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Onlytruth:
With all due respect, I'm talking about the pilot of a plane, the captain of a ship and the driver of a bus, while you are talking about passengers or conductors or crew members.

Iseghohi was the MD/CEO. All buck stopped at his desk.  

Obviously you're not familiar with the case. Mike Okoli was no passenger or crew member. It was a conspiracy and Iseghohi, Okoli, and Buba were very guilty of siphoning money. It wasn't a one-man operation.


Additionally:

"Meanwhile, the SSS has also drilled the controversial Transcorp Board Chairperson, Mrs. Ndidi Okereke-Onyiuke, over the alleged scam rocking the business conglomerate. Okereke-Onyiuke, Huhuonline.com has learnt, used her position as Board chair to muzzle Iseghogi as GMD. A source told Huhuonline.com that she was invited to the SSS headquarters to answer some questions regarding the controversies and allegations of fraud involving the top hierarchy of the company. The bulky Okereke-Onyiuke, who doubles as Director-General of the Nigeria Stock Exchange (NSE) is no stranger to the SSS and the EFCC having been arraigned last year in connection with the Africans for Obama fundraising. "

http://www.modernghana.com/news/218178/1/release-iseghohi-or-elsefamily-of-arrested-transco.html

I wonder if this person was also a passenger? Let's not even get into her activities.

Eko Ile:
these [b]doctor clowns[/b]in Lagos.

Don't get sick.

Onlytruth:
Mike Okoli was not the CEO and MD of Transcorp. Mr Tom Iseghohi was.

Mike Okoli and one other fellow were part and parcel to the fraud and theft and all three were charged equally.

lol, you really believe only Igbos do anything good for Nigeria and every non-Biafran group is trash?

Onlytruth:
Nigeria is one country where you see thoroughly educated folks failing WOEFULLY in simple logic.  

Please note that for 43 years (since after the war), Nigeria has not moved an inch. And year after year, they keep appointing "educated" Nigerians to positions of responsibility only for them to fail serially.

Without any apologies whatsoever, the only time I hold out some hope in Nigeria is when the appoint educated Igbo to sensitive positions; from NAFDAC, to CBD to Nigerian Immigration; nothing happened until they appointed Igbo folks.

I told eku_bear that there is a cultural and philosophical gap between Igbo and other Nigerians, and I meant it.
Something so simple is so difficult for Nigerians to comprehend and follow.

Look at when they appointed one "Tom Iseghohi" to head Transcorp. The dude camp with his education and pedigree, yet, he orchestrated theft and incompetence there. Look at Olusegun Aganga!  

Look at the CBD and Sanusi. His coming to the bank killed Nigeria's match to being the financial hub in Africa and the world.  

Look at Attihiru Jega, a "renowned and no-nonsense professor" trying to outdo a known crook called Maurice Iwu in "pre-election rigging" or votes. At least Iwu waited till the election. This one couldn't wait!

So, you see why I'm saying that Nigeria should really divide, because since 1970, we (Biafrans) could have developed up to the stage of Israel or even Sweden.

Let "educated" men keep lying to themselves. One day, they will live by themselves and we would be gone.


Innoson should relocate to Ghana if the Federal government fails to give it some share of this contract.

lol, you really believe only Igbos do anything good for Nigeria and every non-Biafran group is trash? And then you wonder why you have so many enemies on this site.

With regard to a Tom Iseghohi, I believe a certain Mike Okoli was arrested along with him and also charged with fraud. I wonder what ethnic group Mr. Okoli was from.  

Note:

When I mentioned quality, I specifically said that there was nothing to suggest that the government knew that the companies could produce hundreds of quality buses successfully in the desired amount of time (whatever that is) given that these were not previously prominent companies. This could be attributed to the fact the companies do not have a major reputation yet, not that there is any actual lack of expertise. Just so my use of the word quality is not further distorted, the meaning should be pretty clear: An established company with a reputation as one of the larger and better bus companies in China would have a reputation that would allow it to be assumed to deliver a large quantity of well-performing products without anybody even needing to monitor them for quality or feel they were taking some risk. This does not mean that they should be solely relied upon, because once again, if we take this route, we'll just end up buying everything from China and not developing anything indigenous. The decision was shortsighted, but I simply don't see any conspiracy aspect of the decision. Maybe I'm approaching things too logically to see eye to eye with those who are emotionally distraught by this.

Obiagu1:
^^^

They might not offer them the whole 550 buses but a percentage will do the local industries some good. Don't you think so?

Government is still the largest market for brand new cars and buses in Nigeria because salaries are too low, so if you expect the companies to show themselves, hike salaries to enable individuals make some choice.

I agree. It should not have been a wholly Chinese thing. Because with where China is at now technologically, we could just ending up awarding large contracts to Chinese for everything, when we should only be trying to learn as much as we can from them and then move on. Ultimately the government can choose who they want, but I do think this decision was shortsighted.

naijaking1:
It will do you a whole lot of good to at least know basic things around you. The Styr motor company in Kano is almost going out of business, because nobody is offereing a 550 bus contract.
Your idea of quality is warped.
Remember my earlier example about the Chinese and 30 airplanes from Boeing? Today, the Chinese have been able to translate some of their knowledge from commercial Boeing 747 planes to fighter jets. The buyer always determines quality.

1. If it's going out of business, then how is it my fault to not know of their existence? Clearly they were not successful. For them to fade further and further into obscurity and irrelevance doesn't make me extremely ignorant.
2. Offering a large 550 bus contract to a dying company - company that was not even able to survive or thrive on a day to day basis. Does that make sense?   So when you see that a company has no reputation, or has no success in dealing with the ordinary, you rush to offer it a large and extraordinary contract that could have an impact on your country's development/improvement?
3. My idea of quality is warped? What did I say my idea of quality is? I said the expertise was already there, but the question is, could they make 550 quality products consistently in a preferable/reasonable amount of time for the buyer? Furthermore, had the companies made it clear that they had such expertise and capability as any Chinese bus company (or equivalently, did the government know that they had such capability)? It's a question that may have played a role in the government's decision to snub these indigenous companies. Please remember that no less a company than Toyota was recently in hot water after churning out several products that were of substandard quality, and the owner, Mr. Toyoda himself, had to testify before the U.S. senate to save face.
4. My personal opinion is that they should have involved the indigenous companies and the Chinese that may have been seen as offering a better deal or as being less "risky" a choice. A sort of compromise. The Chinese should only have been a partial source, or an auxiliary part of the mass transit program, and then have been gradually phased out, in my opinion. Over-reliance on foreign expertise is a way to stall development and self-reliance, in my view.
5. "It will do you a whole lot of good" What do I have to do with the merit of my argument? You want to make this about me when you didn't even have the slightest idea about what my personal feelings were about the whole decision. My point was to figure out the government's rationale. They went with who they wanted and they had a reason for that, and I suspected that their reason for doing so was quite different from what some people were claiming in this thread.

Ola edo:
"With a population of some two million people, the Urhobo people are the 5th largest ethnic group in Nigeria and constitute the largest single ethnic group in Delta State". http://urhoboculturalleague.com/Urhobo%20People.html

I'm guessing by this statement alone, no other groups besides the Igbo, "Hausa/fulani", Yoruba, and Ijaw are up to 2 million people.

lol, yeah, they shot themselves in the foot there.

Beaf:
What is so wrong with Urhobo people being the 5th largest group in the country? Can any of you clowns give accurate census figures for your groups, figures that don't include goats and chickens? Lol

So, A) who are the 4th largest group and B) Do the Urhobo believe that they're larger than the Tiv & Kanuri?

As for PhysicsMHD's erroneous statement that Isoko's and Ijaws are enemies, it couldn't be more false. The only source of friction between both the Isoko and Urhobo on the one hand and the Ijaw came from slave trading; both groups staunchly refused to engage in the heinious trade (trading in oil palm produce instead).
Ijaw slavers would raid their territories on rare occassions and cart off people, aside from that Isoko and Urhobo history have always seen the Ijaw as magnanimous neighbours who gave us land to settle on.

Please, lets not make up history.

Ok, if you say so.

(Do you guys really believe they gave you land to settle on? Where does that idea come from?)

Obiagu1:
. . . but the company was commissioned by GEJ, right?

True. But they had not yet performed when he commissioned them. I was not clear. I meant, are they known as the go-to people for buses? Or are they still growing so as to earn that reputation?

naijaking1:
There is nobody you'll finance to produce 550 buses that wouldn't become an expert after making the first few units. Apart from Innoson and Annamco( which unfortunately belong to the dreaded Igbos!) there are the Styr company in Kano, and Leland co. in Ibadan. If you give any of them this contract, they will perfect bus production so much after a few trials and error( assuming they have no idea how to make one initially) that the whole World will be coming to buy buses in Kano, Nigeria.
What's wrong with Nigerians

I thought Leyland motors is dead. I don't even know of this Kano company.

I wasn't talking about expertise in making the buses. Afterall Anammco was once under Daimler-Benz, so it's not a question of expertise. (But for the record, "become an expert after making the first few units" is not a reasonable approach for a company seeking to take on a big contract  )

Perhaps your overemotional approach to everything made you completely sidestep the point I was making. For you everything is ethnic because you lean a little to the ethnic bigot camp.

I was talking about the ability of a company to provide hundreds of a quality product  in a reasonable time scale or a time scale seen as optimal by the buyer. Is a company that seems to be getting off the ground and in the early growth stage such a company? Maybe, maybe not. They could absolutely have the capability. But without them advertising that capability, there would be nothing that would make a prospective buyer immediately seek them out if their expertise, quality, and capability to deliver is not founded upon an already existing reputation or upon a very good sales pitch/marketing strategy.

Obiagu1:
@ PhysicsMND,

Ok, then 30% I used should be correct.

Does it mean that Urhobos are up to 50% ?

Well, from that same 2006 census:

Ethiope West
203592
Sapele
171888
Okpe
130029
Ethiope East
200792
Ughelli North
321028
Ughelli South
213576
Udu
143361
Uvwie
191472

Total: 1,575,738


Which is 38% of the state's total population for the 2006 census. When you add all those Urhobos in Warri, the figure probably jumps 3-5% at least, probably much more (I wouldn't know, somebody from Warri would have to confirm). So I would put the Urhobos in the 40s as far as percentage of Delta state. I don't know about 50% exactly. Remember there are still Itsekiri, Ijaw, and Isoko in Delta state and I think together these groups would probably make up more than just 20% of Delta state. (Once again, I'm no authority on this though.)

ROSSIKE:
PhysicsMHD said:

I wasn't referring to you specifically. Just to the general sentiment that Nigeria cannot voice its disapproval on account of what's gone on in the past, when other more bloodstained nations making righteous noises are not held to the same ''high standards''.

Oh.


Hmmm. Didn't know you were Jen33, until now.

Dede1:
You are quite a reasonable fellow and I do not expect you to post this deceptive write-up. There is nothing private about UDBN. It is privately owned as corporations such Nigerian Railway Corporation. The appointment of the Director or the CEO of the UDBN is not decided by share holders but federal government of Nigeria through the right ministry.

Could you explain how NLC and TUC factor into buying buses from the money set aside to help private transporters such ABC, Ekene Dili Chukwu, Izuchukwu, Young Shall Grow, Aba/Lagos Promoters, etc?

NLC and TUC do not own or operate a wheel on the Nigerian roads.

You're correct. I didn't really grasp the full scale of the federal government's role in the institution.

Jen33:
If the USA and Britain can condemn the violence, Nigeria most certainly CAN do as well.

Who has more blood of the innocent on their hands?

1.5 MILLION DEAD INNOCENT IRAQIS (not to mention Vietnamese, Afghans et al) do not share your admiration and respect for the supposed ''civilized powers''.

That it was foreigners those western troops slaughtered and not ''their own people'' does not make them any less brutal or sadistic, unless you're saying that killing foreigners is morally superior to killing one's own population, a claim for which there is absolutely no basis.

Huh?

WTF are you talking about? Where did you read all this stuff that you seem to be responding to?

Obiagu1:
If that is true, give me the estimate of Urhobo, Isoko and Ijaw.

http://aniochanorth.org/History-and-Culture.php

"The Anioma region has a total population of 1,114,055 at the last National headcount in 2006. These include Ukwuani, Enu-ani, Ika (Agbor), and Aboh.  The population figure quoted here does not include those of Anioma communities located outside Delta state."



http://www.nigerianstat.gov.ng/nbsapps/Connections/Pop2006.pdf


Aniocha North
104,711
Aniocha South
140,604
Ika North East
183,657
Ika South
162,594
Ndokwa East
103,171
Ndokwa West
149,325
Oshimili North
115, 316
Oshimili South
149,603

Total: 1,108,981


Now that was the 2006 estimate and in the same year, the estimate for the state's population was 4,098,391. So the Anioma region was 27%. When you add some Igbos in Warri, Sapele, and few other places, you could probably get over 30%, but not a substantial amount past 30%. Overall, something in the 27-33% range seems reasonable, going off the 2006 data.

Ola edo:
Urhobo claims of being 5th largest ethnic group:

http://upumn.com/index_files/Page362.htm

That's not as serious as the Ijaw claim though. The Ijaw claims were being posted on multiple websites, and were even repeated by a journalist and were stretching their population by over 9 million.

The Tiv people claim that they're the 4th largest (which isn't true, to the best of my knowledge)  http://mutainc.org/ . I think this Urhobo claim is more along those lines. Just trying to point out that they're not an "obscure" and "ignorable" minority, but one of the "important ones." Quite different from the Ijaw 14+ million claim, which was deliberately geared toward making them the 4th major ethnic group.

All in all, I don't see the point. What does being fifth largest even mean? Does it make you the wealthiest, most educated, most accomplished, most politically relevant, etc? The Urhobo politicians making these claims should familiarize themselves with the existence of large minorities outside of the south.

Here's a funny one. I'm sure you can pick out where that funny and hysterical part is:

http://urhoboculturalleague.com/Urhobo%20People.html

Not really. What's the funny part?

How are Igbos more than 30% of Delta state?

31%? 33%? 35%?

30% is around the right estimate, actually.

Ola edo:
I'm still waiting for your book. Don't disappoint me. These are the exact suspicions that has pulled me further away from the guy. I was even shocked that the Ijaws were claiming land in Edo State and Akwa Ibom, more like .  I was wonder how the Ijaws just out of nowhere jumped over the Ogonis and ended up with land in Akwa Ibom. Edwin clark alone, I'm guessing because GJ is president now, is even trying to impose Ijaws on Rivers and Delta state. Which is giving then control oil the three largest oil producing states. Too bad its blowing up in his face. Ijaws can never be up past 4-5 million. I'm not sure if you heard that now some Urhobos have come and claim to be the 5th largest ethnic group in nigeria,lol.smh.

lol, if I write a book, it won't be on Nigeria's politics or history. Not really my specialty. I'll leave that to the experts.

Urhobos have always been in the top 10 groups as far as population. Don't know where they're getting 5th largest from or why they feel the need to prop themselves up like that.  More Delta state politics, I guess. They're learning from their Ijaw rivals.

I think it goes

Yoruba
Igbo
Hausa-Fulani
4. Efik/Ibibio/Annang
5. Kanuri
6. Ijaw
7. Tiv
8. Edo
9. Nupe
10. Urhobo
11. Igala



[quote author=eku_bear link=topic=610963.msg7788579#msg7788579 date=1298499923]What is your basis for saying this? None of us have read his PhD thesis. How do you know he is a skilled writer?[/quote]I was actually basing my assertion that he was a good writer off his written press releases, facebook speeches, etc. which have been posted occasionally on this board. When you contrast them with his actual public speaking, it's clear that he seems more intelligent when he keeps quiet and just writes what he thinks.

Let me play GEJ's advocate for a second. Regarding Ogun, Jos, Borno. . . his hands are a bit tied. He cannot rock the boat too much. He cannot piss off the northerners, and he needs both factions in Ogun if he wants to win SW votes.

Yes, his hands are somewhat tied. At the same time there is right and wrong and it could be the case that he could win more support in the north central and southwest by acting with integrity and resolving crises. Imagine if GEJ solved each and every problem that erupted or at least acted like he was determined to do so. Instead he's "praying" that the October bombers confess and turn themselves in. 

At times I wonder what the extent of GEJs relationship with the Edwin Clarks of the world are. Is he just the good cop to their bad cop? Perhaps they are all working for the same team.

However, surely an Urhobo guy like Beaf wouldn't have anything to do with Goodluck if that were the case? It would be clear how that is bad news for him and his people, no?

But I agree, the Ijaw man has come very far over the course of the past decade. Despite his small #s.

To be honest, I don't like any of the presidential candidates. Just trying to figure out which one of them I dislike the least.

I don't think GEJ and Edwin Clark have too close a relationship actually.

If I recall correctly, GEJ was supporting Uduaghan in Delta state, whereas Edwin Clarke was hellbent on seeing Uduaghan never become governor again. Clarke was actually at loggerheads with GEJ's stance there.

As for Beaf, I think he's just somewhat naive. Niger Delta exploitation and pollution affects more than just Ijaws, so it makes sense for him to align with them out of a common, shared situation, but at the same time he should recognize an ethnic empowerment agenda when it's staring him in the face. The Niger Delta movement can only last so long before it's just the Ijaw power movement.

I even posted an article from some days ago which showed that Beaf's own people (the Isoko) and the Ijaws had naturally been mortal enemies since pre-colonial and colonial times when left to their own devices without outside interference.  (https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-607521.256.html#msg7759035). I wouldn't be surprised to see Ijaws claiming Isoko land in the near future. 

And yeah, all the presidential candidates are highly flawed.

[quote author=eku_bear link=topic=610963.msg7788406#msg7788406 date=1298497333]Et tu, PhysicsMHD? You were a fan of GEJ not too long ago  [/quote]lol, yeah. I was impressed that he was "different" from the past Nigerian leaders. Which he indeed is. He's a quiet guy who's not a good speaker and makes gaffes, but clearly writes intelligently, at least (probably how he got his Ph.D., I can't imagine his viva going over too well considering his speaking skills). However, I've come to realize that he simply is not the best that Nigeria can produce. Then there's the fact that he's surrounding himself with all sorts of corrupt people like Anenih. Then the Ogun political crisis. Then the Jos crisis/murders and doing nothing. Then Boko haram in Borno and doing nothing. Then the bungled JTF operations, then the lies about the number of aides. He's better than Atiku - a career crook with a diploma in hygiene - and that was one of the main reasons I was for GEJ when those two were the main contenders. Now that Atiku is out of the way, GEJ just seems more like the mediocrity that he is to me.

The fact that he has a Ph.D. in Zoology from Port Harcourt is also ignorable. Take a look at the educational qualifications of somebody who was denied the presidency and could have been president of Nigeria and tell me how Jonathan stacks up:

"Dr. Alex Ifeanyichukwu Ekwueme (born October 21, 1932) From Oko, Anambra State, Nigeria was the first Vice-President of Nigeria, serving 1979 – 1983. He started primary school at the St John's Anglican Central School, at Ekwulobia, then he proceeded to King's College, Lagos As an awardee of the Fulbright Scholarship in the United States America (being one of the first Nigerians to gain the award), Alex attended the University of Washington where he earned Bachelors degree in architecture and city planning. He obtained his Masters degree in urban planning. Dr Ekwueme also earned degrees in sociology, history, philosophy and law from University of London. He later proceeded to obtain a Ph.D. in architecture from the University of Strathclyde, before gaining the BL (Honours) degree from the Nigerian Law School."


^^^^^

I mean, to be completely honest, if not for the fact that Ekwueme is like 80 years old now, I would even prefer him at this very moment to GEJ.



As for my Ijaw comment, that was provoked by seeing what's really going on with Ijaws right now. It's ironic that GEJ is anti-tribal given what's going on with his own people.

When I saw the fake 14 million population for Ijaws, I laughed. When I saw the 10 million population figure, I naively believed it, not knowing they had an agenda. Now that I know that they're possibly not up to 5 million but have being floating 25 million, 14 million, 10 million, etc. around; that they're claiming indigenous ownership of the parts of 4-5 different states that they aren't indigenous to, and with Edwin Clark negotiating behind the scenes with Northerners not for merely a south-south, but specifically an Ijaw VP, it's become clear that the last few years have basically been about the uninterrupted rise of Ijaw nationalism.

Eziachi:
I am impressed.
At least better than Jonathan who wants to be president because he deserved to be president but without any known plan.

But Buhari must add as number objective: A referendum with one single question- Who wants to be part of this marriage called Nigeria and who wants out?

Only after that question is asked and answered will he start talking about all those other issues. A follow up question will be: Is there better alternative to presidential system of government? How cheap, affordable, open and accountable is parliamentary system with strong regional power when compared against the currrent American borrowed system in a country of many nations?

Buhari, who as PTF boss, spent 75% of the money for roads - oil money from the Niger Delta - on the North?

Buhari was part of the 1966 counter coup - one of the worst things to happen to this country.

Stop deceiving yourself man. No such question could arise from any of the people aspiring for the presidency.

GEJ's anti-tribalistic attitude will provide a nice, convenient cover for Ijaw expansionism and power-grabbing.

apparently "Egun" is a Yoruba word meaning "bones"


http://www.unhcr.org/refworld/topic,463af2212,469f2ea82,3ae6ad6e7c,0.html



http://www.bioline.org.br/request?ep03009 (talks about the "Ogu" or Egun-speaking peoples and their family structure)

Is this Innoson as well known, outside of the internet, as people think it is? There's probably a reason they never even bothered about Innoson - they probably have no idea about the capabilities or limitations of the company.

Remember, this deal was for 550 buses (mass transit). How many buses did Innoson make for Enugu? 30. Whether Innoson was capable or not may not be the issue. Nobody knows whether they're capable. Same for Anammco. They need to promote themselves more/better, probably.

@ topic, I think that the most developed of those languages should indeed be reintroduced in their respective countries.

The JTF operation in the Niger Delta to fish out militants hiding among civilians involved heavy force against civilians, did it not? Just asking.

[quote author=isale_gan2 link=topic=590933.msg7787589#msg7787589 date=1298488709]Wow!  And you're supposed to be a reeeeaaally smart person!  Tell me, all those "quality" posts of yours --- cut n paste, right?   

It's okay.  You can tell me; it's just the two of us here.  [/quote]lol.


Why are you always so provocative?


I mean I don't understand how 30+ odd pages of tangents and digressions come about and how it's still going with just a small clique of devotees. Bizarre.

Yoruba cosmology divination symbols:

http://books.google.com/books?id=YLBdDqZj4L0C&pg=PA41&lpg=PA41&dq=olokun+symbols&source=bl&ots=4chrO9Fvcw&sig=NTdDNzMUBwLdUbq8CVKgnPgUR9M&hl=en&ei=h09lTaT1JMiltwfw-bDPBg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=3&ved=0CBwQ6AEwAjgK#v=onepage&q=olokun%20symbols&f=false

fstranger3:
I really dont see what the hullabaloo is really.

There is more to education than nice and well decorated buildings. Once we look past trivial issues like that, more important things come to the fore. I am more interested in the quality of the teachers than the buildings that make up a school. You can go to the most attractive and best built schools and still amount to nothing. We know, thanks to WAEC, that the best schools in Nigeria over the past decade arent the Sulejas of the World nor the Olashores of this World. As a matter of fact, expensive and well funded schools in most cases lag behind dilapidated state schools, going by WAEC results. It is on record that the highest achieving schools in Nigeria are the little known schools like Oritamefa in Ibadan, Ilesha grammer school, Christ school in Onitsha etc. It is not the building that is going to impact the knowledge into the kids, the teachers do and more than that their fellow students.

All in all, what is more important than education are Knowledge and character, and these two, fortunately, can be taught anywhere, with or without eye catching buildings, including often derided places like Animal farms. As long as there are teachers there ready to teach and shape the character of those kids, I care not what the school buildings look like, very trivial IMHO.

You can't be serious.

It's a refuse dump.

Do good teachers take up positions at refuse dumps?

"UDBN PLC, established by decree No. 51 of 1992 of the Federal Republic of Nigeria to foster rapid development of urban infrastructure throughout the federation through the provision of finance and banking services, was incorporated as a Public Liability Company in 1993.

UDBN PLC is a bank with majority shares privately owned, a publicly chartered financial service enterprise, with unique function to enhance the flow of credit to infrastructure sector at competitive rates. For more information,"



http://www.udbng.com/aboutUs.php



So UDBN, TUC, and NLC are not under the federal government's watch and people are complaining? They can buy buses from whoever they want.

This isn't really writing, but it's tangentially related to the topic as it is evidence of written abstraction to represent concepts by Africans:

Olokun symbols:

http://olokunwaters..com/

http://olokunwaters..com/2010/07/benin-olokun-symbolism-and-cognitive.html



http://www.jstor.org/stable/3336778 (for those that can access jstor)


http://www.jstor.org/stable/1145858?&Search=yes&searchText=symbols&searchText=olokun&list=hide&searchUri=%2Faction%2FdoBasicSearch%3FQuery%3Dolokun%2Bsymbols%26acc%3Don%26wc%3Don&prevSearch=&item=3&ttl=102&returnArticleService=showFullText

http://www.jstor.org/stable/3336414?&Search=yes&searchText=symbols&searchText=olokun&list=hide&searchUri=%2Faction%2FdoBasicSearch%3FQuery%3Dolokun%2Bsymbols%26acc%3Don%26wc%3Don&prevSearch=&item=4&ttl=102&returnArticleService=showFullText

http://www.jstor.org/stable/3336778?&Search=yes&searchText=symbols&searchText=olokun&list=hide&searchUri=%2Faction%2FdoBasicSearch%3FQuery%3Dolokun%2Bsymbols%26acc%3Don%26wc%3Don&prevSearch=&item=2&ttl=102&returnArticleService=showFullText

http://img341.imageshack.us/i/olokunsymbols1.png/

Nonsense.


Nigeria cannot be giving out welfare.


Tell these people to take menial jobs, or become small time traders and build up from there.