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[quote author=Tudór link=topic=308068.msg4344151#msg4344151 date=1250158526]EXCUSES!! EXCUSES!!
Was the lord jesus forming millionaires club and charging poor followers N20 to use the toilet??

Did the master Jesus live a flamboyant lifestyle and buy private jets all with poor peoples money?!

Did the Lord Jesus wine, dine and collect favours from corrupt presidents without even condeming them for their sins?!

Was the lord jesus blocking lagos ibadan expressway constituting a nightmare to people who just wanna live their lives?!

When did the lord Jesus Ever build a N7b naira auditorium in the midst of hungry, hopeless and hepless people?!

I can't remember the lord jesus writing books and telling disciples to purchase them!

Nowhere in the bible did we see christ setting up schools for the rich while the poor are damned to hell![/quote]Again, how its an atheist who's actually making sense here?

[shakes head and wipes tears off his eyes]

Hello everyone,

As a Christian, I felt very ashamed reading this thread. Pastor Adeboye's new stunt is not really new. Its actually common to all wannabe "men of gawds" who've proved they're gifted at devising schemes to milk people. To me, what he's done is not news at all.
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WHat's made me so so so ashamed, is the display of ignorance and sentiments by most of the "Christians" who've posted on this thread.

How did we fall this far?

How come its an atheist (Tudor) who's desperately trying to point us to the truth!!! Haba! He even showed more understanding of the bible than most of the christians who've posted here. Why is this? Why?  

I weep for my fellow christians, who apparently don't know what Christianity is about.  

huxley,

Tried to download it but the link isn't working o!

JeSoul:
ROTFLOL      naija go kill me with laugh   
    As for armed robbers, I'm sure they have considered the possibility, I bet the collection box is probably made of reinforced steel 

[quote author=Tudór link=topic=305502.msg4300219#msg4300219 date=1249421871]Haven't you heard that tithing is unbiblical?[/quote]So poster, haven't you heard? Or taken time to study for yourself?

And besides, what are you doing with "not so clean monies"?

chukwudi44:
@tonye-t

God also commanded Abraham to circumcise himself and his family long before the law,but st Paul also included it among the law .Even if most of us are circumcised today,it has nothing to do with the jewish law but simply as a medical precaution.

Also cain,Abel,Noah,Abraham and other ancient leaders that lived before Moses offered burnt offerings long before the law was given,Do you mean to tell me that I can also offer burnt offering today?

Also there is no place that tithe was commanded to be money or to be paid monthly ,the tithe Abraham paid to melchizedek was paid just once and never involved money .

The tithe moses aksed the jewis to[pay was paid annually and once in three years .the annual tithes were meant to be eaten by the tither and members of his family while the tithe paid in the third year was for levites,widows and orphans.

Also note that the tithe mentioned in malachi 3 was not the tithe of melchizedek rather it was the levithical tithes.

Both tithes never involved money and was never paid monthly,besides the levites who received tithes wre never allowed to own property ,today all manner of prosperity preachers threaten people on a basis of an abolished jewish law

This tithing heresy is not just heretical but also crininal,the book of 2 cor 9 :7 clearly tells christians to give freely .the bible is replete witha a number of veres that disproves tithing. paul wrote to the thesalonians and told them that he had to work for his own living.

TITHE IS NOT AND CAN NEVER BE A CHRISTIAN DOCTRINE ,IT IS PART OF THE ABOLISHED(FULFILLED) JEWISH LAW.

trying to tithe while neglecting other portions of the jewish law might attract the curse of te law of moses as gal 3 :10 clearly tells us.

Chukwudi44, thanks for that excellent post! I just want to add to the highlighted part, that Abraham didn't give the tithe tenth from his own money. It was loot he got from war.

I also want to add that the reason why a lot of people cling to tithing as though their life depends on it is because they think its something they can do and get God indebted to them.

Study your bible folks! A good study of the books of Leviticus & Hebrews should throughly thrash this issue.

davidylan:
you may have "read the bible a lot" but do you understand it? There is a difference between reading a book for understanding and reading it to ferret for more reasons to disparage it.

Obviously, thats how they read the bible

chidibrown:
U high? Na 4 joke section u wan marry?

jamiru:
furthermore, if peradventure there is 'no' God, i dont lose,  becos i simple die and that is the end; but what if peradventure there is a God after all this, i wont lose becos i have chosen to believe He exist and a rewarder of them that deligently seek Him.

Thanx a bunch for this! Sometimes I wonder if atheists ever think of this.

Abuzola,

18 For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.
1 Cor 1:18

Abuzola:
Jesus body was stolen according to Epistle of barnabas, so keep quiet dude

No Abuzola, Jesus' body was not stolen. Its a very dumb idea to even think it was stolen, or should I say, could've been stolen on such short notice.

Who stole the body? The disciples who were scared to death and in hiding? The disciples who in their fear for life and dismay even forgot that he'd said himself that he would rise from the dead after 3 days?

Or how could they have stolen the body from trained Roman Soldiers guarding the tomb?

You enh,   

And besides, how can you as a muslim, believe that Jesus was actually killed? Your quaran denies that he was killed.

JIL:
@abuzola

Please, you have been excused to write in Arabic as we are more likely to understand your Arabic than your almajiri grammar.

@JIL and co, Una no go kill me for nairaland oooo

I had to check if I was really in the Religion section and not the Jokes section

And in response to the Poster's question; Yes, He will return!

And like Olladegbu has pointed out the scriptures say, its not going to be funny for those who're not part of his flock.

ladysex:
@Wirinet, very well said.
Same God - different points. The OT emphasizes perfect justice, which is what we would all suffer if it wasn't for Christ. The NT emphasizes perfect mercy, which is what we receive because of Christ.

@ladysex,

Thanks a bunch for your post! I'd already decided I wasn't going to post anything as it seemed most of the people who've posted have used this opportunity to spill out their half-baked ideas about God. Will be back to respond to some of the issues raised. But let me briefly address the main issue here:

Are the God of the NT and OT the same? YES!!!

You only need to properly study and understand the bible.

Take for example:

The "non-offensive" God of the NT (as you've portrayed here), Slew Herod when he misyaned, and killed both Annanias and Saphira when they lied. Does that sound like a different God to you?

Should be back to post more on this?

Cheers!

Abuzola:
*big smile* i have known that my fact is unbreakable.

Abuzola,

What "fact" are you talking about?

Abuzola:
*speaking Mangalese* Lakuta mamamama. @petres- are you a born again christian ? If yes then can you sincerely tell me that through out last week you commit no sin, either by lying, looked at lustful thing such as indecent dressing exhibiting the front side and backside and many more, if thats the case then no christian on earth is holy since they are born again christians and yet commit sin after knowledge had come to them, hahahahaha, now let me see how wan refute this

Once more, you've shown that you actually do not understand Christianity.

Abuzola:
hahahahaha, now let me see how wan refute this

Abuzola, this isn't a game.

Horus:
Christians claim that heaven is further than the furthest star, and that is where Jesus went with his father to prepare a place for you, right. Remember, John 14:2 “In my father's house are many mansions, I go to prepare a place for you.” However, if you look at the possibility of Jesus coming back , the furthest star away from Earth is billions of light years away. Therefore, in actuality, Jesus still didn't get to heaven. There's no way he could be on his way back.

[shakes head in disbelief]

Thanks for the post ttalks!

I know say Abuzola go soon show,

Abuzola:
Titus indeed,
A former prostitute, thief, rapist and murderer who aftermath accept christ is holier than Abraham and moses, excellent, no wonder my christian friends who engage in yahoo yahoo and  fornication keep telling me they will repent later and become born again. This christianity of a thing sha, so if am a christian who had murdered whackingly and raped thousand and become born again it means i am holier than Abraham. This is ridiculous !

Abuzola,

Once again, you've shown stark ignorance of what Christianity really entails. Or how else can you say this crap you just spat out here? If you're going to undermine Christianity, please do so reasonably. 

The bible is very clear (sometimes, in my opinion), even brutal/harsh when it comes to this issue of sin). Study or just read through the bible. You can't miss it!

26 For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins,

27 but a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and fiery indignation which will devour the adversaries.

Hebrews 10:26-27

As for the kind of people you just described in your post, I assure, they never were Christians! They may think they are. They may go to church or even be pastors and GOs. But they never met Christ. Because the very first step to Christianity is repentance from sin!! Repentance! Anyway, I don't blame you too much sha, because most of our churches and their leaders have twisted the gospel of Jesus Christ and one of the essentials they took away or watered down to no significance, is the issue of Repentance.

Others closely tied to it are Holiness & Righteousness. So maybe you ought to modify your attacks a little - direct them at the current crop of so-called Christians we have today, who have "customized" the gospel, to their own destruction.

But true, biblical Christianity stands! It is true that it is by God's grace in Christ that we are saved, but this grace is obviously not a license for anyone to continue living in sin. Please look at the scriptures below:

1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound?

2 Certainly not! How shall we who died to sin live any longer in it?

Romans 6: 1-2


Nevertheless the solid foundation of God stands, having this seal: "The Lord knows those who are His," and, "Let everyone who names the name of Christ depart from iniquity."

2 Timothy 2:19


Come to think of it, did you even read ttalk's initial post, because it was about the christian and sin, and talked about this issue.

@ttalks, thanks for your responses to Abuzola. After reading his replies to my posts, I didn't what else to write again as he obviously wouldn't understand.

Abu,

I'm not getting things mixed up.

Fact #1 - 2 Corinthians was a letter written by Paul to the Christians at Corinth.
Fact #2 - It wasn't originally written in chapters and verses
Fact #3 - With or without Facts 1 & 2, its very obvious (of course, with a little understanding of the English language) Paul wasn't talking literally in verse 1 of chapter 11

Abu, you're getting me scared o!

I know you're trying really hard to undermine christianity but please, no be like dis na!

Abuzola:
Don't be ridicule, young man. Chapter 10 is a new dimension which have nothing to do with 11. Each chapter is like a new book.

No its not! Chapter 10 continues into 11. [/b]These were originally letters Abuzola,[b] they weren't written in chapters and verses. The chapters and verses were introduced much later to allow reference and easier readability. How can you even say this? 

Abuzola:
Go and check the meaning of chapter and come back

No sir. Its obvious you're the one who needs to do a proper study of both chapters to get understand them, better still the entire 1st and 2nd letters to the Corinthians.

Cheers! 

No Abuzola, No.

I think its very clear to me now, that you just read the bible looking for anything to use against Christianity/the bible. Even if it means lifting verses out of context! Na wah o! Please read 2 Corinthians chapter 10 and then chapter 11, in its entirety, so you can get the full picture! What you just did is very wrong/improper. You can't lift verses out of their original context.

I really feel like pasting both chapters here but it'll be too long. Maybe I'll just mention here that first Paul was trying to make a point. He was'nt literally calling himself a fool. Like I said, please read chapters 10 and 11 to understand what he was saying.

Abuzola:
Is it my fault that paul acknowledged himself as a fool ?

2corinthian 11:1 'i wish you would bear with me in a little madness. Do bear with me !'

I even thought you were joking o!

Abuzola:
Is it my fault that paul acknowledged himself as a fool ?

2corinthian 11:1 'i wish you would bear with me in a little madness. Do bear with me !'

[falls off his chair laughing uncontrollably]

Please tell me you don't mean what you just said. Pls

Abuzola:
There he is talking as a fool and you people accepted a fool's inspiration.
Concerning gateway to criminality_ Have you fnrgotten the verse that says if you accept christ as your personal saviour and die for ur sin you will not be in hell.

Abuzola,

if accepting the work of Christ and putting one's faith in him, which Paul preached, is what you used to qualify him as a "fool", then what you have a problem with, is not Paul. But the gospel of Jesus Christ. Because thats what Paul preached, correctly, like all the other apostles like Peter, James, John, Thomas etc. And they all preached this both in line with Old Testament prophecies about the new covenant which was going to b based on God's grace alone, and also in obedience to Jesus' commandments and teaching.

So its not just Paul whom you're calling "criminal" and "fool". By extension: all the other apostles Peter, John, James, Jesus himself, all the prophets under the old covenant right up to John the baptist.

And one passage of scripture comes to mind Abuzola:

18 For the word of the cross is folly to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.

19 For it is written, "I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and the cleverness of the clever I will thwart.",

20 Where is the wise man? Where is the scribe? Where is the debater of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world?

21 For since, in the wisdom of God, the world did not know God through wisdom, it pleased God through the folly of what we preach to save those who believe.

22 For Jews demand signs and Greeks seek wisdom,

23 but we preach Christ crucified, a stumbling block to Jews and folly to Gentiles,

24 but to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God.

25 For the foolishness of God is wiser than men, and the weakness of God is stronger than men.

Abuzola:
2 corinthians 11:21 paul said 'to my shame, i must say, we were too weak for that ! But whatever anyone dares to boast of - I am speaking as a fool- I also dare to boast of that'

Yeah, so what did he say here that makes him foolish and absurd? How did what he said here open the gateway for criminals?

Have you tried reading the entire chapter to get a proper understanding of what he was talking about?

Abuzola:
@questioner. Paul said anybody who accept christ as his personal saviour and die for ur sin no matter ur crime you will never go to hell. A gateway to commit all kind of atrocities.
Check 1corin 21:1 and see his craziness

I couldn't find the verse o! There's no 1 Corinthians chapter 21.

Please give me the correct quotation. Thanx

JeSoul:
And it is a highly flawed argument, most espcially when he starts with the blatant lie and totally and completely false assertion that the "doctrine of omnipotence is not a biblical one". - That is a LIE, LIE, LIE!!!

Tell them JeSoul, tell them!!!

Abuzola:
This is the foolishness and absurdity of paul, how  and why should he open a gateway to criminals,

Abuzola,

I don;t understand your post. What do you mean by the "foolishness and absurdity of Paul"? "And why should he open a gateway to criminals"?

What's your beef with Paul?

Chrisbenogor:
Just the kind of input I need, thank you bro.
Is there anywhere at all in the gospels where Jesus says he came to die for the sin of man?

@Chrisbenogor,

I really don't know what you're up to. But here's one sha:

27 And he took a cup, and when he had given thanks he gave it to them, saying, "Drink of it, all of you;
28 for this is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.
Matthew 26:27-28

davidylan:
another very stupid, ignorant post. The title says "christian" prophesizes the world to end in Dec 2012 . . . but the bible says - "the day nor the hour KNOWETH NO MAN!"

@Poster,

David has said it all. The bible has clearly stated that God in his wisdom chose to keep the exact time to himself.

This is not the first time someone presumptiously tries to predict the day and time.

While I'll even like it come even before 2012 , the Bible only gives us indicators so we can know when the time is near. No exact time and date.

@Jesoul,

God bless you front and back for that response!

lagerwhenindoubt:
I truly do not understand why the END does not occur today and settle all these arguments once and 4 all.

The "END" will come at the time when God chooses. The scriptures only give us signs to look out for as indications hat it is near.