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@poster,

Try studying your bible properly. You should find that the new covenant in which we now live (or should now live, since some people obviously prefer the old one, which Jesus came to set us free from) is based on God's grace and not works! All those offerings and seeds etc. are not required of Christians!

Most of the men who masquerade as men of god don't even know their left from their right (or maybe they do, but deliberately choose to deceive people since they won't study their bibles for themselves but rely on "every word that comes out of the mouth of the man of god".

Please study your bible. Please. Most of your questions should be answered.

Bobbyaf:
What does the absence of the sun on the first day of creation have to do with each day being 24 hours long? The sun didn't make the day. God did. [/b]The sun as an created entity itself was given to help us measure the day, among its varied purposes.

[b]GBAM! 

[quote author=tpia. link=topic=324752.msg4578478#msg4578478 date=1253428900]Genesis 1

1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.

3 And God said, "Let there be light," and there was light.

4 God saw that the[b] light[/b] was good, and He separated the light from the darkness.

5 God called the light "day," and the darkness he called "night." And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day



I dont know what your understanding of[b] light[/b] is?

Neither am I sure of your comprehension skills?[/quote]Another resounding GBAM!

dadde:
He loved older women when he was yound and craves for younger girls wen he was old.

he is indeed a cross over prophet.

[quote author=the_seeker link=topic=159306.msg4564105#msg4564105 date=1253215481]THE POWER OF TITHE!
Pastors always preach that the old testament and the law is an old convenant and is outdated.
i was just wondering why paying tithe was not "hung on the cross" like the laws of old
just wondering![/quote]

davidylan:
In short without the bible islam would never have progressed beyond mohammad's fantasies.

Hmm, True words!

Abuzola:
@- is that the verse that talked of Prophet muhammad ? What you quote is entirely different thing

No its directly related to the issue you raised. You (the poster actually) quoted Moses saying to the Israelites that God will raise up a Prophet like himself from among them. You (abi na the poster again) said that this meant from Abraham's descendants, so I quoted the passage from Genesis 17 to show that God wasnt confused as to which of Abraham's descendants he was going to establish his covenant with, since you guys claim muhammad descended from Ishmael.

davidylan:
Isnt it funny that NOWHERE in  the quran does it mention allah giving ishmael the covenant? 

The funny thing is THEY CANT PROVE THIS EITHER . . . it is a false claim. There is NO genealogy in the quran confirming this.

Chei! I just found some materials online about this. [b]This is serious o! [/b]And to think, that Muhammad forgot to include it in the Koran? Unbelievable! 

One thing I still can't understand though. And I may probably need Abuzola and co's help on this one - Why in the world are you muslims trying to smuggle your prophet into the Bible? Why? The same bible bible you claim to be corrupt?

You know, I just found an article to that effect online, written by a muslim "scholar". I didn't even go half-way through before getting tired of the crap! The thing smacked of desperation! Why're they trying to smuggle the guy in? How come its this important to them and it wasn't for muhamamad (since he forgot to include it in their book)?

olaleo:
U 're mannerless and nothing but an insane human being, if you are angry go and commit suicide.

@Abuzola, I would urge u to just ignore this mad animal.

Temper,  Temper,  temper,   

The thing dey vex you no be small abi?? No be today 

Seriously, why don't you prove me wrong by posting intelligently instead of ranting like you've done? You've only shed more light on how terribly skewed you guys' reasoning/logic is. 

@Abuzola,

I've done my research on Abraham's offspring and its crystal-clear that in terms of God's covenant/plans&purposes Ishmael was never in the picture! And I say this because to the best of my knowledge, Islamic traditions have it that Muhammad is a descendant of Abraham by Ishmael.

But God was very specific about which of Abraham's offspring he was going to establish his covenant with, even before Isaac was born! Take a look at this passage from Genesis 17:

15 ¶ And God said to Abraham, "As for Sarai your wife, you shall not call her name Sarai, but Sarah shall be her name.

16 I will bless her, and moreover I will give you a son by her; I will bless her, and she shall be a mother of nations; kings of peoples shall come from her."

17 Then Abraham fell on his face and laughed, and said to himself, "Shall a child be born to a man who is a hundred years old? Shall Sarah, who is ninety years old, bear a child?"

18 And Abraham said to God, "O that Ishmael might live in thy sight!"

19 God said, "No, but Sarah your wife shall bear you a son, and you shall call his name Isaac. I will establish my covenant with him as an everlasting covenant for his descendants after him.

20 As for Ishmael, I have heard you; behold, I will bless him and make him fruitful and multiply him exceedingly; he shall be the father of twelve princes, and I will make him a great nation.

21 But I will establish my covenant with Isaac, whom Sarah shall bear to you at this season next year."


Please read the passage again and again and let it sink in. I'm not sure what you guys are up to these days, trying so hard to  smuggle Muhammad into the same bible you people claim has been corrupted. 

Abuzola:
@jesu, you better stop lying on your pentecostal mosque, church i mean, they all gather the money to organise fake miracle, if you don't know now you know

Ehen! Abuzola don show!

JeSoul:
^^^ yes yes Abuzola, we have noticed you and your point. Thank you. Now run back along to your islamic section.

Girl, that was cold you know

KunleOshob:
what are you looking for on this christian thread again at least we know money collected in mosques is being used to finance terrorism all over the world.

Chei! This one na finishing move o!

Abuzola:
Distinct, God will help you as you say the truth no matter how the enemy hate it

which crappy truth is dat eh?

JeSoul:
. . . at least this is where biblically speaking such monies are supposed to go.

em, but we know thats usually not (only) where these monies go, especially in the case of our penterascal churches

I mean, you forgot to mention that the newly acquired tear-rubber private jet needs to be fueled etc.

Jagoon:
Well it depends on the church. Some send it up to God in heaven hence their need of private jets to personally deliver it.

You got me rolling all over the floor with this one!

DISTINCT89:
According to cahrpter in the Holy Qur'an it was gather that Jesus Christ (Prophet Isa) also perform Solat Allah. Prophet Isa is one of the messanger of Allah (S.A.W.), although he doesn't ve a father because he is born hrough miracle i.e Holy spirit impregnated her Mother Mariam.

Prophet in his Life time is a miraculous person, He perform Miracle for his people, due to this he was been envied by some unbeleivers. It was in old testament Jesus perform Ablution, prayed and bowed for Allah.

So my their Muslim and Christian pple on Nairaland I will like you to join my quote.

@DISTINCT89,

I just saw your brother in allah's thread were he claimed that Moses was referring to Muhammed when he told the Israleites that God was going to send someone special among them, "from among them". I stated there (to him) what I'm about to say here now, to you - YOU NEED HELP! FAST!! But e be like say I no go fit foot the bill as una don dey plenty now o,   

And em,  @ david and mazaje,  need I remind you guys that this the religion section and not the jokes section? 

Haksalam:
This may sound akward but it's the truth. The bible talked about the coming of Muhammad (SAW). In Deut. 18:18, GOD saiod to Moses,
"I will raise them up a prophet from AMONG THEIR BRETHREN , LIKE UNTO THEE, and i will PUT MY WORDS INTO HIS MOUTH, and he shall speak unto them ALL THAT I SHALL COMMAND HIM. A lot of christians believe that the said prophet is Jesus but he's not. The promised prophet is the holy prophet of Islam (SAW). To prove this, let us examine the verse.
1. LIKE UNTO THEE- Christian believe that Jesus is the son of God and @ the same time he is God. Wll, the bible said that the promised man is a prophet. Another proof is that Moses and Muhammad did some thing that Jesus did not do; marrying, normal birth (with fathers), they were both law-givers while Jesus only came to fulfil the law etc.

2. AMONG THEIR BRETHREN- Abraham gave birth to Isaac & Ishmael but becauseof the jealousy of Sarah, Abraham sent Hagar away to Paran. Muhammad later turned out to be a descendant of Ishmael & Isaac gave birth to Jacob who later became the father of Israel. This makes Muhammad (SAW) a descendant of Abraham.
3. PUT MY WORDS INTO HIS MOUTH- Everytime Muhammad(SAW) received a revelation, he said it as it is being dictated by angel Gabriel. Moreso, he was not learned.
4. ALL THAT I SHALL COMMAND HIM- Every chapters in the Holy Quran starts in the name of Allah (God).
See how this description fits Muhammad.
Furthermore, Isaiah 29:12, it is written ", and the book is delivered to him that is not learned". We all know that Muhammad was not learned, so who is the 'him' in that verse.

Mr. Poster,

Moses did talk about the person God was going to the Israleites, from among their own brethren. This simply meant the person was going to be a jew like them (the Israelites he was addressing) not an Ishmaelite.

Still wondering how you arrived at your stupid conclusion that Moses was referring to Muhammed, I think I need to tell you what most people here have been saying indirectly in very plain terms - you need help! And I seriously don't mind footing the bill.

Just when I thought Abuzola was one of a kind,

What rubbish!

chukwudi44:
Azubola please where in my quote did I say the bible was corrupted.

Bros e be like say you never understand the mallam, he's so talented, he can read things backwards or upside down.I'm just not sure which of the two he did with your post.

Abuzola:
@petres, have you now seen why your bible is corrupt  in the above quote by chukwudi

Abuzola,

for the umpteenth time, the bible hasn't been corrupted! And chukwudi's post clearly says that. Or did you read it backwards??

tsalam:
@petras the problem with christian is they dont strive for knowledge ask your self these question with the bad press islam has in the west it is the fastest growing religion there why christianity is only triving in africa because of poverty and time will tell if prophet muhammed is not real why is the quranic account of the second coming of jesus same with that of jehovah witness agrue with a witnesss all your christianity fake idealogies will be thrown in the mud when you find out that christmas and easter are pagan ceremonies and other bullshit that make up of your so called faith

tsalam,

em,  what has Islam being the "fastest growing religion" got to do with truth? 

I know Christmas and Easter have pagan origins but how does that affect Christianity itself? I admit that one of the problems with most christians is how they invent and propagate unbiblical/unchristian ideas but em,  how's that your problem?? 

@chukwudi44,

Thanks for your informative post!

@tsalam,

I really wouldn't mind shedding some light on the council of nicaea issue but with the level of understanding you and abuzola (a living legend on NL, in this regard) have shown,  it'll be a pure waste of time. Sorry 

tsalam:
the christian are blindfolded from knowledge the jews know that mohammed is coming the first person to acknowledge that was the prophet wife uncle who is a christian priest and the jewish rabi in medina so you that knows nothing is talking when your noble predessor accepted allah s messenger

what the ??

Abuzola:
have you heard of constantine and the council of Nicaea ?

Wake up and do research instead of allowing your pastor to feed you

Sure I know about the Constantine and the council of Nicaea! And I can assure you, you have no idea what the council of Nicaea was about.

And besides, as long as the truth of the gospel (e.g. Jesus' divinity) was concerned, the council of Nicaea was completely irrelevant!

Abuzola:
yea too bad the bible is been reviewed and edited every decade, if not you would have been guided

SEE HOW GOD WAS ANGRY AT WHAT YOUR FORE FORE PASTORS DID TO HIS SCRIPIURE

QURAN 5;44. Verily, We did send down the Taurat (Torah) [to Musa (Moses)], therein was guidance and light, by which the Prophets, who submitted themselves to Allah's Will, judged the Jews. And the rabbis and the priests [too judged the Jews by the Taurat (Torah) after those Prophets] for to them was entrusted the protection of Allah's Book, and they were witnesses thereto. Therefore fear not men but fear Me (O christians and jews) and sell not My Verses for a miserable price. And whosoever does not judge by what Allah has revealed, such are the Kafirun (i.e. disbelievers - of a lesser degree as they do not act on Allah's Laws ).

There is absolutely no evidence that the bible has been revised, edited, or tampered with in any systematic manner! Any unbiased ancient document scholar will agree that the Bible has been remarkably well-preserved over the centuries. So whats your point?? if the bible has been corrupted was it before or after your "allah" pointed christians and jews to it?

All you've said is pointless  

Abuzola:
sahih bukhari
Volume 1, Book 1, Number 3:

Narrated 'Aisha:

(the mother of the faithful believers) The commencement of the Divine Inspiration to Allah's Apostle was in the form of good dreams which came true like bright day light, and then the love of seclusion was bestowed upon him. He used to go in seclusion in the cave of Hira where he used to worship (Allah alone) continuously for many days before his desire to see his family. He used to take with him the journey food for the stay and then come back to (his wife) Khadija to take his food like-wise again till suddenly the Truth descended upon him while he was in the cave of Hira. The angel came to him and asked him to read. The Prophet replied, "I do not know how to read.

The Prophet added, "The angel caught me (forcefully) and pressed me so hard that I could not bear it any more. He then released me and again asked me to read and I replied, 'I do not know how to read.' Thereupon he caught me again and pressed me a second time till I could not bear it any more. He then released me and again asked me to read but again I replied, 'I do not know how to read (or what shall I read)?' Thereupon he caught me for the third time and pressed me, and then released me and said, 'Read in the name of your Lord, who has created (all that exists) has created man from a clot. Read! And your Lord is the Most Generous." (96.1, 96.2, 96.3) Then Allah's Apostle returned with the Inspiration and with his heart beating severely. Then he went to Khadija bint Khuwailid and said, "Cover me! Cover me!" They covered him till his fear was over and after that he told her everything that had happened and said, "I fear that something may happen to me." Khadija replied, "Never! By Allah, Allah will never disgrace you. You keep good relations with your Kith and kin, help the poor and the destitute, serve your guests generously and assist the deserving calamity-afflicted ones."

Khadija then accompanied him to her cousin Waraqa bin Naufal bin Asad bin 'Abdul 'Uzza, who, during the PreIslamic Period became a Christian and used to write the writing with Hebrew letters. He would write from the Gospel in Hebrew as much as Allah wished him to write. He was an old man and had lost his eyesight. Khadija said to Waraqa, "Listen to the story of your nephew, O my cousin!" Waraqa asked, "O my nephew! What have you seen?" Allah's Apostle described whatever he had seen. Waraqa said, "This is the same one who keeps the secrets (angel Gabriel) whom Allah had sent to Moses. I wish I were young and could live up to the time when your people would turn you out." Allah's Apostle asked, "Will they drive me out?" Waraqa replied in the affirmative and said, "Anyone (man) who came with something similar to what you have brought was treated with hostility; and if I should remain alive till the day when you will be turned out then I would support you strongly." But after a few days Waraqa died and the Divine Inspiration was also paused for a while.




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Isaiah
11 And the vision of all this has become to you like the words of a book that is sealed. When men give it to one who can read, saying, "Read this," he says, "I cannot, for it is sealed."

12 And when they give the book to one who cannot read, saying, "Read this," he says, "I cannot read."

Abuzola,

I think you forgot to explain the connection between mohammed and Isaiah 29:12

Abuzola:
QURAN 5;68.
Say (O Muhammad ) "O people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians)! You have nothing (as regards guidance) till you[b] act according to the Taurât (Torah), the Injeel (Gospel), and what has (now) been sent down to you from your Lord (the Qur'ân).[/b]" Verily, that which has been sent down to you (Muhammad ) from your Lord increases in many of them their obstinate rebellion and disbelief. So be not sorrowful over the people who disbelieve.

How can one "act according to" the bible and koran which are completely incompatible??

Haksalam:
Read Isaiah 29:12.

@HakSalam,

Here's Isaiah 29:12 in its proper context. I wanted to start from verse of 1 but just to cut it short I started from 7. I've also emboldened verse 12, which you said talks about Mohammed:

7 And the multitude of all the nations that fight against Ariel, all that fight against her and her stronghold and distress her, shall be like a dream, a vision of the night.

8 As when a hungry man dreams he is eating and awakes with his hunger not satisfied, or as when a thirsty man dreams he is drinking and awakes faint, with his thirst not quenched, so shall the multitude of all the nations be that fight against Mount Zion.

9 ¶ Stupefy yourselves and be in a stupor, blind yourselves and be blind! Be drunk, but not with wine; stagger, but not with strong drink!

10 For the LORD has poured out upon you a spirit of deep sleep, and has closed your eyes, the prophets, and covered your heads, the seers.

11 And the vision of all this has become to you like the words of a book that is sealed. When men give it to one who can read, saying, "Read this," he says, "I cannot, for it is sealed."

12 And when they give the book to one who cannot read, saying, "Read this," he says, "I cannot read."

13 And the Lord said: "Because this people draw near with their mouth and honor me with their lips, while their hearts are far from me, and their fear of me is a commandment of men learned by rote;

14 therefore, behold, I will again do marvelous things with this people, wonderful and marvelous; and the wisdom of their wise men shall perish, and the discernment of their discerning men shall be hid."

15 Woe to those who hide deep from the LORD their counsel, whose deeds are in the dark, and who say, "Who sees us? Who knows us?"


How does that speak of the coming of mohammed?

I do hope its not the effect of the fast thats getting to you sha??  

Furthermore, I think the very idea of a pastor claiming the "Holy Spirit" teaches him all he needs to know and uses that to justify his ignorance of the scriptures if false. The Holy Spirit no longer gives anyone any new revelation other than what's been revealed by the prophets and ultimately, by God's son (Hebrews 1:2) - and by extension, the apostles. Everybody else (ministers) should defer to what was laid down by them.

Here's a clear example of what our ministers should be doing, rather than waiting on some voice to speak to them:

Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the
word of truth. 2 Timothy 2:15

Of course ministers should have a thorough knowledge of the scriptures (as if they have an alternative ) but I don't think it has to be something formal.

KunleOshob:
1 Peter 5:2-3:
2 Care for the flock that God has entrusted to you. Watch over it willingly, not grudgingly not for what you will get out of it, but because you are eager to serve God. 3 Don’t lord it over the people assigned to your care, but lead them by your own good example.

Titus 1:11:
11 They must be silenced, because they are turning whole families away from the truth by their false teaching. And they do it only for money.

That clearly describes these charlatans.

[quote author=Tudór link=topic=320552.msg4501294#msg4501294 date=1252392254]This is really becoming an annoying problem. . . . Worst is the bainwashed congregation fail to see these two-kobo bastard pastors for the crooks they are.

It's shameless kleptomaniacs like idahosa, oyedepo, Adeboye and co that pioneered this holy crime business. T[b]he early nigerian church was all about righteousness, holiness and charity[/b] but when these hungry fools appeared on scene with their "word of faith" crap it became money! money! money!

The government had better do something about this growing trend. Advance fee fraud has graduated into something hollier. . . It was a good first step banning fake and staged miracles on TV by charlatans like pastor chris. We just hope to see more action.[/quote]Quite true.

KunleOshob:
You that you are living in darkness is still talking, at least the christians have hope as they have seen the light and they just need to study the scriptures better so they don't get mis-lead. Your own case is really pathetic, the only compesation is that you might have seven virgin men waiting for you in hell to do their stuff.

   

But em, come to think of it, I think its not fair o! Haba! Shebi they said its 72 virgins waiting for the guys na, why is it only 7 for the women? DIs is not fair fear at all o.  

KunleOshob:
You that you are living in darkness is still talking, at least the christians have hope as they have seen the light and they just need to study the scriptures better so they don't get mis-lead. Your own case is really pathetic, the only compesation is that you might have seven virgin men waiting for you in hell to do their stuff.

But em, come to think of it, I think its not fair o! Haba! Shebi they said its 72 virgins waiting for the guys na, why is it only 7 for the women? DIs is not fair fear at all o.