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Andre Uweh:
Isiekenesi is also called Isieke and pronounced as Iseke. Hence Iseke could be Essaka.
The Delta Igbo one looks credible as well but researchers are needed to solve this issue.

Right, but the Benin reference is very unambiguous so unless you know of a place in Imo that was ever under Benin, he would almost certainly have been describing a Delta Igbo village.

My reference to him known as being "not exactly clean" has to do with the whole "escaping from Nigeria in 1999 after being part of a group stealing oil" affair, not with this incident. I don't think he's involved in this incident because he doesn't really have a motive. Just clarifying.

[quote author=The Voice of Objectivity on Nairaland]He seems pretty consistent actually. I suspect that you're just trying to pick a fight, though. Should be entertaining. [/quote]

Andre Uweh:
Isiekenesi in Imo state. Olaudah wrote that he came from Essaka. Though some say he is Delta Igbo from Ishaka in Ukwuani area.

What I mean is that the reference he made with regard to the "King of Benin" and the tributary status of his village to the king of Benin precludes an Imo state location and suggests a Delta Igbo location. Also, Isiekenesi sounds nothing like Essaka.

Oh, well I guess that that does indeed show that:


[quote author=EzeUche_ link=topic=612291.msg7801753#msg7801753 date=1298664267]This quote from the comments sections sums up why people should not read this garbage.


MrSquiggles | Feb 25, 2011 07:24 AM  ET

Buiter has missed the most important component. There are impediments to growth (for all countries) resulting from the bad ethics and morals of the citizens, which show up in corruption, political problems, dysfunctional institutions, monopolies, theft, violence, wars, lack of human rights, class (caste) societies, lack of property rights, tribal behavior, etc. Perhaps economists should use a measure of ethical and moral development in assessing potential growth.[/quote]has been true for Nigeria for over a decade.

Once again, I'll just have to repeat that with no other information to go on, it's just as likely that they never even considered those two companies (Innoson, Annamco) out of genuine ignorance of their scope and capability as it is that they deliberately snubbed them. I think the former is somewhat more likely, but it does suggest that they don't understand the potential or capabilities of Nigerians.

Kobojunkie:
evidence of what?

Of Nigeria being on such lists for over a decade now.

buzugee:
bruv ? its not risky at all. they all do it. all the rich wealthy people do shady deals to stay on top. like chris rock said, behind every great wealth is a big crime. the only reason he got caught is because he did not cover the bases well. the kennedys and all the rich american families all sell drugs and bootleg alcohol. ITS THE AMERICAN WAY.

Well I think that it is risky, actually. And he might be involved or have been involved in shady oil deals, but that's quite a stretch away from going directly into gold smuggling.


But once again, there's no way to know at the present moment. I'm just assuming. Either one of us could be right on this one.

fstranger3:
Ibo, Edo and Hausa people all deriding a successful Yoruba man.


Hmmmmmmmmmmmm

lol


Tribal derailing isn't going to change the facts of the story.


And where did I deride him? He isn't exactly clean going from what's known about him.

Kobojunkie:
@POster, I believe Nigeria has been on similar lists for well over a decade now.

lol, evidence?

[quote author=EzeUche_ link=topic=612291.msg7801714#msg7801714 date=1298663677]Mongolia has a lot of mineral wealth and trade with China will help improve the Mongolian economy.

Bangladesh has a LARGE population for a country its size and can be used for labor.

Iraq has oil. . .[/quote]Ah, I see. Thanks.

Yeah, but there's no evidence that he's sinking from the top.


It's also too risky an operation after being appointed to a high-profile position in the Obama administration. Think about it.

Eziachi:
Olaudah Equiano- Sailor, Slave Trade Abolishonist, Author

I'm pretty sure that the geographical area that that guy claimed could not have been in Imo state. Just pointing that out.

What's going on in Mongolia, Bangladesh, and Iraq?


Anyone know?

buzugee:
you dont think kase is involved ? come on now. dude is diversifying his portfolio from bunkering oil to smuggling gems. mafia guy if i ever saw one

Yeah, you're right.

He could easily be involved. He's not exactly clean, after all.



It's just that doing it after you're already a billionaire makes no sense to me. That's why I think he wasn't in on it.

This is why you don't mix business with family. They think that because they're related to you, you'll have no problem with whatever they do.


Imagine giving your brother a private jet, and then . . . .

PStylish:
@PHYSICS
There are indigenous Yorubas in Edo state. You cant wish that away. Am sorry. Infact, this so called Edo and Delat state used to be part of the great Western Region, weren't they.Some Yoruba folks were unlucky to have found themselves in Edo state after successive creation of states. They are however, very few. Akokos are known to come from Ondo state. There are 4 Akoko local govts in Ondo state. And does Akoko have any Edo interpretation. NO!!! But in Yoruba, Akoko means woodpecker (a bird). Woodpeckers were so many in very ancient Akoko land. Hence, the name. There is this village in Akoko called Ikakumo. It is seperated by a river with the one side in Ondo and the other side in Edo. So the Edo side are no longer Yorubas abi? Just because they are in Edo state.
Dele Abiodun the musician has had his state of origin change times without number as result of state creation. Now he is from Edo state. But he is Yoruba!!!
Also, the Yorubas in Edo may have a second dialect similar to any Edo language but that doesnt stop them from being Yorubas. Just like in Ondo state, most villages have their own unique non - Yoruba like dialects especially in Akoko. Yet they are still Yoruba.

Lest  I forget, remember Aganga is not the same as Agangan (Bini name). Ikale/Ilajes also bear the name. Similar to Agagu.But by and large, Olusegun Olutoyin Aganga is Yoruba. You can ask him.

You're totally ignorant, man.

1. I never said Edo state was not part of the Western region. The very fact that they were in an ~80% Yoruba region only further reinforces my point about cultural appropriation, and adoption.
2. I never said that there are not a few indigenous Yorubas in Edo state; rather I corrected some guy who assumed, like you, that Akoko-Edos were Yoruba and even more remarkably, claimed that they made up 5-10% of Edo state (nonsense). Akoko-Edo are neither Yoruba nor do they make up 5-10% of Edo state.
3. Akoko-Edo is NOT the same as Akokos in Ondo state. Please understand this. Igarra, Uneme, Ikpeshi, etc., are not Yorubas; how hard is that to get? Akoko-Edo's don't "come from" Ondo state. The actual Akoko's in Ondo state are different, and they are a distinct group. Their original, non-Yoruba languages are distinct even from Yoruba although linguistically related. Akoko Edo are labeled as such because they have similarities in their Edoid languages with the Akokoid languages.

http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:Q8YDmZ_J2MIJ:www.rogerblench.info/Language%2520data/Niger-Congo/Benue%2520Congo%2520West/Akokoid/Comparative%2520Akokoid.pdf+akokoid&hl=en&gl=us&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESjT18PxFJ3GImaHztYSQpQgcaUOPRAVhq1UIzUp7IqrOy3p01RHZmkYan23AHv5zIPRHPRETf0kBsZI_8PcW4dECAlb4TLVmHwiVVLHYZyI01BrWwTRXPwOcCNubnwArn9gtihh&sig=AHIEtbS0w8Mh13vfB2uOkaJdmRID4fYmiA&pli=1

http://books.google.com/books?id=ARo7vPXOhvkC&pg=PA82&dq=akokoid&hl=en&ei=UvRnTeaqIc_TgAfSl-DLCg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CCgQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=akokoid&f=false

^^^^^

Also, please read p. 84 & 85.


4. How would you know what interpretation "Akoko" would or would not have in all Edo languages? Silly.

5. Aganga is not Bini and I never claimed that he was.  The man's origins are not clear. Some sources say he is from Sabongida Ora, which is in Owan West LGA of Edo state (not a Bini LGA) and some sources state that he's from Ekiti, whereas others claim that he's from one of the Etsako LGAs and grew up in Ekiti. (It's not clear because even if he were from Owan or Etsako, some other Edos outside of Akoko-Edo also take Yoruba names). You must be one of those people who thinks Binis are the only people in Edo state.  I listed Aganga alongside other non-Binis and you come here and start arguing about him not being Bini when I never claimed that he was Bini. If you've asked him and he's said that he is Yoruba then that does clear things up.

6. "Yorubas in Edo may have a second dialect similar to any Edo language" is just a bizarre claim and  I wonder how you cooked it up. They have their main, original languages, and then they have Yoruba, which they've adopted for both daily use and in personal names in the exact same way non-Hausa northerners have adopted Hausa. They also wouldn't just adopt "any Edo language" That doesn't make even a bit of sense. These are the languages in Akoko-Edo:

http://www.uiowa.edu/intlinet/unijos/nigonnet/nlp/edo.htm

Also,

http://books.google.com/books?id=kKhzAAAAMAAJ&q=akoko+edo&dq=akoko+edo&hl=en&ei=T_dnTdrsHYnKgQf1_5nLCg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=2&ved=0CCwQ6AEwAQ

^^

Get that book and find out where in there the author says his people are Yorubas and originally spoke Yoruba and then adopted some "second dialect" of some arbitrary Edo language and then your claims might be tenable then. Find any Igarra that do the same, also.

7. It's actually the case that Edo and Delta found themselves unlucky to have been in the so-called Western region when it was created in 1939, because Edo and Delta state are more or less the equivalent of Benin and Warri provinces (with some slight alterations), which preceded the Western region.

Andre Uweh:
@Physis
You listed only 8 LGA's of Delta Igbo when they are actually 9. Ukwuani LGA was missing from your list. Add it up to your excellent work earlier.

Yeah, my mistake.


Adding that brings the 2006 percentage of Delta Igbo from 27% to 29.9%. And of course there are some Igbos in Delta state outside of those LGA's, so definitely over 30%.

TewMuch:


Now for the Ijaw's to deal with Edo people. Today na SOS, tomorrow na kidnap.

*yawn*


nah

TewMuch:
The way you have convinced yourself in your mind that they are not Yoruba, is the way i dont get your point. Look, for anyone to assume any name of any tribe a progenitor must have been Yoruba. Igarra and Yoruba people have mixed heavily. I am sure not everyone in Akoko-Edo  are Yoruba, but most are. You can even see it in their marriage rites. No matter how you try to explain it away, people familiar with their culture can pick up on the obvious details. There is no need to keep arguing with you, end of. I have made my point. The craziest thing you could suggest is that a Name does not prove identity. I have nothing to gain by distorting any fact or history. Afterall Akoko-Edo people have assimilated, and are not causing any discord.

You're causing discord by distorting reality, despite the unalterable facts you've been confronted with and you're trying to argue it down others throats that your distortions are the truth. Explain all those very very non-Yoruba names in Akoko-Edo and explain the Edoid characteristics of their indigenous languages and then I'll believe that you don't just like to make up stuff.



(Note: The absolute worst thing you could have done for your argument was claim that last name of a person was in all always indicative of their original ethnic descent. Tell that to Ibrahim Babangida, a Gwari man whose last name is pure Hausa. Tell that to Theophilus Danjuma, a Jukun man with a pure Hausa last name. . . and there are so many other examples.)

No matter how many stories you concoct, Akoko-Edos are not ethnic Yorubas.


I have made my point; please desist from further distortions.

TewMuch:
Okay, whatever you say Mr. Physics, but this one is past your area of expertise. How will someone's parents take a Yoruba name as their last name. Your arguments dont make any sense at all. One of their progenitors has to have been Yoruba. The truth is glaring but you refuse to accept. Besides you nor I can speak for them. But a group of people that continuously give themselves names unique to their surrounding area's should be enough to tell you something. The truth is in the pudding.

How are you not getting this?

They are NOT viewing the use of those names as a proclamation of ethnic identity. If I adopt a 100% Hausa first and last name, how does that make me ethnically Hausa? How does that mean that my children will be ethnically Hausa?

As I said before, Igarras using Yoruba names or other Akoko-Edos taking names from the language that they are using proves nothing about their actual descent. They didn't move there from Ife or Oyo or or wherever in Yorubaland, so stop distorting the truth. I already gave you a quote from someone actually from there disproving your assertion and I already pointed out that many Akoko-Edo have names unique to their own groups, in addition to Yoruba names or instead of Yoruba names, that real Yorubas never wear, so why do you persist with this made-up claim?

TewMuch:
So i can say being called Osas doesnt ethnically make you Edo or Bini? Doesnt make sense at all. Sophie's last name still remains Oluwole, doesnt it? If it was an isolated case where someone is named after a friend, then i understand. But a case where people grouped together in one area have the same naming patterns, then you should understand the difference. It is too common in Akoko-edo, and Yoruba's always maintain an aspect of their cultural identity. Your name is your identity and it points to your origin especially in a country of tribes that have specific names. Dont try to trip over yourself. Fact is they are Yoruba descendants and ethnically Yoruba. And there is really no such thing as Edo. If they are not Yoruba then what are they? Bini? Afemai? Estako? Esan? They must belong to an existing group. If you can tell me the group they belong to, then you have an argument.

What are you talking about? Does the name Osewa indicate Yoruba descent or Edo descent?

Sophie's last name was given to her by her parents because they were culturally Yorubafied Ondo state people. It was not her parents' last name.

And in Akoko-Edo the specific ethnic groups are not "Yoruba descendants" Akoko-Edo is a blanket ethnic term to group together the groups there and the LGA was named after the ethnic term.

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-509304.0.html#msg6712837

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-509304.32.html#msg6717915

^^^^

Educate yourself. Those people in Edo state with Yoruba names that aren't actual Yorubas don't claim it because they know who they are. Taking cultural similarity and appropriation to mean descent is simply incorrect.

TewMuch:
Says you. what does oluwole mean in Bini, translate all these names in bini for us.lol. IF they are not ethnically Yoruba why do they keep giving generation after generation Yoruba names? No matter how you try to explain it  away, naming has a lot to do with culture, tradition and ethnicity. Dont be scared, they are not threatening you in anyway. Yoruba and Edo have coexisted for 100's of years.

Scared of what? I'm just tired of all the claiming. As I said before, they probably don't view giving these names as a proclamation of Yoruba ethnic identity the way you want to interpret it. They still proudly identify as their specific ethnic group. You're taking cultural similarity to mean ethnicity.

Igarra in Akoko-Edo, for example, very reasonably claim descent from Igalas and the Idah kingdom that was nearby them and have links across states into Kogi. But Igala is a linguistically close language to Yoruba and at one time it was even classified as one of the "Yoruboid" languages! So when these Igarra people start naming themselves Igarra/Igala names, are you going to claim they're naming themselves Yoruba names to proclaim their Yorubaness?   Igarra and Igala are distinct from Yoruba, considering the way ethnic groups are currently classified, so don't take their similarity with Yoruba as evidence of descent from you guys or concoct stories of them moving in from Ife or Oyo or some place hundreds of years ago when such an event never happened. That's all I want to clarify.  

And yes, Yoruba and Edo have coexisted for 100's of years, but  nevertheless, Olusegun Aganga is not Yoruba, Dele Momodu is not Yoruba, Dele Giwa was not Yoruba, etc., etc., it goes on and on, and Afemai in general are not Yoruba. If you don't point out the false claiming, then people will just start taking cultural appropriation or cultural fusion with ethnic identity.

TewMuch:
Says you. what does oluwole mean in Bini, translate all these names in bini for us.lol.

Did I say it meant anything in Bini?

Sophie Oluwole is an Edo woman from Ondo state. Her parents gave her a Yoruba name and gave her siblings Edo names.


Akoko-Edo people giving themselves Yoruba names doesn't even mean that they're actually in the same group as the Yoruba groups that are really classified as Yoruba.

TewMuch:
Akoko- Edo is for the most part Yoruba.Hard for you to believe. Those people have been living there for years, that is why they have Yoruba names. Benin and Edo people will never bear Yoruba names. Living in a place for 100's of years does not all of a sudden make you Edo. Yoruba's just dont shout like Igbo's when they populate a place. They respect the owners of the place.

You're just not getting it are you? They are not Yoruba. They are not in Afenifere, not in OPC, etc. etc. etc. because they know who they are. Their languages are not classified with Yoruboid languages by scholars because people who take the time to study them have found that they are not Yoruba.

Merely having Yoruba names doesn't make you ethnically Yoruba. There are so many shared words between Edoid and Yoruboid languages and those Edoid groups on the periphery of the Edoid language group that border Yoruba have even more similarity with Yorubas to the point where they share names. But if you actually look at what kind of names they (Akoko Edo) bear you find that in addition to "Yoruba" names (they might not view those names the same way others do), they have many names that real ethnic Yorubas never bear.

And what's this about Benin and Edo people will never bear "Yoruba" names? Tayo Akpata (Bini), Femi Okun (Bini), Ambrose Folorunsho Alli (Esan), Sophie Oluwole (Bini), etc. etc. It goes on and on.

Having a Yoruba name is not evidence of being Yoruba in the ethnic sense. Culturally close, but not ethnically Yoruba.

Yoruba news on EBS Benin? You probably took some shared words as being Yoruba.

scholes0:
Kwara satate is Overwhemingly Yoruba!!!!, Ask anyone from there, {Anyway above statistics has shown already}
1/4 {25%} Of kogi is Yoruba, {More or less.}
5-10% Of Edo State is Yoruba , {Akoko Edo, and areas bordering Ondo state}
The South- West-Lag is predominantly Yoruba.
Lagops State is around 75% Yoruba, {More or less}

Can someone please do the same for Igbos.??

Mind u, dont include Similar Ethnic groups, Because i didnt do the same for the Yoruba.

The bold is false.

Akoko-Edo is not Yoruba. Please stop making assumptions based on names.

Similarities with Yoruba doesn't amount to being Yoruba.

And with regard to Ondo, it's actually the other way around. There are Edo groups, not merely bordering but in Ondo state and there are also Edos that became Yoruba over time and now bear only slight evidence of their Edo ancestry.

nah

Nigeria loses N175bn annually to car importation
By Rasheed Bisiriyu and Emeka Ezekiel
Wednesday, 21 Jul 2010

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Minister of Finance, Mr. Olusegun Aganga

Nigeria is losing about N175bn through the importation of different brands of foreign cars annually.

Ironically, while many dealers in foreign vehicles have continued to make higher projections based on increase in periodic sales profiles, local auto plants are under threat of liquidation on account of low patronage.

The N175bn loss is contained in the latest report on the state of the nation‘s automobile industry prepared by the National Automotive Council, a copy of which was obtained by our correspondent on Tuesday.

The report, which indicated that ”the new vehicles we import annually represent a foreign exchange outflow equivalent to N175bn”, however, noted that ”developing countries such as Brazil, India, China and South Africa have used high import duties either to protect fledgling indigenous manufacturers or to force global car firms to invest in the development of their national motor industries. These countries now export vehicles to Nigeria.”

NAC also said in the report, which it entitled, “Incentives and protective measures to encourage local assembly of motor vehicle” that the Nigerian economy would benefit immensely from a rejuvenated automotive industry.

It said, “Even though the infrastructure and raw materials are inadequate, assembly of cars from completely knocked parts provided manufacturing value added of 40 per cent. The built-up of buses starting with only the chassis and engine gives local manufacturing value added of 60 per cent.

”The vehicle assembly also provides an opportunity to gradually replace imported parts with local ones, thereby resulting in more value addition. This was the intention behind the setting up of the assembly plants by the government in the 1970‘s.”

Responding to an enquiry from one of our correspondents on how the government intends to reverse the trend, the Director-General, National Automotive Council, Mr. Aminu Jala, said there was an urgent need to fast track the implementation of a tariff deferential policy in order to encourage the establishment of local car assembly plants.

He said, ”Our own experience and that of other countries that developed their automotive industries indicates that we need to implement a tariff differential policy in order to create an enabling environment that would bring in more investments into the sector and further encourage locally assembly of vehicles.

”The Federal Government should consider tariff as a measure to increase local capacity and not as a revenue generating instrument. An ideal tariff structure must take into cognizance all incentives and concessions, which should have a long term positive effect on local manufacturing.”

But Nigerians in Diaspora have rekindled the hope of achieving a Made-in-Nigeria car with plans to establish an assembly plant in the country under a patent called Zhope Automobiles.

The group is led by Prof Emmanuel Ezugwu, a professor of Engineering Systems and Director, Machining Research Centre, Faculty of Engineering Science and the Built Environment, London South Bank University.

A model of the 15-seater air-conditioned bus produced by the group was displayed at the premises of the NAC in Abuja, last Wednesday.

Ezugwu said that the plants would manufacture and assemble made in Nigeria automobiles in the six geopolitical zones of the country.

He said, ”This innovative project incorporates over 25 years research and development experience in the area of advanced manufacturing technology for sustainable development.”




http://www.punchng.com/Articl.aspx?theartic=Art201007215491282

Kobojunkie:
^^^ That story is from two years ago. How has the company done in the 2 years(assuming it started back in 2008) of doing business? Any non-biased reviews? Any real numbers on it's performance? Have an independent group confirmed the company is where it needs to be quality wise?

I couldn't find anything from their website.


@ the bold, not to my knowledge, but everyone has said the buses are of good quality and there is no reason to doubt that.


"Known formerly as Easter Plastics and owned by the old Anambra State government, the company was at the time of the acquisition by Innoson, derelict with obslete machinery. Chukwuma later reequipped the factory with modern machines and tools and transformed it into the biggest plastics company in Nigeria with products widely acclaimed to be among the best in the market. Presently, the company makes more than 60 plastics products with the list expanding every day.

Satisfied by the quality of the company's products, in 2008, the Standard Organisation of Nigeria (SON), at an elaborate event in its factory in Emene, presented the company with a MANCAP quality certificate after rigorous tests on some of its lines of products including the internationally acclaimed Innoson plastic chairs.

Innoson Group is bound to grow further when the General Tyres and Tubes Limited also located in Emene Industrial Layout, Enugu comes on stream in no distant future. When completed, the tyre factory will have the capacity to meet the nations motorcycle and motor tyres and tube needs. The company is being established in partnership with other Nigerian investors and Chinese technical partners. With this and other companies in the pipeline, Innoson has continued to grow into the country's formidable industrial giant with the presence in various vital productive sectors of the economy and affecting the lives of families across the country in various ways."


The only thing they had tested and approved were their plastics, as far as I can tell.

http://allafrica.com/stories/201005240688.html?viewall=1

"The plant, Innoson Vehicle Manufacturing Company Limited (INNOVEMCO), will represent a breakthrough of sorts in the quest to transfer the technology of advanced auto industries and adapt it to suit the local needs. Hence, apart from the engines, axles and other precision parts, all other components will be sourced locally. Remarkably, the vehicles will not bear the monogram of the technical partners; or that of any popular brand, but will bear the name of the manufacturer – ‘Innoson’.

When Daily Sun visited the site (which is about the size of five football pitches) a welter of construction activities was going on as both Nigerian workers and a couple of Chinese expatriates laboured to complete the erection of structures, having accomplished the installation of the integrated body finishing line, featuring the very modern electrophoresis coating system and spray chambers.
Other segments of the assembly plant will soon be installed, confirmed Chief Chukwuma, who is the chairman of the Innoson Group of Companies. Next is the arrival of the other sets of equipment, their installation and test-running of the plant.

“The rest of the equipment are on the way. In a few months, I will be through with building the plant, and after that, production will start”, Chukwuma disclosed.

Vehicle models, plant capacity.
When Innoson Vehicle Manufacturing Company commences production, the initial run is expected to be about 20 buses a day. This will be followed by mini trucks and other products that the market demands. “We want to start with buses. After buses, we will be producing according to the demand of Nigerians”, the Innoson chairman remarked, stressing that the concept is to make for the market vehicles that would be so competitively priced that tokunbo (imported second-hand automobiles) would be very unattractive.

Among other ‘secrets’ that will interplay to make this possible, Innoson plans to produce some of the local components in-house, while some others will be sourced elsewhere in the country, an option which will reduce the cost of production.
This will culminate in the vehicles selling well below N1million per unit; if everything goes according to his plan, as low as N800, 000. The products are also expected to trickle to the sub-regional (West African) market in the spirit of ECOWAS."


http://www.sunnewsonline.com/webpages/features/motoring/2008/may/23/motoring-23-05-2008-001.htm