our electoral process.

In addition, there should be be severe consequences for INEC officials, including the Chairman, if they fail to abide by the letters of the Electoral Act or any other regulations guiding the conduct of elections.

A situation where the Chairman of INEC will oversee a sham in the name of election, and walk away without consequences should be a thing of the past.

I propose a 20 years jail term for any INEC chairman who fails to supervise an election according to the dictates of the law.

Similarly, I propose 10 years jail term for any other official of INEC whose department experiences any lapse during election or any adhoc staff who is proven to have deviated from the guidelines guiding the conduct of elections.

It should be made in such a way that people will be running away from serving in INEC for fear of going to jail. But their pay should be made handsome as motivation for the job.

We cannot continue in the path we are going right now or vultures will succeed in taking over Nigeria.

Nigeria must and will be sanitized to work for all Nigerians and not a select and privileged few.

drlateef:
I think you are senseless busy body. The real issues regarding his certificate have been properly thrashed by BBC investigators. How has his statement at Chartam house got to do with authenticity of his certificate? How has his attendance at Government college affected his CSU certificate authenticity? The different slight errors in age records and the F as female have been put down to clerical errors which are common. Basically everything you stated here has no sense at all. BBC is right, you are wrong.

Did you say Clerical errors are common?

Please give instance(s) of anyone who has had similar issues with his or her certificate in Nigeria or anywhere in the world.

abibun:
Will they be making the importation with naira

No. They won’t import with Naira but they can now approach CBN for dollars instead of going to black market which was adding to the pressure on the black market and making value of dollar to skyrocket.

Lol!

So Yakubu is saying that PEPT was wrong when it said INEC was at liberty not to transmit?

Very shameless fools.

Supported by more brainless fools.

The law mandates transmission then why did you not transmit the Presidential election?

Ndi ala!

ozo13:
thanks for the article.But may I ask how Nigeria is crediting billion of dollars to the British treasury .It sounds illegal or may be u just share more light on it.It looks confusing how we are crediting their Treasury

I didn’t say “Nigeria”, I said “Nigerians”.

Do you know how much the UK Government makes from Nigerians applying for Visa of any category?

Google it and you will understand my claim better.

yemex04:
Why is BBC closing its eyes to other obvious questions begging for answers?

Well they(BBC)did mention contacting Tinubu or his aides for clarification on the supposed Questions but didn't get Response before the press time.

Again, the headline & the details of the reportage were in order in my Opinion.. They simply said "There is no Proof Tinubu forged his CSU Certificate" fact checking the whole Transcript of the Deposition, there is indeed no proof that he forged his certificate but instead, there is a substantial Proof by the Testimony of the Registrar that he attended & graduated from the School.. So by the deposition & their supposed findings they couldn't have said "there's a proof"

So they did a balance & non partisan report on the subject matter unlike what we have around..

Still they closed their eyes on other things.

And even the headline of their article is enough to summarize the hatchet job they were out to do.

Hope you are not trying to convince me that BBC is neutral here?

killsmith:
Thunder will not fire anybody.
Nigerians should take real action.
Personally I'll be boycotting the Premier league. I can't keep giving my hard-earned penny to these satanic criminals.

Football?🤔

Naaaah

killsmith:
The news from BBC was very insensitive. Taking Nigerians for fools.

That’s it right there…

They took us for a fool.

A case we followed and a deposition we read, they wanted to tell us that what we read is wrong and they are right.

Thunder fire them!

They’ve lost credibility forever as far as I’m concerned.

yemex04:
Penguin 2 it's been a while here, you are rarely seen or heard of here since after the PEPT Judgement, what's good nah?

Back to the Topic
Oya, start mobilizing your people to start boycotting anything BBC😁😂.. they are compromised.

On a more serious note, Courts or Authorites anywhere in the World will reckon with whatever the Official position of the CSU via its Registrar than any other Opinions.. anything aside theirs is a mere Speculation.. Imagine if CSU had affirmed your belleive that Tinubu never attended their School? Would you still have said the Man is prolly telling lies? You wouldn't have! So my Brother, tell yourself & others to eat the humble pie & accept that the Assumption that Tinubu never attended & graduated from CSU was just a misconception.. Follow the path of Kperogi. Thanks

Well, I’ve been maintaining a studied silence.

The PEPT judges went so low that even Tinubu supporters were dumbstruck. So, there was no need reacting to it.

I don’t know how conversant you are with our laws but you know if they things they said are upheld by the Supreme Court, we would be setting a very dangerous precedent for ourselves.

But I guess it’s all good since it serves Tinubu’s purpose.

About what you said about BBC’s reportage on Tinubu Diploma….

I totally agree with you that anyone reporting on the CSU case will report what the registrar said as the official position.

But my question still remains, was the authenticity of the Tinubu’s Diploma the only offshoot of the CSU certificate saga?

Why is BBC closing its eyes to other obvious questions begging for answers?

Isn’t that bias?

ALARAPE22:
You deserve to be nominated for best comment of the week. You have said it all. You owe me 1k.

I owe you 1k Abi na you owe me 🙄?

yoruboid:
Oya carry your incontrovertible facts to the Supreme Court and use it to upturn his Government. You guys are pained and your BP will rise

Relax, it’s gonna happen.

Watch as members of the estate will be instigated to come out and issue a statement that the chairman did not speak for them and they are very happy with the rice.

The next thing you will hear is that the man has been removed as chairman.

Then police will arrest him for embezzling estate funds in 2017😏.

The Ronu crooners will be here castigating the man for daring to speak against their lords and saviours.

Ndi ala!

Placing FX restrictions on these products was well intentioned but I guess other variables made it become unattainable for now.

The CBN is therefore right to lift the restriction for now so that the importers of those items will not be putting pressure in the black market which adds pressure to the Naira.

It’s an intricate situation really.

successmatters:
How much money dis Sullivan leave in their state coffers when he left?

And Oh, who is the current owner of the large plot of land carved out from the enugu legislative quarters now given to Spar and currently serving as a shopping plaza?

Night and day are different.

Don’t mind these jokers.

In fact, it was because of EFCC wanted to probe Sullivan’s government especially his involvement in the establishment of Spar and everything around it, that made him quickly defect to APC to which saw the probe stopped.

Not saying Sullivan wasn’t a good governor but he cannot be rated above Obi.

But the fools we are dealing with are just too biased and irrational to accept this simple truth.

Lumarstone:
Any thing said on BBC in defense of Tinubu's scandal is just the hand of APC Media team. They are very very strategic and financially equipped.

Not like I don’t know.

Just surprised that BBC could make their platform available for such thing.

It’s the lowest of lows such a platform can go.

yoruboid:
Based on your observation right?

Based on incontrovertible facts.

yoruboid:
If it pains you that much, go and start your news agency and write your own article and publish to a global audience

The BBC took its time, did a thorough investigation, contacted the school and have published their finds. You can publish yours

BTW, you are not a Supreme Court judge, neither is the BBC and they will rule on the matter based on facts before them and not your feelings

I’m not expecting any contrary reaction from you guys. That would be me deceiving myself.

But I ask you again, why did BBC ignore other observable discrepancies in Tinubu’s certificate to focus only on whether Diploma was forged or not?

Racoon:
Well said and articulate. Oil dey your head.

Thank you bro!

The ensuring that Tinubu doesn’t destroy everything left of Nigeria is a duty that must be performed.

I must admit that I was shocked (as I know many must have been) to see the BBC article which exonerated Tinubu of forgery. However, I was only shocked but not surprised.

I was not surprised because I know the extent that the people we are dealing with can go. I was also not surprised because I know that BBC would always serve UK’s interest. And what is UK’s interest? That Nigeria (and their other feeding bottles) remain in ruins so that Nigerians can continue to remit billions of pounds to British Treasury in trying to escape the cesspit that the country has become.

So, in whichever perspective you look at it, BBC’s article is not a product of unbiased analysis or reportage. It’s either they were bought or they were simply serving the interest of their country.

Or how would you justify the fact that BBC never followed nor reported the entire Chicago Court Proceedings on the Tinubu Certificate saga only for them to wake from their pretended slumber after the CSU record had been made public to do a biased fact check and completely exonerate Tinubu of any wrongdoing in the process.

Why this is troubling is because BBC is a big enough platform whose opinion is enough to serve as reference point for other opinion molders and for even the Supreme Court to hang onto and spare Tinubu.

But had they done an unbiased job, it would have been better. Rather they closed their eyes on a lot of questions raised by Tinubu’s CSU records and focused only on whether the diploma that Tinubu submitted to INEC is fake or not.

Or why did it not matter to BBC that the qualifying degree that Tinubu used to gain admission into CSU has “F” boldly written on it which indicates that it belongs to a female?

Why did it not matter to BBC that from CSU records, Tinubu claimed to have attended Government College, Lagos and graduated from the school in 1970 while the school was actually established in 1974?

Why did it not matter to BBC that from CSU records, Tinubu now has up to 3 dates of birth?

Why did it not matter to BBC that speaking at Chatham House in 2022, Tinubu told the world that he had gotten his “Original Replacement Degree Certificates” from CSU only for “Third Party Vendors” to start flying around after Tinubu’s certificate had been released to the public and a lot of discrepancies noticed?

BBC chose rather to base its biased and deficient position on the testimony of CSU Registrar. But how reliable is his testimony in court? How are we sure that the things the Registrar said in court are the truth? What if he told some lies just to help cover CSU’s complicity in the whole mess?

Are facts not meant to be questioned? How far did BBC go in questioning what they relied on as fact?.

So, it’s simple, I know that some people are celebrating the BBC report and would quote it as authority for as long as it serves their purpose, but I want them to know that sane and discerning Nigerians are not deceived.

And the fact that the report is from BBC doesn’t make it infallible, incontrovertible and unquestionable.

Penguin is a bird of reason!

Zxcvbnmghtr:
Could we convince you that Buhari is not dead and wasn't replaced by Jubrin Alsudan?

Continue to be happy in your choice of self delusion. As far as Tinubu is concern it's all about money according to you lots.

How much did Tinubu pay Prof. Soludo when he stated this obvious common sense observable fact?!

My problem with you people is your inability to see beyond your noses.

Your inability to draw inferences from facts before you.

And even to question the facts.

Soludo’s unprovoked vituperations against Obi was simply because he knows that if Obi succeeds in becoming president, then his dream of becoming president would die a natural death as he would be too old to run for election by the time it would be the turn of Igbos again (that’s if he’s still alive).

That’s why he supported Atiku. And I’m sure he would have defected to PDP had Atiku won so that he can position himself.

This is why Soludo talked really rubbish against Obi during the election. Nothing more, nothing less.

But I can guarantee you one thing for free - that Soludo ended his political career with that singular action. I’m not asking you to believe me, I’m asking you to wait and see.

tollyboy5:
If tinubu could pay BBC prize and faruq price, then just respect him as one of the greatest politician ever. You also have a price, but you're just an online obidient that's all.

There’s no respect for a crook.

Anyone can decide to dole out money and buy up people to sing their Elegy when they should be singing their Dirge, it takes honour not to do that. And honour and Tinubu are two parallel concepts.

Shey dem no fit rename this place ni?🤔

Hedonisco:
Apart from financial inducement, there is no Yoruba Muslim in the world that doesn't feel a sense of orgasmic fulfilment with Tinubu's presidency. None. And yes the Facrook idiot IS a Yoruba Muslim, spare me that Kwara nonsense.

Even their most educated - in fact, especially their most educated - feel validated and ecstatic, almost in a mental state of continuous psychological ejaculation by the simple fact that Tinubu, one of their own, can answer President of Nigeria, regardless of how he got there.

I have one such idiot who is a lawyer, who I thought to be reasonable and enlightened. It took Tinubu's emergence in the scene to see him for the hopelessly bigoted pig that he is. Discarded like thrash forever.

They are all the same. It would be stupid to think that Facrook would be any different.

That’s why I like what Dele Farotimi said. That he thanks God for Tinubu because his emergence has exposed a lot of closet bigots and ethnic chauvinists we didn’t they are like that.

That men we considered honorable could be coming out to defend Tinubu with all his baggage and criminality can be likened to the 9th wonder of the world.