₦airaland Forum

Ttalk:
You claimed your post is not biased but you reference only a Yoruba pastor in the long epistle you wrote and your bigoted brain didn't tell you you ought to at least mention one or two to include your jaundiced post.

If you were to give your jargon post a title what best title would have suited the post.

Dey there dey play. Yorubas are way ahead of you. Trying to copy them will only sink you and your region into an eternal abyss.

Tell me an Igbo or Hausa pastor guilty of what Kumuyi is presently being attacked for that I refused to reference.

Skyview01:
It is not going to be easy, the brain washing has been going on for decades. Its not going to be easy to tell people Thithes and offerings will never make you rich, you are also never going to be rich by giving your money away in help to others.

In one generation, the Chinese lifted 100,s of millions of their citizens out of poverty to become a major player in the world while we are still praying in poverty and immorality.
I do not give a thome to churches with branches or with GO's owning private jets.

I would rather tske my money directly to the motherless homes, prisons where my money will trully help the ones in need.

You are right.

Africa’s problem requires practical solutions and until we identify and support people with the capacities to fix these problems, they won’t go away no matter how hard we pray.

Unfortunately only few of us see things from this perspective for now.

darealez:
If he says he drove on empty tank, he did. If the dead can live, nothing is impossible for my God.

As for the politics that is making you misyarn, the church has never been the reason for idiocy. Blame something else.

Will Daddy Kumuyi stop the tribunal? NO!! Will bribery stop them, yes!! How's this the fault of religion?

When it comes to holiness, I listen to him. When it comes to prosperity I listen to Daddy Sam Adeyemi, when it comes to humily, I listen Pa Adeboye... Yet, I knew to get a degree and practice to become an software engineer.

Church wasn't the problem, is not the problem and will never be the problem. Slavery mentality can be blamed, our selfishness can be blamed, our greed can be blamed, our hypocrisy can be blame, our wickedness can be blamed effectively without mentioning religion.

As a traditionalist we failed! Christianity was brought, those who brought it succeeded yet we failed. When the Whites handled our nation, didn't we perform?! So, why is the blame on religion?

Did you blame the trillion embezzled daily? Did you blame the POS guy who charged 10% last year? Was that religion? Was it religion that made my tribe install a fraud all in the name of Yoruba ronu? Was that religion?

Daddy Adeboye might be silent...he has lived a good life. The youths on the street who shouldn't be silent are there screaming Emilookan just for their pocket sake. Is that religion as well?

Hypocrisy is why y'all scream religion at every slightest shake!! Yes, I supported Obi.. I am still supporting Peter Obi, Tribunal will rule for Justice BUT Religion didn't rig the elections!!

There are way bigger and luxurious churches across the world, yet that doesn't make those countries weak. This same slavery and entitlement mentality you carry is the problem.

If one man chose to build churches and it doesn't align with you, go out there and build a factory. Free yourself from lucid antagonism, learn to discuss things for what they are.

Pa Kumuyi's words will not overturn Tribunal.

Simple!!

All eyes on the judiciary!!

Your line of argument seems to make sense but not to a large extent.

Yes, Kumuyi and the church cannot stop the Tribunal just like the couldn’t stop INEC, but if the church starts speaking in one voice in condemnation of what is wrong no matter who it favours, then the perpetrators of these evils will have nowhere to draw any moral strength from.

Right now, the election riggers and killers can boast of having Kumuyi’s support which they’d feel legitimizes all the atrocities they have done.

But if all these religious leaders of all religions, be it Christianity, Islam or ATR, can speak in one voice against anything that goes against the acceptable social norms and values, the pressure would be higher on the Judiciary for instance, not to uphold the current election as it was conducted and the outcome thereof.

But the voices of people like Kumuyi makes it seem like the society is divided and there are people supporting Tinubu and the election as it stands.

Have you seen why we talk to them?

kayperry:
If i wasnt a Nigerian or properly above 10yrs i would thought Tinubu is the Devil for real, asides propaganda & delusions what does Tinubu represent that violate the laws of Nigeria.
Please tell us the values Tinubu represent that is against our law and God ??
Kumuyi is a renowned clergy man while Tinubu is renowned politician, they are guided by different doctrines, kumuyi living with the confines of the bible is an upright being,
Tinubu living within the confines of Nigeria law,he is an upright being except you have an evidence of him breaking the law

Moreover kumuyi and Tinubu religion differ, accessing and judging Tinubu (muslim) base on a pastors teaching doesnt hold water

It doesn’t matter your religion you profess, good is good everywhere and evil is evil everywhere.

Tinubu forfeited money due to drugs, is that the value Kumuyi preaches?

Tinubu lies about everything which has made him hide his primary and secondary schools and made his past unverifiable, is that the value Kumuyi preaches?

What about Tinubu’s political choices? People were killed in last election in Lagos and he has never spoken in condemnation of it. Does that represent the values Kumuyi upholds?

Or for Kumuyi, Christianity is Christianity and politics is politics?

That is he can throw away all the values that he has taught since he opened his first church on the alter of politics?

Hahahahahaha

kayperry:
Baba kumuyi is a Nigerian 1st, just like anyone he has everyone right to support whatever or whoever as long as it does not violate the law

Just like any sane human, Kumuyi prayed for the nation, how is that even a support for Tinubu,
IF kumuyi wants to support APC or Tinubu as you say, is it outside his fundamental rights.
Is Kumuyi not human, you support Peter Obi freely why can't kumuyi support Tinubu .. you must be very selfish & self centered
Are there no pastors & churches supporting Peter Obi freely .. who is attacking them and calling them names

Is Peter OBi not part of the PDP that failed Nigeria for 16yrs, incase you forgot OBi & Datti left Pdp 2022.

Nobody said Kumuyi has no right to support whoever he wants.

The question we are asking is, looking at the values that Kumuyi has preached and vigorously propagated over the years, does Tinubu represent those values?

Wickedfacts:
Mbaka was dragged because he didn't support Obi, you shameless liar.
Continue destroying Obi's chances with your foolishness.

I'm happy non Igbos who voted Obi have seen the kind of evil agenda you Obidients are pushing.

Mbaka was first dragged in 2015 for supporting Buhari over Jonathan.

Or is your memory failing you?

Kukutente23:
He never said God told him anything. What he said was a prayer of faith not a prophecy.
If you don't know the difference, don't put your mouth in it.
Your parents pray for God's blessings on you. Is that a prophecy too? But your expect it to come to pass not so?

The prayer of faith he made in 1986 and it didn’t yield results.

The prayer of faith he made in 2015 that “God ordained Buhari and Osinbajo” and it didn’t work because the both of them left Nigeria worst than any Nigerian leader ever did.

He made same prayer of faith in 2016 and said God will give Buhari the solution to Nigeria’s problems in 2017, and it never came to pass.

Now he’s making same prayer of faith and said people should believe him sheepishly?

Kukutente23:
Don't be clever by half. Mbaka was called out for supporting Buhari and not for denouncing Buhari.
What I'm asking is if any Eastern pastor has ever opposed a govt yet you never call them out for not opposing sitting govts.

So in the end, after Buhari’s 8 years, would you now say that Mbaka’s prophecy was right or true?

Nairastake:
My friend told me the church where they worship today in Bolton used to be a Roman Catholic Church, but RCCG has taken over the big auditorium because the Catholics seems to have deserted the Church. All those Catholic saints images on the window glasses are still there till today.

That same thing will soon happen in Africa. Remember this day.

When governments start doing their job and people no longer have to pray for jobs, food, health, security, clothes, success, then you would realize that it is needs and hunger that has been driving Africans to church.

Skyview01:
If God told him Nigeria would be better under and after all the prayers and vigils, the opposite happened.

The inevitable conclusions are either he never heard from God or he, Kumuyi was deliberately deceiving the masses with platitudes.

Our religious leaders in Nigeria are a bigger problem than the politicians. The masses are being brainwashed into docility and false expection that God will come down and build Nigeria.

I am sorry to break it to you dude. God will never build any country. We have to work hard, elect credible leaders and hold them accountable.

Build factories, large mechanised farms instead of building a brainwashing centre(Churches and mosques).

God did not build China, Germany, South Korea, Chile Canada and i can go on.

We have to get up from our knees and go to work.

We have to change our mentality of wealth creation without work.
We have to start being honest to each other as a citizen and stop defrauding ourselves. Parents have to imbibe honestly and hardwork into their children.

We have to stop with the en titlement mentality and various extortions.

Stop building bigger churches and mosques. Imagine the effect if the millions spent in building a maga church is used to build a huge mechanized farm, thousands will be employed, food prizes will crash and we may even start to export to other countries which will bring forex and help stabilize Naira.

With all the churches and prayers, how has it helped Nigerians the past 20 years. Has Nigeria become less sinful?better?, more prosperous? More moral?

CAPITAL NO! IT AIN'T WORKING PEOPLE!

Einstein defines insanity as doing same thing while expecting a different results.

The pastors have become wealthier and i have come to the conclusions they are only sect benefiting from the present conditions of Nigeria and Nigerians.
Why do you think church branches are being created? To generate more revenues for the church founders and families to get filthy wealthy. Look around you think.

We owe a duty to our children and future generations for Nigeria to work.

ENOUGH OF RELIGIOUS MASS BRAINWASHING.

God bless you so much for this.

How I wish it can be moved separately to the front page by the moderators.

You know the problem with majority of Nigerians is that they are not even aware that they are victims of religious brainwashing for the good of these Daddy GOs.

Their mental capacity has not yet developed to that rational stage of questioning things through independent thinking of theirs. They still believe whatever these pastors tell them no matter how unreasonable it is and they are ready to fight you for daring to question the position of their pastor.

For me I think what we need is a social re-engineering. It’s gonna take a while but it’s a task that must be achieved. Our people must be made to learn the right things different from the wrong teachings of the colonial preachers whose handbook these so called men of God are now using. Europe did it, Africa can do it.

SenatePresdo:
Must you put ethnicity into this?

They just try to sanitize you from religious blindness, you still carry two legs dey put for ethnic blindness.

Na people like you dey make whites call blacks monkey, ordinary sense is not ordinary.

Like, are you not surprised?

Nothing in the post warranted his comment but of course he had to display ignorance which betrays his level of rationality.

Skyview01:
This article is spot on. Most of what we pray for in Nigeria are what are being provided by functional governments in developed countries.
We go to give testimonies in churches to thank God for a visitors visa, can you freaking imagine.
Enough of docility and being bainwashed by a fellow man.

I have come to the realization that religion and spirituality are a person construct and will not subject myself to brainwashing.

My daughter is buying her own car in SS3, we do not have to pray for that.

The government have provided an enabling environment where she can work and make that money while still in high school.

Our leaders have the power to provide for 98% of what we pray for in Nigeria if they are credible and being held accountable.

Tinubu may work and i believe he will be better than Buhari. I believe his intentions may be genuine. Right now, he is all we've got and he cannot afford to fail for the sake of millions of Nigerians.

Those are statements of personal opinion.
If i add, God will to my above statements then i am on to something else entirely.

You can imagine.

An SS3 student about to buy her own car while a university graduate of 5 years is still carrying files around in Nigeria.

Yet when we try to hold our leaders here accountable, they tag us haters and all what not.

pandoragirigory:
Why was Mbaka Ejike spared and pastor Adeboye, pastor Kumuyi pastor Adefarasin, Ooni of Ife Fela Kuti that is dëad Wole Soyinka even babies like Reno omokri little baby and Seyi law's were insulted

Ejike Mbaka spared?

Do you have short memory or you are being deliberately mischievous?

Were you not here when we took on Mbaka until the Bishop of Enugu Diocese suspended him from Adoration and sent him to a US Monastery to pray?

You lots were his greatest supporters back then.

Or you have forgotten so soon?

Patriotcreed:
Go and ask your criminal southeast pastors these nonsense, and leave kumuyi off your nonsense.

I think you need to go back to school sir, and learn when to see things through your tribal prism and when to be objective.

Everything is not an attack on your tribe.

Or anybody from your tribe must never be talked about no matter how guilty they are? I’m sure you also defend those caught with human skull because they are your tribesmen.

This piece is an objective submission on all the so called men of God in Nigeria in particular, and Africa in general.

Why did you have to make it about your tribe?

Besides, were you not here when we went against Mbaka when ran fowl of same thing?

IfnobeGod20:
If you've been following Rivers state elections, you will conclude that election in that state has been charade and it became even worse during Wike's tenure. They just seat in places and concoct results to announce.
How is it hearable that APC won the presidential election in Rivers but could not win a single National Assembly Election conducted same time same day? I want somebody to proof me wrong.

Don’t mind them.

thegooddieyoung:
You forgot Nigeria broh

Lol!

That one na sure banker na.

It’s like the way we exclude Dangote when counting rich people in Nigeria because he’s too rich to be included. Lol!

We are waiting to see the miracle that the Tribunal will use to retain Tinubu in power.

Yesterday I saw a publication by Tinubu’s propaganda blog, Podium Reporters, asking why Peter Obi has kept quiet while “Obidients” attack Kumuyi for “praying for Nigeria”.

But that’s a mischievous suggestion. Because Kumuyi’s condemnation was from all Nigerians.

Till now, I’ve not seen a single tweet in support of Kumuyi.

So, it’s either all Nigerians are now Obidient or Podium Reporters are being mischievous as usual by dragging Obi into what is entirely none of his business.

Does Obi think for the Nigerian youths?

Besides, I thought they said majority of Nigerians voted Tinubu? Why didn’t that majority defend Kumuyi? Why is the voice of the ‘minority’ always louder than the supposed majority?

To Kumuyi….

Who has he been hearing from? Because it’s obvious it hasn’t been God all these years.

Or why does he keep issuing prophesies that never come to pass and people expect that we fold our arms and watch these guys lie to us all the time without consequences or their bluff being called?

These guys keep taking advantage of the gullibility of the majority of Africans who have faith without reason.

I remember when Adeboye once said he drove from Lagos to Ore on an empty tank, and people believed him. They didn’t ask questions about the possibility of such. They insisted it was a miracle that must never be probed nor questioned.

Wake up, Africa!

Wake up and see that these men are conmen who are feeding fat on your gullibility “In The Name of God.”

And they know that the day Nigeria gets her leadership right, and things start working, that’s the day they will go out of business.

Because 90% of things that people go to church to pray for, are things with temporal (physical) solution that requires no recourse to the metaphysical (prayers).

Name it:

Food

Job

Shelter

Visa

Capital for business

Success in exam

Cure for disease, etc.

These are things that a functional government will see to its adequate availability and thereby reducing the dependence of people on these churches and Daddy GOs.

It happened in Europe.

There was a time when the economy of Europe was in shambles and people depended highly on God, through prayers, for their daily survival. That period saw to the emergence of big churches and cathedrals where people went to pray.

But when European countries started getting their leadership right and their economy blossomed and government started doing its job of providing basic amenities and jobs that help people have a means of livelihood, the people realized that they’ve been seeking spiritual solution to physical problems.

The population in the churches started to dwindle until some churches became empty. And some of those churches started getting converted into warehouses for storage of goods manufactured in industries.

Now, these Nigerian, nay African, pastors know this story. And they know that if African countries start to get its leadership right, what happened in Europe will inevitably happen in Africa; and Nigeria is not excluded.

That’s why they keep supporting the wrong leaders and telling lies in the name of prophecy - prophesies that never come to pass.

Now, when we call the hypocrisies of these charlatans out, some people who are irredeemably gullible, hopelessly superstitious and still operating with animistic mentality, where every occurrence is attributed to the gods, will be telling us to “touch not my anointed and do my prophet no harm.” That’s the escape line of these charlatans.

Wake up Africa and take thine salvation into thine hands!

“Let us pray for Nigeria” - Kumuyi, 1986

“God ordained Buhari and Osinbajo, they will deliver” - Kumuyi, 2015

“God will give Buhari Solution to Nigeria’s problems” - Kumuyi, 2017

“Tinubu will rebuild Nigeria” - Kumuyi, 2023.

These gods of men have become shameless.

Mr Kumuyi Should tell us the God he hears from, cuz it’s becomin apparent he doesn’t hear from the living God; cuz the living God doesn’t lie.

But I get it….

The continued stay in business of these charlatans is dependent upon Nigeria being rotten.

It doesn’t matter to Mr Kumuyi that Tinubu forfeited $460,000 drug money to the US.

It doesn’t matter to him that Tinubu has certificate forgery allegations against him.

It doesn’t matter 2 him that INEC shut down collation system to rig for Tinubu.

Kumuyi where are ur morals?

https://twitter.com/naughti_awol/status/1694088301571866726?s=46&t=2AB_wrBea-oBYJf5ZCFV-A

Rivers

Lagos

Enugu

Kaduna

Ogun

Nasarawa

Kebbi

Sokoto

One or two or more of these states will not escape judicial restitution.

All eyes on the judiciary!

yarimo:
make sure obi and abure obey court order

Joke of you to bring Arabambi’s opinion into public discourse.

Do you see anyone caring about what he or his fellow jokers has to say?

Even the media don’t even give them attention anymore because their subscription has finished.

Meanwhile, I’m sure you saw Arabambi’s stupid statement but didn’t see that Appeal Court has reinstated Abure, Abi? Has the Arabambi group vacated that judgment? Have they appealed it and gotten a contrary judgment at the Supreme Court?

Shegs12345:
Lol, so u think Awolowo is a coward like Ojukwu that ran away

Those who commit suic!de are even worst cowards because they kill themselves because they can’t withstand or stay to stand the consequences of their actions.

“He who fights and runs away, lives to fight another day.”

GeneralPula:
You don cast..

I don cast like concrete - very strong.

Now can you tell Tinubu to go and campaign for Uzodimma?

yarimo:
No candidate can defeat hope UZODIMMA in imo state. Congratulations to hop as governor elect of imo state in advance

Tell Tinubu to go and campaign for him na.

GeneralPula:
You created a topic. You con dey use your alternate monikers to quote yourself ontop Apc matter..

Be ready to wonder for 8 years where he’s popular..

Eyaaah!

You must think everyone is as jobless as you lots.

proeast:
Hahahaha, Ebola pandemic can't even campaign for anyone because he is very unpopular. Anyone he campaigns for is assured of losing because Nigerians hate him with passion

That’s somebody that supposedly “won” an election o.

You will now be wondering where he’s really popular and you can’t find.

Shegs12345:
The same Awolowo dat made 1.2 million of ur ppl to die of hunger na

So it was the guilt that made him drink rat poison like a gilted lover?

I saw the most ridiculous news I’ve seen in a while on front page - that there an anti-Peter Obi protest in Imo.

Not only did the news come from an ijiotic Wike supporter on Twitter, the rubbish was pushed to front page and it was funny to see that some people were gloating that there was truly an anti-Peter Obi protest in Imo.

What’s more funny? The so called “protesters” were hiding their faces from the camera. Reminded me of the fake Bishops who ran away from press interviews after attending Shettima’s event.

To believe that there was an anti-Peter Obi protest in Imo is like believing that there will be an anti-Buhari protest in Katsina, Kano, Sokoto, etc.

I don’t expect you to believe it but anything you see called protest against Peter Obi in any Southeast or Southsouth state is a political gimmick of political jobbers or losers who are terribly intimidated by Obi’s intimidating popularity.

The Imo charade was organized by Uzodimma. Because he knows that with Peter involved in Achonu’s campaign, the chances of him retaining Imo is minus zero percent.

I know you will not believe me and that’s why I’m asking when Tinubu is going to campaign for Uzodimma in Imo.

You believe Imo people truly protested against Obi, right? Tell Tinubu, that you believe is popular in Imo, to go and campaign for the governorship candidate of his party in Imo.

Again, don’t also forget to tell Tinubu to go and campaign for APC in the forthcoming Local Government Elections in Edo. You hear?

jeromestarks:
That's the thing. No single person truly controls a government. It is a machine. All its part most work together. Even the head does not truly direct the body.
It is very difficult to manage because it is very difficult to understand.
Tinubu understands that. That is why he is unstoppable.

If chairmen don’t control the body, why are chairmen blamed when things go wrong?

jeromestarks:
ECOWAS is a body of members States - countries.

Tinubu is not ECOWAS!
He is just the chairman. He is a part of the body, he does not truly direct the body.
You're too dumb to understand how the government works.

Does the body control the chairman or the chairman controls the body?

cybersoldiers:
But that's the simple truth.

Yoruba want to destroy the North with their war.


What is Tinubu exactly fighting for in Niger??

Northerners have seen what illegitimate President can do.

The north has several IDP camps littered almost all over the region due to insecurity.

Now Tinubu wants to add to those IDP camps by starting a war at their backyard.

There is no way there will be explosions of bombs at the backyard of Sokoto people and you expect them to still stay in their homes; they will definitely become IDPs of war.

That’s why the north is very vocal against any war in Niger - because they will be the hardest hit - but Tinubu is insisting on going to war.

garfield1:
This judgment has knocked out a part of obi and atiku petition against jagaban

Judgment of a lower court? You must clutch on straws to stay afloat, right?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vg5rXK54itU

This northerner was captured on camera venting his displeasure with Tinubu’s supposed insistence to go to war in Niger Republic.

He obviously shares same sentiments with most northerners who have spoken against the war because the people of Northern Nigeria and Niger Republic are one people.

But he went further to query if Tinubu would have still threatened war if Niger shared border with any of the Southwest States considering the collateral damage that is likely to ensue from such exercise.