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Jagoon:
The truth is that people would rather believe their pastors than believe the bible.

Sadly, you're right about this

And later when they're confronted, they'll deny that their allegiance is not to their pastor but to Christ

"Why do you call me 'Lord, Lord,' and not do what I tell you?
- Luke 6:46

Jagoon:
, most people are too lazy to search and study the scriptures and when you point out the scriptural truth to them they would rather not believe it if it is not coming from their so called men of god.

[deep sigh]

Yeah, I've noticed this "laziness" and man-worship. Though sometimes I don't think its mere laziness because people are very happy with the customised crap their men of gawds are feeding them with. Little wonder why they resist anyone who tries to present them with scriptures.

God help us!

yawa-ti-de,

Thank you so much for taking your time to do a review of my sites and offering your surprisingly ver professional advice! Thanks a bunch! I will try to work on the tips you gave and the corrections. Maybe I go just copy your review save am to system for easy access.

Thanks again! God bless!

But talking seriously, this devilish doctrine of "the letter killeth but the spirit gives life" is at the heart of the apostasy we see all around us today.

People keep receiving "rhema" that contradicts the scriptures and don't see nothing wrong with it.

I'll never forget how shocked I was when a "sister" said these very words to me, when I presented her with scriptures that clearly showed that certain beliefs/practices they held on to were wrong. And she was saying it with such confidence, and raising her voice,   

Deception is bad o!

Anyway, human beings have always been known to not love the truth 

Xvalier:
Kindly note that for every scripture or doctrine taught in the Bible, there is only one (1) interpretation

GBAM!!!

Jagoon:
If the church were to adhere by the submissions you made here, how would preachers be able to manipulate scriptures and impose their will on the laity? How would they be able to smuggle tithing into christianity and instituitionalize it as a "compulsary" christian practise. How would they be able to make the establishment of churches a lucraive and profitable business?

I tire o, haba! This ttalks sef! You wan spoil business for boys? Why na?

banom:
It is not in every thing that prayer is neccesary.

I agree!

Abuzola:
*head up* Incase you do not know, muslim section thread is been hijack by the cross worshippers. On thursday God's willing if my demand are not met, this section will blow red and agitated. Nothing will stop me for ravaging the section, let the moderators be my guest, i have long waited for them

for i shall show no mercy, by Allah who created me.

Huh

JIL:
@Abuzola

Who are you threatening you piece of sh*t. I dare you. I will kick your as* from Sokoto through Medina to the mountains of Pakistan so fast that you will think the Dajjal has landed.

[quote author=$osisi link=topic=298909.msg4221381#msg4221381 date=1248145673]and he will be shouting wallahu wakbam all the way[/quote]Ha! Nairalanders!! Una no go kill me oh!!!

Ogaga4Luv:
The girl said to the class, “Have you ever seen our professor's brain?” and nobody answered. Then she asked, “Have you ever felt our professor's brain?” and nobody answered. Finally she asked, “Have you ever heard our professor's brain?” and, like the other times, nobody answered.

She then said, “It is quite obvious that our professor has no brain.”

Arcani:
"I have been married to your sister for over 48 years."

Hello fellow nairalanders!!!

I just thought to ask you guys to do a review of 2 recent sites I just did and post your comments/inputs here. I'm currently looking forward to improving my work as much as possible and know I can use some critique. Show no mercy! Just tell me as it is. The aim is to have my errors pointed out, with advice on how to improve on them.

Here are two of the most recent ones I just did. SHould add more later as soon as I'm done with the ones I'm currently working on:


http://www.westrendltd.com/

http://www.dinresourcecentre.org/ (this one's still not fully completed yet - awaiting content from the client)

thanks guys!

muhsin:
Is this really true? Lets see:

Its said:

"And Jesus said. . .for with God ALL THINGS are possible".(Mathew, 19:26)

But why:

"And the Lord was with Judah; and he drove out the inhabitants of the mountain; but COULD NOT drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had CHARIOTS OF IRON." (jUDGES 1:19).

Isn't this an apparent contradiction? Any explanation? Thanks

Na wah o, you people are still on with this your contradiction thingy abi? If you sincerely want answers/explanations to your supposed "contradictions", then please take your time and go through the material here: http://debate.org.uk/topics/apolog/contrads.htm

Its' tagged "101 cleared contradictions in the bible"

Again, here's the link: http://debate.org.uk/topics/apolog/contrads.htm

ogajim:
LOVE is the greatest and not tithe?
To God be the glory, we are getting somewhere with some folks now. Jesus told us to LOVE one another, these pimps want us to outspend one another.

very funny! 

@KunleOshob,
Thanks for your effort! Its a really nice thread/topic. Whenever I read Paul's charge to the elders at Ephesus (in Acts 20 I think), I keep asking myself where our current crop of "men of gawd" came from. They're certainly nothing like Jesus and his apostles.

Keep it up!

tboyjnr:
What type of greed is this,
I always find it funny when some American idiot is complaining about how fraudulent Nigeria is, I know this country is bad, but i think only Nigerians should complain about Nigeria

True talk

dnex:
There must have been multiple counts of the same crime. So if each count carries a sentence that should run consecutively with the others, then the judge has no personal choice than to add up the terms and the result must have been 150 years. I don't know if there's any country that has a life sentence for fraudulent practices so when the offence is so grievous, the only way to make the criminal pay adequately is by adding up the sentences.

@dnex,

thanks a bunch!

I guess that explains why/how it got up to 150 years. I fear o!

@9ijaprince,

Of course he should pay for his crime. Thats not my point. I'm just appaled at the unbelivable lenght of his jail term - 150 years!

Even a day old infant sentenced to jail for that long willnever make it out alive - thats for sure! Why didn;t they just call it a "life-sentence"? 

Yes o! They should dash the guy green card! E no easy!

Here's the link: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090629/ap_on_bi_ge/us_madoff_scandal

Of course, I'm not against the man getting punishment he deserves for duping people but please, 150 years A 71 year old man 

timmy7:
@mowire
couldnt agree with u more nw that petres church is now d reigning and best non institutionalise christianity with d ideal selling point-no tithe and offering -for him,we can nw av rest. U can even see him(petres) feeling cool with himself-he has won a soul 4 christ nw give it to him -and laughing at every bad comments against the other churches,2bad

@timmy7
Nice one there!

I'm speechless,  

Remember him fondly as one of my childhood heroes.

manmustwac:
God exists in your imagination just like Heaven and Hell. No matter how much u talk u can't provide any physical proof to prove otherwise.

Oh yeah 

Why don't you take your time and explore this site & be sure to register for the free 5-day series and try out the "atheist's riddle (day 4) - http://www.cosmicfingerprints.com/

Everything on it is free - the results of recent scientific discoveries (as well as old ones, which you athiests/agnostics conveniently choose to ignore) in the form of videos, audios and articles etc.

You should've started with one or two of your own na!

davidylan:
therein lies the cornerstone on which islam is founded - the denial of Christ's deity.

GBAM!!!

God bless you!!!

KunleOshob:
;d ;d ;d

This is so so funny!!!!

The Passion of the Christ 

Troy 

24 Seasons 1-7 (Jack Bauer)

ifababa:
HEY KUNLE I AM HAPPY FOR YOUR FREEDOM AT LAST OOOO, YOU'RE NO LONGER A DONOR VICTIM TO JETS AND PRIVATE UNIVERSITIES AGAIN

How in the world did I miss this before 

This is so so funny!!!!

After the fire & brimstone sermon (on the flesh) yesterday, I didn't think, [Just joking]

KunleOshob:
Well i must report myself again to this forum, i was in "church" again yesterday i attended the church petres_007 invited me to last week and i must report again it was really a breath of fresh air. Infact for the first time in a very long time i was actually looking forward to going to church and in attending it i was truely blessed. I was able to learn a lot unlike before when i found a lot of loop holes in the shallow dogmatic sermons which now pervade most of our churches. One of the reasons i wanted to stop going to church was becos i wasn't learning or gaining any thing but with crown bible church it is really different, here the truth is not only being spoken it is being practised. With that i might just rescind on the decision i made at the beginning of this thread and become a regular member of this church. Once again thanx to petres_007 for extending me the invitation.

You're welcome!!

Hope those who were accusing you of "desertion" are happy now.

davidylan:
Gbam!! I couldnt agree more!

Always good to know there are others out there who have the courage to hold on to, and contend for what the poster our pastors/leaders Jesus & the apostles handed down.

ttalks:
Means I might get to meet you then - when I finally find time to get to church.

@ttalks try you hear? E no easy. E don tey small o!

ttalks:
Haba petres, I just dey imitate one American girl wey i see for one old book; Famous five.
She no fit say wonderful.
Na so so "wunnerful" she dey talk.

I am fine as always.
Only work is pressing.

Copy Copy!

Do take care!

Gaminechic:
Believers are the body and thats the short and long of it.

Another breath of fresh air! Thanks a bunch!

ttalks:
Wow,    this is serious branding.The marketing skills displayed are so "wunnerful"  

@ttalks,

Haba! Haba!  

Me I will tell your teasher for you o! You kannot efen spell "wonaful" enh?  

How you dey o?  

sleekmike:
Pleasure go back to your faith and stop spreading this heresy,

@sleekmike,

I really don;t understand this kind of thing o!

My question is, did you read the post at all?

Where did the poster say he has left his faith?

Biblically speaking, what do you think heresy means? Maybe I'll just briefly talk about this heresy issue.

Below is a "dictionary" definition for the word/term "heresy" which I got from Wikitionary.com:

Heresy meant deliberate departure from the accepted doctrines of the church. It was intellectual and spiritual dissent and concerned the beliefs of Christianity, not the morals of its adherents.

Now biblically, heresy simply means/meant beliefs/doctrines that contradicts the scriptures i.e. Anything that Jesus or the apostles didn't teach as christian doctrine. Why is that so hard to understand?

One of the things the poster said in his initial post was that he was not aware of any church in Nigeria today that still taught the things that Jesus and his apostles did. He did not say he was abandoning going to church altogether. But that to the extent that he didn't know of any church that still rightly divided the word of truth, he was going to stop attending church. In my understanding, that was what he meant. And guess what? The bible instructs christians to stay away from anyone or any group who teach(es) anything different from what the apostles handed down. The scriptures command us to "test everything, and hold on to what is good". And I agree with the poster scriptures on this.

Now I know that most christians may not have a problem with that, as they still hold Jesus and the apostles in high regard. Thank God for that at least! Though if truth be told, "christians" would rather hold on to what their GOs or pastors tell them, than what the bible says. But lets assume for now, that christians know that they should hold the word of God as superior to what any man says, be he a GO, reverend, his most eminence, bishop or pastor.

But have you ever taken time to actually compare today's various forms of christianity with the scriptural accounts of what Jesus and his apostles actually taught? Jesus did say it is the truth that sets makes one free. I challenge you to take it upon yourself (in obedience to the scriptures) and do a proper/objective study of the bible for yourself, then compare it with most of our churches' (including your church's) doctrines and practices. God helping you, you'll be shocked at what you'll find.

Secondly, the poster gave tithing as one yardstick for choosing which church he could attend, that he cannot attend any church that still enforced tithing. The reason is very simple. Any church that still enforces tithing (some have now advanced to the level of attaching salvation to it  ), sincerely does not understand Christianity, or is deliberately deceiving and milking people (since they'd rather be spoon fed with poison rather than do their homework, and study the scriptures for themselves)!

You also mentioned that the church is a "hospital for sinners". Good! How many churches today do you know of, that preach against sin and forgiveness of sins and salvation in Jesus Christ? [/b]How many? And this is such an essential part of biblical Christianity! Instead, we have churches today, that are as they say, "seeker-sensitive", "relevant", "motivational".

Let me share something with you. Just yesterday I was in UNILAG campus and was about to take a cab to another part of the campus where I was going to, when a young man walked up to me and handed me a handbill, an invitation to his church. Being a web-savvy person I quickly asked if the church had a website, so I can know more about their beliefs etc. He said they did, and showed me the URL there on the handbill (it was in very small lettering). So I visited their site when I got home. And here's what I found on their about us page:

[b]HERE IT IS!
A church where you can be rest assured of worshipping God with absolute peace of mind. We all agree many people are concerned about “churches” these days.

THINK ABOUT IT!
With regards to many churches…

•Sermons are hardly relevant to your needs in these tense, challenging and fast-paced     times [color=#006600]([size=5pt]I like this one[/size]  )
•Many churches make ‘miraculous' claims that are suspect in origin ([size=5pt]which is true[/size] )
•You wonder why the proliferation of churches is not leading to positive changes in the society ([size=5pt]the gospel wasn't meant to change society, but the souls of men[/size])
•You feel the ‘New Generation' churches seem more interested in your pocket than in you [size=5pt](which is true, and by the way, as if they are not )  [/size]

YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO ENJOY CHURCH!  

CORNER CORNER CHURCH OF CHRIST is a church specifically structured to serve your peculiar needs in these rapidly changing times. The abundant testimonies of "changed lives" ([size=5pt]not the scriptures[/size]  ) in the congregation validate that fact.

At CORNER CORNER CHURCH OF CHRIST , you will enjoy:

•An atmosphere electrified by friendly, vibrant people like you 
•Practical, positive messages that will motivate and encourage you every week 
•Trustworthy friends ready to accept you just as you are 
•Soul-lifting gospel music performed with an unmistakable touch of excellence (hope I don't need a ticket to get in  )
•Raising your young ones up in a Godly manner under the care of our devoted Children's Sunday School Staff

DISCOVER THE DIFFERENCE THIS SUNDAY!
We invite you to worship with us this Sunday (church service time) and experience a new dimension of heaven on earth.
Discover the uniqueness!

Sincerely,
Reverend Lagbaja & Mrs Lagbaja
(Senior Pastors)



Of course, I changed the names of the church, pastors and added a few comments & smilies in between. By the way, I have to commend them for their branding & marketing skills sha. I'm wondering why Jesus and his apostles didn't have these skills 

This is just a mild example of the rampant kind of crossless Christianity being peddled about today. I didn't see anything that looked like the gospel, as presented in the New Testament by the apostles, throughout their site.

I agree with the poster scriptures that churches of today are a marked departure of what Jesus and the apostles taught.   If you disagree, thats fine. Just have the courage to study your bible objectively (setting aside your preconceived notions about christianity and your sentiments).

And I agree with the scriptures' instructions to stay away from such people/groups. 

I think the world bank just handed our folks something to loot! Cos it seems thats the only thing they're good at.

KunleOshob:
, most people that claim to be christians especially in the pentecostal fold have been trained and tutored to always see what the bible is not saying and "hear" what the holy ghost is not saying. I pray that his truth would not depart from us.

osazu:
Let give u this testimony,I was studying bible one day I came across 2pet2:4

4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

Holy spirit said to me from this day have u be lifted above all forms of sicknesses.B/4 then I used to treat all forms sicknesses going one healing home to another.Holy Spirit through revelation gave understnding that what that scripture is saying was just that I ve been lifted above natural effirmitive as long as I abide in Him.

The Holy Spirit ve never said to any one about any scripture "that was not what I intended to say".

@Osazu,

I really wish I had time to take you up on this here fully, but I don't. Have to step out now. But please study your scriptures well. The bible doesn't teach that the christian is lifted above all forms of sickenesses! That is one of the untruths being peddled about today by men like Kenneth Copeland and our own Chris Oyahkilome. But the bible does not teach that christians cannot be sick!

What it teaches is what I'd term, the "hope of the believer". That at the return of Christ, those believers who're now dead, will be raised to life and given celestial bodies (of course alongside those who're alive at the time), which is not prone to sin, sickness or death. And that we will be with him (the Lord) forever. This is the hope of the believer and that it is in this hope that we are saved! You can actually infer from that that wherever you find a so-called believer who does not have this hope in him, his salvation is seriously questionable. Sadly, that's one thing ABSOLUTELY ESSENTIAL part that's missing from too many of the versions of the gospel being preached out there by supposed men of gawd.

Secondly, the scripture you quoted above was actually from 1 Peter 1:4 not 2 Peter. And it says nothing about being "lifted from all forms of sicknesses and diseases". That's actually one of the ways wrong doctrine comes about. By twisting a scripture to say what it doesn't, lifting it out of its proper context etc.

Below is that scripture (RSV), taken from verse 1 down to verse 8, so you can get the full picture and see that verse in its right context. Here:

1 ¶ Simeon Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who have obtained a faith of equal standing with ours in the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ:

2 May grace and peace be multiplied to you in the knowledge of God and of Jesus our Lord.

3 His divine power has granted to us all things that pertain to life and godliness, through the knowledge of him who called us to his own glory and excellence,

4 by which he has granted to us his precious and very great promises, that through these you may escape from the corruption that is in the world because of passion, and become partakers of the divine nature.

5 ¶ For this very reason make every effort to supplement your faith with virtue, and virtue with knowledge,

6 and knowledge with self-control, and self-control with steadfastness, and steadfastness with godliness,

7 and godliness with brotherly affection, and brotherly affection with love.

8 For if these things are yours and abound, they keep you from being ineffective or unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.

In the simplest way I can put it now for time's sake, its talking about those in Christ have escaped the corruption (sin) in the world. The passage is about in Christ. Not about not being immune to sickness. You can see clearly what Peter was admonishing his readers about. And you can clearly see exactly what kind of "fruits" he was referring to. Thank God he mentioned them.

One of the proper ways of arriving of the meaning of a verse/passage of scripture (in addition to making sure you're reading it in its proper context like I've demonstrated above) is to compare it with other scriptures. Below is a passage from 1 John 2: 15-17 (BBE) that corroborates what Peter said here:

15 Have no love for the world or for the things which are in the world. If any man has love for the world, the love of the Father is not in him.

16 Because everything in the world, the desire of the flesh, the desire of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father but of the world.

17 And the world and its desires is coming to an end: but he who does God's pleasure is living for ever.

And about God speaking to you, Hmm , Well at the very least, please know that most of the confusion and error in the Church today is traceable to this. "God" telling this person this, and then telling the other person that.

As a christian, you ought to hold God's rightly divided word of truth far above any voice(s) you may hear.

I think I've tried o.

Have to go out now. Take care.