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The Egun seem to be a subgroup of the Yoruba.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5a/Obasanjo_1978.gif

Olusegun Obasanjo, 1978

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Femi Fani-Kayode (left), Olusegun Obasanjo (right), October 2010

What parts of philosophy do you guys think are actually difficult?   I'm skeptical.

You think Fulanis and Kanuris look like other Nigerians?


Keep deceiving yourself.

Beaf:
Rascal.

lol

They better improve what they churn out as technology products. Mobile handsets, time management system, brick making machine etc.,  are not commendable Seems like a misuse of oil and taxpayer money.

Have you watched the program?

Has anyone else watched it?


Just asking. It could have actually not met quality standards. But if it somehow did not, then how did they get Bakare, Ciroma, and Fayemi to go on their program?

Ileke-Idi's basically right. With the exception of chemical and petroleum, engineering doesn't pay as much just out of college as people are assuming unless you went to a really impressive school.



http://www1.salary.com/Engineering-Salaries.html


^^^^^^

Look at the salaries for the entry-level positions for all except petroleum/drilling etc. and chemical and you'll see the the others (civil, mechanical, electrical, environmental, etc.) all get around $50K-$60K, which is still good and better than most other majors, but not better than nursing, a job as a doctor, or dentistry, etc.


Also, engineering involves a lot of work and very hard work without huge increases when you move up in rank, so engineers definitely aren't in it for the money. There's a lot more to life than money, anyways.

I think the Igbinedion saga played a role in the Oba taking a stand about bad governance this time around. He probably saw that staying silent was not the way to go, based on previous experience.


Before Gabriel Igbinedion was stripped of his title (Esama of Benin), the Oba did not openly do anything or say anything about the failings of his son, Lucky, as governor, proabably because Lucky's father, despite all his inappropriate behavior, still held one of the highest titles in Benin (fifth highest), which he had been given by Oba Akenzua II, the father of the present Oba.

In addition, the Igbinedions had accused Oba Erediauwa of helping John Odigie-Oyegun defeat Lucky Igbinedion during an election for governor of Edo state.

I think Oba Erediauwa only put up with the Igbinedions (father and son) to not appear biased and be politically neutral and also to give Lucky a chance to perform.

By the way, when Chief Akintola, nine years later, was similarly accused of not supporting (Action Group) party policy, there was the same attempt to impeach him on the floor of the House Assembly in Ibadan except that his party was more divided than the NCNC (in 1953) and violence erupted in the legislature leading eventually to declaration of emergency.

This is slanted and dishonest.


They (the Akintola faction) were undoubtedly going to lose and as a result, they (the Akintola faction) resorted to violence. That Bello and Balewa didn't do the right thing and that NCNC members like Fani Kayode or Zik just stood by (actually Remi Fani-Kayode was even pro-Akintola) while they did the wrong thing is not somehow excused by referring to the fact that Awolowo's AG had worked to undermine the other two major political parties.


As for the rest, the efforts to undermine the other political parties were not somehow unique to the Action group. Using the logic by which the AG's actions can be termed "conspiracies," the NCNC (and later the NPC) were in a perpetual "conspiracy" against the AG and Awolowo from 1952 to 1963 with regard to the creation of the Midwestern region.

I guess the point of this write-up was that there should have been no opposing and antagonistic political parties and there should have just been one super-alliance of political parties or one all-powerful political party.    That worked out quite awfully for Ghana under Nkrumah.

Most southern Nigerian men originally dressed like the Nubians, Egyptians, etc. did. A simple wrapper sufficed for the young, and when old and out of shape, a shirt of some sort probably.

[quote author=eku_bear link=topic=612394.msg7803253#msg7803253 date=1298687567]Hold on a second.

Expound on that.

You mean this: http://s3.hubimg.com/u/2202666_f520.jpg

Is of Hausa origin?

What is your evidence for this?[/quote]http://www.adireafricantextiles.com/agbadainfo.htm

http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:XjCyD5rEzIgJ:www.bakareweate.com/texts/the%2520agbada.pdf+islamic+robes+of+honor+agbada&hl=en&gl=us&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESiHemXfA9o0jx-a_9YRPS0NaQRGDw29C_8oSCcwydA_QguMazGz-aL_6ea30yZEuBhXstCV-dm56PsXi3a-x8X1-NZeBF1dcSPSYi3jdrEcJ0_FvC9tw_BiGkP7mUtBqmJv19gu&sig=AHIEtbRG9B417F_NgcjcuVo9qEd4fT8npQ

Of course, the Hausas got it from the North Africans, but my point still stands.

[quote author=tpiah! link=topic=611435.msg7803186#msg7803186 date=1298685901]^^that's inconsequential.

everyone is entitled to their own opinion and plz dont use the comment as an opportunity to brag about how many non-blacks you bed and marry everyday.[/quote]WTF?

What's wrong with you? What does what you just wrote have to do with my comment?

Nigerians don't all dress the same.


That's just due to the Hausanization of Nigerian clothing.



Many many different Nigerian groups are not "obsessed with money." I don't even know how one would measure or determine that an ethnic group was "obsessed with money."


I don't know how you could possibly think they "all have the same views on issues." Some don't even agree on forms of government, for example.


How could you possibly know that they "all eat the same stuff"? Have you eaten food in every state in Nigeria?

nah


If they did it would manifest itself in the kind of individuals they produce.

wtf is a ramnon?


On an unrelated note, wtf is a ramnon.2? Is it related to ramnon.1?


These are important questions.

Do you really think all that stuff applies to Fulanis?

nah

In his blog, Bukhari suggest that the reader try to "attend the wedding of any black man who's marrying a white woman, or a white man who's marrying a black woman. See for yourself the number of comments and criticisms made by everyone. In reality, these marriages are actually rare. Black Libyan men are doomed to marry black Libyan women."

"Doomed"?


WTF man. 

That's not helping.

Ramon2:
Eku Bear:

It is not a matter of t-it for tat. You have been consistent in your pretense as an unbiased contributor. But anybody who knows how to look deeper than the surface knows you are a dangerous tribalist and a pretender. I have no problem anyone bashing my ethnic group, but do not tell others to mind their business when you do not mind yours. Even when you were Dapo Bear, it was glaring how you create or nose into Igbo threads, carrying your nose high up like a failed ostrich.

I know you are either Bolaji Aluko or his son. But that is neither here no there.

rofl

It's not that serious son.

I don't see how Dapobear is "dangerous". Certainly a lot better than that omongbati/mekus/environer clown, whoever he was.

If more posters had a Dapobearian/ekubearian approach to discussions, this would actually be a better forum.

The violence which some Fulani are inflicting on the Middle Belt and even starting to inflict on a few parts of the south; is that something we should not be talking about, Mr. Sanusi?


Read Sanusi's article "ISSUES IN RESTRUCTURING CORPORATE NIGERIA." The man is a bigot. Yet he's complaining about his people being targeted for blame and insults when he did the EXACT SAME THING to a greater degree and without any provocation well before Sir Ajayi's book launch.

ROSSIKE:
''Cancer advisory board'' my asssss.

These devils know the cure for cancer. They just won't let the world access it because they make hundreds of billions every year from ''treating'' the disease. Propagating a natural cure (there are many) for cancer would mean an end to their dirty profits, hence the endless ''search for a cure'' for cancer etc.

Do you actually believe this in real life?


Or is this part of some of conspiracy theorist Nairaland character/persona?

Wow. What a crook. Abacha was a small child by comparison.

doja:
Oh ! Sorry people I said it was Dokpesi and IBB then, because I never knew he was my father but now that I know he is my father we are looking at the possibility of labelling some other persons with that terrorist act.

lol

[quote author=isale_gan2 link=topic=590933.msg7794706#msg7794706 date=1298579363]lol. What are you doing, Katz?  hahaha. WTH?  Don't make me worry.  I have a very active vividly imaginative mind.

I am already put out by NL spambot banning my posts for some inexplicable reason, especially when you have all kinds of vulgar and obscene stuff (not in this thread) all over the place.  Absurd!  

Also, I replied Physics.OD/OPP, but spambot didn't like it - twice.  And I didn't even call him a wuss (the 2nd time).  hahahaha.  Nay, I like Physics. . . the subject, not the poster.  He probably thinks that smilie is provocative.  Wuss![/quote]lol, you tried replying twice? With spam-worthy material? 

Clearly I hit a nerve. Good.


"As" is one my favorite Stevie Wonder songs though, so I'll lay off questioning this thread for now.

lol, perhaps Mr. Osahon can answer how he "stole an oil block" and actually went to court for it. That was just simplistic journalistic phrasing. They obviously mean something like profiting from an oil block owned by a deceased person illegally. Osahon would not have gone to court if the original accusation had been that they had physically dug up and relocated an oil well with shovels.


As for the rest, I already said my credulousness has limits. The Osahon connection has never been denied and those who would be able to deny it (those with inside knowledge of the extent of the relationship between Mr. Osahon and Mr. Lawal) have never provided any denials.

PStylish:
@PHYSICS
Am sorry the way I use Edo and Bini interchangeably. Edo is a recent term (100yrs old or thereabout). Bini is more ancient and the Benin empire/kingdom includes all Edo groups. Please pardon me.

Edo is an ancient term.

Benin/Bini is a younger but still old term.

1. Don't know about Usen. Never been there.
2. Edo's bearing Yoruba names is little different from non-Hausa northerners bearing Hausa names. However, there are some groups like Edo-Akure, that are of Bini and Yoruba descent.
3. There is about as much chance of Yorubas using Edo names as there is of Hausas using Fulani names- in other words, none. This is about numbers and influence.
4. Benin's influence and hold on parts of North Edo state was rather limited, so that explanation of Benin spreading Yoruba influence on other Edos, even to the point of naming and personal use is pretty weak.
5. Oranmiyan never reigned in Benin. Who or how many he arrived with is not particularly clear, but this story of a large Yoruba entourage isn't recorded anywhere as being supported by any older stories.
6. There is no evidence that Eweka had a Yoruba name. The claim that Yoruba was the official language of the Benin palace at any point in time is an absolute fabrication, which was taken as authentic by Robert Bradbury even though it was told to him by someone who had never ever been in the palace to carry out official palace business or lived as a palace official or even asked the palace officials what language they used and had used in the palace. Please don't keep propagating this ludicrous tale which has been propping up in those Yoruba-Bini debates.
7. Yoruba influence was probably religious (Orunmila, Ifa, etc.). Some aspects of Yoruba religion were supposedly introduced in the 17th century.

fstranger3:
http://www.nigeriancuriosity.com/2008/04/nigerian-kase.html

That's all well and good, but how does it stack up against:

Mr. Lawal, a big player in the seamy and corruption-ridden world of Nigerian oil business, escaped from Nigeria several years ago amid a scandal that was going to see him prosecuted.

He began his effort at image rehabilitation when a few of his contacts got the U.S.-based Nigerian Lawyers Association to bestow a special award on him in New York City in 2007.

Saharareporters reported that Nigeria's Attorney General, Michael Andoakaa, whose office should be seeking Lawal's extradition, was on hand to lend official credibility to the fugitive's so-called "honor" by the NLA.

In 1999, Lawal was indicted and arraigned by Nigerian police authorities on charges of stealing an oil block belonging to the late Maiduguri-based businessman, Mai Deribe. The police charged Lawal and his staff before a Lagos High Court.

Shortly after the institution of the case, Lawal, who is highly connected, reportedly bribed both the then Inspector General of Police and the Attorney General of the Federation to intervene by 'killing' the case.

As the main suspect, Mr. Kase Lawal—who holds dual Nigerian and US citizenships—fled Nigeria, leaving behind his staff members led by one Mr. Osahon to face the consequences. A warrant of arrest was issued against Lawal while Osahon and others were lined up to face trial.

In a curious development, the then Attorney General quashed the case by claiming that only the office of the Attorney General of the federation was empowered to initiate prosecution against criminals.

The case became a subject of protracted litigation known as Osahon V. FGN (Federal Government of Nigeria). The case tested the power of the police and other security agencies to initiate criminal prosecution. After victories by Attorney General at the High Court and the Appellate Court, the Supreme Court in 2006 ruled that the police and other security agencies could initiate criminal proceedings without express permission from the AGF's office. The ruling effectively empowered the police to prosecute Lawal and co. for their crimes.

http://www.ocnus.net/artman2/publish/Africa_8/Texas_Oil_Man_The_Kase_Lawal_Fugitive_Scandal.shtml

and

Keyamo added, "In the decision of Osahon v FGN, it was specifically on the power of the police as contained in the Police Act. And that decision did not say the police can override the powers of the AGF. It only said the police can file a charge directly from a high court.

But it does not mean it can override the power of the AGF. The powers of the police over prosecution as stated in Osahon v FGN is still subject to the overriding power of the AGF over prosecution anytime.”

http://nigeriavillagesquare.com/forum/take/11824-yar-adua-clips-efcc-s-wings-now-reports-ag-s-office-2.html


So we know that

1) There was actually a case called Osahon v FGN
2) The connection between this Mr. Osahon and Kase Lawal has never been denied or asserted to be fake, not even by that source you posted.
2) The government of Nigeria can be bribed to do a volte-face or ignore transgressions
4) The fact that Kase Lawal visited Nigeria 70 times after 1999 proves he was never a "fugitive" as claimed by several sites and even the first link I posted above, but it doesn't prove that he was actually "clean" with regard to the Osahon case.

What is the most reasonable conclusion? 

He just bribed the problem away.

He said, “The President has approved a Re-insertion Safety Allowance for [size=20pt]20,192[/size] ex-militants. This amount is for the first set of 20,192 ex-militants; the second set, consisting of [size=20pt]6,166[/size] ex-militants, will be included in the supplementary budget.

Did nobody else notice this?


That is just too many people for the government to just be paying for doing nothing.

fstranger3:
Is it safe to assume that, in your usual objective and candid self, you actually saw him stealing oil with buckets and also saw him escaping from Nigeria? Which route did he take exactly and how was he able to sneak back into the country without arousing suspicions?

And after he escaped from the Nigeria, the government, in her usual forgiving nature, chose to punish him be giving him license to operate more oil wells and to further punish him for his past offences, they decided to make member of a presidential advisory board on petroleum affairs.?

Am I understanding you right?

Please, there are limits to my credulousness. That he just so happens to leave after he is found to be involved in a crime by the government, instead of defending himself or turning himself in at some later point to defend his reputation, is reason enough to consider him not exactly clean.


And with regard to the government doing a volte-face, perhaps you haven't heard of Umaru Dikko?

http://www.newsweek.com/2010/06/30/the-world-s-greatest-spy-capers/the-dikko-affair-1984.html


That the Nigerian government suddenly stops caring and even starts liking the person they were previously against doesn't mean that someone is actually clean.

Yeah, I know of the theory of him actually being born in America, and what I was saying to them is that you can't place him in a place that completely contradicts his Benin statement unless you think he was just making stuff up; in which case he wasn't born in Nigeria at all but in South Carolina like some scholars believe. It's possible that he was just overstating the extent of Benin's influence, but the way he stated it was quite clear about Essaka being one of the remotest "provinces" of Benin.